He's rambling again, and I love it!

Excellent video and series, I have learned a lot so far.

Love how you explain things! Now time for a stog!

@brandonmcdonald6121

3 жыл бұрын

Tonight, I will be as well!

Best explanation of walk back tuning I have ever heard.

@brandonmcdonald6121

3 жыл бұрын

Glad to hear it

@WadeTheWild

3 жыл бұрын

@@brandonmcdonald6121 is there any way on Gods green earth I could speak with you over the phone possibly? I’ve had bow tuning issues for over a year and an a major tinkerer (is that a word? 🤔). Regardless I have many questions and think you would be a great resource to discuss these things with. My email is wadestew@gmail.com Hope you have a great night, sir!

Great stuff bud keep it rolling man🏹

Did everyone else have a moment in their heads that went, "I like big nocks and I cannot lie".......? Or was that just me?

Love how you experiment with everything!

@brandonmcdonald6121

3 жыл бұрын

My wallets getting tired of it!

Thanks for the refresher that I was looking for. I used this method in 2014 to setup my Hoyt factor 30. Just went to liter limbs and new custom string. Now I am double checking my center shot. Hopefully my arrows will still work, so far so good.

Thank you I had slight nock pinch my arrow was lifting slightly then would set down on the rest. I didn't think this was an issue until I watched your video and once I fixed it i started getting better groups!

I did this exercise today, it was super fun. Knowing my L/R is dialed is awesome but also knowing what my drop is from 10, 20,30 out to 60 was super cool .. thanks man!

@brandonmcdonald6121

3 жыл бұрын

I should have mentioned that as a byproduct of the walk back tune. There’s a reason I don’t shoot a 20 pin on my hunting site.

Great vid keep up the awesome work!!!

@brandonmcdonald6121

3 жыл бұрын

Appreciate it!

Great video! Sometimes I have trouble with my meat sack! I am really enjoying this series!

Thank you for sharing I am Forrest Earnest. You already know my current bow and arrow set up from last fall. I shot it again and am shooting far left and down from my aim point. I have two almost touching and a flier. Sometimes I feel like I'm shooting with a rifle with a scope that's knocked off, but in bow form. I'm horribly inconsistent. I believe I need a new sight that is truly lefthanded and not ambidextrous. I am at the edge of my sight housing adjustment both vertically and horizontally. I am hoping to get my set up dialed in so that I can use it for turkey hunting this spring. West Virginia's season runs a month starting on April 19th.

I just did my first tune on a Mathews with the top hat system (2020 TRX36). Bare shaft through paper, followed by bare shaft on targets compared to fletched. Then a quick & dirty walk-back. Fist-sized groups bare/fletched at 40y!?! Surprisingly quick/easy to tune. Then did something a little out of the box by setting up a sight tape for Superdrive 23’s, and a second for Easton 6.5 Hunter classics. No changes to the rest, or knocking point whatsoever. The 6.5’s sight just a hair knock high, but shot just fine. I figured it would be a good idea for when I want a ‘casual day’ and do a walk through the outdoor 3D course with feinds, and not sling $20 arrows around. Really please with myself, and appreciated the vids walking me through it all.

Grate video good info easy to understand. Thanks

Love this series, hope your brother is okay❤️❤️

@brandonmcdonald6121

3 жыл бұрын

He’s doing great. Lots of good progress at his place

@cameronhauser1336

3 жыл бұрын

@@brandonmcdonald6121 wonderful news

One way I do it is get a old arrow hammer it into the ground. Put a level to it until it’s perfect straight. Then shoot. When you hit a arrow at 100+ yards you know it’s good. Love your channel

Definitely good basic info. The best way to not stuck is to get better at shooting your bow.

I find walk back tuning one of the best ways to truly see how my arrows and bow are performing. If I am shooting well

Once people discover this channel, Brandon is going to blow up... This has rocketed to being my favorite channel; even more then that psycho fairy channel...

@brandonmcdonald6121

3 жыл бұрын

Psycho fairy! Haha. Appreciate the compliment. Still enjoying making the videos

Well done, also good whiskey.

Just got a new sight... just in time for you to release the sight video. lol

@brandonmcdonald6121

3 жыл бұрын

Might take a bit! I’m covered up with ideas right now!

Love it!

I need to learn more about tuning. Just started bareshaft paper tuning with my new draw weight and stiffer arrow. Cannot tune out a tail left tear with the rest.

@CoachGoodwin23

3 жыл бұрын

Dillon: This might help you and I hope its not too confusing.... My apologies for the lengthy con-vab.... :) Step #1: make sure your rest's center shot is on i.e. your rest is square and level, correct measurement from the riser, etc. very important! In some cases, you can step back and eye ball your center shot by looking at the string, following the string down from the top limb, through the handle, through the rest, and see if the arrow is right behind the string or centered. Certainly not ideal, but you can see if your arrow is kicking left or right, in a pinch! Once you have confirmed your center shot is on, leave the rest alone at this point; you wont be adjusting the rest until you start to paper tune fletched arrows. Step #2: Finding the spine of each arrow? Simply nock an arrow and shoot it through paper about 3/4 ft away from the paper or so. Read the paper; it will be obvious! If its not a bullet hole, turn the arrow 1/4" turn, shoot again and see if you have achieved a bullet hole. IF not, repeat by turning the arrow/nock again 1/4" turn and shoot again; continue until you have achieved a bullet hole. IF you achieve a bullet hole or close to it, the orientation of the spine should be on top or up. Mark the arrow's spine and move on to the next arrow. IF the arrow is tearing up, down, left or right, the rest isn't the problem (yet), the arrow is - unless your center shot is off; but hopefully you have validated that in step #1. Step #3: Simply, repeat this adjustment/shooting sequence until you achieve a bullet hole with all arrows. This might take you one shot or possibly 4 shots ... but should achieve what you are looking for... Once you have achieved bareshaft bullet holes, you are now ready to fletch your arrows with the spine pointing up and, with the cock feather in the same configuration. Step #4: Start paper tuning with fletched arrows; now the rest does come into play. Read the tear and move the rest accordingly. There are hundreds of videos on youtube on what a fletched arrow tears are telling you and how to adjust your rest to achieve a bullet hole. **Remember micro adjustments - a little goes a long way in your setup**

I will have to try that

If I'm getting a 1 inch right tare with a bare shaft, is that good enough to throw vanes on and continue tuning with a little adjustment to be made?

@brandonmcdonald6121

3 жыл бұрын

How are they impacting at 20 yards with your fletched arrows?

I personally do not bare-shaft tune, as you stated it's as much the "meat-sack" as it is the bow. I also try to steer newer archers away from it as well, without a consistent form it's very difficult to do. I watched a newer archer spend 2 weeks chasing a bare-shaft tune only to get frustrated and not come back to shoot for over a month. It kind of sucks to watch happen, when there are others methods they can use to have a tuned bow. I do appreciate the at home methods you are showing for how to check your bow/sight such as 3rd axis, timing (even if that one was a little sketch), and paper tuning.

@brandonmcdonald6121

3 жыл бұрын

Sketch is my middle name!! I’m gonna bare shaft but probably not out too much emphasis on it being super important

Done walk back tuning with my last bow using a string line and some chain tied to the bottom to hold it still. Ended up destroying an arrow on final distance when it hit the chain but at least I knew it was spot on.

@jcagle89

3 жыл бұрын

A guy at my club did the same thing. He used a padlock to weigh the plumb line at 60 his arrow nailed the lock and blew up.

@hendo6366

3 жыл бұрын

@@jcagle89 my arrow hit the chain and ended up in the middle of the link, yes it smashed the tip into the shaft so never going to shoot that arrow again but it lets you know your spot on at least

This episode timed perfect . I broke down and got a new CBE Engage sight (waiting on an Axcel Accutouch coming) and in sighting in some of this will come into play . Arrows shouldn't be an issue , same arrows from and for the other bow's ALL GOOD ! We also have Sh%$#%%^%T weather here up north (Canada) so this episode I'll try later this week at home or our range The episode with Nate was really good you two where funny but technically good Will you be doing more with him ????

Are you running the accu glide launcher?

From your last few videos I have noticed you have a Hoyt Redwrx hat on, is this a hint at the bow you bought this year?

Riddle me this... Hitting left, means arrow is planing to the left, which means tail is right.. Which means a right paper tear, which means move your rest left... I’ve heard several arguments go both ways, towards and away from where the arrow goes. I honestly get both views and I have no idea

@jasenlarue6733

3 жыл бұрын

Exactly. Why not just move your sight then? I guess if you hit slight right and move your rest slight right, and it’s worse, then you did it wrong :)

@J_Staub

3 жыл бұрын

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@J_Staub

3 жыл бұрын

Yes, I was under the same impression about moving the rest for left/right miss the same as paper tuning (opposite of what you may think). Great channel tho..love the content and will have to play with it both ways.

@F22Ra

3 жыл бұрын

@@J_Staub I know one is with broadheads and one is “walk back with field points”. Dudley says the opposite of Kellen. I totally respect both dudes, opposite sides though.

@J_Staub

3 жыл бұрын

@@F22Ra I know, right! I saw the Dudley one also and thought “ok starting with Kellen way if if they don’t fall perfect or it goes opposite then switching to Dudley’s (and this) method”. I was shooting mechs last couple of years and now going to fixed (single bevels) so have all summer to get this right.

No rush… but when’s the next “episode” coming? What’s your current set-up? You’ve left me hanging for a few months. Between you and ElkShape, I’m going to try building my own arrows this season. I’m excited about the process, and it’s because of you and these videos! Thank you! 🙏🏼 Great work! 🤙🏼

IMO. Walkback tuning- the best? way to set up for broad heads. Nocks- for 15-20 years? all I've used is the Easton " g" in the large size. Never had an issue with nock pinch etc. Enjoyed your perspective.

Are you likely to get knock pinch when it pinches near full draw? Given that it is not in that position when it releases why should it matter? Just asking...

@brandonmcdonald6121

3 жыл бұрын

I’m not sure if it’s because it hangs onto the arrow for a few extra cm after it hits the string stop or if it happens earlier in the process.

I was having a hard time bare shaft tuning and paper tuning with my little bow. We kept changing the top hats and boom took a few trys. When I switched my grip after the bow was already tuned for me my shot was way off. My pro shop worked with me to get a perfect bare shaft shot. I could shot any fixed blade out of my 28 bow. Some ppl are just not willing to go back to the shop for whatever reason. Most shops will help you

@brandonmcdonald6121

3 жыл бұрын

Glad you got setup. It takes balls to say “I need help”

@MikeyWoomer

3 жыл бұрын

@@brandonmcdonald6121 I always go back to walk back tuning and bare shaft tune. If I can't get those two things to line up I get to a shop. Because I either need a twist somewhere or a top hat. Love your videos man

When’s the next episode coming?

Nice fixed blade broadheads is all I use.

@brandonmcdonald6121

3 жыл бұрын

If you can get them to fly, I think they’re the best

Fantastic explanation. Walk back tuning is a requirement for every bow I own. Did you confirm the arrow forgiveness from the stiffer spine? I recall hearing the conclusion. From my experience as a target shooter I have found that a slightly week spine is more forgiving out past 40/50 yards. Sidenote: an old school archery guru told me one time the first step to bareshaft tuning is two shots of whiskey to calm your brain and fast twitch muscles down.

@mjwynn41

3 жыл бұрын

Another note: I use a computer program to determine the optimum spine deflection for my bow setup based on the tip weight I want to run.

@chethans7491

3 жыл бұрын

Good tip I will definitely take the shots. Lol

I dont think there's significant value in walk back tuning for a hunting rig. I think it's a better idea to paper tune and then check/adjust for identical broadhead and field point P.O.I. Once that is achieved, then use your sight adjustments (2nd axis) to correct for L/R drift. Nudging your rest around is fine if you only shoot one head or the other ALL the time but you are potentially undoing the previous tuning that yielded identical broadhead and feildpoint accuracy. Also, walk back tuning is going to drive some guys crazy because they really need to have their sights set up abssolutely plumb first. If that isn't the case, you end up un-tuning your bow so that your P.O.I. matches a poorly set up sight. If you're going to walk back tune the first step should really be leveling your sight and verifying/adjusting by shooting a hanging string at close range through the full range of vertical sight adjustment. Even with this proper preliminary set up, I think the benefit is still debatable for a hunting set up.

stoogies and JD for breakfast? That sure looks like the eastern rising sun shadows..

What are you using for a sight

@brandonmcdonald6121

3 жыл бұрын

Black gold pro

I've read several people state that their best bareshaft tune and broadhead flight does not necessarily correspond to their best walk back tune, and that walk back tuning is not meant to fix arrow flight but rather to align things to the center of the bow. I suppose in theory if everything is right in the middle of the bow, then you should be fine but maybe not in practice. If this is correct, then what do you do if you achieve your walk back tune, but your arrow flight with broadheads has suffered as a result of it? If you fix your broadhead flight then you will ruin your walk back tune. Personally, I'll take good broadhead flight but with field points impacting 1" to the right at 50 yards (farther than I shoot at animals anyway). I don't know because I've always set my rest to center shot and then tuned my yokes to move my string to the proper position. Once I get field points and broadheads hitting to the same POI and with good groups at 40 yards, then my bow is aligned closely enough that if there is a small shift at extreme yardages then I'm not a good enough shot to see a small drift at long yardages. Regarding what you said about bare shafts, they are insanely touchy out of a fast bow at 20 yards and past. I shoot bareshafts through paper at close range and then can just skip to broadhead tuning at 40 yards. I move my string (and sometimes rest) at 40 yards until broadheads and field points hit to the same point. If you grip the bow slightly differently shooting a bareshaft going 300 fps and you are standing at 20 yards, then you can easily make a near perfectly tuned bow shoot a bareshaft 1 foot different in any direction. Half the time when I shoot a bareshaft poorly, it's just because I haven't had enough coffee or am stressed from work etc.

@brandonmcdonald6121

3 жыл бұрын

We are probably in agreement on this one. For me I will always make sure broadhead flight is where I want it to be before a hunt. This one is more to see if people are having a more extreme problem they can get it a bit more in line. My concern is a lot of guys who’s bubble is off are going to message me... obviously that can mask this issue. I know a lot of guys that get good paper then move straight to broadheads.

@MrShysterme

3 жыл бұрын

@@brandonmcdonald6121 Sounds good. I wonder what the best starting point on average is to then move to broadhead tuning? I've been using my starting point as setting rest to center shot. However, I wonder if setting rest to center shot, walk back tuning, and THEN use that as your starting point for broadhead tuning might be more optimal (?). I think bows with yokes or the new Bowtech or Elite systems might have an advantage here whereas you don't have to move your rest at all (sometimes).....and so starting from center shot rest position often gets you an acceptable result.

@F22Ra

3 жыл бұрын

@@MrShysterme I do this exact same thing with Mathews except I use top hats. I put a laser on string and arrow and generally don’t move my rest, if I do it’s under 2 micro clicks

Theres so many different ways to tune ive tried many different methods the best method i found for me is paper tuning with bareshaft start at 5yds end at 20yds when you get a perfect bullethole at 20yds through paper you could put a propeller on the end of that arrow and it will hit with your field points

Wheres episode 5?

Which TAC you doing this year?

@brandonmcdonald6121

3 жыл бұрын

Hopefully a couple. So far I’m on for South Dakota

@scottdill9393

3 жыл бұрын

Should go to southeast. Close to Nashville

28” triax, love it, but it is sooo hard to tune!!!!!

@brandonmcdonald6121

3 жыл бұрын

I hated mine! String angle was rough for me

I don't know man......I own 6 bows all are from 31"-33" ATA and I bare shaft tune but I make sure I shoot a perfect bullet hole from out to 20 yards and my bows shoot perfect with a field tip and a broadhead out to 60 yards. But I always wanted to try out the walk back.....I will soon and I'll compare it to my bareshaft tune and see if it's dead on which I think it will

@brandonmcdonald6121

3 жыл бұрын

Walk back isn’t the end. Bare shaft and then broadheads. There will be lots of guys that can’t get a bare shaft to fly right for any number of reasons and get frustrated. Trying to avoid that

I do the same thing but I will only use one arrow for this while I shoot.

@brandonmcdonald6121

3 жыл бұрын

I can see why. Controlling your variables

So a paper tune is just a start or are you suggesting we skip the paper and go straight to a walk back tune?

@brandonmcdonald6121

3 жыл бұрын

Do both. Paper is tough to actually get perfect, and can be confirmed by a few minutes of walk back. Paper gets you 95% of the way, but you’ll really see the issues when we go to broadheads so between walkback and bare shaft we get the rest of the way

Why would you think a heavy arrow would cause an arrow to leave a bow straighter?

@brandonmcdonald6121

3 жыл бұрын

I was thinking more about the increase in point weight not having as much influence. But it does

How to avoid building x-mas trees with your meat sack and big nocks. Got it.

@brandonmcdonald6121

3 жыл бұрын

Hahaha!

I know your going to bare shaft in the next video but I got to ask. Do you check the natural spin of the arrow before fletching. Left or right spin when it leaves the bow. Keep up the great content.

@brandonmcdonald6121

3 жыл бұрын

Yes indeed I do. Mine clock left so I fletch left. Lock tight broadheads and Ive never had an issue with them coming Unscrewed. I do have some single bevel coming so that may change some things

Top notch!

Everyone should shoot bareshafts its the absolute best way to fix form flaws...fletchings cover up to many imperfections...i truly believe it will make anyone a better shooter once they can group with bareshafts past 30yds

Me again I was shooting bullets wt Blackeagle outlaw 400 spine. But I uped my draw weigh. So now I shoot full metal jacket 340 spine. And I could not shoot them at the shop the glue needs 24hours to dry before you can put the field point in. Can't wait to shoot them. I hope they are bullets like the Blackeagle. And I shoot 20 yards my bows ata is 32inches. My ibo is 330.

I like shooting bare shafts. Then check how broadheads shoot.

Walk back tuning separates the men from the boys or the contenders from the pretenders. Not given enuff love. If u r hugging that tape @ every distance u r on the way to not hitting the brisket or guts. Those 2 things can ruin a week long hunt out of state & mess with your brain for a year. I'm totally in on Firenock. I bought a kit & caboodle from them with extras on everything. Taking my time cuz there is both a learning curve & break-in period. The key is consistency from arrow to arrow & I didn't want any outliers. Plus the fact that my 300 shafts will have the best of both worlds with more FOC & less nock flex. Still waiting on my Nexus 4 that I hope to have by April. Take care.

Flor De Las Antillas are the best cigars.

@brandonmcdonald6121

3 жыл бұрын

Cool, I’ll look at them. Thanks for the recommendation

Nock pinch, not only D loop. My bow (second hand) has a costum string and the centre serving was tight, real tight. Not sure on thread size, doesnt matter. I re served using finer thread, OH LORDY what a difference.......the only time loose is better......

@brandonmcdonald6121

3 жыл бұрын

Haha! The only time loose is better, indeed

Meat Sack!!! Hilarious

you might should point out that you get the same error if your third axis is out ...because for a further target you normally aim higher, and if your level / third axis is not correct adjusted, the change in aiming angle (higher) will cause aiming to the left or to the right...hence it is important to use the same pin and the same target all the time respectively don't move the ping pong ball....which means you don't change this aiming angle....

@brandonmcdonald6121

3 жыл бұрын

I think it’s a small enough change unless your rig is SUPER wonky it will be ok. What I’m more worried about is people stopping short because they didn’t figure out they can raise the target up a bit. I debated mixing in getting your site set for this one but it was going to be too long...

@WM-jy9dz

3 жыл бұрын

​@@brandonmcdonald6121 lots of archers think that third axis is only important if you shoot up or down a hill, but think about this: with a 350 gr arrow I get approx. 315 fps (3D ...in down under we are not limited to 300 fps) out of my bow....that means that the arrow - despite this good speed - drops over 60 meters by nearly 1,900 mm!... (you can calculate it via the equation [gravity/2]*[distance/speed]^2 ...the actual drop is even more as the arrow slows down due to friction pending on the fletching)....to compensate for this I have to change the aiming angle distinctly for a trajectory that will hit the target at 60 meters, and if my level respectively third axis is not correctly adjusted the position of the bubble will multiply the error: with the third axis out you will tilt your bow slightly to the left or the right (pivot point is your sight pin....hence your arrow sitting approx. 80 mm below gets shifted to the left or to the right!)...might be barely noticeable over 10 ...20 meters...but over 60 it might be easily 50 ..100 mm to the left or the right ...maybe a good topic for Epsiode 5 😀

@WM-jy9dz

3 жыл бұрын

...and to make it "clear as mud" why the error increases with distance: while the arrow moves slightly to the left or to the right with the sight pin / bubble as the pivot point, it needs to be taken into account that the anchor point - hopefully 😀 - doesn't change; therefore the arrow points now in an angle to the left or right side of the target ....and following the theorem of intercepting lines the error will increase with distance to the target ...

Talk to your kids about the dangers of #BareShafting

@brandonmcdonald6121

3 жыл бұрын

Haha!

Meat sack 😂

@brandonmcdonald6121

3 жыл бұрын

It’s true!

I’m not convinced that walk back tuning is of great value. The primary reason being that if you are missing 1/4” at 20 yards you will miss 1/2” at 40 yards. So not only do you need to remove all the error in your level bubble before you walk back tune, you also need to remove the very small left-right errors in your sight before you can walk-back tune. You might shoot 20 shots before you can start tuning and might mess up a good tune accidentally in the process. I think you’re better off bare shaft tuning at 20 yards.

Am I the only one who goes and buys whiskey and smokes to enjoyed with his videos.

He said "meat sack"...

I bare shaft tune, buy you're right, you can drive yourself insane if your form is off just a little.......

@brandonmcdonald6121

3 жыл бұрын

If I’m not feeling good I don’t even try

@michaelficarro2591

3 жыл бұрын

@@brandonmcdonald6121 LOL

The struggle of a solo cam and it's tunability....... Meh, make do I guess.