We tend to overglorify the past. Waseem isn't untouchable. He belongs to an era where cricket wasn't as batting friendly as it is today. He could rely on reverse swing because of 1 ball being used most of the time (1992 being an exception), and let's not forget how easy it was to tamper the ball at the time. Bumrah has none of these advantages and to be such dominating bowler in today's era easily takes him above the likes of Wasim Akram. And yep, i'm saying this as a pakistani

@shashankethane

29 күн бұрын

Exactly! Like when comparing batsmen we say that current generation batsmen have it easier then why not apply the opposite foe the bowlers?

@palsoumik7

24 күн бұрын

Blasphemy

@muhammadusman-lj3de

19 күн бұрын

@lordiblees what did you smoke?

@lordiblees

19 күн бұрын

@@muhammadusman-lj3de a strong joint of facts affirmed by data

@muhammadusman-lj3de

18 күн бұрын

@@lordiblees dear just look at your own arguments i.e. you spoke about batsmanship... etc. bumrah is bowling to batsmen with FAR lower skillset compared to what bowlers from 90s had to deal with i.e. waughs, lara, sachin, kallis, dravids, ponting, gilli, and the list just never ends.... you lack the basic understanding of cricket I'm afraid.

Stats shouldn't be seen in isolation. Jadeja played just 22 balls and scored 35 runs. That's SR of 160 and went for 106 in 14 overs that 7.57 Economy. He was India Sixth bowler and Eighth batsman. Having him at no 8 gives India assurance that they can go hard at the top, in case of collapse, Jadeja will score a 45 ball 50 and take India to a par score. And Jadeja is very good at not getting out and scoring without any risks. He can score that 45 ball 50 7-8 out of 10 times. And he saves you 5-7 runs on field, and at best, he is a good defensive bowler. So, overall a plus.

@naumanrupani

Ай бұрын

You gotta ask why is he the 6th bowler and 8th batter and just an insurance policy. He has unfortunately faded. I always rated him very high, and feel in white ball he has (or made to) underachieve. As you said, he had the potential to actually take over Yuvi's spot at 5, being even a better bowler than Yuvi. For some odd reason he never got a shot there.

@ranjotrakkar6663

10 күн бұрын

​@@naumanrupani agree bruh white ball me jaddu ne waisa impact nhi dala kabi kabi test me wo one of the best all rounder hai

Bumrah's last 2 overs is like a black hole event horizon - an invisible threshold which you don't see - but once cross you can never come back.

jeez analogy of jadeja to imad.............that is some dreamy evaluation

umpire mehnat kartha to verify catch ?? these people are not able to digest the fact that India won and finding ways to downplay the win !!

@manisshthakur621

Ай бұрын

@@bhargav38They are butthurt, and rightly so, considering how India treats Pakistan on and off the field.

@vikasjha8742

28 күн бұрын

Exactly 💯💯

Ahmer is so sad😂😂😂

Jadeja has been excellent in test matches and ok in odis but not so in t20s. But in no way you can compare to imad wasim.

@manisshthakur621

Ай бұрын

@@shashankethane Only an idiot would compare Sir Jadeja to Imad Wasim.

@banditonehundred

Ай бұрын

Sir Jadeja is best all rounder of this generation, especially given the longevity of his career.

@ranjotrakkar6663

10 күн бұрын

​@@banditonehundrednah bruh best all rounder me test me stokes aur white ball me Pandya jaise bhi ate hai baki jaddu one of the best jrur hai Red ball me

The Episode had everything for Indian audience from great analysis to usual Pakistani salt about "unfairness/biasness" (Sky's catch).😜

@viratyadav2213

Ай бұрын

I have found you on yet another cricket podcast, you're everywhere

@zealpanchal7224

Ай бұрын

@@viratyadav2213 😅

Shaun Pollock perfectly replied about Suryakumar Yadav catch and unnecessary controversy. 😂😂

@mayurkanth6987

Ай бұрын

There isn't any controversy. It's a made up thing by pakistanis

*In Munnabhai's voice* "Wo Raat Apun 2 Baje Tak Piya" - AHMER NAKVI

Imagine Bumrah with just one white ball, reversing from over 35. Wasim never had to play with 2 white balls in ODI cricket.

@omer6472

Ай бұрын

World cup 92 had two new balls

Ahmer and Osman.. I am one of those older Indian millennials who remembers how I always wanted ONE Indian bowler who was just Right Arm or Left Arm Fast without a medium attached to it.. You guys with you array of Fast bowlers through the 90s and 2000s and even now would never know this feeling… I still pinch myself every time I see Bumrah pick up the ball that yes India has a fast bowler and an all time great at that. It’s hard to describe what Bumrah means to people of my generation Love the pod

ya ya... Bcci got favor from ICC say that directly guys.. You dont need to beat around the bush when you decided to rip it off anyways.. And talking about richard kettleborough... he's the integral part of many India heartbreaks (if you guys think anywhere he is being biased on that catch..) if that was taken by any SENA countries there wont be a discussion on that catch.. As you guys said yourself that asian teams are not capable in holding to such catches.. come on man.. Honestly, they deserve to win this tournament.. This match is just a replay of Ind vs Pak.. they used the same strategy to dry up boundaries and bowling tight..

Last ICC Trophy that India won, Champions Trophy 2013, Jadeja build the innings and scored some crucial quick runs, and then took crucial wickets. He was basically the player of the match in the finals. Also, throughput the tournament as well, he was India's second most important player after Shikhar Dhawan.

you guys are forgetting arshdeep who bowled the perfect death overs that meant pandya had 16 to save

@jokepore1532

Ай бұрын

Pandya ignited the debacle with klasen's wicket.

@Sohaib19874

Ай бұрын

@@jokepore1532 true all of them had to bowl perfect overs and they all did that

@heretichello8253

14 күн бұрын

It was the greatest death bowling from overs 15-20. The match was in South African hands until 15

We won this world cub because we did not depend on 2-3 guys ...almost All people contributed whenever needed .. and self belief was at another level .. and bumrah is GOAT without him , rohi , Kohli would never had won it

The best thing about this Kohli and Pant both bought into Rohit's Vision of aggressive style of play. These Guys though they have huge range of strokes (more so in case of Pant) usually take their time to settle in, access the pitch, and then go on the offensive mode. Kohli we all know, even Pant, whenever he has played a great test knock, he started off very slow and then he picks his spots, which shots to play against which bowler, etc. The best thing is India has finally bought into the Eoin Morgan Style of playing T20 cricket and now, they got players to do that. Now, they are looking for 30-35 avg but 150-160 SR instead of 45 Avg 135 SR like of players.

50:43 shut up Jaddu rocked his hairstyle throughout his career.

@BattaFast

29 күн бұрын

He didn't wear a bag over his head which is what my issue was. Hair is great but why have a bag on it looks stupid

What Axar Patel did for India in this tournament ..Jadeja did that for India in numerous tournaments including the 2013 Champions trophy..he was the man of the match in the final also...and a gun fielder ...probably the best in the world.

@Riuytfhjklf4634

Ай бұрын

Sb glat, he never did that in T20.virat was man of the match in final

Bass kardon pagloon rulaoo ge kya......😂😅😅❤❤

Has there ever been an opposition player who's gone from being so unliked (to put it mildly) to becoming so widely loved in Pakistan as Virat Kohli? It's so insane to see the love he gets here.

@viratyadav2213

Ай бұрын

well not unliked but I think Bumrah definitely went from being underestimated, being called "polio gumrah", being ridiculed for that no ball to Fakhar Zaman, to being acknowledged as a genuinely terrifying bowler.

@khiladi2002

Ай бұрын

@@viratyadav2213 I can see that but I feel that people genuinely love Kohli. It's quite unprecendented. There used to be respected players but Kohli gets proper love.

@BattaFast

Ай бұрын

Polio gumrah hahahahah wtf

@abhijithashok2564

Ай бұрын

Kohli was always liked half because of his performance half because he was good looking bumrah ain't that handsome if he's liked in pak its all because of the performance​@@khiladi2002

@omer6472

Ай бұрын

You have to realize that Kohli was needlessly batameez and overly aggressive at the start of his career. He has mellowed down a LOT. And the performances have continued, he actually comes across as very humble now. That's a reason too.

Ye dono milke nazar laga denge Bumrah par 😢

FYI, it was the grass which moved due to sky's shoe spikes when zoomed in, and the boundary cushion was unmoved all the way through, so stop crying 😂.

Just like the likes of Kohli and Babar Azam are not comparable to the likes of Tendulkar and Lara (because modern cricket is so batter-friendly), Bumrah is not comparable to the likes of Wasim/Waqar in the same way: they played in a relatively bowler-friendly era.

@heretichello8253

14 күн бұрын

Bumrah is much better bowler than Wasim and Waqar in white ball cricket..Wasim and Waqar are hittable not bumrah

@aziz1737

14 күн бұрын

@@heretichello8253 true

Famous cricket writer Osman salauddin right ? 😮. I am great great fan of his art of writing . I follow him on twitter.

It's not important what Jaddu actually did, since he operated as an empty signifier for India in this WC. Batters could play more freely knowing that he was still in the pavillion, and bowlers could bowl with a bit less pressure knowing that Jaddu could sneak in an over or two.

Bhailogs, great pod. Poignant discussion. Loved it throughout

What a fab podcast boys ! Perhaps you missed speaking about the big bear Rohit Sharma. Surely he deserved some airtime 😊

Iss baar "dozakh kay shahzadey" finals mein nahin pahunchay 😅😅😅

@sabertrat

Ай бұрын

dozakh ke shahzado ko India aur Afghanistan ne dumba banaake maara hai

Good analysis ! 👌👌🌹

The reason they were so hurried in last over is it has started drizzling and they wanted to complete the match but yeah plz carry on with conspiracy

Love you Usman, Love you Ahmer ❤

On the contrary, Bumrah did take those 2 early wickets against Australia in CWC 23 Final,. & He did beat Head a N number of times, Travis head was really lucky + brave to get through that phase & won the WC for Aus,.. Bumrah has been simply sensational in almost every game he turn out for India irrespective of the format. Hes simple invincible & unplayable at times, delivered at so many crucial times for india. His Conversion rate in terms of building the dot balls pressure to take a wicket is just remarkable.

I finally gathered the courage to watch this after two days. The inevitability ...

@KICK839

2 күн бұрын

What's so inevitable about watching a video. Death thori hai. Mat deko

Naqvi bhai, We pull your leg not troll. However, Boom is not Wasim's match. India has produced good fast bowling talent post Srinath, Prasad, Agarkar era beginning with Zaheer. However, India is yet to learn how to develop fast bowling talent into Great Fast Bowling pairs or better, packs. Also, Indian Domestic Cricket scene is yet to leverage Fast Bowling by producing wickets which respond to good Fast bowling. Domestic scene in India is Batting dominated. The Tennis Ball Cricket is Tennis Ball NOT TAPE BALL. Even there, it is about innovative hitting than bowling at express pace.

Grew up watching Wasim and Waqar, but Bumrah is leap ahead of them, I would say possibly in Test McGrath was tad ahead of Bumrah but not in white ball.

Just see the different angle from fan mobile u will get ur ansers

I am surprised that no one has spoken about Kuldeep's catch to dismiss QDK. I think, in the context of a cricketing moment, his catch was as important. Kuldeep had time to think about the catch, the context, to fret about " shit , what if i drop this?" and that makes the catch harder.

Umpire aur mehnat karta? Ahmer bhai aapse ye umeed nahi thi.....you've got to be kidding me

@sg0912

Ай бұрын

Man is jealous. Takleef huyi hai usko.

@sabertrat

Ай бұрын

bolne de bhai taqleef hua hai usko

Respectfully, the gap between Bumrah and Akram is a lot narrower than Ahmed Shehzad and Babar. We all say batting is easier now, then by the same token, bowlers had a lot more going for them in Wasim's and Kapil's era . To command the kind of presence that Bumrah does in the 13 rpo , flat tracks, sound bats, small grounds era is legendary...

47:02 Punter had said it last IPL that 85% of times if a team loses 3 wickets in the PP they're not going to win the game. I have been counting these instances and imo it was more like 95% but this game defied POINTING!!! 🇮🇳🚀🔥

Wasim vs Bumrah is akin to Nostalgia vs Recency Bias. I just feel like Wasim's peak (possibly assisted by the condition of the ball) was more lethal than Bumrah's peak.

I also don't think that India was a far superior side. No, Maharaj and Shamsi are equally good spinners. Henrich klassen is the best spin basher in the world. I don't need to comment on Rabada and Nortje, De Kock is best WK batter in the world in last 10 years, Tristan Stubbs is a very good emerging talent, he was fab in the IPL and also scored 300 in FC cricket, he is their Jaiswal/Gill. Miller is off course amazing and so is Markram, Markram has hugely underachieved to his potential, (KL Rahul od SA) and Reeza Hendricks is good player too. The only difference is that India had all rounders in Hardik and Axar and they didn't.

Ahmer khoon ke aansu ro raha hai

@manisshthakur621

Ай бұрын

@@devarshi1301 Dil ko sukoon mila dekh kar. Gambhir Champions Trophy lift karega Pakistan mein toh aur bhi maza aayega.

@mrgyani

Ай бұрын

​@@manisshthakur621 OK, confirmed then - that we are not winning the CT in Pakistan.

It's such a delight to watch both of you talk about cricket.

Dude , there was no touch of boundary by Surya, check your source again properly, and check the different camera angels specially from side , it's pretty clear , so i request you to please done your homework thoroughly

@KICK839

2 күн бұрын

Exactly. Yeh dono tohra boka toh hai

Jadeja didn't have good tournament don't think he had bad hairstyle

@BattaFast

29 күн бұрын

The bag on his head???

Imad wasim is foot nail of jadeja. Jadeja won 2013 champions trophy, no 1 test bowler, no 1 all rounder. These duffer hardly know cricket or maybe they r born after 2020 😂

Bha Jadeja ka semi final 2019 dekho aur fir bolo.. Jadeja apne prime me catch aur runout se 2 out kar deta tha .. Jadeja is best all rounder

As Osman says, it's hard to compare Bumrah to Wasim simply because latter didn't play nowhere near the T20s. But do think had he then Bumrah would be more valuable because unlike Wasim, he wouldn't give you a pressure release ball.

are we seriously talking about Bumrah after a few years of performing vs Wasim ? As an Indian fan of the 90's, this is blasphemous at best.. what is the world coming to

@sabertrat

Ай бұрын

he's been that good in the span of these two years.. but yes let's see how his next 4 years go

@midfielderlounge2592

Ай бұрын

If he keeps doing this for 4 -5 years then out of 100 90% people would say he is better as of now he is greatest white ball baller of all time

@BattaFast

Ай бұрын

Hahahaha I KNEW 90s Indian fans would be up in arms to see their nightmare be compared to someone mortal

@heretichello8253

14 күн бұрын

The fact is Bumrah is better bowler than Akram and Waqar in white ball cricket. Especially in batting friendly generation. In Test cricket need to wait until Bumrah retires to look the stats. But Still he is unplayable in Indian batting tracks. 😂

Ok, the advertisement cushions in cricket grounds are arranged in such a fashion that even a small contact and it is supposed to move. The slight feather that you can see might be due to the air resistance's direction which will be in the opposite direction as the moving object's velocity/momentum (mass*velocity). when you come running at a certain speed, you push the air in your running direction that it turn results in air particles applying force in opposite direction (By virtue of Newton's Third Law). In simple words, if a truck crosses you on road, your shirt flows due to air movement. Similarly when you running, you affect smaller objects around you due to air movement.

Only Pakistanis could see the cushion touched his feet, rest of the world has given the order to make the 👓 specs which Pakistanis wear

@laksmi0108

Ай бұрын

pakistanis can't digest India win.

Jali to hogi thodi si aapki😂😂

Thiss usman works for a company and not shy to troll his own employer !!

Ravi jadeja was motm in 2013 ct final, recently david loyd, steve harmisson in their podcast said jadeja is equal with stokes as best test all rounder , t20 hw was not tht good but yes he have the aura for his talents

hum bhi tumhien kuch or naam se bulate hn

Listen, as a pak cricket fan, this is a really bittersweet episode. on one hand, there is ahmer bhai, who has his finger (entire hand maybe) on the pulse of our desi culture. then there is osman bhai, who knows HOW to write about cricket, and who knows what the falooda is pakistani cricket. Usually, a sports team fandom is lucky to have 1 of these guys. We get both of them, at the same time, roughly the same age, doing a podcast during a bleak bleak time for pakistani cricket. its incredibly soul crushing (ok not that much) for me to listen to these 2 speak so passionately about an INDIAN win. dont get me wrong, i am so happy for rohit and co and bumrah for what they have achieved. I am so delighted to see rahul getting his due. And dont get me started on kohli. But it should have been us. Ahmer and Osman should have been taking about Naseems last 2 overs, Saim's career definiing knock in the finals, Rizwan's crazy catch, Babar's on field kaptaani, or Shaheen's early opening spell. But there is nothing, just broken dreams. 2 giants of pakistani culture and cricket talking with so much love about our "professional/emotional/whatever" rivals. So yeah. i will keep returning to batta fast always because its a loving community hosted by these 2. But for once, for once, i want a 1 hour episode, where we are discussing this current lot winning a trophy. Lots of love to india, deserved champions.

@sabertrat

Ай бұрын

wow.. I can't relate with you but surely it must hurt seeing the Pakistani team in the state that it is now.

@BattaFast

29 күн бұрын

What a lovely beautiful comment. For you dost just remember that Lambi hai Ghum ki shaam par shaam hi toa hai. Indians themselves waited 11 years for this moment despite having such great sides. And while it's not the same you can Google the pipy episode for when we won the CT

@BattaFast

29 күн бұрын

Also just so you know this comment will fuel me through the next phase of laziness or despair I will come across. Will remind myself of what you said here and use it to find my will again. Thank you.

@troylostie

29 күн бұрын

@@BattaFast ❤️

huge fan guys. screw the haters/trolls ahmer, deep inside even they know they come here because such honest and perspective-offering (i dont think this phrase works but you get the gist) discourse is missing from general cricketing conversation. loved your entire world cup coverage, especially the afghanistan episode 👌👌

@viratyadav2213

Ай бұрын

ahmer is very opinionated tho.. usman is chill

@shendisreenivasan

Ай бұрын

100 % agree

Bumrah is great, keep an eye on these two guys - Karthik Tyagi and Mayank Tyagi. These are your next generational talents, they got the skill, yeah, and they also clock 150 and you guys love pace as well. There are 6-7 150 guys but these 2 are have great wrists and control.

The Question on Naqvi bhai's mind must be, How will the Fascist Regime in India spin Indian Team's success for Hindutva PR 😜🤣

@mrgyani

Ай бұрын

Credit jeevi PM & IT cell already on it - to hog limelight. - team taken to Delhi first thing after landing, to take picture with Supreme leader - 7/8 pics from bcci handle have Jay Shah - J Shah everywhere from giving trophy, to welcoming them in airport

Pair nahi laga tha Usman bhai 😊

@bhargav38

Ай бұрын

They cannot digest the fact that India won !! they will find excuses to downplay the win !!

Awesome guys, another indian advanced millenial enjoying the discussion and reliving the moments of nostalgia alongside the discussion of the current generation

40:02 - They have.. 😂 Indian uncles have compared that catch to Kapil Dev's. 41:15 - if that were a 6, it was pretty much a guaranteed win for SA. Miller would have been on the crease and they needed just 10 off of 5. And even Rabada & Maharaj were able to get 8 off the remaining 5. And remember Hardik bowled a full toss. He somehow gets imp wickets, but his bowling wasn't perfect at all. 43:48 - actually he wasn't that close to the boundary. The top angle clearly shows he was pretty far away from the boundary. I can send you screen shots on social media. 48:59 - Indian spinners and bowlers looked ordinary in the 2023 ODI final as well, when aussies smashed them. And against Eng in the semi final when we lost by 10 wickets. (and against Pak too when we lost by 10 wickets). There's something to be said about this

@sabertrat

Ай бұрын

Ahmedabad had a second inning dew factor throughout that world cup. Just look at England vs New Zealand and India vs Pakistan there. Very similar games.

@mrgyani

17 күн бұрын

@@sabertrat we lost mainly because 'the powers that be' created a slow pitch. And ironically that was the only type of pitch where India could lose against Aus.

great podcast, a bit disservice that you guys have so low subscribers, a guess sign of times that any analytical discussion is hard for people to enjoy.. and to all the Indian dudes who were expecting only praise, these guys are more balanced than most Pakistanis on the street.. pls don't look at all analysis with your biased view

26:06 to 26:12 He is blushing like a teenged girl infatuated by Wasim 😅😅😅😅😅

What's the name of the little cutie cat?

@BattaFast

Ай бұрын

ciggy

The greatness of bumrah is unprecedented as he is bowling in the era of batsmen scoring 260 runs in t20s and on the longevity part no bowler can play as long as players of yesteryears just due to the shear no. Of matches and formats. Anyways an awesome episode.

54:37 Mayank Yadav yes & Abhishek Sharma opening the bat. Watchout for upcoming allrounder Reddy as well.

52:00 India effectively carried 3 players through the tournament ( Dube, Kohli and Jadeja ) and still went unbeaten. I mean the rest of the teams should be ashamed.

@sabertrat

Ай бұрын

other teams had their fair share of people who never performed that well. It was Reeza Hendricks for South Africa.

@KICK839

2 күн бұрын

Only jadeja . Kohli played motm innings in final. Dubey played excellent against usa as well as in final with 16-27 runs. Jadeja did play one quick knock in semis though.

Jaspreet bumrah better than Waseem 😂😂😂😂😂😂😂 respect for both the legends

Jadeja primarily plays as a fielder

Umpire thoda mehnat krta.. This statement reflect your deeper biases.

Karachi Khatmal should classify his humor/jokes as: for Millennials: People of scarcity, telephone booth/pager era & uniform content for Gen Z: People of abundance, internet/mobile/WA/FB era & never ending variety content.

@BattaFast

18 күн бұрын

Can you explain more what you mean I am genuinly intrigued

@vjchats7684

17 күн бұрын

@@BattaFast Observation: Your humour/jokes/pun/sarcasm has a reflection of the 80/90/2000's era when things in general were either scarce or limited. E.g.: Weekly Ptv/DD serials & occasional match broadcast without highlights. Gen Z Indians/Pakistanis at home or abroad despite access to information will not get the vibe of: Pak team having the Sharjah & Friday edge. Panache & swagger of IK on Indian media and celebrity circuit. Pak producing class fast bowlers in assembly line. Miandad last ball six/Shoaib Akhtar fear/Chennai test loss.

@BattaFast

17 күн бұрын

@@vjchats7684 beautifully said. I'm glad I asked for details.

@vjchats7684

17 күн бұрын

@@BattaFast Big fan of your content(AV & writing). Love, respect & best wishes from India.

Bhak salon😂😂😂 Reach ke liye itna bhi mat bolo - wasim is wasim - no comparison Bumrah vs wasim comparison is only relevant once Bumrah hangs up his boots

Cricinfo ka agla naam comments mai bataye

@namrahshafiq

Ай бұрын

Lol yes I'm intrigued

@BattaFast

18 күн бұрын

Cricindia. Thought that was pretty mainstream but maybe it's too old or obvious now

35:00 You blaming SA batters but waha pe bhi Harbhajan Singh ko chhake marke Joginder Sharma se out hona nahi banta tha!! But wo bhi to ho gya.

Rip

Mayank Yadav. 156.4 KM/Hour

@sabertrat

Ай бұрын

I hope he doesn't turn into another Umran Malik.

Another controversial take: Bumrah’s ball to Hendricks was a GREAT ball, no doubt about that, BUT it wasn’t the GOAT level ball at all! Jesa sab portray kar rahay hain!

@midfielderlounge2592

Ай бұрын

It was a goat level ball in t20s it was not test that too on a flat wicket it was the best ball of the tournament any best ball of the tournament is one of the greatest ever

How's it going

Great analysis. Very balanced. Please ignore hate comments from a lot of indians. Keep it up. Best wishes from India ❤

Batta fast ko change krdo..

Aap majboor ho hamare cricketers ki tareef karne ke ly. .. Umpire ne puri mehnat ki to see that the catch was legal., apki takleef samjhte hai hum. Social media pe catch ka video available hain jakar dekhe. Har waqt kuch foul play hi dhoondhte rahna.... How pathetic u ppl r.

PKMB

We used to make fun of bumrah by calling him "kachra" from lagaan movie.

Bumrah better than Wasim? Lol you're high bud and this is coming from an Indian. Wasim is the greatest period. Wasim, Steyn the best to ever to do.

Cry more

The toblerone movement has two videos circulating, where there is a movement and another one where there is none. One is edited for sure. Secondary consideration would be air disturbances due to movement around it

@sabertrat

Ай бұрын

are yaar.. 😮‍💨 there's literally multiple angles already which showed his foot was many centimetres away from the boundary. It wasn't even a different of millimetres as all these people are pretending.

@anonymous-bs1xb

Ай бұрын

@@sabertrat I know, I've seen the video posted by ICC, and there is no movement. But hey, controversy is engaging ..lol