As a Swede, I support keeping Turkey outside the EU. Over my dead body that Turkey joins the EU. Keeping Turkey out of the EU is more important than Swedish NATO membership.

@filipe5722

11 ай бұрын

Mate, Sweden is not keeping anyone out... Turkey won't enter the EU while Erdogan continues to weaken its democracy and he fully knows that. He just doesn't have any other excuses to keep Sweden out of NATO.

@Pierluigi_Di_Lorenzo

11 ай бұрын

Given the state of the Russian armed forces there is absolutely no hurry for Sweden to join NATO. Better to withdraw the application and wait in order to get a better deal, like no stationing of nuclear weapons on Swedish territory (like Denmark and Norway, but not Finland).

@cybersork

11 ай бұрын

Totally agree This blackmailing behavior is an indication of what their Eu membership would be like.

@13BulliTs

11 ай бұрын

Well said!

@Corrector-cq2ze

11 ай бұрын

@@Pierluigi_Di_Lorenzo You won't get Denmark to agree to place nuclear weapons there. Denmark has always been very anti-nuclear, and this has not changed. But there is no need. Plenty of nuclear weapons already in Europe. Moving them around, like Putin did to Belarus, is kind of pointless, because reach has not been a problem for anyone since the middle of the cold war.

Using Sweden as a pawn illustrates exactly why Turkey should not be admitted to the EU.

@truthalonetriumphs6572

11 ай бұрын

They should be kicked out of NATO

@Francisco_CS

11 ай бұрын

Exactly

@nezgi8220

11 ай бұрын

​@@truthalonetriumphs6572hmmm yes, let's kick the second biggest army of NATO out of NATO because we want Sweden

@lobabaabozahra7725

11 ай бұрын

​@@truthalonetriumphs6572 do it if you dare,😂😂😂😂😂😂😂

@akpl4210

11 ай бұрын

Good, tell the NATO, to kick Turkey out and see why their response is!!😂

Turkey, by blocking Sweden is giving reasons for not taking it into EU.

@williamdavis9562

11 ай бұрын

That's the idea. They essentially kill 2 birds with one stone with this move.

@vomm

11 ай бұрын

We will defend Sweden anyway regardless if it is in the NATO or not. And Turkey would not defeat the NATO anyways, Erdogan has a pact with Putin and would attack Greece.

@pingu9729

11 ай бұрын

@@vomm bruh

@robertsanders7060

11 ай бұрын

Turkey, by blocking Sweden is giving reasons for not taking it into EU and removing it from NATO

@willbusn5683

11 ай бұрын

Turkey is free to choose.start to worry about NATO and Europe union.

So Turkey is under normal circumstances not attractive enough for the EU and now has to try blackmailing? Turkey has shown that it can only block as much as possible instead of making joint progress. That speaks for itself.

@tomlxyz

11 ай бұрын

It looks like turkey would just be as uncooperative if inside the EU, probably vetoing all kinds of proposials simply to get more benefits out of it. We definitely dont need any of that in the EU. With NATO it's a bit more tolerable because NATO doesn't affect most of a country's affairs

@jhsalem5480

11 ай бұрын

Turkey could not meet the criteria anyways. They have high inflation and a dictatorship. Though Hungary is a dictatorship and is part of the EU, so who knows? But economically, Turkey is poorer than Hungary by a huge margin. Turks don't even make $10,000 a year on average

@exshenanigan2333

11 ай бұрын

@@jhsalem5480 Turkey's GDP equals to all Eastern Bloc EU countries minus Poland, or Norway, Finland, Denmark GDP combined. Turkey is the 11th largest economy by GDP PPP. You're fooling yourself.

@williamdavis9562

11 ай бұрын

@Hasn2241, Don't be ridiculous. It's fairly obvious what is happening. They're essentially letting it be known they are dead set against Sweden in Nato. Asking for things they don't even want, like EU membership makes this clear as day. If even if the EU caved and said yes, they'd have no interest in joining and would simply come up with another demand they hope will not be met.

@ulfosterberg1979

11 ай бұрын

@@exshenanigan2333 turkey is poor and is going to become much poorer. Turkey is going to be vetoed by Sweden even if it is ever going to meet the criterias. Do you unerstand that your president has made even your grandchildren poor?

For Gods sake! DO NOT let Turkey into the EU. Its bad enough with Hungary...

@RandomGuy9

11 ай бұрын

Not in 100 years. He just wants an excuse to not let Sweden join. And he have no reasons left.

@CrucialConflict.

11 ай бұрын

If only they could ban Turkey from NATO... Turks are never to be trusted.

@Kartoffelsuppe_m_Wursteinlage

11 ай бұрын

And Poland.

@yansed666

11 ай бұрын

@@Kartoffelsuppe_m_Wursteinlage and Germany.

@timlinator

11 ай бұрын

As an Irishman I agree. The last thing EU needs is another right wing authoritarian government that doesn't respect human rights. Ireland is not in NATO and Sweden doesn't have to be. Russia would have to get through NATO members Finland and Baltics first and by then NATO would have decimated them.

EU have enough troubles with Hungary, I don`t think EU would like another Hungary.

@coolwzl

11 ай бұрын

It would be way worse and much less compatible.

@broaikings9527

11 ай бұрын

exactly

@BennysGamingLounge

11 ай бұрын

Agreed

@BennysGamingLounge

11 ай бұрын

And they hate the USA......

@massinakmin8340

11 ай бұрын

Damn i read wrong. I thought you said you have problems of people being hungry in the eu wink wink.

With friends like these, who needs enemies!

@tkg3491

11 ай бұрын

It goes both ways, this is the only way to communicate with the superiority complexed west

In other words,Turkey tries to blackmail NATO in helping Turkey to get into the EU (asking to ignore or loosen the requirements to do so) for letting Sweden into NATO. Both are not comparable, Sweden did everything to fulfill the requirements, while Erdogan's Turkey still needs a lot of things to do, such as human rights improvements to say it nicely. I'm okay if Turkey gets in, but only if it fulfills all the requirements, without it we would have another Hungary and essentially weaken the strong EU alliance.

@mundord6042

11 ай бұрын

What do you mean human rights if it's lgbtq that's insult to our country also we want our country benefits, i don't care if they are gay, they don't have a right to do a pride also feminist woman's shouldn't have a right

@oteiri78

11 ай бұрын

Sweden is perfect country to join Nato. Just like Finland. The problem is Turkey. They are using all of these coalitions for their own interests in criminal way. Turkey should be kicked out from Nato and never to be accepted in EU. Let them try to play evil with Putin. Let them choose the dark side. Because that's what Erdogan really is. Let him change. It makes everything easier.

@3dPrintingMillennial

11 ай бұрын

Turkiye is NATO though...

@michaelutech4786

11 ай бұрын

@@3dPrintingMillennial "Turkiye is NATO though" - Yes, but that's a problem not an asset. In the EU it would not be a problem, it would be a catastrophe.

@AsifSaifuddinAuvipy

11 ай бұрын

Bulgaria Romania Greece EU country very strong countries LoL 😂

So turkey will only stop misusing their veto power in nato for concessions unless they get invited into the EU where they can get veto powers to misuse for other political goals...

@arthurdevrome8925

11 ай бұрын

They will use each veto to get as much as possible benefits.

@tauepsilon4220

11 ай бұрын

Yeah😂 thanks but no thanks 😅 give them a bit economic pressure and Erdogan will crumble

@user-vw4ui5gz6b

11 ай бұрын

It's like giving a rogue general nuclear weapons... It would be the end of European Democracy and it's bakers.

@user-vw4ui5gz6b

11 ай бұрын

Bakers= values

@ggoddkkiller1342

11 ай бұрын

No, it didn't! There are still PKK terrorists in Sweden freely operating and ''protesting'' with PKK flags and pictures of it's terrorist leader!! PKK is recognized as a terrorist organization by DOZENS of countries including EU, US, UK, Spain, Japan, Australia etc. And supposedly Sweden banned them as well but they could still do this, Turkiye will never ever accept this moronity...

yeah no turkey has no buisness joining EU or being in NATO for that matter. This current practice of taking swedens nato membership hostage proofs that painfully let alone how turkey itself is run intenrally. Too bad that they made it impossible to kick nato members out but maybe this whole deal will make them reconsider that

@Katoshi_Takagumi

11 ай бұрын

Yeah, obviously this has nothing to do with Sweden meeting the requirements any more.

@splith

11 ай бұрын

EU definitely prefers countries that are Democracies and Erdogan seems hostile to that.

@natasa8266

11 ай бұрын

You do understand Turkey's strategic importance is way too big? If Nato is pushed to choose between Sweden and Turkey, Sweden is out of the game instantly.

@Katoshi_Takagumi

11 ай бұрын

@@natasa8266 Then again, Sweden is essentially for the Baltic and Arctic defense of NATO. All of this really depends on how much Erdogan needs at this exact point and what he will settle for.

@reknakfarg7252

11 ай бұрын

The EU could (and should) punish turkey by kicking them out of the free trade area

Turkey should NOT under any circumstance be in the EU. We simply have to stand outside NATO. It would be utter madness to have Turkey in the EU.

@williamdavis9562

11 ай бұрын

They have no interest in joining the EU. They don't want to be bound to defend Sweden and they'll do anything to drag this out. Even resorting to make requests of things they don't even want.

@mmtalii

11 ай бұрын

It would be great if Turkey was in the EU. I am Turkish tho 😅😂

@peppi1974

11 ай бұрын

@@mmtalii not welcome join russia your a bunch of backstabbers

@bablooze9439

11 ай бұрын

EU needs Turkiye.... because currently Turkiye controls a big chunk of the global food supply chain.

@bablooze9439

11 ай бұрын

@@user-vz8zg3gf7d most countries have their government subsidising their food.... for now. Turkiye strategy is to rip the band aid deal with inflation now. They are are preparing by hedging with gold for a few years now.... Singapore and China have taken their strategy in recent year.

As a Greek reading the comments, im like: Now you see what we have been shouting about for years!! 🤣

@Kartoffelsuppe_m_Wursteinlage

11 ай бұрын

We have a clear perspective of greece as well. Time to refound the Core European Union of founder nations. Turkey, Cyprus, Israel, Armenia? Vive l'europe de charlemagne!!!

@AmateurPainter651

11 ай бұрын

Greek🤮

@nenasiek

11 ай бұрын

Weve known for a long time, its just that some countries politicians thought that turkey could be like russia and china and become good countries. Hasnt really worked out for any of them and hopefully those politicians wont trust any of them again. Or theyll get voted out for their stupidity

@ggoddkkiller1342

11 ай бұрын

No, it didn't! There are still PKK terrorists in Sweden freely operating and ''protesting'' with PKK flags and pictures of it's terrorist leader!! PKK is recognized as a terrorist organization by DOZENS of countries including EU, US, UK, Spain, Japan, Australia etc. And supposedly Sweden banned them as well but they could still do this, Turkiye will never ever accept this moronity..

@m.aydogmus5834

11 ай бұрын

So, as a Turk, it's normal for you to stockpile weapons on an island 20km away? It's sad that you're hypocritical.

Erdogan's posture (kind of blackmail) demonstrates it would be a bad idea to allow Turkey to become a EU member.

@tobiastorres-ly7lb

11 ай бұрын

Understatement of the decade It would be disastrous.

@ahal_gokdepe

11 ай бұрын

I don't think Turkey wants to be an EU member! They know that its better for them to be out of it

@gorillaguerillaDK

11 ай бұрын

@@ahal_gokdepe Well, what Türkiye want is the benefits of the EU without any of the responsibilities, and most definitely without having to adhere to any requirements! By now most EU politicians has realized that to protect the future of the political project of the EU, we need to have new applicants sign much tougher resolutions where it’s a lot easier to sanction, and even cancel memberships! We will probably also set a higher bar of entry! Türkiye want none of that! It wants in, and then the ability to act like Hungary is currently acting!

@meso8848

11 ай бұрын

the badest idea would be allowing Sweden to join NATO... as for Finland it's too late.... good luck for any new country that been annexed to NATO

@user-vw4ui5gz6b

11 ай бұрын

​@@TheThirstyOtterI had the same thought...

With Erdogan it always like you're on a Turkish bazar, you want to get over with it but he keeps bargaining

@newwonderer

11 ай бұрын

😂

@juhannusruusu

11 ай бұрын

lmaooo Im dead

@GSorinYT

11 ай бұрын

Even Turkish bazars aren't what they used to be

@knotsable

11 ай бұрын

Well, he is just a common crook …

@QUINTUSMAXIMUS

11 ай бұрын

He's economically destroying the Turkish bazars. You got him right, but his voters are asleep and naive. He's not really interested in joining the EU that much. He's trying to shield himself because he's under pressure to let Sweden join NATO. He is wondering what's in it for him.

This bid alone shows why we must not allow Turkey to join the EU.

@richardpark3054

11 ай бұрын

Shocking that Turkey is offering to trade apples for oranges. Let Turkey out of NATO and enlist with Russian Federation. Good riddance!

@COCOBALMCOLOMBIANBEAN

11 ай бұрын

Why not?

97% of Turkey's territory lies in Asia and only 3% of its territory lies in Europe. I don't see how the EU can accept Turkey's membership, and also Erdogan's blackmailing scheme to become a member.

@Lando-kx6so

11 ай бұрын

If so then Ukraine & Cyprus aren't in Europe at all

@petru196

11 ай бұрын

@@Lando-kx6so Ukraine is fully in Europe

@MySpace662

11 ай бұрын

@@Lando-kx6so Ukraine is eastern Europe, and Cyprus is Southeastern Europe.

@_Painted

11 ай бұрын

Geography isn't a problem. The EU could easily reimagine itself to allow in anyone around the Mediterranean if they would actually be good members. Morocco and Israel would be better member candidates than Turkey even though they're entirely outside of Europe. Turkey has other problems that make them untrustworthy allies and a risk to EU integrity if allowed in. Also Turkey's economy is on the brink of collapse and it doesn't make sense for the EU to let them in just to bail them out immediately.

@petru196

11 ай бұрын

@@MySpace662 Cyprus is geographically in western Asia but is politically considered as Europe

Now it's official that turkey's position is not only about security concerns but much more about bargaining for its own advantage.

@andyf10

11 ай бұрын

Exactly the reason Turkey is not an appropriate member of the EU.

@matrixmega8749

11 ай бұрын

So every country ever?

@tobiastorres-ly7lb

11 ай бұрын

call it what it is, blackmailing.

@cspeitch3262

11 ай бұрын

This is how Turkey has always been. Try having them as border neighbours.

@pakde8002

11 ай бұрын

That's been obvious for some time.

Next, Erdogan would make Sweden joining NATO conditional on Germany’s willingness to finance Turkey’s deficit for 50yrs.

@aren624

11 ай бұрын

Erdogan is bluffing, he really wants is money.

@tfhmobil

11 ай бұрын

No more credit to Turkey’s. No financing on infrastructure. No weapons, no fighter jets.

@Worldaffairslover

11 ай бұрын

@@tasreasfatemsa8266because they’re too corrupt, too much Russian influence, too many Russians, literally at war. We’re not gonna sacrifice Americans for Ukraine

@greedowins2917

11 ай бұрын

Keep asking until you get a different answer? I want Ukraine to join Nato after the current conflict ends, any sooner and the US is in a hot war with Russia (to be avoided at almost any cost).

@alainpannetier2543

11 ай бұрын

And to fill a few shoe boxes full of Euros... Amazing this guy is still in power. What are Turkish voters thinking of?

If turkey wont let Sweden in, Sweden should sign a mutual defence pact with us, uk, France and so forth

@williamdavis9562

11 ай бұрын

I guess they're welcome to do that.

@TheBongReyes

11 ай бұрын

That is an option. Sweden could easily have mutual defense treaty with multiple NATO members. Similar to what South Korea, Japan, Philippines and the US have. It wouldn’t be as strong as if Sweden was a full member of NATO.

@chinavirus841

11 ай бұрын

@@TheBongReyesUkraine lost 😢

@KarakuraRiser

11 ай бұрын

That worked great for Poland at the time

@SusCalvin

11 ай бұрын

Right now, Sweden has operated under less binding security guarantees from the UK and the USA. This would practically mean creating a NATO-B.

As a Canadian, I keep hoping Sweden will join the NATO family. NATO needs to stand up to Turkey's games and tricks.

@Qoordheere77

11 ай бұрын

And turkey should stand up to some westren country's support of terrorists group's 😎

@kayasper6081

11 ай бұрын

As a Dutch-Spaniard, I COMPLETELY agree we you! This is absurd, we cannot tolerate this childish behaviour any longer.

@ggoddkkiller1342

11 ай бұрын

No, it didn't! There are still PKK terrorists in Sweden freely operating and ''protesting'' with PKK flags and pictures of it's terrorist leader!! PKK is recognized as a terrorist organization by DOZENS of countries including EU, US, UK, Spain, Japan, Australia etc. And supposedly Sweden banned them as well but they could still do this, Turkiye will never ever accept this moronity...

@alexanderdjurisic3122

11 ай бұрын

UKRAINE❤️USA=CIRCUS ZELENSKYY 🤡 EUROPE 🐑🐑🐑 NATO 👺

@williamdavis9562

11 ай бұрын

@Ph11p3540. Don't you think it's a bit awkward to join a collective defense organization while at the same time financing armed groups which are blowing up schools and hospitals in a member state of said organization? Anyone who follows what is going around the world knew it was going to be trouble the moment Sweden put in their application.

Enough of blackmail

@ggoddkkiller1342

11 ай бұрын

No, it didn't! There are still PKK terrorists in Sweden freely operating and ''protesting'' with PKK flags and pictures of it's terrorist leader!! PKK is recognized as a terrorist organization by DOZENS of countries including EU, US, UK, Spain, Japan, Australia etc. And supposedly Sweden banned them as well but they could still do this, Turkiye will never ever accept this moronity..

Next summit Erdogans new condition for Sweden to join is Russia joining Schengen.

@massinakmin8340

11 ай бұрын

in 2008 Russia did ask for nato membership. NATO did not accept..Just to show that nato is an anti Russia alliance and not an anti USSR alliance. By the way.. why is Ukraine still using infrastructure from the ussr? does this mean Eu and western money goes in corrupt government pockets or means ussr had better engineering that makes the infrastructure still stable? Both bad answers lol.

@Piccyman1

11 ай бұрын

It seems to be the way its going, never ending list of demands

@jmhorange

11 ай бұрын

@@Piccyman1 Nah this is a legitimate demand, that the Turkish people would back unlike the terrorist demands which were just a concern of the Turkish government. Like if he got this demand, he'd allow Sweden into NATO no prob. It's pretty smart politics because his people won't push back and say give up on this one. Personally, I'd rather Turkey neither in NATO or the EU, but from a political point of view, hats off to Erdogan, well played.

@Eduard.Popa.

11 ай бұрын

😂😂😂😂😂

@ggoddkkiller1342

11 ай бұрын

No, it didn't! There are still PKK terrorists in Sweden freely operating and ''protesting'' with PKK flags and pictures of it's terrorist leader!! PKK is recognized as a terrorist organization by DOZENS of countries including EU, US, UK, Spain, Japan, Australia etc. And supposedly Sweden banned them as well but they could still do this, Turkiye will never ever accept this moronity...

The EU shouldn't give in to his blackmail but slap him with crushing sanctions. He understands only the language of power.

@anwerNZL

11 ай бұрын

That will happen weather you like or not!!

@anmnou

11 ай бұрын

Exactly! Bullies only know top or bottom...always top whatever bs they are pulling.

@dronur6194

11 ай бұрын

The European Union cannot impose sanctions on Turkey.

@josepha.r5839

11 ай бұрын

Can't do that. It would tip the balance of Turkey cozying too close/closer to Russia. EU is in a very difficult situation.

@Guardian__Angel

11 ай бұрын

@@josepha.r5839 Can do that. Can afford that. He can't.

It has been enough now. We are so much more like the Swedish than the Turkish when it comes to culture and general values. The Swedish can be trusted on their words, we can't say the same about Erdogan. This is now the THIRD time he comes up with new conditions, which by the way, are every single time only based on his own interests. As western united countries we can't tolerate this situation any longer. The Swedish even sacrified some of their ethical norms to meet the earlier put conditions, we can not expect them to sink any lower. If there is no other solution, we have to choose our friends. Sweden in, Turkey and Hungry out. The last two aren't too democratic either. There must be a way to archieve that.

@nvelsen1975

11 ай бұрын

Well, the word of the Swedish... Ikea's been claiming to put together a closet that's simple to assemble for years now. All lies! The blasted things make rocket surgery seem simple by comparison! Always a couple screws left when you're done!😉

@ulfosterberg1979

11 ай бұрын

@@nvelsen1975 that is only because you are a very unable person.

@Merecir

11 ай бұрын

Funny that. Because after the recent election of a new right wing government in Sweden there were talks bout taking "measures" against Sweden. Apparently having a democratically elected national conservative party give support for the new government was enough reason.

EU will make a huge blunder if it allows Turkey to be part of the EU.

@NikoBellic04

11 ай бұрын

The EU is never going to accept this blackmail.

@mehmetarif9088

11 ай бұрын

while exploiting thanks to the customs union. You are so right.

@vipecrx

11 ай бұрын

There's one thing I wu that also exists in Nato. Veto. Any country, however small, can veto.

@NikoBellic04

11 ай бұрын

@@vipecrx Yeah but Turkey is exploiting their veto power for their own gain.

@peabase

11 ай бұрын

No danger of that happening. Turkey comes nowhere near meeting the Copenhagen criteria.

Just ignore Turkey and accept Sweden

@MusicIsLegal

11 ай бұрын

They can veto it... All members need to accept membership same for the EU

@matthewspiteri19

11 ай бұрын

Yeah that's not how that works 😅

@mikicerise6250

11 ай бұрын

The US should leave NATO, form NATO II, then invite everybody who was in NATO except Turkey and Hungary to join the new NATO. 😂

@bonito34

11 ай бұрын

Ignore hungary too

@AORD72

11 ай бұрын

@@matthewspiteri19 change it then. Start a new alliance without Turkey.

Erdogan changes the rules at the last minute, exactly like a dictator.

@ChristosNikolis

11 ай бұрын

@AORD72, he’s exactly like Darth Vader on StarWars 5: “I am altering the deal; pray I don’t alter it any further.” 😂 he thinks the dark side is more powerful

@erwinz5926

11 ай бұрын

@@ChristosNikolis 🥲 isnt it more like the bazar scene in life of brian?

@ChristosNikolis

11 ай бұрын

The Life of Brian haha! 😆 @therealworld548 Erdo was voted indeed, then he gave extra powers to himself, then he appointed judges, imprisoned opponents, and owns an important part the media. The most efficient dictatorship is the one you don’t feel. So, an efficient quasi-dictatorship. He also serves for 5 years each time, not 4. He also has NO limited number of times he can be elected, unlike the President in the US, who cannot rule for more than 8 years. But hey, that’s my opinion. You keep believing what makes you feel happy in your comfort zone, brother. Peace.

@theancientsancients1769

11 ай бұрын

​@@ChristosNikolisAll the people detained were part of the coup plot by some EU countries sponsored! Now could can't take place in Turkey anymore

@josepha.r5839

11 ай бұрын

@@erwinz5926 That was too 'nice'.

France has been the biggest opponent of his EU membership

@Kartoffelsuppe_m_Wursteinlage

11 ай бұрын

Merci pour mes amis! Vive l'amitié franco-allemande ! Vive l'Europe de Charlemagne!!

Extortion, I believe they call it.

To me, the best thing would be a parallel NATO, version 2, with invitations for key countries to join and automatic kick out if defense spending goes less than 2% and other mechanisms for membership removal. Once a baseline number of members are in, they leave NATO version 1. This way, Sweden would be in automatically with Article 5 protection, Turkey and Hungary would be out from NATO v2, and a smaller contingent of powers to negotiate Ukraine's onboarding. Turkey and Hungary can be invited to join when improvements to their governance have been made. This "forking" of NATO can also be used to get countries who spend too little (looking at my own country Canada) to get the federal government off their duff and build our military back up.

@quinncreel6091

11 ай бұрын

Europe doesn't need that instability right now though.

US, UK, and Sweden (and potentially Australia, South Korea, and Japan) should form a secondary military alliance. On the borders of the authoritarian nations each flank covered by the other...

@marinhosantos1929

11 ай бұрын

I agreed. NATO nuclear powers (US, UK and France) should make a separate military alliance with Sweden. To defend Sweden in case of Russian attack.

How about we ban Turkish companies from getting EU money through various contracts? Seems sensible enough

@rapidrat

11 ай бұрын

How about EU take 5 million Syrians who wants to live there?

@GSorinYT

11 ай бұрын

@@rapidrat how about you handle your borders in the first place?

@pingukutepro

11 ай бұрын

Big lost for EU and entire western side

@Nizarh139

11 ай бұрын

Turkish border is like sex 🏪 shop. You pay money for entrance get your job done and move out.

@serebii666

11 ай бұрын

@@rapidrat Why should the EU take "5 million Syrians". How is that at all relevant to Sweden joining NATO?

Sure we can discuss it , NO - that was a quick discussion

We now see how Turkey will even abuse their veto worse, once their completely in. The Swedish are out real brothers, when it comes to our cultures and democracies. We should cherish them more.

@Ofasia777

11 ай бұрын

As much as I generally agree with you, real brothers would have joined NATO earlier, not now when it's convenient to them.

Contrary to what the many comments here are complaining about, this is not a matter Turkey entering the EU but rather to re-start the process of evaluation, which is absolutely a good thing for everyone (especially for the Turkish population)! In order to enter EU (as well as NATO) there is a bunch of criteria that have to be met (that's why also Ukraine is not yet in, btw). I would see this as an opportunity for stimulating the Turkish political scene to organize a pro-European political party (like it happened in many Balkan countries, as well as for Ukraine) and with time renovate the country meeting those criteria (if the Turkish people want it). It will take years, at least a decade, but this is how stable political/societal changes happen (who says the contrary is either naive or in bad faith). Recent history showed how keeping Putin in the bad's corner all the time has not been a productive strategy for stability and peace.

@josepha.r5839

11 ай бұрын

Good post.

LoL NATO has nothing to do with EU, so bye bye Erdogan. Btw Sweden did support Turkeye into EU, but guess what I think that sail has passed..

@hot2warm

11 ай бұрын

EU and NATO are linked at the hip.

@adelalmohtaseb5261

11 ай бұрын

Sweden didn't support turkey into EU don't make stuff up.

@lawtraf8008

11 ай бұрын

Sweden didn't actually

@nenasiek

11 ай бұрын

That was Finland, not Sweden.

@Gaminglife-sf1oz

11 ай бұрын

They didn't

This clearly shows that turkey doesn´t have what it takes to become an EU member

@williamdavis9562

11 ай бұрын

That is the idea. They don't want EU membership. This is simply their way of saying they're digging their heels in over Sweden. Which makes sense if you really think about it, it's awkward for Sweden to try to join a collective defense organization while at the same time it has been financing armed groups blowing up schools and hospitals in a member of said defense organization. Nations are sensing the EU's weakness and don't mind dragging them through the mud.

@theancientsancients1769

11 ай бұрын

As if the EU is more important than than NATO lol Why can't the EU save Ukraine? Turkey wants not to join the EU at all! But it wants to renegotiate the current trade deal

@narniadan

11 ай бұрын

Who cares about EU! EU is just a tissue to clean our bum. That's it.

Next up: Trump will exit US from NATO unless US is accepted as EU member 😂

@everypitchcounts4875

11 ай бұрын

USA will leave NATO if the majority of its members continue freeloading from the alliance.

I’m Norwegian, and we aren’t in EU neither want I that my country join it, luckily for me, my population has voted no to join EU twice, and the recent survey in 2023 says about 67% says no to EU, while 13% says idk. But I think for europe in general, it’s better to have Sweden out of Nato, then to have Turkey in EU. Having turkey in EU, will allow Turkey to be more influential in - such as if EU dont do this, we will veto EU’s condemnation of China’s human right abuses (which Hungray and Greece) have done before, who are heaily dark funded by China, under China’s «16+1 program»

Turkey shouldn't even be in NATO, let alone in the EU

@Stantheman4444

11 ай бұрын

False Turkey is one of the most important NATO members. Get out of your feelings and think about this from a geopolitical perspective. Their location is important to the alliance.

@delos2279

11 ай бұрын

@@Stantheman4444 true but at some point you have to wonder if Turkey would really uphold Article 5 or other alliance commitments when they're ruled by an autocrat who acts like a mob boss. In any case this is very clear evidence why Turkey is not a good fit for the EU, with it's current government at least.

@jacqdanieles

11 ай бұрын

​@@delos2279very valid concern 👍

@Corny80

11 ай бұрын

@@Stantheman4444 Turkey is exactly that; false and twofaced, and if at all, only an ally om paper at this point. I would expect treason from the turks the very minute Russia had attacked NATO - they are in terms of loyalty and values completely worthless to the alliance.

@ggoddkkiller1342

11 ай бұрын

No, it didn't! There are still PKK terrorists in Sweden freely operating and ''protesting'' with PKK flags and pictures of it's terrorist leader!! PKK is recognized as a terrorist organization by DOZENS of countries including EU, US, UK, Spain, Japan, Australia etc. And supposedly Sweden banned them as well but they could still do this, Turkiye will never ever accept this moronity..

I knew it. I suspected this was Erdogan's play all along. Anyways, Sweden is as good as being in NATO because they are sandwiched by Norway & Finland. EU shouldn't kneel to Turkey's blackmail. Also, doesn't Erdogan know EU & NATO are 2 different things?

@mysterioanonymous3206

11 ай бұрын

There's also a mutual defense agreement within the EU so there's that... We can always have them as guests in NATO exercises for interoperability. As to Turkey... That's gonna be fun. We should tread carefully however. They're quite significant in terms of geography, size and capability.

@jmhorange

11 ай бұрын

I think he knows the difference. I'll be honest, politically, he's very smart. Turkish people will be happy with that demand so he's getting something for them. It puts the EU in a tough spot because the terrorist thing was pretty weak and his government's concern. This though would have the full backing of the Turkish people. Make no mistake, leaving Sweden outside NATO makes NATO look weak like it can't follow thru on it's own plans. It's just a question of which is more valuable, weakening the EU or strengthening NATO?

@axeltavarez1367

11 ай бұрын

@@mysterioanonymous3206 I have just recently learned that there is in fact a mutual defence agreement for the EU. Though you have to go all the way up until article 42 to find it. Edit : it was Article 42(ex Article 17 TEU) not 47.

@Arcaryon

11 ай бұрын

⁠@@jmhorange Look weak to whom? Russians are getting killed via our support every day and still they don’t dare to lift a finger against us in the open. The EU can’t afford Turkey and NATO can’t afford to weaken the centrepiece that’s guaranteeing that peace in Europe lasts since the whole point of the alliance is the security of Europe. Sweden is protected and Erdogans games, while entertaining, can not hide the fact that his entire system government is slowly collapsing due to self made problems.

@mysterioanonymous3206

11 ай бұрын

@@jmhorange EU is strained enough as it is - there's no way Turkey gets into the EU. No way. They may dangle a carrot but it's not happening. The EU accession process is what it is, they'll never satisfy the requirements even if they tried.

When will this happen?

The moment Turkey joins EU, that will be the end of EU

@theguybehindyou7418

11 ай бұрын

If Turkiye joins EU, all other members instantly will leave and let Turkiye alone there.😂

The mere fact Erdogan links these two issues as a kind of non-negotiable deal makes me dislike the idea of him getting any say in the EU. Furthermore, they have not met any condition as yet and with Erdogan they won't meet the most...Thus, here I draw the line.

@Arcaryon

11 ай бұрын

The EU will never admit regimes that don’t uphold the core values. And Erdogan absolutely doesn’t even come close to them whatsoever.

@gorillaguerillaDK

11 ай бұрын

Yeah, sure we can rekindle negotiations when he has let Sweden into NATO - then we can, once again, send him a long list of all the changes Türkiye need to make before having a realistic chance to join the EU!

@ggoddkkiller1342

11 ай бұрын

No, it didn't! There are still PKK terrorists in Sweden freely operating and ''protesting'' with PKK flags and pictures of it's terrorist leader!! PKK is recognized as a terrorist organization by DOZENS of countries including EU, US, UK, Spain, Japan, Australia etc. And supposedly Sweden banned them as well but they could still do this, Turkiye will never ever accept this moronity...

@D-E-S_8559

11 ай бұрын

Tell us why Turkiye is good enough to die serving Nato's ambitions, but the same Turkiye is NOT good enough to eat from the same privileged EU table....??? Instead Turkiye, is made to eat scraps off the EU plate, alongside the Africans in the kitchen. And guess who does all the cooking for the gluttons western corporate's...???

@exshenanigan2333

11 ай бұрын

Turkey has met most Copenhagen criteria. Claiming they haven't met any conditions is false.

This seems like a great argument against e.u membership.

@D-E-S_8559

11 ай бұрын

Tell us why Turkiye is good enough to die serving Nato's ambitions, but the same Turkiye is NOT good enough to eat from the same privileged EU table....??? Instead Turkiye, is made to eat scraps off the EU plate, alongside the Africans in the kitchen. And guess who does all the cooking for the gluttons western corporate's...???

@williamdavis9562

11 ай бұрын

That's the idea.

Well that's one creative way to say "no"

Finland is enough defense. No WAY Turkey deserves to be in the EU

EU doesn't need another autocrat, we already have Hungry creating problems for us all...

@scratchy996

11 ай бұрын

Orban and Erdogan : EU ain't big enough for the two of us. They should do a deathmatch with axes in a ring. The one who survives gets a t-shirt.

@Kartoffelsuppe_m_Wursteinlage

11 ай бұрын

A core Europe if the founder nations is sufficient. No need for the Visegrad guys, who want money but install their dictatorships. Vive l'europe de charlemagne!!!

@solce809

11 ай бұрын

How is Orban an autocrat?

@ggoddkkiller1342

11 ай бұрын

No, it didn't! There are still PKK terrorists in Sweden freely operating and ''protesting'' with PKK flags and pictures of it's terrorist leader!! PKK is recognized as a terrorist organization by DOZENS of countries including EU, US, UK, Spain, Japan, Australia etc. And supposedly Sweden banned them as well but they could still do this, Turkiye will never ever accept this moronity..

This is straight blackmail. If Turkiye joins EU imagine the new migration problems we will have...

@RamaKrishnaYeleswarapu-kj4en

11 ай бұрын

It will not be migration problem it will be death of european union it's values culture everything.

@JD-vh4hl

11 ай бұрын

imagine problems that Middle East and Africa suffer from you

@adamjo5287

11 ай бұрын

@@JD-vh4hl appearantly only males suffer, because there is no females coming in. Care to explain why? And please don't say females too scared or fragile to travel which is laughable.

@user-wy4mr9oh4s

11 ай бұрын

@@JD-vh4hl Middle East and Africa never take responsibility.

@JD-vh4hl

11 ай бұрын

@@user-wy4mr9oh4s you talk a bs

As someone who is half Turkish, I feel nothing but a hot wind in my ears whenever Erdogan speaks.

@theancientsancients1769

11 ай бұрын

I'm full Turkish and think Erdogan is someone that has been voted by most fully Turks

I am looking to London for reactions. As in I want to check if they manage to keep a straight face.

From Portugal, yes Sweden in Nato no to Turkey in EU

@asmirann3636

11 ай бұрын

Why is Portugal even in EU ?? What do you contribute to EU ??

@marcothebarber764

11 ай бұрын

Where are you from??

@marcothebarber764

11 ай бұрын

1000%Sweden

@akpl4210

11 ай бұрын

Hallelujah 😂!! don't be loud, EU wish to see Portugal and Greece out, I suggest you stay quite, don't draw attention on Portugal now 😂

@bonito34

11 ай бұрын

Agreed.❤

Erdogan making Boris Johnso seem like a reasonable person,...

@peterking3186

11 ай бұрын

😂😂😂

Nothing more than blackmail. He pressured Sweden's into accepting his demands and now he's reneging and asking more. He'll just continue. Kick him out of NATO.

People seem unable to differentiate the talks about joining EU and EU membership.. they have been in talks before. Starting talks doesnt automatically mean joining the EU.

This is blackmail and disgraceful behavior.

EU membership is earned not bought, talks could restart if when steps down or hits the grave

@RamaKrishnaYeleswarapu-kj4en

11 ай бұрын

Yeah why not kick Turkey out of nato ?

@scratchy996

11 ай бұрын

He will step down when he dies, same with Putin and Orban.

@ggoddkkiller1342

11 ай бұрын

No, it didn't! There are still PKK terrorists in Sweden freely operating and ''protesting'' with PKK flags and pictures of it's terrorist leader!! PKK is recognized as a terrorist organization by DOZENS of countries including EU, US, UK, Spain, Japan, Australia etc. And supposedly Sweden banned them as well but they could still do this, Turkiye will never ever accept this moronity..

there can be no common defense interest without common economic one

Boot Turkey out of NATO. No wonder Putin wets himself laughing at NATO.

@hot2warm

11 ай бұрын

Turkey's one of the most geostrategic nations in NATO. The res of eastern and central Europe are just buffer zones for the Western european countries

@ggoddkkiller1342

11 ай бұрын

No, it didn't! There are still PKK terrorists in Sweden freely operating and ''protesting'' with PKK flags and pictures of it's terrorist leader!! PKK is recognized as a terrorist organization by DOZENS of countries including EU, US, UK, Spain, Japan, Australia etc. And supposedly Sweden banned them as well but they could still do this, Turkiye will never ever accept this moronity..

Turkey has that type of mentally of waiting until you are in a fragile situation to blackmail something out of you, and this should not be forgotten.

well that is blackmail!

@13BulliTs

11 ай бұрын

Its called Politics, but in this case it does not work in favour of Turkey, since they already overplayed their hands.

@RamaKrishnaYeleswarapu-kj4en

11 ай бұрын

That's what happens if you're friends with criminals

@derwolfpack3599

11 ай бұрын

Extortion?

@hot2warm

11 ай бұрын

What do you call US threatening sanctions to its allies?

@Kartoffelsuppe_m_Wursteinlage

11 ай бұрын

Same like Zelensky tries with NATO.

Turkey is a semi-authoritarian country. It is bad enough that it is a NATO member. It isn't mature enough to join the EU. The EU already has enough problems with Hungary.

Seriously, stop pandering to turkey. Instead of giving them something, start threatening to take things away if he doesn’t fall in line with NATO rules. Turkey needs NATO more the NATO needs turkey.

Forget about it!

EU should sanction Turkey further for holding an EU member hostage. The Turkish economy is fragile and in decline. They'll change their tune.

@adelalmohtaseb5261

11 ай бұрын

They sanction turkey beyond belife their is no longer sanction to impose

@Delta8Alex8Gar

11 ай бұрын

Or same like Mexico more pro China, Turkey can be more pro russia and china too

@agape_99

11 ай бұрын

We buy alot from EU too, ban all too then 👍

@elenas4878

11 ай бұрын

Yeah, sanctions worked so well for Russia! Turkey,s economy is fragile but Europe's economy is dead!

@Defeatedwarrior..

11 ай бұрын

Thats the only language turkey and erdogan would understand but weak western politicians incompetent and weak enough to do that

if turkey wants to play hardball, turkey should know it will not turn out well for them.

@crhu319

11 ай бұрын

Yes it will.

@mehediimran8256

11 ай бұрын

Remember turkey is the most important country in NATO

@mgordon1713

11 ай бұрын

@@mehediimran8256 Lol what?

@mr.min1ster928

11 ай бұрын

@@mehediimran8256Ah yes Turkey😂, not the US, Germany or France but Turkey

@Corrector-cq2ze

11 ай бұрын

@@mehediimran8256 Turkey only matters for the Bospherus strait. Nobody truly expects Turkey to show up if a NATO country is invaded.

Its like a hilarious cartoon character this guy Hahaha

Please get reporters who doesn't blink with their eyes every 5 second....

I expect Cyprus would have something to say about that? And Greece. Our chancellor has already said nope.

@akpl4210

11 ай бұрын

Cyprus!! isn't it in Turkey!?

@sidy6526

11 ай бұрын

@@akpl4210 No , and i am not even from Europe. Except a handful of 5-10 countries , no one accept Cyprus to be part of turkey

At some point the turkish people must be able to see how ridiculous this is? Like, whether you're for or against NATO or EU or Turkey's position in the world in general, Erdogan has no consistent message or ideology and keeps shifting the goal posts from day to day. Now he's begging to join a club he has villified for a ten years, why would he _want to_ if everything he has told his people for the last decade was true?

@E3ECO

11 ай бұрын

Why would they? Russians have yet to see through Putin, nor cultists through Trump.

@fisk0

11 ай бұрын

There's apparently a reply to this which doesn't appear whatever filters I try to sort by. Anyway, Erdogan said in 2017 that he'd do as the UK and turn his back to EU. 'He said Brexit had given Britain "peace of mind" and that it was "walking towards a new future".' Why would he want to join now?

@aren624

11 ай бұрын

Erdogan is bluffing, he really wants is money.

@scratchy996

11 ай бұрын

@@fisk0 For the sweet EU money and trade agreement. Also, he saw what a "blessing" Brexit turned out to be, as expected.

@scratchy996

11 ай бұрын

Turks don't see what a snake he is, because like most people nowadays, most Turks are imbeciles who fall for cheap populism.

In Greece they told many tourist sites have Finns and Swedes and Norwegians for the first time summer 2022 and even more 2023. It's because citizens in those countries did not want to go to Turkey like before. As they do not like what Erdogan is doing. Yes, Turkey can replace them with cheap Russian tourists, but Russian tourists do not really bring revenue. So Erdogan is hurting Turkish people and Turkish economy hard.

@AmateurPainter651

11 ай бұрын

Yess

@ahmedmohamed-gx9xe

11 ай бұрын

Turkiye doesn't need them.

@Kartoffelsuppe_m_Wursteinlage

11 ай бұрын

Turkish people voted for Erdogan, let them feel the consequences.

@AmateurPainter651

11 ай бұрын

​@@Kartoffelsuppe_m_WursteinlageNot both

NATO should consider giving backlash to Turkey. At the moment Turkey just keeps thinking of new things to demand.

Well that goal post changed fast

If I was a Swede, I would just say, okay well then we are out of NATO, see you ! That would leave Erdogan in a very difficult situation, and Turkie would lose a lot of credibility !! Anyway there is NO way we would let Russia invade sweden , without stepping in NATO member or not !

@biornr.4031

11 ай бұрын

I'd love to see Sweden join NATO, but this is becoming farcical. Nordic alliance, let's go

@MadSwede87

11 ай бұрын

as a swede I agree this hole deal has gone on long enough. Russia is not the threat we thought it was and we are quite safe through EU and our neighbours plus we got a quite good air force

@akpl4210

11 ай бұрын

Next day, Putin in Stockholm!! Swedes have great occupation resisting skills!!! 😂 Read history

@MadSwede87

11 ай бұрын

@@akpl4210 if I getting you comment right do you think Russia can just walk in to sweden I hope at least you get some money for selling your self like that or maybe you are a bot more or less the same thing

@ahal_gokdepe

11 ай бұрын

lol .bruh cmon.. Russia can wipe out sweden from the existence of the earth..

USA could just penalize Turkey and impose sanction or tariffs if Turkey doesn't comply.

At this point I couldn't care less about getting accepted to nato. Any decision that anger Erdogan seems like the right one at this point

Turkey is far trouble than it's worth. Bad economy, bad leadership, bad diplomacy. The only thing it has going for it is an incredibly important strategic location.

@elifoezturk88

11 ай бұрын

So true .

He'll keep raising the bar.

Yes, we need this trustworthy country in EU.

Kick em out of Nato and keep em out of EU

When Erdogan refuses to admit Sweden, NATO should immediately put forward a proposal to make accession to the alliance is based on a majority vote… And this proposal should be majority based

@AlexandreLuiz-ph8ns

11 ай бұрын

Agree

@hayhey762

11 ай бұрын

Well, if everyone isnt willing to defend the country, the alliance will quickly fall apart

@loneprimate

11 ай бұрын

@@hayhey762 Yeah, that's the problem. There's also the fact that, if we're being honest, the US does most of the heavy lifting. What if the rest of us vote to admit someone and the US doesn't want the obligation?

@scratchy996

11 ай бұрын

Can't do that, a majority vote is against the core belief of an alliance like NATO. The mistake was the thinking that democracies can't turn back into dictatorships. In the last years, we have proof that any democracy can turn into a dictatorship. NATO and the EU should have been two-tiered from the start. Core members and partners.

@potato_nugget

11 ай бұрын

That's not how an alliance works. A member joining NATO means that all of the other members agree to protect them. If one of the members doesn't agree, the alliance may as well not exist

Found that on Mastodon: "Accept us into a partnership of states that we can then paralyze with our vetoes, then we will withdraw our paralyzing veto in another partnership of states."

do yourselves a favor, don't let Turkey into the EU. At least not under their current political regime.

You guys are so serious. Erdogan is just messing with you. Everybody knows that this request has no validity.

Turkey joining the EU would honestly vindicate Brexit, and probably lead to a huge rise in Euroscepticism across Europe.

@paraphrase100

11 ай бұрын

The EU has accused and criticized Turkey for human rights violations and deficits in rule of law. This is some of the reasons for not letting Turkey in as a member.

@Oluinneachain

11 ай бұрын

Every EU member state has the right of veto on third parties joining. And every member state has to agree. So the UK ( or Malta) could have prevented Turkey joining by whatever means relevant. Absolutely no vindication of the racist xenophobic scaremongering of the English right. But no need to worry, it’s not going to happen.

@mundord6042

11 ай бұрын

@@paraphrase100 Human rights violation?

@williamdavis9562

11 ай бұрын

The EU has no interest in Turkey and Turkey has no interest in the EU. Turkey is simply trying to make Sweden's entry into Nato as difficult as possible. Nations are more likely to leave the EU than enter it at this point.

@mundord6042

11 ай бұрын

@@williamdavis9562 Turkiye basically has interests in eu like travelling countries easy, economical support

They should start having discussions about expelling turkey out of NATO and move to do the same to Hungary

@pakde8002

11 ай бұрын

Tell them to hit the BRICS

@SkepticalChris

11 ай бұрын

BRICS won't go far with India and China at each other's throats. China is facing heavy economic problems since Covid, South Africa's economy is in freefall and Russia's economy has been hit hard with sanctions. Only India is doing well and Brazil is relatively stagnant.

@annaannan6840

11 ай бұрын

Turkey is located right between Europe and the Middle East. Has several NATO bases with for example, 50 nuclear weapons and a radar station located about 500 km from Iran that is part of NATO missile defence system. Turkey is as a NATO member acting as a protective barrier between Europe and the Middle East, as it is neighbouring Syria, Iran, and Irak. And Turkey has the second biggest military force in the Alliance (US has biggest). And if Turkey goes down and it’s (higher above sea level land than it European neighbours ) is taken over by religious extremist forces that are hostile to Europe . All of us will be experiencing our own version of Syria combined together with a civil /religious war….. Are you sure Europe doesn’t need Turkey ?

@user-vw4ui5gz6b

11 ай бұрын

​@@annaannan6840 Yes, we are sure. Your opinion represents Turkish opportunism and fear mongering perfectly. If Ukraine had that mindset, they would have lost the war in the first weeks. We don't need more of that inside the EU. We need countries with positive morals and ethics. That is what keeps an alliance and democracy healthy.

@zerototalenergy150

11 ай бұрын

@@user-vw4ui5gz6b 👍

Then how many more conditions will he chuck in last minute? Give back northern Cyprus ?

*Just don't let Turkey into the EU*

But Turkey's in Asia.

@derwolfpack3599

11 ай бұрын

With middle eastern beliefs.

@Piccyman1

11 ай бұрын

@@derwolfpack3599 Don't you mean 8th century beliefs?

@recepleventaltuntas8469

11 ай бұрын

😂 Europe is our playground since thousands of years. Central Asia is our thick root. The pope bow down when we come to Europe. We are descendants of Atilla the Hun GoekTurks, Genghis Khan and the Ottomans. We were here and there everywhere under the sky is our land. Every body enjoys our friendship and ruling no one enjoys to be enemies with us.

@starcapture3040

11 ай бұрын

@@derwolfpack3599 and so is Christianity mind you

@Piccyman1

11 ай бұрын

@@recepleventaltuntas8469 what?

The word blackmail comes to mind here.

Turkey's NATO membership never seemed quite right. They've got one foot in the water of Europe and the other in Asia. It's not a situation that creates much trust. His friendliness towards Russia should be alarming enough to keep Turkey out.

If Turkey still declines, throw them out of NATO. Not interested in their Bazaar-President anymore...

I’ve never understood why NATO members don’t vote in a rules change (say, 90% NATO member agreement to admit new members) ?

@Arcaryon

11 ай бұрын

Because states hate giving up power. If a rival were to want to join for example, a state would want to veto the decision and removing this kind of liberty is therefore extremely tough.

@pursuepower4011

11 ай бұрын

It's because article 5 has never actually been invoked and the alliance only works if 100% of it's members follow through. Would you want to be in an alliance that votes to bring in a nation that you are not fond of, and then be forced to fight for that country? The first time that happens and another nation backs out the alliance becomes useless.

@AL-lh2ht

11 ай бұрын

@@pursuepower4011article 5 has been invoked

@vomm

11 ай бұрын

@@pursuepower4011 Do you really believe in Turkey would participate in a war against Russia if article 5 takes place?! They would attack Greece instead.

@williamdavis9562

11 ай бұрын

It won't work like that. It's a delicate thing when every single member is legally bound to go to war to defend another. If they aren't all on board, article 5 becomes toothless and brings the entire organization into question.

This move by Erdogan is clearly a new evidence that his strings to Putin is stronger then thought.

@peterkimera7676

11 ай бұрын

He is an hypocrite

@ggoddkkiller1342

11 ай бұрын

No, it didn't! There are still PKK terrorists in Sweden freely operating and ''protesting'' with PKK flags and pictures of it's terrorist leader!! PKK is recognized as a terrorist organization by DOZENS of countries including EU, US, UK, Spain, Japan, Australia etc. And supposedly Sweden banned them as well but they could still do this, Turkiye will never ever accept this moronity..

@williamdavis9562

11 ай бұрын

@Jonesjones, If that was the case Finland wouldn't be in Nato. Finland joining Nato really put the Russians in a bind. After Finland joining Sweden joining or not joining doesn't really mean much to the Russians. This has to do with how angry Turkey is with Sweden over certain things. They're simply not going to budge easily. Making the EU request is proof of how much they've dug their heels in. Making requests on things they don';t even want. Just to drag the process out.

@chinavirus841

11 ай бұрын

@@peterkimera7676Europe is hypocrite

@SusCalvin

11 ай бұрын

There is a bunch of EU/NATO nations who think they can still find some middle zone between the EU and ties to Russia. It doesn't necessarily mean they are allies of Russia, some of them like the sudden middleman options available.

Next he will say give me Vienna and I will think if we can approve lol

@bonito34

11 ай бұрын

Vienna makes grwat business with putin. Same thugs

Sweden should make it known that if Turkey doesn't approve its' application after it has already met the agreed to conditions set by Turkey, it will reassess its relationship to the Kurdistan issue and perhaps offer military equipment to support the Kurdish militias in Syria and Iraq... maybe some MANPADS...

How about the EU and US make weapons exports to Turkey conditional on Sweden's NATO bid?

@NoidoDev

11 ай бұрын

Or access to the western financial system... Or the access and privileges the already have towards EU ...

@agape_99

11 ай бұрын

Lol at least russia sells air defencd systems while we are literal neighblurs of isis/taliban/pkk missile threat, seems like we cant even get f35s we funded a share in its manifacturing process, its business as it seems here goin

@Redisia

11 ай бұрын

​@@agape_99 DId some reading lol... the air defense system is the primary reason there where questions about turkey's f35 program membership. "At least" should become "Because"

@robertwilkinson8421

11 ай бұрын

Great idea.

@akpl4210

11 ай бұрын

Great, please do, then Lockheed Martin CEO will come crawling!!! and president will be !!! ok fine, sell them !!! 😂 EU and USA worship money beside Jesus, and when it becomes Jesus or Money, Money prevails!!!

Create a new NATO. And only for countries that can meet basic requirements for a democracy, with a sharp separation of courts, police and politics. But also respect for human rights in legislation as well as in practice. And then the requirement must be a minimum of 3% of GDP for the military.

@WeeWeeJumbo

11 ай бұрын

easier said than done, but more to the point, NATO needs Turkey

@serebii666

11 ай бұрын

"minimum of 3% of GDP for the military." Then the only members would be Greece and the USA. What a gigantic waste of money lol

@HedgehogZone

11 ай бұрын

Not really we could mine the bospurus and bam turkey is completly worthless!

@farzad6908

11 ай бұрын

SuperNATO or NATO+ (without Turkeys)

@coryburris8211

11 ай бұрын

One of the basic conditions for democracy should be term limits on the head of state, no more than 10-12 years

Constantinople and the Sea of Marmara should have been given to Greece at WWI, and Turkey should have been kept in Anatolia alone. They're intractable, and the only thing of value is their geography. If Greece controlled the Bosphorus & Dardanelles and the coast of Marmara, the western alliance simply wouldn't need Turkey.

@derviss

11 ай бұрын

Hahaha greek dream

So apparently blackmail isn't off the table in the UN? This is ridiculous.