Hi guys, I love your work. Sorry I just don't have e the time to watch the whole podcasts. With all the "evolved horsees", there's a lot that could be inferred from mulefoot pigs. Check them out. Funny thing is many have been crossed with different minipigs, so literally from the same litter there can be piglets with regular hoofs and some that leave little pony tracks. When I see "three toe'd horses" being used to explain evolution, I can't help but think of them. A buddy had one that would run up and flop on her back to get her belly scratched, so got a good look at her hooves.

Something I've wondered about is if some of the kinds that Noah took on the ark were domestic versions of a wild kind i.e., a pair of domestic horses and a pair of wild horses, or a seven domestic sheep and seven wild sheep. This may explain why there is very early reference to domestic animals in Genesis. I remember on your podcast with DR. Jean Lightner you discussed the idea that kinds on the ark may not have been the same as the kinds that God created.

@mmaimmortals

Жыл бұрын

Matthew, That is an interesting question you asked. Personally, I don't see a need to take a domestic and a wild version of anything on the Ark. But I also think that Genesis chapter 2 offers some insight to your question. Particularly that Adam gave names to all of the land animals. This may seem like a bit of a stretch, but I do think it has good theological merit: namely that in giving them names, Adam is actually describing their role in nature. What do deer do for the environment? What do possums do for the environment? What do gorillas do for the environment? Not surprisingly, they each perform a function that contributes to the overall recycling process of plant material that we can observe. Deer "mow the lawn" so that we can navigate fields and they don't get overgrown. Possums dispose of excess vegetable matter (waste) and churn the dirt for future growth. Gorillas are the horticulturists of trees and fruit. They break off lower limbs and pick fruit. A tree with too much fruit doesn't produce as healthy of a product as one that has been pruned. The implication of Adam naming the animals and their having an environmental role strongly implies that animals were domesticated from the beginning of creation - i.e. they were created domestic. Their wild nature stems from the fall and subsequent disunity between men and between men and the animal world.

I would like to know if any creationists put any multi toed horse and single hoof horse into one created kind. As in one particular version of each grouped together.

How long do you usually take to reply to emails sent to you?

@GuardianSoulkeeper

8 ай бұрын

At least a year.

Good to see that you guys don't censor your comments and allow people to discuss. Many young earth creationist outlets censor comments or don't allow comments. That's commendable even though I disagree with your assertions.

@rachybaby72

Жыл бұрын

They don't "censor" on their channels because they are afraid; they discuss and debate all the time and you'll see it on their channels and others. They don't allow (I'll be polite) "interesting" notions or hostile/belligerent people to sneak into their home, as I wouldn't allow it in mine...

@IIrandhandleII

Жыл бұрын

@@rachybaby72 hostile belligerent people into their home? Huh? I'm talking about opposing views here... not breaking and entering. Are you a young earth creationist? Something tells me yes.

@rachybaby72

Жыл бұрын

@@IIrandhandleII "Huh", right back. I know what you're talking about and my point still stands. And just because you have "opposing views" doesn't mean we're obligated to listen -- we're not politicians and this is not a debate. And trust, we've heard your "opposing views" ad nauseum, for decades/all our lives, so there's nothing new there. Is that last line supposed to be a dig, or a way to invalidate what I said? I'm not a young nor an old earth creationist -- I believe in God and that Jesus is the son of God and that is the only important point on the table... *EDIT:* And (triggered) militant atheists are "hostile"/"belligerent" and downright rude/nasty... And before you go off, I never said you were hostile and belligerent.

@IIrandhandleII

Жыл бұрын

@@rachybaby72 yes triggered non religious and triggered religious folks alike are both vile. Definitely agree with you there.

@rachybaby72

Жыл бұрын

@@IIrandhandleII There are no triggered beligerent and hostile Christians who make it their duty to venomously come after atheists... People love to play the 'both sides' card when they don't want to admit it's only one side...

if there was a global flood covering all the land for nearly a year -- never mind the animals, where did all the plants come from? Only a very few seeds, such as coconuts, can survive in water for more than a week.

@Xenosaurian

Жыл бұрын

There would no doubt have been massive amounts or rafts of plant materials floating on top of the floodwaters, and plants back then were probably much more durable than their degenerate descendants of today considering they were closer to creation.

@billjohnson9472

Жыл бұрын

@@Xenosaurian rafts of grasses? rafts of trees? they can't survive in water. even Darwin found that 10 days was the limit for most plants. So as a plot saver you have to invent the idea that only a few thousand years ago plants somehow were more durable. all of it is nonsense.

@Xenosaurian

Жыл бұрын

@@billjohnson9472 Yeah, their modern more degenerate descendants may not be very well fit for handling water as their more durable diluvian ancestors probably did, since again they were much closer to creation than the modern day and had not yet gone through the extreme pressures to adapt in post-diluvian environments and continue gradually devolving since the state of creation was corrupted at the Fall in Eden. Why would that not be a perfectly acceptable hypothesis? With this response, you're clearly not thinking through this honestly but are deliberately looking for ways to reject the biblical accounts.

@billjohnson9472

Жыл бұрын

@@Xenosaurian there is zero sign of "gradual devolving" - by what measurement are you claiming that this happens. on the contrary plants are much hardier that they have ever been in the history of the planet. look at the work of norman borlaug "the man who fed the world" as an example. you are just fantasizing. this flood event is supposed to have taken place only a few thousand years ago. we have records, and even plant genetic samples from around that time that totally disprove any theory of a different nature of plants.

@mmaimmortals

Жыл бұрын

@@billjohnson9472 “...flood covering all of the land for nearly a year...”?? It doesn’t seem like you are familiar with the Genesis text at all. Where did you get this idea? It didn’t come from Genesis. Where did the plants come from? There are many natural solutions to this that don’t require any special pleading or wild imagination. Noah took seed and “all food that is eaten” with him on the Ark. So there is one source. Second, a basic course in plant biology might help. Plants can survive for extended periods of time in a wide variety of conditions. It doesn’t all round to purely submersed in water, or growing on exposed “dry” land. The land began to appear 3 months before Noah et al got off the Ark. Plants grow and reproduce exponentially faster than animals. Especially grasses compared to large mammals. Three months is a huge head start for plant growth as a necessary food source. Trees can grow from nothing more than roots in the ground. Seeds of all types can easily survive in sediments below the water line. When you understand basic biology and the plain text in Genesis, it is perfectly rational for a dove to bring back an olive leaf a month or so before they disembarked from the Ark.