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@c.l.zanfir9868

Жыл бұрын

Quick question for you. Do you think ESO should move to a 3 morph system over the current 2 morph system.

@lothwitchviewing3776

Жыл бұрын

Lol the scam links are back

@R_o_o_k_i_n_g_t_o_n

Жыл бұрын

You know from my perspective, I'm actually playing a Healer build who has essentially my back bar purely dedicated to healing and my front part even has a good bit of Life steal on it too and the thing is I use Blood for Blood and simmering Frenzy which you'd think would be a pretty bad choice but because I'm the group healer and my sets are dedicated to Resource Management and I'm playing a dark elf which means the flame weakness isn't such a weakness and I also get bonus Magicka, it actually turns out pretty well since I'm keeping myself and my allies alive and on top of that because of the vampire abilities, I'm actually able to do a good amount of damage to help out the team too even if it does add the extra risk that I might get blown away because I'm being Reckless and literally spending my health to give myself damage bonuses and do damage in general.

Since the vampire is intended to be played differently than a werewolf, it needs to be built differently. To that end, I think it needs three different skill tress. One for magika base, one stamina base, and one health base. I have only seen werewolves played or depicted a handful of ways, but vampires are varied. So build them to enhance a players character, within in reason, and allow players to take on multiple playstyles. Currently, they are more trouble than they are worth.

@sunnyd9321

Жыл бұрын

I play vampire for both sneaking gameplay and tanking. Undeath is a crazy strong passive and Blood Scion is like Bone Goliath lite. Furthermore, when I’m not tanking and I’m doing DPS, I like to pickpocket and DB radiant quests, so the fast sneak helps tremendously.

@anniedarkhorse6791

Жыл бұрын

The skills are all there but they're so nerfed that the builds are unusable against high damage foes. The idea that you get nerfed more for each Vamp level is utterly stupid and annoying.

@thuledragon6663

Жыл бұрын

Would be epic if vampire lord offered a flying to the air type of ability because it is pretty weird being stuck to the ground when you have wings.

@anniedarkhorse6791

Жыл бұрын

@@thuledragon6663 There's definitely more potential with Vamps. We shouldn't be treated like an underclass. We're cool.

I have fully embraced the Dark Gift on my characters, always play on stage 3 and 4 with Vampire focused builds.

@gamergeek7482

Жыл бұрын

My main is just a stage one vampire. Lol. They are aesthetically more attractive imo. :p

Mesmorize is an rp skill it allows you to talk to vendors while in stage 4 status.. Normally they won't talk to you

@samdagreat6301

Жыл бұрын

Wait really? Need to try this now. I had no clue that was a thing

I've personally contemplated the Perfect Scion morph making you stage 5 so long as you have it slotted. I feel like that could be a good change.

@brianherrera1390

Жыл бұрын

thats a nice change my man

@JR1234567gamer

Жыл бұрын

I actually really like that change!

@patrickrocheleau8185

Жыл бұрын

Too strong, stage 5 negates the downside of being a vampire, maybe if say using the ulti keeps the stage 5 effect for 1 second per 3 ultimate spent after the ulti wears off

@sunnyd9321

Жыл бұрын

Werewolf being slotted increases your stamina recovery by 15%, so why not have Perfect Scion increase your magic recovery?

@lordbeherit6953

Жыл бұрын

@@sunnyd9321 That's a good idea

Literally bought this game at release and have been playing it off an on since. I can sum up my entire eso experience with "man this COULD be cool if only..." Thats literally the entire game. Just take vampire health recovery for example.. Shouldn't, logically, vampires GAIN health recovery.. aren't they supposed to be immortal beings able to recover almost instantly from wounds? Nononono ZOS thinks every single thing in the game needs to have a negative effect somehow. I'm getting tired of kiss-curse balancing.

@trickyfoxx6941

Жыл бұрын

Lol problem with eso is it lacks the main thing that always made elder scroll games worth playing and that player mods lmao Bethesda has always been crap at vampires and bugs and bugs lmao

@williamforsythe5850

Жыл бұрын

@@trickyfoxx6941 That's no joke. Everything since 2008 bethesda has relied on the community to fix and make their games fun. No different with ZOS except they don't have gameplay altering mods. We are stuck with whatever idiotic slapjaw idea pops into their mind at the time. Hence why we end up with the bipolar kind of patching they do. IF ONLY... potential is 10,000, actual gameplay is a 4.

@brandonm7913

Жыл бұрын

..And logically, you would only be able to play at night or in the shadows during the day. And probably couldn't harvest garlic for provisioning either.

@makeytgreatagain6256

Жыл бұрын

@@brandonm7913 no you can play in the daylight as a vampire in elder scrolls you’re just weaker. This as he translated to no health recovery in morning, less stamina and magica pool by 30% and wpn dmg down by 300 in the day.

@anniedarkhorse6791

Жыл бұрын

I agree. Nothing but de-buffs. It's pretty much impossible to play at Vamp level 4. You almost kill yourself jumping off the Solitude wall and don't recover. Ridiculous. There's no point having something if it's unplayable. I still have a lot of Vamps because I don't do PVP but it's still a trade-down and a punishment to be one. They need to add buffs, FFS.

I think it would be cool if mesmerize worked like an actual charm rather than a stun. Causing enemies to attack each other would be unique and would make the requirement of them looking in your direction more worth it.

@Valeryu_Minka

Жыл бұрын

That would be amazing! You hit them with it and the damage of their next attack/ability is deflected to an ally in the area instead of you. Even if it was a really high-cost skill. Just imagine the damage and chaos it would cause to those toxic ball-zerg groups in cyro.

@faverdod5773

Жыл бұрын

Fully agree - Back in the day EverQuest had an enchanter class and you could charm mobs as your pet and it was game changing! Sure if Charm broke/wore off it was almost certain death for the enchanter, but this would be a good improvement for the class. Maybe ESO just can’t figure out how to code this?

@LyranVega

Жыл бұрын

Fax

@xenodragon2135

Жыл бұрын

would leave i useless in pvp though

@VeganAncientDragonKnight

Жыл бұрын

​@@xenodragon2135not necessarily, pvp can have friendly fire enable with this skill instead, or just stun them whatever.

Here are the things i want for vampires in ESO. 1: Better incentives to go Vampire stage 4. 2: Decrease the debuffs of Vampire stages buy a lot. 3: Give cooler looking lore based skills. Example: Bat swarm dash. Or super speed. 4: Tweak the Vampire skill line to work a lot better with builds. 5: More roleplay opportunitys like dialogue options for Vampires. 6: Ability to transform at will for vampires. Maybe as a polymorph or something. 7: A Vampire themed personality. 8: Skill morphs for Mag and Stam. 9: Ability to create thralls. 10: Give more reasons to go Vampire in general.

@Mabra51

Жыл бұрын

And bring back mist form's damage reduction.

@InfiniteDarkness7756

Жыл бұрын

@@Mabra51 Agreed.

Yes, just made my first vamp character a week ago or so when someone offered the bite...immediately recognized EXACTLY what you are sharing in this video, how most of the mechanics are other than what is generally useful in much/most of the content available.

@greywind5745

Жыл бұрын

Maybe it was me ;) EU server, the rift?

The most fun vampire build i've ever made recently for this patch is my "Blood Knight" build. Breton nightblade tank - 64 hp points, all max magicka enchants and either spell damage or magicka recovery on the jewelry. Run swarming scion ultimate, double ice staves with dark convergence for grouping mobs in dungeons, crimson for survivability and bloodspawn for quick ulti gain. Such a fun build

@scriptures7025

Жыл бұрын

This sounds awesome, I really want to make vampire work and I’m struggling

All the work all the effort all the programming all the decision making that went into designing the vampire class for ESO. And the only thing it's good for is 2 passives in PvP. Undead passive stage 3 and the extra weapon and spell damage when coming out of sneak at stage 2. Vampire needs a complete breakdown and rebuild.

@havuseenmymonkey6663

Жыл бұрын

Yup I have same gripes

The whole "The Vampire has to be squishy" approach kills the Vampire Fantasy for me. Taking a hit from a world boss that almost costs you 50% of your health, the first thing a player is going to do is bring his health back to full so he do not die on the next hit. You can have a good time with a sneaky vampire build against normal foes but thats it for me. All the skills look cool and i would love to play a powerfull Vampire Necromancer. But every Vampire Skill i add, makes the Necromancer weaker and thats not fun to me. The Stun skill is cool and powerfull and it works as intendet but for all the negativ weakening things you have to live with as a level 4 Vampire it is barely worth it.

@anniedarkhorse6791

Жыл бұрын

Agree. The whole point of Vamps is that it's an evil Super-power.

Thank you so much for giving attention to the horrible mess the current vampire skill is in. You have great ideas; I hope ZOS is watching 🦇

@lycanthropegaming3432

Жыл бұрын

It's because they aren't true vampires lol jk

@ms.mcmillan

Жыл бұрын

@@lycanthropegaming3432 😉

I always figured that Vampire was supposed to allow for high- health-stat -based dps or solo builds, where the new gameplay angle was riding a low health percentage, with a variety of different builds based on how each class would handle the mitigation or self-healing required to ride and with the optional crutch of the ult's full heal as being an escape if you started to slip.

Awesome, that clears up my questions on the matter.

thanks hack -- i've been a vampire stage 4 hybrid templar for a long time though i seldom use the vampire skill line skills. The sprint to invicibility stage 4 skill really helps in dungeon speed runs.

I say the vampire could be better by making it similar to other elder scrolls games. Here are some ideas: 1: a spell that absorbs health from the enemy where you recover a percent of your health 2: Summon a gargoyle. 3: A passive when it comes to PVE where you have an easy time with speech 4: an action where you turn into bats and dash. 5: a specific quest to unlock werewolf and vampire to make it easier to become one

@UnknownMann.

Жыл бұрын

You can see the npc vampires throughout the Western skyrim dlc turn into bats... but we can't

@trainedorphan9640

Жыл бұрын

It would be so cool to do the Sorc dash with bats as a Vamp. Have that dash work for all vamps. That would be so cool

@zdvxr

Жыл бұрын

There is a skill that absorbs health and heals yourself but it just isn’t good enough to use. When it comes to the bat dash, you can dash and become invisible but sadly no bats..

@Jacob-eg3kv

Жыл бұрын

#5 made me giggle. You can't get any easier than standing at the shrine and waiting 3 minutes for someone to show up and share the love.

@anniedarkhorse6791

Жыл бұрын

Vamps already have a health-sucking skill. I use it all the time.

I made a Coldharbour Themed character by making a Vampire Sorcerer. I personally feel the two complement each other. Vampire provides good self buffs, damage and add control, while Sorcerer skills fill in the gaps. I tried to make a "Blood Mage" with Nightblade, and found that it works as well, though, in my opinion, not as effective. Just my opinion, don't stab me through the heart for it 😅 I do wish that they made better Vamp Stam morphs...

@winter_ghosth

Жыл бұрын

i also have a blood mage and i share your opnion

@gamergeek7482

Жыл бұрын

I have a vampire sorcerer but I never associated her with cold harbour. But the heals from critical surge does fill in the gaps for sure. And the pet heals too. I just wish there was a HoT but can’t have it all.

I think vampire is still viable in pve, I just had to tweak my build to remove mist form. I'm currently running a vampire stamblade and believe it or not wall of elements works well with mesmerize. I use that while tanking and have refreshing path on that bar as well, front bar I'm dual wielding and using inner beast to taunt. It's effective and I basically never die thanks to self Heals. Still in the works, looking for good aoe debuff. Haven't got caltrops yet

TY Hack, this is a really good deep dive on VAMPS! Remember when SORCS got a 3rd skill bar for their ultimate, OVERLOAD? I kind of miss that for SORC. WW transform ulti is great with its 3rd bar.. I think VAMP might be more immersive fun with a 3rd bar style VAMP ultimate build setup . I find the way VAMPworks now is broken, imho, tooo many ppl just use it for Undead passive. I prefer that it would have 3rd bar from ULTI only so it goes back to a full immersion 3rd bar ULTI-based niche playstyle. This way it is now is a pain in the ass, imo.

Stamblade and Stamcro can do great things with vampire! Stamblade stage 4: Stygians + imperial race + Ring of the wild hunt. Stamcro stage 3: orc race, gaze of sithis. Those are the minimal things I keep the same with those two builds. They go much deeper though.

In pve i use a bow/2h necro with the sefish morph of vigor and, my guardian to keep up seethe. I haven't taken her to vet yet but, this combination lets me walk through most content.

I feel like the other morph of Vampiric Drain (Drain Vigor) should be changed to the Drain Life spell from Skyrim. The raged spell from being a Vampire Lord, have it up to heal based on missing health, the damage, no longer change and becomes raged.

mesmerize is pretty decent if you ask me. i am using the hypnosis morph on my templar tank since they don't have a class stun. with the tormentor set i can taunt multiple enemies if i also use explosive charge and they will automatically face my direction immediately.

Mesmerize(not morphed) works on merchants if you are a lv4 vampire, normaly they wont talk to you

I use blood frenzy with 5 heavy armor, 1 medium and 1 light. Use food to stay at stage 1 Vamp and have enough passive healing from health recovery that I can keep it going at all times for the max bonus damage. Great for solo content imo.

General rule of thumb for me is: werewolf for stamina classes and vampire for magicka classes. The one change I would make is to make the two skill lines more similar. Like, make it so we can upkeep the vampire ultimate like werewolves can. And make it so we can use werewolf skills while not transformed.

you forgot to mention something about mesmerize/stupefy: it can be used to charm the npc's into talking to you as a stage 4 vampire if you want not to drop a vamp-stage to do that. The other morph, hypnosis, it nullifies this effect. As far as i am concerned it is the only use for that skill (but it does not work on pack-masters for some reason)

My biggest issue is how they nerfed frenzy, especially the morph that increased the damage, before it would grant damage buff of 350 or so with an increase the longer your in it with no cap, making it worth using for major fights. now it feels lackluster

The nerfs have absolutely destroyed any progress they had made to repairing vampires after Greymoor….that being said I’m still playing vampire on my sorc and necro. Working on a good one bar load out for my necro vampire…was running diamonds but can’t get the proc with my skill bar set up but still fun

Should be able to transform anytime just not the level of the ultimate. The only penalty should be to the vampire skill line. I agree with you about the health thing. If anything there should be more health and stamina the higher your level 1, 2, 3, 4 and the higher your magicka the lower your level 4, 3, 2, 1. Vampires are undead after all.

My main is vamp and a healer so the not being healed by others is never a issue either a rework of tge skills would be great... Would love to see a unique heal be worked into the line

I love mesmerize!! Use some kinda rush attack.. distance closer. Everyone turns to face you..then use. On my night blade I then use a group siphon...all dead before expires. Best skill of all in my opinion. That and running invisible. Have 4 vamps for those 2 reasons. Worth it

What if blood mist was a health for magicka cost? Especially at stage 4 I think using the blood most to recoup health would be cool.

As it is now i would like to see a rework and some vampire themed sets. that being said i can sorta see a melee build working if there was a melee skill line. A shadowy sneaky claw boi

vampires in movies, shows and books have great health recovery, healing or not taking damage from most anything, super fast, super strong. Kind of what they did with werewolf. So why go in the complete opposite direction? Just don't make them if you can't do it right. It should be as fun to play as Werewolf is even if you want it for different playstyles and lets face it, most people probably would want to play them the same as playing a werewolf. I still see people asking for bites, but as far as I've heard it's just for the stealth stuff you can have at stage1.

@skulpturostone4621

Жыл бұрын

That is for pvp. Undeath.

@JohnDoe-fb8bz

Жыл бұрын

I always found it baffling that Health Recovery is nerfed for Vampires in ESO. Then again thou. At least we don't insta die to sunlight either lol. So I don't know.

@havuseenmymonkey6663

Жыл бұрын

All I know is werewolves useful Vampires not so much

Something I think would be really cool, would be if once you transformed, you get an even more powerful variant of your vampire skills. Like a better drain, maybe it’s a cone AOE? Or just drains more or more resources. Mesmerize? Maybe the headache has even more range. Maybe it does some damage too to those effected. Mist form? Maybe you’re even faster and have bat swarms around you to damage enemies. The blood buff, maybe it grants even more? Though that might be a little too OP. And eviscerate, maybe it heals you a little or does poison damage like the poison claws in Skyrim? These would make vampire lord extremely loved and feared across Tamriel, and a real joy to play. I think it would also incentivize people to make vampire hunters too, which would also be cool.

Does the huge jump in resources from the ultimate factor into the damage you do? Because if it does… that and Jesus beam on an executioner stage…

The health recovery thing would be a lot less annoying if companions would heal outside of combat. It really bugs me that they just stand there while you're on the brink of death. For the rest it feels like ZOS was very afraid to make the skill line overpowered. I could take all the downsides if you'd actually gain considerable power. But, it's a thin line between a useless skill line and an overpowered, mandatory skill line. Maybe a third "witch hunter" skill line that is mutually exclusive with vampire/werewolf and makes you better at fighting vampires, werewolf, daedra and undead could balance things out.

Vamp stage 4 should add 100 percent on vamp skills and add prices to the channel skills

I'm playing a stage 3 vamp nb and loving it

@llawlied6902

Жыл бұрын

What skills are you using with the NB? Only using the ulti and passives the rest just seems too weak

@kidneykid77

Жыл бұрын

@@llawlied6902 The passives are the main reason, she hits HARD out of stealth. The only vamp skill I use is Elusive Mist to get tf out of trouble. That, combined with the Undeath passive, helps with survivability a lot. EDIT: I should note I really only play BGs, rarely Cyrodil.

@llawlied6902

Жыл бұрын

@@kidneykid77 opposite for me I hate spending so much time with traveling when I wanna fight with players

Hi! I posted a video today on my channel of a 1 bar vampire build using all the vampire skills except the stun. Sets are Oakensoul, Vampire Lord, and war maiden. Pretty fun if you want to fully roleplay vampire. And it can solo world bosses.

How does vamp work with the Pale Order ring? I'd have thought that would totally mitigate the downsides to the health recovery.

What class benefits the most from what vampire offers?

I run vampire lord and orders wrath, stage 4 vamp with shape shifters chain and potentates set. 140ult cost with good enough damage for vet content, put that on a nightblade or necro and gg ult gen spam. It just really struggles in solo content.

i would love to use a vampire build, but it's just not effective enough. i agree with everything you said.

Ok so for my main I've kept as a stage 4 vampire for the majority of the time I've been playing and at some stage of vamp for even longer. I might've even done it as soon as I made it out of the deadlands the first time and since then I've tried multiple build types to try to mesh along with this aspect I'm determined to keep. However the thing that keeps me stage 4 is the auto vanish after 3 seconds of sprint. That is my favorite skill over any over I've experienced with my main or my 4 other toons.

PVP tends to be full of vampires, nearly all night blades are vampires, it does make being a DK extra fun.

I'm currently working on a necro tank with lots of health. The idea is when someone brings me down to low health when I have like 50k and around 80k when in the bone ultimate form. I'd be dealing a shit tone of damage with the first vamp ability, and drain could restore a lot of my health, in addition to the support and tank abilities from the necromancer skill lines. would make it pretty hard to kill me

Is the stage 5 only when you use the skill or after you morph it you get all the benefits still without using it or having it slotted ????

@Neoqpa

Жыл бұрын

Only when you use the skill. So, unfortunately, only while the ulti lasts.

Both my vamp builds, a necro and a sword/ board tank, made great use of mist form's damage reduction. They used blood mist and elusive mist respectively. My Necro used it as a consistent part of the rotation to heal and stack it as another aoe. It was a super fun solo build. Not any more. My tank used it as the "o shit" button and it was a great way to escape boss aoe and big hits you knew were coming. It was the only vamp skill that never left the bar and the only one that had any practical use. Now, both my builds are trashed and basically just use standard abilities that cost a bit more for nothing. There's no practical reason to be a vamp.

It not only needs a full rework, but also needs to have a Vampire Lord class once and for all.

I actually like the vamp for RP purposes, unfortunately the dev's disregard pretty much all RP especially when the enemy (mainly NPC's) can shoot you with just about anything through everything

I tried making Serana from Skyrim but I'm not sure if she's a Magcro or Stamcro?

Mesmerize should be a a ranged interrupt of some type and morph for an wider aoe for tanks to cc ads

One cool way to compensate for non-vampire skill cost increase would be to reverse it at night. Daytime non-vampire skills cost more at night time they cost less.

I still believe the health regen is completely opposite of what vampires do. The DR with missing health is good but health regen should not have been removed. I can handle some of the other weaknesses but removing health regen for a vampire was dumb. Vampire's regenerate easily in the lore of ESO and other fantasy settings.

I liked the old tree better, such as the drain ability stunning the enemy at the end. It was cheesy in low lvl PVP because people didn't even know/bother about interrupting you not to get stunned but at least in high lvl PVP it put more stamina pressure on people with a way to catch runners.

Scion should be a transformation that you can sustain with vampdrain so it is more useful then it currently is as is. It is underutilized as more of a near death comeback because of the 100% heal if we could sustain the transformation it can have more

Vampire need BAT form for traveling or BAT ability that can fly sort amount of time like 10 seconds and then ability go to cool down for half minute or full minute. Something like Psijic Order -undo ability not similar effect but useful tool ability in some situation in open world map to not go all around map to get some citys like in Reaper March map or so.

I just use the vampire S4 to get Unnatural Movement to get around solo, and the occasional feed instakill at range. Don't even use the vamp skills. I'm not as effective in group content, but I rarely do much group content anyway.,

I use mesmerize on my templar pvp troll tank. A lot of times players come directly at me and I way to occupy them for as long as possible, have it be for distraction or giving my allies time to come in with a bomb.

@JohnDoe-fb8bz

Жыл бұрын

A Templar vampire eh? What kind of back story/head cannon did you come up with for your character?

As I see this as a werewolf player, Vampires should be able to play any build or playstyle without being too punished, like you can be a werewolf and not use it at all or not build arround it, right now being a vampire requires you to build specificly for it (im not saying you shouldnt get punished otherwise every1 would be a vamprie). Im just saying people should be able to be a vampire and still be able to play the game just with a little difference to the rest. 4 example when you are at stage 4, you cannot talk to npc in cities, why not adding vampires hideout in all the cities, so they can do their stuff, that would be cool

Still glad they changed vampire I love the 300 weapon dmg, the ulti and the cloak sprint for my NB

Ultimately this goes back to the days and it's still kind of true today. Zos favors stamina they always have. It used to be all stamina morphs were usually stronger had better buffs before hybridization. Even now most stamina abilities are better and give better buffs biting jabs for one stronger more buffs than the magic morph. D-swing or snipe compared to impulse don't get me started. All in all stamina is better and if there is a magic ability that's better than stamina well now with hybridization you can use it to. So why be magicka-based. Other than a healer I guess.

After I resigned my fate to being a solo vampire, I picked up the Ring of the Pale Order, and the overall gameplay became much more enjoyable and felt more "vampiric". It is unfortunate that to make vampires feel vampiric we need outside sources (locked behind an additional paywall, no less), so adding a Pale Order-like effect to the Vampire skill line would be a big improvement, I think. The forums used to be brimming with suggestions for additions and improvements, but alas it appears even the most die-hard users have given up on vampires at this point.

I got a vampire ( Dark elf/ knight ) can someone help me ? I’m new on the game

I feel like the vampire needs buffs or reworks as well. Maybe the ring of the pale order would help it because you heal yourself as you damage and night blade siphoning but idk.

You know you can't get healed by others just so you have access to skills where you need to have lower HP right? You yourself said that it's very hard not to get healed so that's why you can't get healed while using that... Otherwise a healer would just shut you down? I haven't played vampire myself, the benefits aren't there to being one but it's still very obvious to me why things are the way they are, they wouldn't need small skill changes the whole thing would need to be reworked, hopefully they do but not holding my breath

@AvengingN00b

Жыл бұрын

The missing health gameplay component in those skills is so useless in any group setting, you'll get healed by the breaker no matter what, as they usually put their heal on the floor, and they're not gonna stop doing that just because they have the RP vampire in their group, the whole thing really needs a rework

I have been vampire stage 4 for about 2 years in a row

I actually don't get the health penalty at all. Shouldn't a vampire which traditionally had great regeneration have an increased health recovery?

I mean I am a vamp night blade healer >~> maybe I need to lean into these vamp ability and some mythics finally and see if I can pump some crazy dps and heals

The last thing you said - Vampire abilities become more Powerfull as your vampire stage increases would be a cool way to make Vampires more interesting. You get punished for being less "human" but you become a stronger vampire. More Healing and i mean musch more healing and damage with the leech abiliity and maybe your spammable also heals you back. Other classes have their spammables healing them so why did the devs think that such a weak Vampire the best to fit the theme?

In relation to the health recovery and the can't be healed stuff. I personally think they should drop the skill cost reduction for non-vamp skills, reverse the health recovery and add in to the passives a penalty to being healed instead. I mean one of the most common vampire things is they regenerate wounds so why the shit does it do the opposite of that? I think the being adverse to healing effects (that aren't vampire skill line) would make sense, or just being healed by others like the rage skill vamps have. Beyond that I just wish the ultimate was more like Vampire Lords in Skyrim, but then I also want Werebear skill line (with some options for tanking). So I kinda feel like the whole vampire lord-ish transformation we have now should of just been a second skill line on top of revamping this one. Or make the transformation like, not an ultimate. Like just a normal skill and when you transform it alters/improves the vampire existing skills. Could have caster/melee oriented version of the skills (Vampire lord in skyrim literally had melee vs spellcasting when floating). Then again I also would love a shapeshifter like class where it's not just ultimates doing that. Completely unrelated to vampires of course. Seriously though Werebears.

I dump my 40k mana bar with Simmering Frenzy on, then I press Dark Exchange and health and mana come right back.

I agree, the vampire needs an almost complete redo, but I believe that until they can separate pvp and pve I don't believe they will. Most vamp are used by pvp nightblades or others to mitigate damage. also why does on the ww can stay for days on their transformation ultimate but vampires can't? this always leaves me thinking that vampires are hated by zos and now microsoft 😕

Assuming they didn't buff vampires within the four months this video came out, my purposed changes are: During the day, health gain from players reduced by 50% and during the night, auto health Regen + player health gain +50% (Could also have a thing like in Path of Exiles [I believe] where healing hurts you and poison heals you if you really wanted to make vampires seem different from humans but that to me would probably be very hard to balance and get right in this game so just the top portion really) During the day your stamina recovers slower but during the night you have unlimited stamina and sprinting for three seconds turns you into a swarm of bats that makes you faster than anything else in the game aside from werewolves sprinting on all fours (I feel they'd be about the same.) And finally, for the ultimate, the bottom tree turns you into a vampire lord more akin to a werewolf/necromancer hybrid where you go berserk and slash at everything but can also summon creatures to help you fight. Or, you turn into a boss monster yourself. This can be a pve only thing where you turn into a giant bat demon that does a chunk of damage for a couple of seconds. Think the colossus titan from Attack on Titan. Stage 5 is just a normal stage, but it's a passive if you have the bottom tree of your ultimate equipped. Please note; I haven't played the game in a long time so I'm just going based off the video and making some various ideas based on that. If any of this sounds too broken then by all means someone can chalk that up as a bad idea but I think these would make the class a bit more fun and not just "werewolves but worse" kind of thing!

Also wish they would’ve kept the old vampire skills separate from the new vampire lord. Maybe they could compliment each other and throw a quest line in or something to unlock the vampire lord skills.

Vet Malestorm was a pain with my vampire.

*Here is my idea:* Increase the ramping stuff on low HP to something crazy so that vampires become really scary during the ideally short time they are at mid-low HP until they fall to boss AoE or execution spam. *Reason:* The new vampire tree is all about tanky/hp builds IMO. %hp-scaling abilities, ramping dmg and dmg resistance for lower health and lower resource requirements to DPS. The problem is it's just not effective enough. With things becoming more effective only with lower health it kind of turns you into a weaker DPS build that needs to lose HP before dealing any dmg at all. In tough PVE content that doesn't work in part because you don't get healed and in PVP it's bad because you are constantly in, or near, execution HP range.

Cannot imagine playing vamp without Hexos Ward set , 2H wpn with Shielding enchant , CP that increases shield strength and Ring of the Pale Order

honestly I think the Devs would of been happier if they could had just made a new class instead with vamp, like it's actively designed with you solely using it's powers in mind (and for some reason punish you for not doing it)

Can you do a templar vampire build?

I definitely agree maybe make it to where stage 4 you only receive 75% health recovery and when you're using abilities you only receive 50% of the healing that's definitely a good idea also they just need to rework or remove the vampire CC move it's just a worse CC than everything else like if you don't have a good CC you go get time bubble

Great video. Thanks for breaking it down. The answer is 'no', IMO but I have a few anyway because they are so cool and so much fun to roll play. Vampires are ripped off badly, in this game. Nothing but de-buffs, over-all. It's really unfair and not competitive at all, which is sad. I get the impression that it sucks to be a Werewolf too because very few people use that skill line. I hope they fix this because I'm sick of being punished for playing this role. As you said, the no healing for Vamp Stage 4 is utterly ridiculous and not fun at all.

Yes and no. If you are tank - no. If you are dps - yes but with good self healing. For example i have vampire templar dps. To overcome "increased Regular Ability cost" i use Breton(Reduces the Magicka cost of your abilities by 7%) and Perfected False God's Devotion(Reduces the cost of your Magicka abilities by 8%). Stage 4 - i run it when i play solo. Running in mist in public dungeon from boss to boss is fun and no time waste on trash mobs. Stage 3 - when i play in group to reduce "increased Regular Ability cost" and for "Reduces your damage taken by up to 30% based on your missing Health".

For me, personally, the vampire update was a MAJOR disappointment. More so, it didn't even make sense based on the canon, the existing vampire npcs in game, or the videos they were using to promote it. If anything, they should be BOOSTING the health regen to insane amounts but removing the ability to be healed by others or potions. While i *like* the idea of Scion, i don't like it for myself. THAT should be like the Werewolves 'Pack Leader' Morph, but as a perk point. You only transform if you spend that point. I miss my bat swarm but hate that i would have to transform to use it. The feeding was a huge issue as well, as it did literally nothing except add a vampire level. Feeding should heal you, as well as give you buffs, more so, if you're not healed by potions or others. Also, weird issue but I rarely get the cool animations and it seems to be 90% that weird ranged legacy of kain feeding or the creepy hand licking at 5%, with the cooler animations being the last 5%. I clearly have a LOT of gripes on this one, but i really feel like they did a massive diservice to the players on this.

@bigblueperc

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bat swarm and the OG mist form was the only reason i even liked vampire

@kewlnewt

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Khajiits lick more while my dark elf gets the cooler animation more if I distance it properly

Did they nerf it again?

This should be like werewolf, make the ultimate an actual transformation then have a separate bar with vamp abilities, or at the very least let you regain ultimate while on it

Most of my builds used to be vamp. Mostly for Mistform and the speed focused morph of it. That got nerfed hard too and so I now don't have a single vamp. Elusive Mist honestly isn't even fast enough to get out of tight spots in PvP. No use in PvE either per the damage mitigation nerf.

@havuseenmymonkey6663

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I use mist form to get through the door of the keep to get pass the cc that gets dropped there and then I go to the side or all the way in most of the time they don't see me

Blood for Blood should be changed. Instead of cannot be healed by teammates. Add a stamina cost on top of the health cost to make it viable for group contents. Cannot be healed nerfs your dps so hard with sets like SPC

Catch myself at thinking, that old vampires where better.)

The end of the vampire meta was the best balance move ZOS ever made. Now only role players are vamps.

I hope to god that ESO is watching this and looking for ways to improve this class. You've really highlighted them well. My thoughts are more than the skills - I think the quest like is blah. It's far too short and it would be better to have the quest line work throughout all the stages of the vampire. As for the stages - I'm fine with Stage 1 and the extra fire damage. This goes along with normal vampire lore. Stage 2 - 25% reduction in health regen. Really? They're "immortal" so this is nuts and I agree that vampires have no real heal aside from Drain Vigor but this takes 3 seconds and in PVP, you're already dead if you're relying on this. Stage 3 is just awful - 50% reduction in health regen (see my comment above on health regen). Stage 4 is just impossible. I really don't know what they're thinking. I also feel that Dark Stalker is only half-working. Vampires are creatures of the night, so they should consume zero stamina when sneaking and should have an increased ability to sense/see stealthed targets. There's no way that a Gankblade should be able to sneak up on a vampire. I'm sorry, just no way. The Undeath passive seems to work against the penalties you get but it's hardly worth it as you need to be at stage 3. So with this passive, you're reducing your damage taken, but your regen is 50% of normal. Compared to warewolves that I see solo the PVP bosses in IC - it clearly show the vamp is broken.

i only take vampire for the passives, old vampire skill line that was just a bunch of passives was better than this I think.

I feel like for the ultimates if they were to put to % based damage boost it’d be work it.. also make it similar to overload. How sorcs and turn it on and off. Honestly I wish all transformation ults worked like that. The drawback being no ult regen while in the form

@keto-rl2ce

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💯 this ⬆

I was looking to set up a vampire, but looking at this video, i think not.

Dark Exchange fixes the health recovery issue.

To me it really doesn't make any sense the way they scale the vamp stages and health. Vampires should become more powerful when at full health/level 4 imo. As we see from Fennorian in the main quest, if he doesn't drink from his flask, he gets weaker, in that sense, if you're a vamp but don't feed regularly or reach below 50% health, then you should have all the downsides. This way it would be more logical and much more interesting to become a vamp and enjoy the playstyle it offers, seeing real benefits from advancing stages while also feeling the need to keep feeding/healing yourself to avoid low health drawbacks.

As a vampire at stage 4 merchants won't deal with you but mesmerize would make them friendly. Nerfing blood mist killed vampire for me. 😔