I dont think the tv show will ever make me feel the same way the books did. The show is completely a different story

The used what the girl saw under the table to show that there are people allied with the Dark One all over the place. The symbols we saw set up things we have seen in these three episodes or teased more of what is to come. For example, the little girl and her parent were the ones killed on the road that Perin and company found. We know this because of the sigil on the parents clothing. Padain Fain's stare at the girl forshadowed the violence against them. We saw an Aes Sedai ring. This lets everyone know infiltrators are withing their ranks. We saw the long fingernails of the Seanchan noble. Non book readers wouldn't know what that means until we saw the Seanchan later in the next episodes. There was plenty of foreshadowing in that scene.

@carolbriscoe9337

11 ай бұрын

Padan Fain killed a dark friend? I don't think so. The similarity of child's clothing and the murdered family is because it's the area's typical clothing. It just shows that the house used for the DF meeting is in the same county

@straighttalkwithkyle7947

11 ай бұрын

@@carolbriscoe9337 yes he did. Remember, he has Mat's dagger. The separate evil from that dagger and it's source broke Padan Fain away from the Dark One's control. He killed dark friends and dark spawn left and right in the books.

@csarmii

11 ай бұрын

​​@straighttalkwithkyle7947 I didn't see any of this in the episode. I would have to re-watch, but I don't think we have enough to connect those killed to the Social. Would be cool though.

@straighttalkwithkyle7947

11 ай бұрын

@@csarmii when the little girl goes under the table. She see a bunch of things. One of them was a symbol on clothing. That's the parent they were trying to talk to when Ishamael goes under the table and says they are having a meeting. Perrin later see's that same symbol on the first group of dead they come across. Then he has a vision of the massacre and sees Padan Fain chasing after that little girl. He was the only dark friend face we saw in that scene. He turned around smiling at the girl when she walked outside with Ishamael.

@csarmii

11 ай бұрын

@@straighttalkwithkyle7947 well, so both are tinkers? Or does the symbol mean something?

Thanks for your critical style, Nae'blis. This is what I look for, and I can't help but point out, we all have our things we'd prefer to be different in the show, right? For my money, I don't actually like the super-agility take on Lan's fighting style...I was hoping for a more serene mastery...but that could still be coming down the line, I tell myself to be patient, and let the show cook. For my money, I'm a bit alarmed at certain plot points, like the moving of Lan's bond or Nynaeve's M.o.B. speech to the Aes Sedai, being moved up so early in character arcs...but I'ma let 'em cook. It's my belief that no one, not even Rafe, is getting a 1-1 translation of their head canon. It's the content creators who only have, "this didn't sit well with me," and "I didn't care for this," "why didn't they do it more like in the book?" and fail to expound further, or offer charitable, self-counters that indicate fair observation. Or explain what the actual f*** they mean by "more like the book," that is INSUFFICIENT. In an ideal democracy, everyone is equally miserable, everyone compromises and loses things they'd *prefer* to have, so everyone keeps the things they can't live without. I'm not saying the show has achieved this yet, I'm just saying, I'ma let 'em cook, because in general, I like the smells coming from the kitchen. I like the visual and auditory contributions to this world the show is offering. I am fully comfortable replacing my head-canon images of the characters with those from the show. Very few adaptations afford me this luxury. I can take what this show has done BACK into the books, and I believe they will make the books better. In this way, I don't believe the show pollutes or ruins but rather enhances and honors Jordan's world. So for the love of God, be like Nae'blis and just let them cook.

@AlexScott-sj6yq

11 ай бұрын

Absolutely agree that it cannot be a direct translation with no changes. That being said, what the showrunners decide to put on screen has to be good. S2E01 was slow, unfocused, and when the action did kick in, it was nonsensical and void of any real context. I really liked the opening scene with the darkfriends, it showed some interesting things and got my attention. Then, the episode quickly ground to a halt and never recovered. Also, the showrunners had all of season 1 to cook. It didn't work in season 1, and the start of season 2 was a chance to show that they corrected the errors and could turn it around. In my opinion, they have not accomplished that with S2E01. It's more of the same problems from season 1. It's unfortunate, especially since the story of the hunt for the horn seems gift-wrapped for adapting into a compelling season of television.

I literally thought a couple of times, “why is everyone whispering??” But yeah, better than season 1

This man wouldn't shave his upper lip even if his own aged grandmother asked him to!

He do be a great Bayle Domon!

@davidjones272

11 ай бұрын

Bayle Domon do be welsh, and it's glorious!

Re: the darkfriend social, the little girl is a daughter outside at night, and Ishy is the father lying to her that all this stuff is normal and ok. It’s a thematic scene. Re: Verin/Adaleas, the subtitles specifically use a capital S when she says “my Sister” - I think they collapsed Adaleas and Vandene into one character, not Vandene and Verin.

As a big hater of season 1 i think season 2 started a lit stronger. Even though it stings that there are a lot of changes it finally feels more like wheel of time and i enjoyed the first three episodes. Lets see how it progresses

I think what the Dark Friend Social is doing in the show is that it hints at who is a Darkfriend in the show. That being said, I agree that that is a big departure with Verin. It may be that instead of making her absented minded seeming but calculating, they are making her grandmotherly, but secretly terrifying. I thought it was definitely an improvement and I enjoyed it.

Super! Thank you for this video. Cannot wait for more such reviews from your channel!

I'm so glad you were positive. I wasn't the biggest fan of season 1 but I am loving 2 so far. Been a book for for 15 years and I'm deliberately thinking of this tv show as another turning of the wheel. As it's a "different age", the characters are gonna be different and the story too but the bones of it are there. And I think they're really nailing it. I'm trying to forget my preconceived notions of what I want and just appreciate the adaptation for what it is. People doing their best to make something they love for the fans who also love the world of Wheel of time. They just have to do so within the limits of the studio that's financing the project. So they can't do 14 20 episode seasons that the wheel of time could easily be. Things are gonna have to be cut and changed to get the essence of the story across. Too many fans of the books aren't really giving it the chance it deserves. And I feel like a lot of the reviewers on KZread are ragging on it because of the departures from the books. On the contrary, I'm excited to be surprised by the twists the show will have to pull. By the new things we'll get to see

@101wormwood

11 ай бұрын

I have to keep relearning their version vs my preconceptions, for characters etc. avid re-reader and it can be jarring. I determined in s1 that I had to just let it be a different age and enjoy it. Not mad at it but it does give me whiplash sometimes.

@davidlarson2991

11 ай бұрын

Nope can’t stand this whatever trash heap you call it adaptation of a series. This book fan sees not one saving grace in this crap. Hell hope now they never finish it.

@FreeRangeRoss

11 ай бұрын

​@@davidlarson2991whatever your eating - keep at it, because your tears taste fantastic.

So far a step up from season one, but for me they have really messed up Lan and Moiraine and that makes their parts of the show very hard to swallow.

@muccamadboymike3526

11 ай бұрын

100%. Everyone else seems upgraded over S1 significantly. But their interactions and the tone of both characters just feels so off to me.

Thank you for your honest review. Its so refreshing to hear a voice that is not looking to poke holes in every deviation from source material. Personally I'm just so happy to see these characters that lived in my head come to life. I remeber hating certain characters on first reads, and loving them in re-reads, hopefully we get a version of this for viewers once main plot lines playout

@user-ti5rb1mx5x

11 ай бұрын

The characters in your head aren't coming to life. This show is one of the worst things I've ever seen on TV and I watched Legend of the Seeker.

@korionterivers9995

10 ай бұрын

@@user-ti5rb1mx5xnow this show is miles better than legend of the seeker.😂😂. One thing I can say tho is that legend of the seekers writers stuck to the source material a lot better. And if they had had the budget of this show who knows what they could have done. I still need a sword of truth series done right

@korionterivers9995

10 ай бұрын

I agree that I just want the show to continue so I can atleast see a live depiction of things I’ve imagined since I was a kid.

@user-ti5rb1mx5x

10 ай бұрын

@korionterivers9995 it's not a depiction of anything you could have possibly read though. We all wanted that, thats why we hate the show. It's okay. It will be cancelled soon. The sooner it's cancellwd, the sooner we can try again with someone that actually read and cared about the books rather than using an existing IP to push a social agenda. It's not that some of those aspects weren't alluded to in the books, it's that they removed everything else, and now we are left with a CW show.

I've renamed the dark friend social, don't pet the trollic. So good. I am loving this retelling of one of my favorite stories.

I liked the pacing and i loved that characters felt familiar even though the scenes were all different or entirely new. I'm also fine that Verin is combined with Vandene. It only makes sense for the adaptation to reduce the huge cast. I'm now wondering if their going to combine Liandrin and Eliada, because that would work very well.

I wonder if the girl was having a regular nightmare and kinda stumbled into the dream world . She could be a young dreamer showing potential

I am with you on the overwhelming majority of this. I didn't have any lighting or sound issues 'though! Cheers for this! Looking forward to seeing your next reviews.

I didn't mind some of the shrinking of the world. I had no qualms with replacing Hurin with Elyas. I felt in the books that it was too convenient, like Elyas showed up and said "Hey kid, you're gonna have powers" and then he had powers where here Perrin has been experiencing these moments for a bit and now Elyas can give him guidance. Replacing Vandene with Verin makes sense. She can tag along in the same sense and have the same sort of the character arc if they do it correctly. I also like seeing Lan get whooped by the two Fades. Will be a nice change so later in the show when he's bonded again he can be Super-Lan.

My non-reader wife and son picked up that Ishy was the bad dude from S1 and that we were getting hints about other people being Darkfriends so I think the cold open accomplished its purpose

I've been looking forward to this video....ty

Hey I wouldn't normally do this and feel free to ignore my ask if you want. You have covered a lot of book specific stuff but I think a lot of book fans could use a break down of the difference between series relevant (WoT) and Book relevant (insert book). A lot of people seem to be confused about the difference between the story of a book plot/element and a series plot/element. The comparison should not be the show to the book, or the book to the show. The comparison should be how the book handles a plot/element and how the show handles a plot/element of the series.

I completely agree with the criticism of having Verin replace Vandene. I just don’t think Verin would retire, with her whole green dress scene.

I think that the production and editing is a lot better. I understand that major changes need to be done in the adaptation, and some of them I think are great but some of them don't hold up once you start thinking of how they interact with other events. I also think that they need to do a better job at explaining/showing things. I'm generally okay with it though. The thing that I have the hardest time with is that, for me, some of the characters don't really feel like the characters from the books. I'm very excited to see where the season is going though.

Perrin's visions may be his heightened senses. They would be difficult to show.

@andreahultman8272

11 ай бұрын

I was thinking they gave Hurin’s gift/talent to Perrin. That change actually makes sense.

@KillerOfWhales

11 ай бұрын

I definitely read that as wolf memories and communications sent through images

You didn't mention that they did away with the character of Hurin and simply combined him with Elyas. I understand why they did it, but I liked Hurin. But, that doesn't tick me off as much as what they do with Uno.

@csarmii

11 ай бұрын

Think of it this way. Uno is a side character that never really does much. Has a scene here and there, appears and disappears, and people love his unique feel and his style. He wouldn't really make it into an adaptation if we want to be fair. Not as a recurring character anyhow. They put him in anyway and gave him an important role and a memorable death. Show watchers will remember him forever for his stand.

@startrekiborg

11 ай бұрын

@csarmii I understand why they felt he was disposable, but he was a strong man with a good heart, and I'll miss him. But, they at least sent him off in style.

It was interesting to hear Naeblis mention the light and acoustics in some scenes - I felt the same but as a non-native speaker I wasn't sure if it was the sound volume or just me. Some scenes were too dark and too fast, a blur, especially the scene with Moiraine and Lan fighting the Fades. Better editing would've solved both issues. As for the cold open, I don't believe it's Tel'aran'rhiod or at least there's no proof for that other then the credits. But I guess it's not really important. I felt they could've used it to explain why Ishy isn't simply killing off all of his enemies with his amazing powers and instead playing good uncle and organizing darkfriend socials.

6:31 - It was "Bring your child to work" day for dark friends - a new perk that Ishamael is piloting to increase engagement :)

My criticism of the darkfriend social was that it felt small. In the books it was a hall filled with hooded darkfriends. It made it more ominous as you get the scale of how many people are allied to the dark one. They spell out the mission of the group of people. 8 people sitting around a table is not that significant. I see no reason for the deviation. And the little girl made it a bit comical. I hated season 1 but season 2 is far better so far

@wertigon

11 ай бұрын

Agreed, they could've let her run through a common room of mostly hooded extras and THEN into the 8 persons meeting, indicating these were the most important people. :)

Love you positivity and very tired and ranting some channels are doing. I am watching this with my son and wife have never read the books and they are all in and enjoying it

Nice takes! Re: your Perrin criticism... I think there's a lot more continuity than you're seeing. After all, Perrin is *worried* that his inner violent side will take over once they find Fain - that definitely feels like someone who is still struggling with how to feel about pacifism.

I guess, after sharing so many scenes from the episode, monetization is gone, right?

I was a big fan of season 1 so just happy to see it back. Seems very similar except more changes as expected since they're forced to mash 2 books together. I loved Barney's performance, so sad to see him go but new Barney seems pretty good. Not loving the Moiraine stuff but I understand they have to make up stuff for her to do here because Rosamund is the big star and they can't just have her disappear into a mirror for 3 seasons. I anticipate major rewrites for her. On the other hand, I did like the changes they made to the Randfear relationship. It feels more authentic than the books and Natasha is phenomenal so far. She totally is Lanfear.

I am feasting on S2! Loved seeing some fave book scenes with twists.

I agree there's a lot of improvements from S1, as a TV show. As an adaptation, still a lot of question marks. Particularly around Moiraine, for me....she seems to have fully lost the wise mentor role, and is adopting Rand's "I must push away my friends" approach? Curious to see how that plays out...

@101wormwood

11 ай бұрын

Im enjoying it for what it is and pinching myself really hard every time im about to say "but the books....." its def. more fun to watch in s2

@andrewfrank7222

11 ай бұрын

Why? She is not a main character of the actual story. Rand is. And he got 20 seconds of screen time...

@tren133

11 ай бұрын

I think the main issue is that Rosamund Pike has top billing in the show, and while Moiraine IS a very important character in the book series, she spends large parts of the 2nd book on the side lines, so the show writer had to come up with something for her to do this season, since they can't exactly put her aside in this very important second season of the show. If everything goes right for the show, Pike will be off the show by the end of around season 4, at which point the rest of the ensemble cast will get more screen time to shine.

@KillerOfWhales

11 ай бұрын

@@andrewfrank7222have you read book 3 or 8

@andrewfrank7222

11 ай бұрын

@@tren133 Moiraine has 11 total first person POV chapters in the entire series... She is a significant character early on... But the story absolutely is not about her.

Going to watch this video later, but wanted to say... those first 3 episodes of season 2 ARE FUCKING GREAT! I'm so happy with the true to book, nice videography, lighting, character development, and especially the hopping between character stories I didnt feel lost once! Loved them very much.

I liked the acting and the costuming and I think it's kinda fun that it's a different turning of the wheel: as a reader I don't know what will come, who will survive, which makes it more high stakes. What I don't like is the lighting. I cannot watch it in my living room because the screen is just darkness with random flashes and murmurs. What did they have in mind, watching this underneath a blanket in a dark cellar?

Domon needed a proper beard. They needed to pay attention to details. Lan should have skinned those fades for saddle leather

I thought E1 was good television, though more like a Fan-Fiction story (where you expect alternate universe) and less like an adaptation. The quality was much better as was the pacing in general. Some abrupt jumps seemed more like a Preview because I couldn't figure out how we got HERE. Suddenly we were... HERE. The extra minutes in the Ep was SO helpful to the slower pace immersion, which I liked.

I understand why a lot of people are cringy about how they portray the sniffer powers. But I think it actually makes sense. They simply made the sniffer powers more powerful. Not only do the sniffers smell violence, But they are able to discertain exactly how the violence took place. The visions are their minds interpretation of what happened. And the Writers simply added those powers to those of the wolf brother., since they are merging Hurin with Elyas.

I’m REALLY having a hard time with the show vs book. I love the books and keep looking at the show and wonder to myself “ where the hell did that come from in the book?” I guess I’ll have to continue watching and see where it goes.

I choose to believe the x-ray is wrong, and the dark friend social did not take place in the world of dreams, but somewhere in the real world. It just makes more sense that way. Other than that location, confusion, the opening worked for me. It depicted rising anxiety and dark forces. While, not being explicitly connected to the episode, I thought it was a good opening to the season.

@straighttalkwithkyle7947

11 ай бұрын

I agree, I don't agree with the X-Ray at all.

@Kylora2112

11 ай бұрын

Same. It's setting the stage that Ishamael is working with people from every nation, including the Aes Sedai. And since everyone is cloaked, even Darkfriends don't know who the Darkfriends are. The girl being the POV character was a great way to show all the different symbols of the nations and factions that even a casual watcher would notice. And yeah, I also think the x-ray is wrong.

@tren133

11 ай бұрын

I don't see why the X-ray would be wrong. They haven't even introduced the concept of the dream world yet in season 1, so putting it as the setting of season 2 cold open must have been a very deliberate act. Although one thing I do find odd is why would they need trollocs in telaranrhoid? Is it even possible to bring shadowspawn into the dream world?

this felt pretty much on par with most of season 1 for me, just with higher production values. still alot of questionable writing/decisions. like you mentioned, just glossing over the fact Loial should be dead and whatnot. its also pretty clear this is closer to a reimaging of the wheel of time, and not just an adaptation of the story we got into a different medium.

@mplovecraft

11 ай бұрын

The better production is very clear, so I'm very happy about that. But unfortunately you are also right about the (heavy handed) writing being similar to season 1. I really, really don't want to come off as a hater, but it might be a skill or experience issue on the writers parts. I hope we will see it grow and become better as the show progresses though.

I didn’t mind the pace. Nothing happened in this episode, and I think that’s a really good thing. Compared to S1E1, where we get almost zero time to just sit and be with the characters, S2E1 was refreshing. If we’d been given only this episode, and had to wait a week for episode 2, maybe I’d have gripes, but we got 3 episodes, and as you know, plenty of stuff happens in the following 2. So I’m cool with a slower opening where we get some time with the characters. I’m also totally ok that we get almost no Rand/Mat. If anything, that’s right on brand with the books, (book 3 specifically) and for another, we get them in the next 2. Very pleased with the improvement over season 1, and I’m looking forward to more. Here’s hoping this show continues to improve-I’d love to be watching season 5 or 6, and looking back at show that really found it’s footing by season 3. Hell, the books don’t get REALLY good until about book 3 or so anyway. (I’m not a big fan of book 1. Book 2 is better, with 3 and 4 each getting better still, IMO).

@nathanhall9345

11 ай бұрын

I agree about the pacing. If anything, this season actually feels like Wheel of Time from a pacing standpoint. And yes, some people will dislike that. Just as some people do the books. But the payoff in worldbuilding and characterization is so worth it to me.

@Kylora2112

11 ай бұрын

Yeah, we needed an episode dedicated to a massive amount of characterization, exposition, and worldbuilding. It feels like a deep breath before we get basically the entirety of The Great Hunt and The Dragon Reborn in a 7 hour crash course.

@csarmii

11 ай бұрын

I loved the pacing. I enjoyed that they took their time with the characters here and I also think it's what you're supposed to do S2E1 especially when S2E2 comes out thr same time.

@wertigon

11 ай бұрын

@@Kylora2112 Showrunners have said they will only do most of TGH and a little bit of TDR in Season 2. I also suspect they will combine the plots of Tanchico and Falme, in order to have more TWT exposition. Never really made sense that the girls were lured away, captured, returned only to go away 3 months later again. I suspect they will let the Salidar plot happen as the girls are making their way back from Tear, maybe the girls are sent on a wild goose chase towards Murandy or even goes directly to CoS stuff in Ebou Dar. Trying to keep this as spoiler free as possible :)

You forgot that sometimes you can end up in the dream world when you sleep "normally"

I’m happy for them to ignore as many plot points from episode 8 of season 1. Generally agree with the rest of your thoughts. Didn’t think about Verin, good point.

@mplovecraft

11 ай бұрын

Episode 8 was a mess if we are honest and when there are no good explanations, ignoring it might actually be the best way forward.

Total guess but saying that the DF social happens in TAR seems like something that was consulted with early on (eg with a designated book expert) but then the script was subsequently updated, resulting in weirdness like why (or how) a DF brought their kid there.

You were very generous. I’d give it a 5/10 at most. It didn’t really move the story forward much

I actually feel we saw Episode 2 instead of what they filmed for Episode 1 in the show. I think we get the content of Episode 1 as flashbacks or something like that. Maybe the feel it will be more compelling. Maybe Lanfear gets a 1/3 of an episode on just how she was released and wound up finding Rand or we see flashbacks on how Perrin gets on the road. Just feels that way. I do feel Season 2 is still a big step up but at the same time it is really more "loosely based upon" than an actual adaptation. Verin was very "off" to me. Her outward ditziness is integral to her character and even her survival.

@csarmii

11 ай бұрын

Well, being nice and helpful to people is another way to pass under the radar. The other aes sedai will be underestimating him and think her irrelevant for not playing games and actually care about people and all that nonsense.

I don't mind this different turning of the wheel or "flicker" as another commenter pointed out. They still have a lot of work to do post production wise to bring it to the level of say HoTD or even Foundation but they are getting there, so far it's way better than season one in production quality. There are still flow problems in scenes with camera angles and refresh rates, like with High Lady Suroth, the focus on flicking of the nails and general stuttering nature of the scene flow was off putting. The costumes were amazing though, definitely nailed a good interpretation of the Seanchan military. Their biggest room for improvement is the music, most of it was barely above cellphone video game music and clashed with just about every scene.

@andrewfrank7222

11 ай бұрын

These are not Robert Jordan's characters. It's not even the same universe. This is an agenda driven, GoT wannabe rip off.

@KillerOfWhales

11 ай бұрын

@@andrewfrank7222Uh huh yeah cry about it I guess

@andrewfrank7222

11 ай бұрын

@@KillerOfWhales Mock the show producers I guess... Maybe you too

Where do you think the Moiraine story is going? Make a video on that after Ep 4. Would love to watch.

Didn’t elyas say that one girl got away from the abandoned town and it was the girl from the dark friend social scene?

Was that the same little girl from the cold open, who got away from Fain and Fade?

10/10 for your Whiteboard. The episode is watchable. Liandrin is even more than that. Cannot stand the dynamic surrounding Moiraine & Lan and that includes everyone they’ve interacted with in Episode. Egwene & Nynaeve? Hmmm. Let’s include Mat and say, for this episode, they’re largely inoffensive. With nothing but instinct I will say that, I’m vibing Donal Finn as Mat Cauthon much more than Barney, but that’s probably because he hasn’t really been touched by the script much yet. My only whine that touches on the differences between the Souce Material and the sources of material in the TV Show is that if I’m reading the negging from Moiraine accurately, then her aims there and her decisions later just do not gel. Worse than that, they display Elaida Levels of head burying heedlessness. I get that they’re all in on merging various characters and storylines, but this isn’t an amalgam I’d have expected even these Producers to pursue.

I like the Verin and Vandine mix

Interesting!

Thanks Naebs. The Icecream social missed Mat and Perrin being people of interest. This may not matter if none other than Ishy involved. A few extra seconds and a bit of SPX would open up tertiary characters to interact (ala Dana). I still feel the White Tower is not expansive. Lan/Morraine is deliciously horrid. Thank the Light we have S2.

Generally i have really enjoyed S2 so far, this was the weakest of the three episodes for me however. I didnt personally like or understand the Lan/Moiraine interaction and i was disappointed with the fade fight with the lighting issues. The white tower scenes however, i agree were really good.

I agree w you on Verin. They made her not stand out. @Rafe.

Man, I don’t know about the direction they’re going with this. Seems like this is a different story with a wheel of time skin. Only two episodes in and really not sure about this show.

@MyTube4795

11 ай бұрын

Think of the show as one of the many FLICKERs. Only way I've come to terms with all the changes. It's not RJ's Wheel. Just a Flicker

@winxclubflora8446

11 ай бұрын

@@MyTube4795can you plz explain flickers? Cuz i just read the great hunt and got confused on that part

@danhenley9495

11 ай бұрын

Each flicker is a potential future if one made different choices. With time being circular, some may have been a another turn of the wheel

@haplozetetic9519

11 ай бұрын

@@winxclubflora8446 Rand really had problems trying to get the stone to work. As he tried different things, everybody there experienced different possibilities of things that could have happen if their lives had gone differently.

@twig8523

11 ай бұрын

​@winxclubflora8446 as the author himself would say... read and find out. RAFO babyyy! 😅 are they illusions spun out in the minds of each individual? Are they alternate timelines in an infinite multiverse? Many have speculated, but as the Aes Sedai said of the Arches for the White Tower's Accepted testing: no one knows for sure. & getting an Aes Sedai to admit they are ignorant of anything is like pulling teeth! Enjoy the books! Enjoy the show! It's a great time to be a WOT fan!

Youll never get an explanation that makes sense about the deaths by dagger... And these first 3 episodes destroy Lan and Moraine to me. I want to see what ya think on later episodes.

@ener11454

11 ай бұрын

There is no reason to think anyone but Loial was stabbed by the dagger as there were multiple fades in the fight as well. Some of the people in that scene did die. Uno very clearly was hurt but didn't look anywhere near death. The guy who ended up not being Ingtar isn't with them so I assume he died. So really all they need to do to explain this is at some point mention that Ogier have some sort of immunity to the corruption from Shadar Logoth. This is a lot like the people who insist Egwene brought Nynaeve back from the dead, nothing in that scene leaves out the fact she could just be near death. That episode 8 was pretty bad though so the more they ignore it the better, especially when it comes to how much power was shown in that last scene of battle which kind of messes up the power levels of everything going forward.

@benalo13

11 ай бұрын

Like I said, that doesn't make sense. Unless of course you don't care about canon. The dagger is deadly. 😑. Making something up about the Ogier doesn't explain it away. Making something up that is not canon doesn't make it make sense... It's nonsense. That's what I meant, it is so messed up that no matter what they say or do it can never make sense if you read the books. I'm not trying to be insulting, what I mean to say is that there's nothing that can make it make sense. If you are going by the canon of the books he should be dead, everyone cut by the dagger should be dead except the wielder.

Liking the season so far, but I was very bothered by Lan picking up and using a Thakan'dar sword during the fight with the Fades. Every one of those swords represents the murder of one of his people! He would never.

The thing about Perrin hating Padan Fain does feel a bit forced - probably because I suspect it should have been Mat, but the actor leaving before season 1 ended forced some changes to the original plan.

My biggest complaint so far is Lan. He's not the badass he was in the book and it really bothers me. Book Lan would have killed the fades with maybe a scratch, not mortally wounded. Also no mention of the Thakan'dar blades, though there would be a lot more dead main characters if they went that route. It just makes the Myrddraal seem less threatening which kinda sucks, though I did like that they showed them fading in/out of the shadows.

as a reader the dark friend social didnt pay off for me until way, way later. it felt very disconnected, like the show. also THANK YOU for not screaming spoiler warnings... i hate them

My biggest like is the time they are taking to develop the characters. I did not find it the least bit boring. Character development is what I want and that they seem to be bringing it back closer to the books. What I dislike the most and this co ti yes from season one. How the warder Aes Sadai bond is portrayed. I’ve been asking.none book readers who have watch the show to tell me what benefits does the bond give the warder. The answer is a. Emotional connection to the aes Sadai. Warders in the books are much more than sex toys and emotion support. This is a fantasy series and warders should be sword fighting like fantasy hero’s. Like elves in lord of the rings. Also I don’t like how easy fades die.

I think there needs to be a scale of 1-10 of the word adaptation. The same way exorcist is “based on a true story” this is “based on wheel of time”

@johnny2003

11 ай бұрын

Literally anything that gets rid of season 1 makes me feel better.

My biggest complaint was slow pacing (I can get over it) and…stabbing a Fade in the face with a knife. Like…if she can do it, how scary are they really?

Overall, I gave this episode a 6.5. In thid episode, I did not like the pacing. I thought it was disjointed. I thought Episode 2 Aland 3 were paced better). I agree with you Nae'Blis the Fade fight was a bit too dark. There is a fine distinction between fights in the night where there is no torch light or other source of fire (as in this scene) and a fight at night where there is torch light (for example, the Trollocs attack at Winternight). I thought the Scottish accent of the actor who played Bayle was spot on for the way Bayle talks in the books. I like how they had him use the verb "be" in the way the books do. Plenty of foreshadowing both for matters later in this season and for future seasons. The scenes with Alanna in the kitchen and her conversation with Egwene in her room were priceless.

Lan fighting two fades was messy and fantastic 😢

The confusing part to me was when Moraine appeared to channel a bit at the end of the fight with the Myrddraal's while she watches Lan fall....or is that supposed to be coming from Verin...Either way I was confused. I really enjoyed the rest of the episode overall though.

@NaeBlis

11 ай бұрын

It was coming from Verin. She yells “cover your ears” or something like that and she makes a sound that stuns the fade

@LizStorey

11 ай бұрын

@@NaeBlis upon rewatch I can tell a bit better that it is meant to be Verin, but the first time I watched it it looked like it was coming out of Moiraine's hand before it changes to the shot of Verin yelling cover your ears.

The fact that there is no owl in her house proves they are gonna miss on the verin character arc :(

I agree; big improvement over S1, but I still think they could have done more with their cold open & it seems their just “moving on” from their S1 huge mistakes.

All in all, I'm very happy with the improvements in season 2. The acting continues to be excellent from everyone, and the costumes, sets, and effects were great for me. I agree with the points about lighting and sound, I don't like having to struggle to figure out what's happening when those aren't done well. Hopefully that will improve!

@carolbriscoe9337

11 ай бұрын

I now have 'close captioning" on all my streaming accounts. Tired of replaying scenes over & over to catch the dialogue. Not many producers do the dialogue in a studio any longer. They like to use it from 'on set.'.I suspect the directors know the dialogue so well they aren't even aware it's not spoken clearly.

@mplovecraft

11 ай бұрын

I agree with everything you say! Season 2 is a clear improvement and the costumes and sets are great, and the absolute highlight for me is the acting.

I don’t want to keep thumping the same drum - I’ve stated my views on other videos. As a reader of the series (multiple times) - I don’t see the need or justification for the changes made. For example - Moraine cut off from the source is ridiculous. How Does this serve the story in any way? There is zero reason to do this. Moraine is respected throughout the story because of her strength in the one power and because of her relationship to the throne of Carhein (which hasn’t even been mentioned yet). And this is just one such change - there a lot more that equally make no sense. Even little things - like Min being introduced as being held captive in the White Tower and first meeting Matt rather than Rand. That changes the whole notion of the later story. I would be okay with the changes if they had said - “We’re going to absolutely butcher the story line”. But instead, they went out of their way to say they would stick as close to the story as possible. Just doesn’t feel honest at this point.

I think you're right about Verin, she's the one who just doesn't fit with her character in the book. Seems like a different person

The show isn't bad by itself but it's so far removed from the books that it feels like a spinoff of WOT and not WOT itself. There is plenty of room in the books to make the cuts necessary to make an accurate adaptation without all these unnecessary changes. After more than 30 years being a fan and having waited so long for a screen adaptation this feels like a punch in the gut.

So I disagree with you on th3 Darkfriend Social. All it does in the books is it establishes that there are darkfriends from every land (which also comes through here) and really nothing else. It seems completely disconnected from TGH as well. Yes, it gives Bors motivations, but that's about it and we don't learn anything more. Except that he wants to do something with the boys. But we don't learn more than we do in the the show. Is that what you're missing? Maybe someone should be going after the boys more directly like Liandrin did in TGH?

I think the non-readers will like the darkfriend social just bc it gives us some clues as to who the darkfriends are. It will be a mystery to them, that its not to us. The black ring.. if anything I wish it was not so cutesy as it was.

I don't understand why the dark scenes look so much better here on KZread than when I watch it on Amazon using the same device. When watching on Amazon the dark scenes are all pixilated in the dark areas. It looks horrible. As for the story, I hate it so much. Season 1 over all was meh, but this season, I've watched 2 episodes so far and just end up rolling my eyes more than anything else. I have a lot of complaints about episode 2, but I'll save that for my comments when I watch that video which I'm about to do now.

Nae'Blis, I think overly kind with your grade. Let's look at one scene in particular. Moriane, who has been stilled (wft really? this didn't happen until she went through the red door the second time, when she took Lanfear with her. I am really trying to be kind with tempo and needing to change some things for the adaptation, but cmon really?) is able to KILL A FADE with one thrust of her knife? Give me a break. Don't even get me started on how all of a sudden Loial is alive and kicking after getting stabbed with ruby knife by Padin Fain in season 1 without a single explanation. The pacing of this episode was lethargic, did nothing to introduce the Sheinarin's that are important to the story. I could go on, but I think you get me drift on how NOT adapting the story to this series is being done. Dainel Greene on his channel mada a good point about how one should just take this show as "based on the works of Robert Jordan" and not a true adaptation of the Wheel of Time.

Unfortunately, I am less understanding than you regarding all of these changes to the main storyline and plot points. I hear and read the excuse that, due to the massive nature of the story, things would need to change. I understand that in principle but the first few books, where proper world, character, and plot need to be firmly established, are not effectively done here. Without spoiling the books, I think many of you who read it can think of the slog and rpg like side quests that could easily be trimmed. They did not need to start here.

I watch EVERYTHING with subtitles on lol you're really missing out

You get a thumbs up for the white board

I liked it. I thought Verin felt right. She is observant and knovlegable about proficeis. Slow start but overall a good start. I would give it about 7.5

I, too, was disappointed in Bayle's lack of reference to his aged grandmother.

Super bumbed... Wasnt matt returned to shadar logath at the end of season 1? Loil and other were killed by Fain? No mention of either... So odd and disjointed...

Not paying attention to the books, dommon should have a bare upper lip in the illianer style

Fortune prick me!

I gave up on the show being a representation of the books. The characters are not in spirit with the books (imo). I know people will argue but I don’t crap on people for liking the show. I’m just looking at this show as a flicker….flickr….flikr..

I loved episode 1 of the wheel of time. If they keep this up they got a very good season on their hands.

@chrispalmer3330

11 ай бұрын

Really? Why?

I always watch everything with subtilties on. Sound mixing has gone to shit in the past 10 years.

Simply discusseded with yhe tv show as a whole. Long time fan of the books and absolutely hating the sheer slaughtering of the books. I get that you have to change and leave out some things but it almost doesnt even seem like the books storyline at all and that they are only very loosely basing the stroyline off the books... why not just make it another age and spinning of the wheel as then it perhaps could be considered enjoyable.

As a long-time book reader of WOT, I definitely loved this episode, even with all the changes. It was just really cool to see so many locations, characters and story beats come to life on the screen. I'm also relieved that so far this is WAY better than season one. I'm excited to see how the story develops for this season. Hoping the season finale can deliver since covid won't be an issue this time around.

I like how Verin was introduced in the show, with Moiraine going over her place for her research. But I'm also worried with her being Adeleas' sister, since it will definitely affect Verin's overall plot. They can still pull this off though, in my opinion. They just have to include Adeleas in Verin's plotline, making the three of them doing what Verin and Tomas were doing in the books.

Not quite as good as I thought it would be. They better get Moraine and Lam back together.

The sex scenes are terrible and out of place. Nynaeve has never had ANY interest in fighting with swords... In fact she openly uses her hatred of men playing with swords to heal Aiel. The story is not about Moraine. The story still hasn't mentioned how there are two halves to the power. The agenda is ruling the story and the story sucks for it.

Ah yes, the defamation and mocking of The Wheel of Time continues with another season of fanfiction

The Darkfriend Social served the purpose of showing that Fain, Sheinarans, Aes Sedai, Seanchan, and everyone else can be aligned with the Dark, and it will definitely pay off later (because someone being a Darkfriend won't seem like it came out of left field, since we know it's possible for anyone of any background to be a Darkfriend, and they're disguised in such a way that even Darkfriends don't know that someone else is a Darkfriend). And Liandrin is such a great character in the show. Nothing beats a well-performed "love to hate them" villain.

None of the Moiraine arc is good. It is based on stupidity and awfulness. Liandrin may be well acted, but she is not supposed to be a main character. I'm okay with BD being introduced in a different way, but he NEEDS to have his loyalty to the boys. The truth is NOT hearing the dialog was actually one of the best parts of this episode. This is NOT faithful to WoT and is not in any way great television. They once again decide it is better to add knew, unrelated material instead of book material. If I didn't need the free shipping so bad, I would be hoping this bankrupted Amazon.

Sorry but they destroyed Moiraine's character. They took any semblance of artful deception and made her obvious. Rather than using well-placed little details to show her dedication to the larger Quest (that she and the Amyrlin are alone in), they treated the audience like we're stupid and made her SAY IT OUT LOUD. And Lan, I guess the king of Malkier is a blithering idiot who can't cope without "the bond" being his defining trait. UGH. They've also come dangerously close to ruining Verin as well... but I leave room for amazing character development and true surprise reveals later. If you look at this as an entirely different story then it's passable, and I'm happy for the non-readers. In terms of adaptation, they are trying too hard to insert new material at the expense of old Canon. If they wanted to do a different turning of the wheel they should have written new characters. The runners and writers set themselves up for outrage by ret-conning an existing classic for their own aggrandizement without having to put effort into creating a story people will love on its own merit. They stole the coattails of the fan following to display subpar writing to that which they have replaced. IJS. /screed