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@glidercoach

9 ай бұрын

Lots of comments are nuked on your channel. Up to 75%. So much for debate.

@Pay-It_Forward

6 ай бұрын

Climate change has much to do with deforestation as CO2 production. Bare land absorbs far sunlight energy & no CO2. Fire frequency & size has more to do with a 95% loss in beaver habitate than CO2 levels. 95% of Northern California water gets discharged to the Ocean, yet San Diego which gets less rain & is hotter, has plenty of water & less fires. It's about water retention! The mega-drought blamed on CO2 has been replaced with 2 years of flooding. Attempting to make direct correlation, conflating climate change with weather change will result in science becoming a dark terrorist mythology where people feel compelled to do evil to save earth.

@YxYzYx

2 ай бұрын

@@glidercoach that’s the climate cult for ya

I live in south Louisiana. 105 degree days sustained for months. High humidity, it's BRUTAL. I'm going to be a migrant at some point.

@person8064

9 ай бұрын

​@@sparkyfister climate=/=weather

But it not ever a win for the poorer nation as they lose their 'best and brightest' and those 'remittances ' never cover the cost education and lost productivity.

@ClimateAdam

9 ай бұрын

yeah what Sophia describes at the end is the best case scenario, but there are often serious tradeoffs and brain drain is a legit one!

@mikesmith2905

9 ай бұрын

Italy is currently experiencing that issue, due to mismanagement rather than climate but the result is the same.

@nexuscross3233

3 ай бұрын

​@@ClimateAdamBrain drain is a myth

One can say we shouldn't be using water to grow lettuce in Yuma, Arizona, but when iceberg lettuce costs $5 a head in March people will be blaming the President.

@ppetal1

9 ай бұрын

Easy. Don't buy lettuce in March. Don't grow it, don't sell it. Eat spinach. Want choice? Choose life.

@AmeriMutt76

9 ай бұрын

​@@ppetal1Near perfect answer. I choose Kale for being a better Calcium source, raw, but ymmv.

@leviahimsa

9 ай бұрын

Save 1,100 gallons of water EVERY DAY when you choose vegan. ✌️🐕

@michaeld4861

9 ай бұрын

I think the high priority issue is growing alfalfa (for animal feed) in the desert and especially allowing countries like Saudi Arabia to grow as much as they want and suck up as much water as they want until the Colorado river runs dry and all of the surrounding areas have to start importing water from the eastern US. That and companies like Nestle can just drain all our lakes and aquifers with no benefit to the people of the area and then be sold back their own water in plastic bottles at a 1,000x markup.

@DangerAmbrose

9 ай бұрын

​@@leviahimsaFarm animals pee all that water right back into the land. Try again.

I am not sure that depicting migration as positive because aging countries need it for labour is a good line. Degrowth means also accepting to reduce the population of aging countries instead of focusing of finding cheap labour to keep growing. The immense alienation of being an immigrant is also not considered here.

@Lilelfshelffer

9 ай бұрын

Not to mention these ‘benefits’ have always existed and are a driving force for migration right now, as it makes sense for individual situations. Climate change forces these needs on people and the concern is really about climate refugees where people are have no other choice.

@dudes1079

9 ай бұрын

Yes interesting. When the migrants get supposedly better jobs in the more developed countries (maybe better than what they were doing but often really not that great) and increase their income, they tend to have less children too. As more people Iive in the global north the population will naturally continue to decrease.

@jannetteberends8730

9 ай бұрын

It not about stopping the decline of the population, but smoothing it.

@grischa762

9 ай бұрын

Aging population and degrowth are 2 different things. Yes they are connected. But what is not connected to the "economy"? Degrowth can happen in different ways. For example by increasing the amount of "workforce" in "not productive" Labor. Like "taking care of the elderly", "nursing in general", "education", "science", "raising children". All these things do not increase the GDP but are absolutely vital. Another thing that will cause degrowth is the step by step implementation of circular economy. As things that can be repaired produce less revenue then constantly producing new stuff. But repair also needs labor even more then the current system where the labor is provided in Asia. Degrowth because of labor shortage is an option but not a desirable one by any means. Someone has got to install those solar panels, build the new grid and wipe the grammas asses!

@dudes1079

9 ай бұрын

Yes, thank you. Populations are naturally decling though as GDP rises and will hopefully lower footprints and lessen the impact of humans on earth, more land can be given for actual rewilding (not the pretend kind using farmed animals) but I think it's important to factor this in how a degrowth economic system could function with decreasing populations so that it does't become a problem. People are talking about incentives for women to have more children etc, this should not be necessary.@@grischa762

Right wingers: We want to stop immigration! Climate activists: Well, the most effective start would be to reduce greenhouse gases so that they don’t have to flee their homes… Rights winger: …Nah, I don’t really FEEL like it…

@grischa762

9 ай бұрын

This may seem like a contradiction but it is not. The right-winger stays true to himself. Illegal immigration is good for capitalism. Illegal migrants reduce labor cost for the illegal migrants already in the country and make them much easier to control (fire/hire/deport). Making harsher laws and building higher walls and reducing legal options for potential migrants all just increase the number of "illegal" entries. So the right winger gets 2 things. 1: cheap labor (more money) 2 : more votes from people that think he/she is as r* as them. They know what they do but they do it regardless because they profit from it now and the stand to profit from it even more. As the tension at the border wil inevitably increase because the situation will get gradually worse anti immigration sentiment will increase. The Dems are not much better though. Verbally yes but if actions speak more then words they are either not much better or even worse. Obama was much tougher on immigration then Trump for example.

@tonybloomfield5635

9 ай бұрын

Wow. Who knew the millions of illegals crossing the Southern border were climate refugees and not economic?

@glidercoach

9 ай бұрын

Importing millions of people from countries who have a small carbon footprint, to a country with a huge carbon footprint, creates an explosion of carbon use. Clearly it's not about the climate.

@glidercoach

9 ай бұрын

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@TheSandkastenverbot

9 ай бұрын

Right wingers: we want to stop immigration Left wingers: we have no right to acknowledge potential problems with immigration Right wingers: I don't care about fanatics and dictators who torture their people Left wingers: we have no right to stop fanatics and dictators from torturing people

The issue is not the displacement of humans, but that a lot of costly infrastructures those humans depend on will be left behind, lost to the sea, floods, fires, desertification, overly frequent wet bulb events ... and more indirectly wars.

My family and I migrated to a more northern US state (cool summers and snowey winters) after languishing in the southern heat for far too long. Best decision of my life. I didnt realize that there was immigration fearmongering using the very real effect of climate change. Everyone deserves to live in a safer environment. Thank you for such an imformaning and compassionate video.

for waaaay more about the reality of climate change and migration, check out Migration Matters' series, The Big Climate Movement: kzread.info/dash/bejne/hnyYvKtxXbPPeaQ.html

Immigration is almost always economically beneficial, especially in the UK with an ageing population and declining workforce. But I doubt that many people in the UK are aware that any of us could be forced to move by climate change during this century. That may include many of those currently living in flood risk areas, but there may also be unexpected consequences related to extreme weather events and changes in agricultural production, and factors of which we are currently unaware.

Excellent presentation which conveys the underlying horrors of our current climate catastrophe in a way that we should all be paying attention to. It is not climate change itself which is likely to spell the end of human civilisation, but indirectly the things that it increasingly makes more likely.

I kind of feel like the fire metaphor is not helping to get the point across, in an otherwise really strong video.

Unfortunately "climate justice" can take the form such as what is currently happening in Norway, where a group of Sami are actively demanding that a working wind farm be dismantled as it interferes with the reindeer herding activities of about six families. This would be devastating to Norway's efforts at decarbonization of the electricity sector. Greta Thunberg is supporting them in their efforts, by the way.

@zacappleton474

9 ай бұрын

“Devastating” really? I think only 2 of the 6 Fosen wind farms have been ruled illegal, and their lost generation is less than the Hywind Tampern wind farm’s capacity launched this year. I’m confident Norway can walk and chew gum at the same time.

@___.51

9 ай бұрын

Make way for progress, that’s the takeaway yeah? I’m afraid your town is in the floodplain for the new dam construction, leave immediately. We’re saving the world dontcha know.

Climate change refugees is already a thing. Main stream media does not talk about that yet. Here's the point I want to make. Plants can not move (quickly) and so if their climate changes out of the bounds of survival they will die. This is happening now. Coral reefs and boreal forests are 2 examples that will have major impacts on planetary health. We are in a bit of trouble if we lose too many plants. IE that's where we get our oxygen and food.

Even if a tenth of 1 billion people migrate out of their own countries that’s still more than happened in both world wars.

Concerning displacement sealevel rise saltwater intrusion precedes erosional effects. The Mississippi River slowdown forced pumping fron this, Florida uses Everglades water to where it can't draw more. In all cases it ruins the economic base of coastal residents globally. With the global flooding in many cities they must guide sheet runoff into lateral ditches or the floods repeat. Both not even on a doorscreen well below radar. 🙈

Hundreds of millions... that is, of those who survive the disaster. And among the survivors are those who have sufficient resources to endure and then maybe start to migrate. And of the migrants - how many can swim, can find water, food and have the capacity to migrate. How many can escape predators?

I think we have seen that not enough privilige won't be stopping people to move. people are willing to do anything to escape horrible conditions

Remember also that climate change is one real factor that makes people poorer. Heatwave that last decades (ie. In Colorado river basin, Equador, Spain, Africa, ...), causes droughts, no water for your crops, everything that you buy, specially food and water, costs more, even local factories are shutdown due to lack of water, there are no jobs in the area, ... And then comes the final blow as an extreme event like wildfire or flood. After your house is gone, your wealth most likely drops near zero. You have become poor because of climate change and now climate extreme may even take your and your family's life. In this situation your are really thinking leaving this place that you once called home. Those who have least ties to that place and are most capable (often young people) will likely become climate refugees. Some of these events would not have happened (like once in 1000 or 10000 years) without manmade climate change. And all of them are boosted with manmade climate change.

6:27 I think the solution to most problems is revisit the concept of reducing corporatization. I know we can’t get rid of them but do we want to keep duplicating The last Industrial Age? You know all that empty commercial real estate and dying towns? We need to fill those back up with family owned and operated businesses or co-ops! There’s a vegetable stand across the street “the Gallagher Farm” you go in the shed or pick from the priced lots in the yard and then just put your money in the cash box! The supply chain is like 100 ft 😂

The truth is there will be a mass exodus as war, famine and climate weather events push (mostly women and children) to other areas. The IPCC models are based on Antartica being a solid and constant mass of ice. This is now disputed due to warming oceans turning Antartica into something akin to ice-cubes with a faster melt time.

You are such a product of your generation, nothing you say would ever speak to anyone over 50

If there's a fire in my house, I should only fight it if it is safe to do so. Otherwise, call the fire brigade and wait in the street. I might need temporary accommodation while repairs are carried out. Sadly, climate displaced people won't always be able to go back and we have to have good information to prepare for that.

I feel like migration is often discussed as a yes / no debate while we should rather discuss how..

Can you please make a video addressing the ongoing sudden and dramatic increase in global average temperatures that began this past June? The vast majority of people with a university education have no idea of what PV=nRT means, to say nothing of dew point, relative humidity, absolute humidity, heat capacity, latent heat of condensation, latent heat of fusion or why the fact that 85% of the Earth’s land area is in the Northern Hemisphere indirectly drives the anual fluctuation in atmospheric CO2 concentrations. The vast majority of humanity does not have a university education. All this is to say that the percentage of humanity with even the most basic understanding of weather and climate is vanishingly small. For the vast majority of humanity, public discussion of global warming is simply chatter, just another component of the annoying background noise we all deal with and try our best to ignore. The imbalance between the (very) few who have some inkling of the seriousness of the situation and the oblivious majority is so vast that the concerted efforts of all those “in the know” would have a practical effect equivalent to pissing on a wildfire. Vast swathes of humanity insist in believing in a world ruled by a deity or deities, entities that can be influenced by religious practices. This has the practical effect of creating societies where priests (and politicians) are given free reign to make up “the rules”. The message of global warming is that it is ultimately nature, not humans, that rule(s) the planet. Even in the West, centuries after the Enlightenment, this idea is incomprehensible and anathema to most people. Nowhere in the world is there a shortage of fanatics who would rather die from the heat than abandon their belief system.

@artfuldodger5933

9 ай бұрын

The vast majority of the issue isn't that the vast majority of humanity is stupid, ignorant, or crazy; it's that certain people prefer to advance their personal interests instead of collective human security. Hope that isn't simply chatter to you.

@ghewins

9 ай бұрын

@@artfuldodger5933 I couldn’t disagree more. I agree that humanity is being exploited and lied to for the benefit of a tiny minority, but the reality is that lies are like fires. Both require an ignition source and fuel. In the case of a lie, the ignition source is the person telling the lie. The fuel is those who are willing, even anxious, to believe the lie. To be really “successful” at politics or religion, the practitioner has to be good at two things, namely discerning what lies people are anxious to hear and good at telling those lies. Cherished lies are essentially impervious to reality. Millions of Germans continued to believe in Hitler even as their cities were being bombed into rubble and their country overrun by hostile armies. Today people haul themselves out of the rubble of horrific natural disasters, look around at the death and devastation, and immediately begin to praise their god. If this doesn’t qualify as stupidity, ignorance, or craziness, I don’t know what does. Global warming is an existential threat. Most people don’t want to hear about existential threats. Therefore any aspiring demagogue, political or religious, willing to deny global warming is guaranteed a vast audience anxious to hear that lie. There appears to be no shortage of demagogues, aspiring or otherwise.

I would think that most migration is due to political instability which is directly responsible for infrastructure destruction, loss of food production especially in sub Sahara Africa. Drought especially at the horn of Africa, relatively rich in resources, with a potential of uplifting the communities is exploited by warlords and irresponsible chasing of profit margins. The weather, if you would research it, has been cyclical ever since we started to gather data. The accuracy and bulk has grown exponentially and as such cannot reflect with accuracy on past data sets but for general trends. There is the greening of arid areas worldwide which you do not even mention. Floods has always been a part of life on earth and by irresponsible occupation of areas that can and has flooded in the past and insufficient infrastructure development and maintenance and upgrading due to "cost" restraints have been responsible for many of the reported so-called earth warming scare mongering. Climatically the earth has been in a cyclical warming trend and it is in line with variables which is not understood or studied properly by the new climate scientists with, it seems basically, unlimited funding to find only scarry and negative influences which you are not seemingly willing to debate and publish proper scientific research. It has become over the last about seven decades a crusade that tolerate no opposing ideas or research. A very top down enforcement sponsored and abetted by governments and business conglomerates that seem to whish for a certain outcome beneficial for themselves and followers. I life in South Africa, now to old to be accepted overseas as a candidate for meaningful employment over a period of more than 5 years. The loss of skilled people here is catastrophic for the country at this stage due to crime, corruption, utter negative policies from a government that has totally lost the reality of what is actually happening around them. This is being kind to their ineptness. Climate change is a fact and reality of the earth's history and will always be. We might have an input that is anything but as disastrous as predicted by the new crop of a very "new" science field by scientists that has no or very little credibility even amongst their own more experienced colleges. To me you just do not come across as credible but is kowtowing to an uninformed and easily influenced group of fairly young people relatively rich and very little exposure to the difficulty and brutality of life and survival of all species.

So, it's approximately 30 mln of people were displaced due to "natural" disaster last year. How much of that has climate change as a big factor?

Yes, take the numbers from headlines with a grain of salt. Yes, much of migration happens internally and yes these numbers will most likely be internal, but I have just one problem with this framing from individuals who are a little more conservative in their estimates of both the physical result of climate change and the societal impacts, and this even includes individuals who worked on the IPCC. That problem is of course, the undeniable fact at this point, that all our climate models have fallen short of predicting reality. Now I'm not calling into question the accuracy of science, because as we all know, exact science is not an exact science. We will never be 100% correct in our predictions - probably. Thus I am not trying to draw any importance from the fact that our models have been wrong. I am however trying to draw attention to *how* they have been wrong. That is, they have all been too conservative in their estimations, and reality has been much worse than what was predicted. It would be one thing if reality wasn't as bad as what was predicted, but alas, that is not the case. When many individuals like yourself talk about what the data shows us and what our models predict, they never cease to fail at mentioning that the models fall short of the data, and that what has come to pass since we started making these models has always been worse than what the models predicted. Not only that but things are getting and have been getting worse at an exponential rate, something else 99% of individuals who talk about this fail to acknowledge. The fact of the matter is, is that things are getting worse faster than we can anticipate, and the rate at which they are getting worse is increasing. This is an undeniable, observable fact supported by the data. I find it incredibly important in acknowledging this EVERY TIME we talk about the climate crisis and the actions we need to take, and frankly - necessary in conveying the true scope of the situation. I find it a bit, almost shameful to characterize this as fear mongering - though I'm not saying that's what you're doing here. If you want to characterize what all these different news outlets are saying as fear mongering, I don't really care. But when you yourself attempt to clarify things, and you do not address the fact that A - our models fall short of the data and reality turns out to be worse than what we predict, B - things are getting worse faster than we can anticipate, and C - the rate at which they are getting worse is increasing exponentially - then I find any narrative you articulate to be one that is disingenuous and frankly just as harmful as the fear mongering you criticize. Is it the same as fear mongering? No, of course not. But it is a kind of - toxic positivity if you will, a downplay of the reality of the situation. Now I don't know if it's to keep people calm or what, but frankly i dont really care because its just as harmful.

@zerochance8581

9 ай бұрын

I find your well articulated comment mirroring my own thoughts. I’ve spent the last 30 years as an engineer holding positions of engineering manager, chief engineer, and currently work as a systems engineer analyzing probability and consequence to determine risk in complex systems. I can tell you I’m shocked at the slow roll to accept what is probable...2C by 2030 as we are now headed for and 3C before 2040 if we have a blue water event or methane burp. If I performed my analysis and recommendation for industry like the IPCC is doing, planes would be falling from the sky and we’d still be looking at our models.

@ClimateAdam

9 ай бұрын

my friend Dr Gilbz has a video on exactly this topic, which I think might be useful: kzread.info/dash/bejne/dJOfrJaKdJe4aMo.htmlsi=IyyzwMXGA9y36QjS

What would be the affect of the population of northern countries that need to heat their homes for 6 months of the year, moving south to warmer climates.? What would be the reduction in Co/Co2? What would be the benefits of de-industrialisation?

If the AMOC does break down we are likely to see mass migration away from the (now freezing) NW Europe to the warmer climes down south, it is worth asking what preparations if any have been made to deal with that. Even more 'local' is the idea that people with the foresight to build homes on the higher ground should be responsible for providing housing for those formerly living on low lying areas, surely (one could argue) we should introduce a lack of foresight tax for situations where the likely outcome will mean rehousing the inhabitants. Politicians seem unwilling to discuss such matters. Odd.

@smokedbeefandcheese4144

3 ай бұрын

It’s strange how similar that is situation wise to what we have in America. Donald Trump put forward a bunch of tax cards for wealthy people. And no one has gotten rid of those. America has also ruined a bunch of countries in our hemisphere though. So we do have a huge obligation to those people but the Trump era immigration stuff is still on sale going on. It seems like no matter who you vote for. The worst things from both parties will be enforced

@mikesmith2905

3 ай бұрын

@@smokedbeefandcheese4144 Sadly this seems to be just another example of the shortcomings of humans. We now know (from Zhang et al's work, 'Is Chinese greed different from Western Greed?') that greed is largely a result of poor parenting, we also know (again from research) that wealth has 'unfortunate' effects on humans (the question was 'Wealthy people are often described as unpleasant, are they wealthy because they are unpleasant or unpleasant because they are wealthy', its the latter, they looked at the kids). Based on my experience with people who have suffered childhood trauma I would contend that the distressed child then remains in play, lurking in the subconscious. We know that distress causes fear and we know that most aggression is the result of fear (aggression is a risky strategy for a species that relies on cooperation to survive). We also know that humans are particularly prone to being frightened. People often miss-state Adler’s position as being ‘Humans are obsessed with power’ but what Adler was saying was not that we are obsessed with power but that we are driven by deep-seated insecurities and we crave respect. Power is just the poor man’s ‘Authority’, authority being the concomitant of responsibility and hence is granted respect, power is authority without responsibility and therefore provides no satisfaction and is unworthy of any respect (other than from frightened people). Responsibility is onerous and ‘healthy’ people accept it with some reservation but the less healthy see it as a route to receiving the ‘respect’ they crave, so they will work harder to achieve that. However part of their insecurity relates (it would seem) to childhood trauma power, so we are dealing with (in part) frightened children and from Piaget et seq we know that frightened children are prone to certain less than helpful behaviours. A lot of this stems from our breeding strategies, our closest cousins are chimps and bonobos and frankly the Bonobos seem to have a healthier strategy. Take a look at the work of Seligman et al on what constitutes healthy in humans, resulting in a longer life with much less mental and physical illness and more rapid recovery from setbacks. Then look at the breeding strategies of Chimps, Bonobos and humans and the resulting stress levels. Humans are not really very ‘self aware’, in fact we have evolved pretentiousness as a way to assuage those deep insecurities. Humans keep trying to find something that ‘sets them apart from animals’ but things like tool using, reverence for the dead, problem solving, an appreciation of ‘art’ etc. have all been seen in other species. Pretentiousness however seems to be a distinctly human characteristic (well cats make have a trace of it as well). It is not confined to ‘humans vs animals’ it also manifests in human interactions, we need that ability to fool ourselves, to feel ‘important’ regardless of reality as we jostle one another in the breeding queue. As Douglas Adams remarked (in his Hitch- hikers Guide to the Galaxy series of books) ‘The last thing anyone needs in a universe this size is a sense of perspective’. Politics is what we fall back on when we don’t know and all we have are intuitive ‘opinions’ but because of our insecurities (mostly relating to membership of an ‘in-group’) we have evolved ideology as a way of protecting our cherished prejudices from reality, and dogma for when that becomes even more difficult. In humans prejudice tends to outrank mere facts, not something you want in mechanisms intended to solve real-world problems. AI may offer us a way to solve some problems, including dealing with anthropogenic climate change. An AI system has a vastly greater baud rate than a human, it can absorb and correlate real time data, but that frightens humans as it may undermine our individual ‘status’ (ie our likelihood of breeding, which is what we are here to do after all, at least according to Life). In reality the AI does not need to ‘take control’ like some delusional human Emperor, it just has to evaluate the data and make recommendations (essentially an automated apolitical civil service). Humans can then pick the outcome (and consequences) they feel best address the problem. The fly in the ointment is the insecurities that drive our ‘Great Leaders’, isolating them from genuine human contact and thwarting their compassion (the desire to alleviate suffering in others). Desmond Morris, in his 1967 book The Naked Ape, popularised the idea of looking at humans from a detached zoological perspective. Humans are after all just another animal, subject to the same pressures and constraints as all the other living things. There are two groups in human societies that exhibit a pronounced need for ‘bling’, the trappings of ‘status’ (they tend to confuse the trappings with the reality, but that’s humans for you). One is the Great Leaders, it manifests in things like having lots of flunkies to demonstrate your importance (it can go awry though, try asking a Great Leader why they are not allowed to drive themselves and why someone else has to remember to bring the pen when an important document is to be signed). The other is the prison population. Broadly speaking criminals feel they cannot compete (in the breeding queue) so they are trying to ‘beat the system’, hence in unstable societies with marked inequalities you get a lot more criminality. Again criminal tendencies are not something you want in a mechanism supposedly intended to run a society (look at modern Russia for example). It is down to the general population to hold the Great Leaders to account (and also to help them get the therapy they need). Personally I would be comfortable with a system of ritual public spanking for leaders who fail to achieve the stated objectives. That would deter the deeply disturbed from pursuing a career in ‘politics’, leaving it to healthier people to take up the burden of responsibility. That would in turn facilitate the use of AI to solve the problems. I am not holding my breath. Martin Seligman has many talks on KZread, search for Seligman Happiness On greed see: Overearning - C.K. Hsee, J. Zhang, C.F. Cai, S. Zhang - Psychological Science, 2013 Regarding the problems humans face in groups of more than about 150 individuals see: Dunbar, R. - How many friends does one person need? Dunbar’s number and other evolutionary quirks. Harvard University Press 2010 In one experiment people were ‘offered’ two jobs, both broadly similar and in similar places but one paid a lot more than the other. The difference was that in the low paying jobs the other people in the company were paid a lot less and in the higher paying job the other staff got a similar but still lower salary. Weirdly a lot of people selected the lower paying job. The conclusion reached (tentatively at this stage) was that they were looking at the hierarchy within the workplace and their position within it, so the greater status and the associated breeding rights within that group outweighed the greater pay. I d not have the citation to hand but I think that study was done by Prof Frans de Waal. Another interesting starting point is Dr Iain McGilchrist's book 'The Master and his Emissary'. Dr. McGilchristis a psychiatrist who has spent a couple of decades studying the functions of the left and right hand parts of the brain. In this diligently researched book he summarises his own and other people’s research and outlies his own conclusions as to the significance of the findings. It is a fascinating read, it does not provide ‘Answers’ but it provides a good overview of ‘The Problems’. He then goes on to try and apply what we know to the evolution of western society which, as his specialisation is psychiatry, I find a questionable endeavour but I am not qualified to critique his contentions further.

Thanks for pointing out that climate change migration is far more nuanced than people understand, including me. I'll be checking out the Big Climate Movement channel.

Internal migration will always be everyone 's first choice because its cheaper, less risky, and you end up closer to your own place so you can get hope to return sooner or later. The nex choice will be the country next tou yours, for the same reasons. But its more difficult, more dangerous to cross borders in mass, and you know you can end up in a refugee camp with you can easily expect will be an unescapa le trap Finally, international migration to far countries is for the cream of the cream: thos who have enough money and courage to dare the difficulties. Those people who dare start this hazardous voyage should be at leat respected for what they did and, as fairly mentioned in the video, can offer very much to the country where they land because they all are among the most willing and capable people from the thouthands that have been displaced along with them but coud not afford or did not dare to go far away.

Thanks fyou both for your work

It’s one thing of YOUR HOUSE burns down… it’s another if YOUR ENTIRE COUNTRY is burning. My house: yes, I will return… my country: no, I’m not.

I love the acting in the hypothetical burning apartment 😅❤

@syk-.

9 ай бұрын

Brilliant presentation, btw, very nuanced ... critical realism ❤

A slight tangent I'm extremely interested in: I live in ____________, how active should I be in looking to move? Personally, I'm in Phoenix, and I'm pretty concerned about both water and sustained heat in 15-30 years from now.

@rimbusjift7575

9 ай бұрын

The say the view from Arizona Bay will be nice. Learn to swim.

@rimbusjift7575

9 ай бұрын

@@anabolicamaranth7140 Quick IQ test... Solve: 4, 5, 14, 185, ...

I have such a crush on Adam, at least it gets me to learn

I agree that the developed world should help the poorer countries with migration however, the average person is going to pay for this which, I believe is unfair. I believe that the fossil fuel companies should pay for this migration and displacement. The fossil fuel companies and Government have known about this climate change issue for many decades yet have done nothing about it.

@dr.zoidberg8666

9 ай бұрын

Governments with sovereign currencies have infinite money -- taxes come after spending, not before. And the purpose of taxation is to destroy money & thereby control inflation, not to pay for spending. State budgets do not work like household budgets.

Hi Climate Adam, so far I have not had an uncontrolled fire in my house but should such a thing occur I would of course make sensible safe observations and then apply my experience and judgement to act appropriately, there is no one case fits all scenario, it all depends on exactly what is burning, how big the fire and what the temperature is, also very important is the amount of fuel available to it. I cannot imagine any circumstances in which my first choice would be to evacuate!, I mightn have tom in the end but not until all practical options were exhausted. It is that last point that offers the most traction, my first priority is always to control the fuel supply, make that safe and the fire has nothing to feed on!. This is the one thing that can always be managed sensibly and where I live I am very careful to keep the amount and proximity of highly flammable material to the minimum. This is exactly the same precautionary principle that can be applied to the wider environment, it always makes much more sense to prevent disasters than it is to repair the damage. The current received wisdom that calls all sorts of disasters 'natural' when in the environment I live in there is no place unmodified by humans would look to me like pretending that there was nothing we could have done to mitigate or prevent them. The only 'reason' I can think of for doing that in the public domain is to conceal the greed and indifference of lazy self-indulgent citizens who do not want to face reality when that conflicts with their desires. With most of the demographic changes that might be required to accommodate climate change somewhat different conditions apply so the initial comparison with a house fire is not valid!. The first issue is simply scale, if so many coastal areas of high population density are going to be threatened there are no circumstances that will allow evacuation to be delayed until the flood starts!, the sooner we begin the better and thew first most obvious 'problem' is one entirely of our own device, our choice to allow the private ownership of property is a major obstacle to the required freedom of movement. As far as I can see until such time as that issue is effectively addressed all other discussion is pointless!. Cheers, Richard.

@christinavuyk2026

9 ай бұрын

Read this three times and it was still just a word salad 😬

3:43 I think your example is too detached from the what I would consider an ideal example of a climate migrant. If your climate changes in a way that you cannot grow food, or there isn't enough water to drink, and it can be proven that this is due to climate change, you don't need to put another layer of socio-economic conditions on top of this, because in reality that would be the root cause of their problem, and they would thusly be a climate migrant if they chose to move somewhere with food and water in which they can survive.

The Elephant in the room you are dancing around is most migration can be directly attributed to globalization and poor governance - not climate change. The countries in South America, Africa and Asia are collapsing because of off the scale corruption and incompetence at all levels of government.

@killgriffinnow

9 ай бұрын

Or maybe-hear me out-both climate change AND political factors both make migration worse, and when they both happen at the same time, it causes an outright crisis? Events, especially global ones like migration, can be caused and made worse by multiple factors that happen at roughly the same time. I hope I didn’t blow your mind too much with this nugget of wisdom, but if I did, I’m sure you’ll get over it.

@stevenwreyford4570

9 ай бұрын

Your nugget of wisdom, might have some merit, but doesn't really detract from the fact that by and large - the mass migration we are seeing in most can not be attributed to climate change - so huff and puff as much as you like... That's really not going to change the situation. Nor is anything that the UK going to do change the trajectory of what is happening for the worldwide migration or pollution/emission problem. So applying all our resources and great minds to try and solve a problem that doesn't exist (or at best has been dangerously misrepresented and/or over-politicized) isn't going to help the rest of the world with all the real existential problems that concern you.

@drkstrong

9 ай бұрын

@@stevenwreyford4570 I think the video covered this point - it said about half of migration can be directly attributed to climate factors. You are talking about the other half.

@killgriffinnow

9 ай бұрын

@@stevenwreyford4570 That’s just a really long winded way of saying “nuh -uh, I’m taking my ball and going home!”

@guystrong7218

9 ай бұрын

@@drkstrong No it was talking about internally displaced people, which are people forced to move but who stay in their own country, the other half would be due to conflict. Also, this half cannot be directly attributed to climate change as natural disasters have always happened. Of course climate change will cause forced migration, but current flows is mainly due to legal migration, and people wanting a better life - not forced through climate change.

By 2025 they should've said. Sudden sea level rise is real, just a question of what year. Antarctica and Greenland are below sea level, which is warm. Rain will come to both places this year, an accellerant. Your local politicians will take all the money and leave. Life will be complicated.

Migration means rental units going for more than peoples monthly income.

Majority of desertification caused by following hummus book.

I’m from Louisiana and I’ve been thinking of migration every day for the past few months and I’ve decided to buy land in Minnesota for the future but keep my property here incase the AMOC shuts down. I’m not sure what that would look like for the mid western states so I may want to stay closer to the equator 🤷‍♂️ I know I wouldn’t want to live in Europe if that were to happen.

Adam, j genuinely appreciate your efforts to lighten a very dark topic

Mandate countries’ accepting refugee numbers according to energy use levels might work. The cost of wealth is your responsibility to help the poor so they don’t surround you in desperation and eat you alive.

Yeeeaaah, kind'a... You're absolutely right for the most part, assuming a relatively gradual increase in the rate of global temperature increase (with obvious local variations and impacts,) but there are deal breakers on the horizon. The possibility of the collapse of the Western Antarctic Ice Shelves (and the subsequent increase in global sea levels,) or the overturning of the AMOC (with the dramatic [maybe] drop in global and especially European temperatures) just being two of note; we're in for a hell of a ride over the next ten to twenty years.

@ThomasVWorm

9 ай бұрын

Why should there be a drop in global temperature? The collapse of the ice shelves leads to more surface, which heats up instead of reflecting energy. And the AMOC only transports energy and it only changes its destination. The cooling of Europe is only a local effect. But it does not mean that the energy, which does not reach Europe anymore does vanish.

@dougmorrow746

9 ай бұрын

Colder temps in Europe would cause more snow to accumulate there and in the Arctic (for a time), driving changes to the global system. True, it would only be a bump in the overall direction of global warming, but it would have an effect. But in the long run, the AMOC is a really big deal. If is slows down or stalls, we're in even bigger trouble now than we currently think. The AMOC is Earth's largest and most effective carbon sink, and without it working well... as I said above, we're in for a hell of a ride. @@ThomasVWorm

@ThomasVWorm

9 ай бұрын

@@dougmorrow746 I see, thanks.

I have escaped Poland partially because of climate change. Now I live in tropical climate. The reason is I can stand the Winter weather in Poland. It is too warm, instead of one depressing month - November, there are 4 such months. This Winter no-Winter weather is really disastrous for my mind and well-being.

@tvuser9529

9 ай бұрын

Southern Norway, we also have more winter time without winter weather than we used to, just endless November instead. But usually also some time with snow. Yes, that matters a lot. Snow makes everything brighter, even at night. (Regardless, even in the most depressing weather, I find going outside helps the mind.)

@garneybaker

9 ай бұрын

Same in Alberta, Canada.

@___.51

9 ай бұрын

@@tvuser9529same in Vermont, endless November. In 2017, Christmas Eve was 21•C.

Cross link with Paul Beckwith, he is interested in the human aspect too as well as the science and current trends of climate casino, whiplash, collapse. Migrants are net positive for any country that is not consumed with bigotry. Don't know why Merica is such a target?

What baffles me is that we even need to talk about the fact that migration can have benefits. Srsly. Even the post fashist party in Italy admitted that they NEED migration. This is true for most developed countries as they tend to age and thus lack workforce. Another thing ist that the notion to which extend we can "control" Migration to begin with is completely wrong! What we can control is the condition under which migration happens but we can not influence the numbers as much as politicians claim to be able to. Here is a real life example. The EU paid billions to tunesia to make stricter laws to restrict fishermen from selling their ships. The result? The quality of the vessels has dropped drastically as now boats made out of scrap metal welded together are used. There was no effect on number of migrants. The only visible effect was more people drowning. Tunesia also send a couple thousand migrants into the desert without water as temp were around 50c while the deal was made. Oh and our friends from the Emirates shoot migrants with grenade launchers that they bought from us and torture the survivors but that is no big deal. "Universal human rights" *1 *2 *1: excluding Muslims, Arabs, black, poor and whoever we do not like. *2: a rich person has always more rights and is not affected by "detrimental traits" (wrong religion or skin colour).

@YxYzYx

2 ай бұрын

😂😂😂😂

Such a weird take. Climate forced migration won't be so bad because normally economic migration is a net positive that gets vilified for politics? That doesn't square. Hundreds of millions of refugees is not the same as young educated people leaving poor countries for more developed ones. Claiming you're adding nuance to the conversation by listing the ways in which it is complex doesn't excuse the poor reasoning.

If none of this happens by 2050, will you admit you were wrong? Because none of the people predicting environmental disasters have ever admitted they were wrong since the 1960's. Maybe long before.

@oleonard7319

9 ай бұрын

It's happening right now

@SaulOhio

9 ай бұрын

@@oleonard7319 Prove it. You see a lot of news stories about storms and wildfires. But where are the statistics? Numbers that show that they are increasing because of climate change. One of the very worst storms in American history hit Galveston Texas in 1900. I bet religious people claimed that was a sign of the Apocalypse.

9:05 society benefits because we will naturally evolve into a social common “temperature” less divisiveness. Also, our high stress culture…. I think migrants have many lessons of humility and help us relearn old ways and lose all the consumerism. I feel like my credit card chip should just be on my forehead like a bindi,so it at least looks kind of stylish.

Well, if Ocean waters rises quickly, that might stop the Israel problem.

To say that climate change does not necessarily cause migration is a little misleading. Whether it's a direct or indirect cause, it's still a cause. Of course there are many other complex reasons for migration that we're aware of, but that's not to say climate change is not one of the foremost causes, and as time progresses and its effects get worse, there's little doubt that its role will only increase. We know that climate change is already adversely impacting food production, and that it's not long before we have simultaneous crop failures in all the major growing regions on the planet. And when that happens there's going to be serious famines around the world the likes of which have not been seen in modern times. The price of food will rocket everywhere leading to serious social discontent in the developed world, the rise of extremism and authoritarianism as millions fall below the poverty line. We can even see the beginnings of this now. As the equatorial regions home to much of the world's population heat to the point where they become uninhabitable for humans (regular temperatures in excess of 50°C), of course there will be mass migration north on an unprecedented scale. We need to prepare for this, not be in denial.

Great video! :)

@ClimateAdam

9 ай бұрын

lovely comment!

Our species chose what’s coming. Oh well

For a video that emphasises the nuance it sure does use some over simplistic analogies

Well, first u go online and find out the legal full name of that fire is. Then u can use that to find out information about where this fire is receiving its funding from. Because generally when fires are granted funding through “not-for-profit” organizations, it is fair to assume this fire is being paid to burn a specific message into the minds of others.

Great great video, thank you both! Such an important topic. It always baffles me how countries esp in Europe can be so hard anti migration. In Germany the economic boom of the 50s and 60s relied heavily on migrant workers. Before that a lot of people were displaced due to the war, they had to depend on the hospitality of strangers and live together in their houses until things were rebuilt. I'm sure things were difficult at times... but that's also how people survived, and they made it work. So like... have we forgotten all that? Surely we can do that again? Or maybe even learn from what went wrong and make it better?

You reminded me of Tom Hiddleston 😮

Labeling things as fearmongering and downplaying the risk is probably not helping as much as you think. If your house is on fire, you may move next door. But the fire isnt being put out, so the neighborhood will be on fire soon, then the city.

@grischa762

9 ай бұрын

You forgot some important details in the metaphor that help explain what the video means. 1st of all it is not your house that is burning it is the entire neighborhood right away and within minutes the village. It is not only burned but also contaminated living there is impossible now. As the village burned so did many other villages. You and all those other people who lost their home, shops, farmland, and so on, take whatever you have left and move to the remaining uncontaminated land. As space is limited 90% of the refugees end up in slums. There is no drinking water, no sewage system. Some of your children do not survive the diaria but now you at least have less mouths to feed. You are loosing strength and scraping by with odd jobs that pay almost nothing because there are a 100 people for every job opportunity. Your oldest son is 12 or maybe 14 and not as affected by the malnutrition as the rest as he gets most of the food. He is your investment, your only opportunity to get out of this hell. The fire that destroyed your home continues burning and gradually grows closer and closer. You ask all your relatives and friends and ofc the local mafia for a loan to scrape together the 10.000€ your son will need to pay to reach "paradise". You hear that "paradise" is also burning and that many people die on the way. At least in paradise they have the resources to put out the flames. So there is no other way. Maybe he will make it, maybe he will receive a work permit even, maybe he will be able to earn a decent wage and maybe he will be even able help get his whole family out of this hell hole. End of metaphor. See how the circumstances influence wether and where people are able to flee? Yes billions might get displaced but most will stay in their country and region as the lack the means (money) to flee any further. There might be a tipping point where there are just so many people that get displaced and march as one mass to Morocco to then swim over to Spain and just overrun the Warlords that we hired to stop them. Or we will be able to produce enough bullets. Not sure yet.

The point from the thumbnail wasnt even adressed in the video, what clickbait. Not coming back again

We're talking about the end of humanity, and everyone's gotta be a goofball about it? I always wonder if that happy face approach isn't part of the reason nobody is responding. I mean, you don't see Greta going that way, and she motivated people to action like nobody else. Al Gore always thinks he has to be so positive, and so do most all the rest of the climate activists. Mass media picks up only on the positive spinners, but that's cause they don't really give a damn, except about ratings... do you just think you can't alienate people, or what... My English lit teacher always taught to write to a preordained pattern of bring it around to closure... but, what's the point in that. ....maybe I'm just wrong, and smiling faces brings people in. Mind you, I'm not looking for stoic doom and gloom, but how about straight faced facts? Just wondering your thoughts here?

@tvuser9529

9 ай бұрын

In my Northern European view, different approaches convince different people, so diversity is good. I also find the media is sort of more diverse in covering climate than other things. Greta got a lot of media attention with her intense, alarming message. So do climate-related disaster events, but techno-optimists get a lot of coverage too. Compared to war coverage: I see very few media opinions saying it's going to be fine, world peace is coming. And quite a lot warning about WW3, either triggered by a Ukraine escalation, or one in Taiwan, or a bigger-than-usual boil-over in the middle east. Climate coverage seems more diverse to me and I think that's good, apart from the denialism and feet-dragging parts of course.

@Naturalook

9 ай бұрын

@@tvuser9529, I think your right, the diverstiy is important to reach a greater audience... Still, I'm looking for a Walter Cronkite persnality in this mix, and just don't see it. Greta's straight shooting was like that, but she doesn't do punctuated updates. ...maybe I should be talking to myself, since I'm pretty good at it where I teach? ...I sub, so that I get 150 new kids a day to connect with. Thanks for the reply.

@UCCLdIk6R5ECGtaGm7oqO-TQ

9 ай бұрын

I think Adam does a good job here, certainly, though it's probably not for everyone. I think different people have different needs and wants when it comes to learning. Some people need to be kept feeling positive about things to avoid falling into despair resulting from negative feelings that can consequently lead to inaction or debilitation. Humour often sells a message as it can make people feel happier even if the message behind it is difficult to accept. Likewise, positive messages at the end can help offer hope to keep morale up in those that need it. It suits some people, but not all. The good thing is there are quite a few differing styles available out there today to satisfy the particular needs of most. Myself, I tend to lean more towards the harder, more serious, more raw side of things as I'm looking for the cold hard facts of the situation without the warm fluffy sugar coatings, albeit at a level I can understand. I prefer real science, real talk, neither positively nor negatively communicated as I feel capable of deciding how to feel about things for myself. You just have to find what you feel suits you best.

@Naturalook

9 ай бұрын

@@UCCLdIk6R5ECGtaGm7oqO-TQ only part I kind of disagree with is thinking people need the warm fuzzy feeling to keep from despair, with leads to inaction... I think those people actually seek out the warm-fuzzy to excuse the fact that they aren't going to do anything, regardless, so might as well feel good about it. We have this sense of entitlement, and long as the check clears, cash it now... Just look around, this is what everyone else is doing, so it must be ok. ...I'm suppose to say these are good people that just don't understand, but are they, or is ignorance simply more convenient?

@UCCLdIk6R5ECGtaGm7oqO-TQ

9 ай бұрын

@@Naturalook I know, I see it too, and I agree it's infuriating. The way things are I don't think any of us is going to do much of significance to change - even those who are aware. I don't know that we even know what we can do to change. We're talking systemic change necessary here - huge sweeping change. For now, it is what it is. We'll keep on keeping on until the pressures against us deny it - at which point it will be too late. The world - life - has become a business. We've created a monsterous system of unimaginable proportions of which no man is in control. Only nature has control - a nature that is likely going to teach us the strongest of lessons imaginable. One can only hope that more heads becoming more aware lead to new ways of thinking on how we can continue in this world without destroying ourselves and everything around us in the process.

I'm sorry, but the soft selling of what the impacts of climate change induced migration will bring to ALL countries, is not helpful. Yes, the situation is nuanced. But there are certain objective factors involved. Humans are a mammalian species affected by temperature. We have only a 7°C (14°F) internal range of life. Temperatures affect us physically, emotionally and mentally. Rapid or unpredictable changes in climate can bring about extremes in behaviour that can lead to widespread social unrest and violence. It isn't just "migration" at an increased, predictable level that can disrupt things. It's increasing environmental destruction, natural disasters, the outbreaks of famines, pandemics (yes, more are coming) wars and civil wars, economic disparities that lead to a societal breaking point, nonstop lies and disinformation on media leading to mass psychosis, and unknowns not even conceived of, that can cascade into sudden and massive migrations that no single country's systems can bear, no matter how affluent or influential. Global warming and climate change will trigger and intensify the aforementioned reasons for climate migrations. Look at what one country's mass migration, from a single civil war in Syria, did to all of Europe. Imagine what the level of crisis would lead to if several or even more catastrophes of this scale simultaneously started happening globally. Climate change is the steadily rising control system that could lead to a multiplicity of critical social systems failing all at once. Rather than downplay the significance of how climate change can lead to mass migrations, it should be an impetus to study and find understandings for how human induced global warming can lead to a series of other dominoes falling, which will lead to chaos around the world. This isn't fear mongering or hyperbole but a cold, hard look at the multiplicity of factors that could lead to the fall of human civilization. It's happened before, only this time it could happen globally. Migration is only one part of the crisis that uncontrolled climate change will bring. The world is currently on track for a 2.5°-2.9°C temperature rise above pre-industrial levels this century - far above the 1.5°C limit that would avoid the worst impacts of climate change. And that's the "truth".

Host a refugee like a foreign exchange student- help them get acclimated

Migration is a human right, from the Universal Declaration of Human Rights: Article 13 1- Everyone has the right to freedom of movement and residence within the borders of each state. 2- Everyone has the right to leave any country, including his own, and to return to his country.

@___.51

9 ай бұрын

A beautiful sentiment that is thrown out whenever it is convenient to do so by certain big and powerful countries

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Erm.. theres a food security & climate change related war going on in one of the worlds grain baskets. There are also emerging sciences of atteibution: Climate change attribution is the study of whether, or to what degree, human influence may have contributed to extreme climate or weather events. Scientists can now estimate whether human activities have influenced extreme weather or climate events and changed how likely they are to occur. 1 Jun 2023

Weather. It's always been a talking point, i guess.

Warmer air can hold more humidity and energy. You are being disingenuous not attributing climate change for the flooding in Libya and future farmers not being able to grow crops due to changing weather events. Why bother? Relating complex systems like global climate change to a house being on fire is simplistic. When you start talking about dates like 2050, we will likely be at +2.5C to 3C. Temperature increases like that will cause power failures during wet bulb conditions and that will simply kill millions of people. A few waves of wet bulb events and people will want to get out of their affected countries. First in countries like India and Thailand which are already close to these conditions in some areas, and then more and more. They will look at other more comfortable countries continuing to pollute and enjoying their societies well developed by decades of intensive fossil fuel use and think why should I suffer? What are these people supposed to do, just die in the country they were born in?

@rebdomine1

8 ай бұрын

@@Clyde-2055 A wet bulb event is when air temperature and humidity combine at a level where the human body's ability to remove the heat is overwhelmed. At 100% humidity, it can be as low as 35C, and as humidity falls, this temperature increases. If you are a healthy person, in shade, naked, with unlimited water, you will die if exposed to 35C with 100% humidity for too long. People in these conditions must seek air conditioning or die. Read the first chapter of Ministry for the Future for a good description of what this would be like.

The problems in the US with immigration are not the immigrants but the unwillingness to absorb them, or deal with them when they show up. People are coming in illegally because we refuse to set up the infrastructure to process them, then tell them to wait forever. Nyc has 100m sq ft of empty office space. That could be used to house the immigrants but nyc refuses to do it, and then complains they dont have enough space. There is close to a 9 to 10 year backlog on green cards, even if we let them in spite of tons of empty jobs.

@timtruett5184

9 ай бұрын

That is a load of bull****. I am a college graduate at the end of a fairly good career. I can barely afford housing in the US even though I live in a very modest condo. You want to increase demand for housing, which will make it more expensive for me? Shame on you. Maybe I should immigrate to your house. Regarding jobs, that's also a bogus argument. The middle class has seen real wages go down for decades. We don't need more people, we need better jobs. Immigration has been the single biggest factor in my difficulty in remaining employed for the past 40 years. If a man who graduated in the top 1% from a good engineering university can't find a job, and has been unemployed for as long as two years at a time, multiple times, we don't need more immigrants. You must be a business owner looking for cheap labor to exploit.

@oleonard7319

9 ай бұрын

@@timtruett5184 the price of housing is so high in the us not because of lack of housing but because housing has now become another investment scheme for wall street banks and PE firms.

@oleonard7319

9 ай бұрын

The low salaries are the result of 4+ decades of Reaganomics.A coordinated effort to remove Bargaining power from workers and transfer the majority of the country's wealth to the very rich. More immigrants had little to do with it

Go vegan

Weird take on fires, fires are the result of poor urban design or failure to maintain infrastructure - this is all 'cart before horse' the neurotypicals garbage logic.

bull

It really is amazing the who they've been letting into Oxford. I'm trying to think of someone that did massive damage to the country that did not go to Oxford.

Migrants are usually young, energetic, looking for work; exactly what we need in the aging north.

@alliecravulz

9 ай бұрын

To make them uber drivers here? Please....

"The science" 1.2 billion "displaced" One of the "displaced "oy its hot out today, better take one step over to the shade" steps. "Ah thats better"

We should have focused more on nuclear energy. I'm really shocked why we don't have nuclear plants providing more than half of our energy needs.

The end of this video is literally just benefits of ethnic cleansing. How is it constructive to have a discussion about the benefits of people being forced to move from their ancestral homes in their millions, completely emotionally disconnected, apauling.

Not today, thank you.

@sabaidaniel555

9 ай бұрын

What don't you want today?

The North should pay more as you are going 90% of the world population or the North drops pricing of all goods and products by minimum 50%

the largest desert on the planet is in Antarctica the desert in Antarctica is larger than the U.S. larger than Australia the 2nd largest desert on the planet is in the Arctic in fact, those 2 added together surpass all the other deserts of the world combined global warming would reduce desertification more desert is caused by extreme cold than extreme heat

The climate change issue is caused primarily by capitalism, and that same capitalist system will most likely not be able to adapt or prepare to the increasingly severe effects of climate change ahead of time. Instead the capitalist classes of the world will increasingly turn to more and more open state violence in order to quell the growing unrest in both rich and poor countries. The influx of migrants will add to this unrest and cost capitalist profits and potentially destabilize their economies and prime their societies for revolutionary movements. In order to combat this they will again likely turn to violent means, meaning concentration camps and mass killings. This is an issue caused by capitalism that capitalism is not equiped to deal with. For the future of humanity we need to move on to communism sooner rather than later, or else we will almost certainly witness the most horrifying brutality and death in history.

What I don't trust is you. Your knocking the idea that we have real environmental emergencies fails miserably. Several other scientists with Ph.D.s support me on this.

I’m sorry but migration caused by climate, ecological, and societal breakdown is not fricken “normal” and has definitely not “always happened”… You need to start being more hardline on this subject, we are talking about hundreds of millions of the poorest people in the world losing their homes and livelihoods because a powerful minority want ever rising profits.

This is pure emotion not based on any measurement or studies. Not worthwhile. Just bla bla bla and fire effects.