“If I get a 15$ job at Burger King where am I going”?? Umm to the store to buy groceries and basic living needs lmao

@bandog1361

4 жыл бұрын

Exactly

@aaaaaaaaaa7699

4 жыл бұрын

Besides that you now have breathing room to at least begin pursuing your life. Most Americans live in big cities and in these cities you can barley survive as a single person on fifteen dollars an hours.

@user-ki4vn1lj4l

4 жыл бұрын

@@aaaaaaaaaa7699 I think it's sad that "pursuing your life" is widely thought of as "getting a job that pays well". What if I get most of my enjoyment in life from pursuing certain hobbies and spending time with friends and family, and don't care at all about pursuing something just for the money? I see no issue with working in food service forever and putting more value on every part of life that isn't involved with a job

@aaaaaaaaaa7699

4 жыл бұрын

@@user-ki4vn1lj4l huh so u would rather struggle as a fast-food worker working full-time then be paid properly? If you think working a rush is easy you crazy. You can still live that life and be paid a livable wage. So I guess I just don't understand what you mean?

@robinsss

4 жыл бұрын

@@aaaaaaaaaa7699 i think the guest's idea of making funding for Social security and medicaid voluntary is a great idea i wish more people like him were at the head of the libertarian party

Oh, "I don't know because I'M not in that situation". That's all you need to hear.

@someonegetsteve

6 жыл бұрын

Sums up the entire Right wing. Or: "I don't give a shit because I'M not in that situation".

@justinschacht5325

4 жыл бұрын

no its not all you need to hear

@robertstan298

4 жыл бұрын

@@justinschacht5325 Oh lawd, the irony in your vague as fuck, minimalistic reply.

@Zach.C1

3 жыл бұрын

@@justinschacht5325 either you donate everything you own except the clothes on your back to people more poor than you or you’re a fucking hypocrite

@shake3203

3 жыл бұрын

@@Zach.C1 non sequitur much?

I love how we're still fighting for a 15 dollar minimum wage 6 years later...

@johnross6436

2 жыл бұрын

It’s now 8 years later and we’re still fighting for it…

@fednanders4572

2 жыл бұрын

not yet.

@tthayer2

2 жыл бұрын

We're still fighting for people to understand marginal revenue product.

@frickfrack1725

2 жыл бұрын

Still fighting for 15$ and hour. 1 Amazon warehouse now unionized, keep the fight going team

@SeaCowsBeatLobsters

2 жыл бұрын

Been fighting so long that $15 is no longer a livable wage LOL

This guy I'm sure unintentionally exposes some of the many flaws in capitalism that Marx pointed out

@skooch5769

Жыл бұрын

I know this is 4 years old, but any actual conversation about capitalism will inevitably end up at marx. Anyone who has read the text knows how explicitly he lays it out. I dont think you can actually talk about capitalism in 2023 with out talking about Capital. It isnt taught in America for obvious reasons.

@armstrem

Жыл бұрын

@@skooch5769 I have a degree in political science from a state university in the US and I can't believe how much Marx is avoided in our education system. Meanwhile, the far right says our universities are turning kids into commies.

@Thecultofwrestling

Жыл бұрын

Capitalists understand capitalism in the same way marx did. They just use different words. Like surplus labor value = profit. They know everything Marx said about capitalism

it's quite insightful when a libertarian admits so openly that he's ok with someone having to live in a homeless shelter while working for him full time...

'I don't know because I'm not in that situation' Right-libertarianism in a nutshell.

@smaakjeks

5 ай бұрын

More accurately: 'I don't *care* because I'm not in that situation'

Wow, did he really just relegate people making minimum wage to homeless shelters saying their jobs aren't supposed to provide them with a living wage???I hope you never lose YOUR job and need a hand up dude...

@jayburdification

7 жыл бұрын

Yup and Sam never even asked where the money from the homeless shelter comes from? What if there aren't any volunteers helping the homeless?

@44slack

7 жыл бұрын

+Thomas Buchovecky So you did it yourself and therefore everybody can do the same. Have you ever thought of those who can't do the same. Are you aware that some people do not have the stamina, physical or mental strength to do the same? Forgive me if you were being sarcastic.

"Regulations under Obama are stifling private businesses." "There are less regulations under Obama than under Bush." "Well regulations make miniscule differences."

@nukiradio

4 жыл бұрын

Ah yes. The strawman gish galloped away on his highhorse

@ade8890

4 жыл бұрын

@@nukiradio Looks like moving the goal post to me.

@kodabro4322

2 жыл бұрын

@@nukiradio you win the internet

@hashtagunderscore3173

Жыл бұрын

“Fewer”

i literally choked when he said if we put effort into boycotting mcdonald’s they’d go out of business

@firstlast9916

3 жыл бұрын

@Colby 95% of business fail in the first five years. No boycott needed. Practically no business survive over 30 years. Less than 1%. McDonald’s is a franchise anyway. The franchise owners are usually former restaurant owners that accumulated some money to buy a franchise. Ray crock has been dead for 37 years. He is not making a cent underground from McDonald’s.

@serversurfer6169

Жыл бұрын

If people stopped buying McDonald's, cops would start showing up unannounced with Happy Meals and Square scanners. 😜

"Let's say, hypothetically, it's determined 100 years from now that the killings the US government are doing right now in the Middle East are unjustified" I literally rofled at that

I've been working backwards in Sam's debates with libertarians from 2020. What an arc!

@michaelbatey5861

Жыл бұрын

Same from 2022. Aged like fine wine.

@armstrem

Жыл бұрын

I feel like an entire channel could be dedicated to Sam's debates with libertarians. I get if people don't like Sam or MR, but holy shit, how do you not appreciate how magical it is that he can reduce a libertarian to a crying infant in a matter of minutes?

@khbgkh

11 ай бұрын

This guys is an idiot. 3 minutes in

@TimiTamminen

11 ай бұрын

Same, it's like watching Mozart composing his catalogue in reverse

@TheOrthodoxMoor

6 ай бұрын

Same, since late 2023....My jaw is still on the floor from some of the responses he gets back from the callers... I'm a Libertarian and I appalled by the weak arguments the other Libertarians are giving...Sam is well polished in his arguments 100%.

DiGeronimo - "I don't know what efficacy means" pretty much sums up his whole performance in this debate...

@WXVA9

8 жыл бұрын

Yeah, that was cringeworthy.

@alecjordan6100

7 жыл бұрын

***** Yeah, you're shocked because you can't read me based on my favorites list. It's not going to tell you what to make of me. Some of those vids were added over two years ago and some I haven't even watched. I added those videos to see arguments for different points of view because I used to be an an-cap and I wanted to explore other modes of thought. The fact of the matter is even if DiGeronimo agrees with an economic view that might be ideal (An-Cap) he isn't explaining it well because he lacks basic command of the arguments and basic command of the adult english language and he's making an-caps look bad. Now if you're so interested, I think a mixed economy is best personally. but at any rate, you haven't figured me out by snooping in my favorites list (which I just happened not set to private because who cares anyway?) you would have a better idea by challenging me on issues, like whether or not DiGeronimo knows what he's talking about.

@stirthepot8892

7 жыл бұрын

+Alec Jordan well played, sir

@jeffbrown-hill7739

7 жыл бұрын

Yes!

@jeffbrown-hill7739

7 жыл бұрын

"What's Aleppo?"

It seems to me that libertarians philosophy boils down to a very simple thing. " Don't touch my monies"

@beansrice5398

6 жыл бұрын

Jarrid Gable Then call in to Sam Seder's show and argue your case.

@AR-jt2ux

5 жыл бұрын

Its more like i dont want to be a part of the functional society. But make sure the police, fire fighters, and military keep protecting me.

@iamtrulyfree

5 жыл бұрын

No it comes down to the non aggression principle. You cannot initiate force against peaceful people. Government spends 4 trillion a year and has put future generations in debt over 20 trillion dollars. When someone earns their money, they spend it wiser. Government doesn’t earn anything, they steal which is why they waste money and spend like psychopaths.

@MrCoryde

4 жыл бұрын

Ya, because I earned it, not you.

@MrCoryde

4 жыл бұрын

You can always tell who the intellectually inferior one is, their the ones chuckling in the background.

Caller just wants socialism for the rich, capitalism for the poor.

"I want to pay $5 an hour to a worker to live a great life in a homeless shelter." What a sociopath!

@victorvanvolt8425

Жыл бұрын

And after 10 years of "experience" they will get 15$ and hour , then another 10 year to get 20$ an hour, and then 10 years of that to 30$ an hours just to have the "privilege" of making a median life wage 17.5$ an hour.

@anthonydelfino6171

Жыл бұрын

This guy would fit right in as an executive at Walmart. It's not just how you put it, but "I want the government to subsidize my low wages by funding homeless shelters"

@rsr789

11 ай бұрын

He's a full-blown psychopath and needs to be removed from society and turned into fertilizer.

"Yeah. I'm sitting in my business office right now." -Sam Seder

@pablosabhlok

4 жыл бұрын

Yeah but how many unskilled young people does he hire (if he hires anyone at all)? Zero. He's not affected by the minimum wage as most of the people he hires are high skilled anyway.

@adrians9239

3 жыл бұрын

@@pablosabhlok he hires interns

@ivandafoe5451

3 жыл бұрын

@@pablosabhlok So that somehow disqualifies him from having an opinion on the matter? What qualifies you?

@StoveToTheFace

2 жыл бұрын

@@pablosabhlok I don't know how to respond to this... its not true and also dumb in concept. are you saying that because he wants smart complement people he's bad? I know I'm late to this community but your logic is so crazy I wanna understand it

@frank6842

2 жыл бұрын

@@pablosabhlok if you have to pay your workers so little in order to make a profit as a business then you shouldn't exist as a business. My tax dollars are supposed to prop up terrible businesses that make profit off of the backs of workers.

How are people supposed to live on $3 an hour, answer, 'it doesn't affect me so I don't fucking care if others can afford to live' Libertarianism in a nutshell.

@zwergie256

8 жыл бұрын

+KennyTew2 Let them eat cake!

@dustinallen4142

8 жыл бұрын

Would you rather have a homeless man starve for supposedly lets say a dollar under the current MW, or force a company to not be able to afford a such a man to even work because if they hired him they'd loose money so they don't hire him, because you are just so "compassionate" you rather have a low skilled worker not find a job than have him work for something YOU declare not good enough. Even though he could easily work his way up. Now that's what I call cowardly.

@dustinallen4142

8 жыл бұрын

The "livable wage" problem comes from the money being unstable, and the fed litteraly scamming us causing inflation. High compulsory taxation also hurts the poor. two things liberals don't give a shit about. They just want to seem like they are compassionate but in reality they are no better than the greedy fear mongering tyrants that use the poor as an excuse to steal more money for their own self interested bureaucracy that literally does not give a fuck about the poor because they are not accountable to us in any measurable or tangible way. Not to mention those policies always HURT the poor. You are not compassionate. Stop hiding behind that pathetic facade to inhabit your own brand of collectivist authoratianism because you want the moral high ground while remaining in a state of complete economic knowlage. deficiency

@zwergie256

8 жыл бұрын

Dustin Allen What's "knowlage deficiency"?

@outdoorsman715

8 жыл бұрын

+KennyTew2 you're fucking ignorant. if you don't have skills to give yourself a living wage, that's your fault. if its not your fault, charity will help you with opportunities to build your skills. stop trying to justify theft. its fucking ridiculous

16:30 "I don't know cos I'm not in that situation" *Sam's head explodes*

@primal9238

2 жыл бұрын

Basically he just wants corporate slavery. "If you're good and talented work slave maybe you'll make more than minimum wage one day." So wait... I just need to work for 20% of the minimum wage to one day possibly make more than $15 per hour? If companies are paying $3 per hour do you think they're going to jump to $30 per hour? Why wouldn't it go $3.50, $4, $4.50, $5? How many years until you even get raises to $10 per hour? I mean with these experiences being so valuable maybe we should PAY colleges/universities to get an education? Wait we do? Why do we get paid for working then? We should pay them for the life experience!

@wethepeople2023

Жыл бұрын

No he doesn’t. And you’ll always fail economics if you can’t process information.

"Mcdonalds cant afford a 15$ minimum wage, but this local burger joint can afford it"- Libertarian caller

@Zach.C1

3 жыл бұрын

Nice to see that communists hate poor people so much that they want to use the government to completely destroy ALL middle class and poor owned businesses that act as the competition against giant mega corps, funny how whenever commies try to help poor people they just end up creating more poor people and centralizing the wealth into the hands of an even smaller amount of people

@JoeDirtisawsome

3 жыл бұрын

@@Zach.C1 1. Im not a communist, im a market socialist 2. i never said that i wanted to destroy smaller businesses. You need to work on your reading comprehension.

@nickmendoza8878

3 жыл бұрын

@@Zach.C1 you really thought you "owned the lib" right there 🤡🤡🤡🤡

@HeathWatts

3 жыл бұрын

@@Zach.C1 Nice to see that you're dumb enough to claim that those who want to lift up workers' lives are like Stalin. Of course, you have no idea what socialism or communism are, or you wouldn't make such stupid claims.

@XXCoeusXX

3 жыл бұрын

@@Zach.C1 This reeks of Copy-Pasta as it seems like you misunderstood the OP. You must have gone to a private school, since public education is totally abhorrent to your beliefs. How's that privatized education working out for ya there bud?

"OK - I see your facts and they make my position look bad, but how about this thought experiment!?" FOR AN HOUR.

@nukiradio

4 жыл бұрын

Ben Shapiro's son has been found

@CutThroatJuggalo

2 жыл бұрын

Exactly the same as the first debate lol

@pwh567

2 жыл бұрын

Literally

Libertarian philosophy: "I want be able to pay my employees slave wages... because freedom!!!"

@Spencerwalker21

4 жыл бұрын

Also freedumb to rob taxpayers for my workers food stamps

@serversurfer6169

Жыл бұрын

"They'll volunteer too, once they get hungry enough."

This is like listening to a (dumb) 10 year old learning about government.

"how would you live on $3 an hour?" "well I don't know." self-awareness has left the chat

@komlat253

3 жыл бұрын

Only people with capital or who have inherit capital will be libertarians. They just say f the rest of us who would have nothing

@metalbrainmextrememetalent6810

2 жыл бұрын

It’s telling this libertarian knows his system of government would lead to lower wages. Instead of things magically getting better because government is out of the way. He’s arguing for things to be worse for people in America.

@firstlast9916

2 жыл бұрын

I lived on $4 per hour when I was 14 years old. Lived with my parents. That job taught me a lot about work ethic. Which is much more valuable than the money.

@Zach.C1

2 жыл бұрын

@@komlat253 I’d be nice if this was true but unfortunately a lot of poor people in America support lower taxes and less regulation on mega corporations because a lot of them genuinely believe that if mega corporations increase there wealth that it will trickle down to the poor as long as the poor person works hard, isn’t lazy and is willing to pull em up by the bootstraps and if your currently poor than that means you’re just lazy and are looking for government handouts, “if you can’t feed your kids than why should I have to pay for them to eat” is the mentality a lot of these people have. More concerned with making 50k after taxes instead of 46k after taxes rather than being concerned with American children starving to death cause “if there parents can’t feed em than they shouldn’t have had kids”

@Zach.C1

2 жыл бұрын

@@metalbrainmextrememetalent6810 well yea of course, in his mind, It’d be better to have one human being control literally everything on the planet while literally everyone else lives in abject poverty because the alternative would require taxation and taxation is theft which means it’s bad and we shouldn’t do it even if it resulted in the vast majority of humans on the planet getting to have high standards of living. He’s essentially arguing that even if his system just resulted in monarchies and feudalism it wouldn’t matter because in order to stop feudalism from happening you would have to steal someone else money or commit violence against them. In his mind if one person has 70 trillion apples but the average person only needs 100 apples in there lifetime to be reasonably happy, and you have 1000 people with only 5 apples each, even though you could give all 1000 people 1000 apples each and the guy with trillions of them would still have millions of times more apples than everyone else, you should be allowed to take any of his apples cause “tHeYrE mY aPPLes” libertarians are essentially just 8 year old children whos parents never taught them to share

“A minimum wage of $15/hour would cripple these businesses…we shouldn’t eat at McDonald’s anyhow…I go to a local burger joint around the corner from me who pays their employees $15/hour.” ~ Matt 😂😂

"Let's not be too hard on the nazi grunts now" lmfao

I think libertarians must all live in Mayberry. Every business owner is just some hokey honest fella trying to make an honest buck in their world

@llamasarus1

4 жыл бұрын

Most business owner took out a loan from a bank a need to make a profit to pay it back or liquidate and suffer reputational damage.

@enginerdy

4 жыл бұрын

@@llamasarus1 Go into business for yourself and you will quickly discover that people/companies big and small of weak moral character don't like to pay their bills

@llamasarus1

4 жыл бұрын

@@enginerdySo is every business owner of strong moral character supposed to like paying their bills then? I don't follow.

@enginerdy

4 жыл бұрын

@@llamasarus1 "don't like" is a euphemism for "pays late and sometimes just doesn't". This is often in proportion to how large or how much power the company believes they have over you

@enginerdy

4 жыл бұрын

@@llamasarus1 And sometimes rather than "taking a risk on a loan", they contract your services and use your work as speculative value, then when they are unsuccessful the bill goes unpaid. Donald Trump has enjoyed doing this to construction contractors many times over the years. It's morally vacuous and a common practice among the MBA/capital "B" Business Types. If I deliver, I should not be signing on to YOUR risk, but often that is what happens when you do business with these people. Unfortunately you don't find out *who* they are until things have gone sideways.

Every libertarian who comes to debate Sam gets gobsmacked by the most basic questions. It's as if no one has ever questioned their views before. Even the guys who are "experts" in it, not just the random callers. How do they manage to stay in such perfect bubbles?

Not sure if Sam Seder is debating a Libertarian here. Or a Conservative Republican from about twenty-five years ago who didn't want big government. In his life but wasn't anti-government all together that a lot of Libertarians sound like today.

This guy's (Matt DiGeronimo) internal inconsistencies are hilarious and mind-blowing.

Literally been talking about a $15 minimum wage since 2010 wtf

Minimum wage should be 20 dollars per hour in this country.

@kathykelly5930

10 жыл бұрын

In other words, a whole lot of ppl don't deserve jobs because your such a nice guy. I think all ppl should be nice, I guess I should just declare it by law and it'll happen.

@Odysseus087

10 жыл бұрын

kathy kelly are you aware that most the countries that offer a higher minimum wage than the united states also have lower unemployment?

@josephscott3096

10 жыл бұрын

Lmao, where's the money going to come from?

@kathykelly5930

10 жыл бұрын

Odysseus087 Not really true. Depending on what time your looking at. Right now maybe, but before our recession, no. Youth unemployment has been notoriously high in Europe for decades. Thats who is most affected by minimum wage laws.

@kathykelly5930

10 жыл бұрын

***** No thats circular logic. More ppl won't have jobs because your raising the price of employment. And even if ppl don't lose jobs, prices will just rise because of the extra money the working poor have and employers trying to recoup losses. Coercion isn't sharing.

Where do fast food workers go from $15 an hour? They go to $20 an hour which is what fast food workers are paid in Denmark.

The "opportunity" to work for 3 dollars.

"I don't know what 'efficacy' means" I like this guy, he's honest.

@GHOSTPLANEtable

4 жыл бұрын

About words he doesnt know and that's it.

@sivervipa

3 жыл бұрын

This is the difference between a libertarian and a conservative differ on. Libertarians will eventually be honest in a debate. They eventually turn their filter off. Conservatives have to lie or they will be completely exposed as just protecting their in-group.

I would argue that one gains zero skills at a minimum wage job and people who accept this kind of job have no other choice and cannot be without income for any period of time. They are stuck there with little prospect of anything better. Starvation wage jobs existing decreases economic mobility.

@nukiradio

4 жыл бұрын

Well, applying reason tends to outdo most of the old libertarian arguments

20:40 Sam is right of course. Before child labour laws, children's small hands were perfect for fixing machines in cotton factories - their tiny fingers were also expendable.

Libertarian thinker: "The decision to have a family is a decision, right?!" Yeah, I did a thorough cost-benefit analysis before I decided I wanted to marry my wife and have children with her...

@iamtrulyfree

5 жыл бұрын

You definitely should have...

@gurugasch

5 жыл бұрын

@@iamtrulyfree The point is that you shouldn't have to. Do you honestly think the ability to have a loving family should be inextricably tied to wealth?

@PR--un4ub

3 жыл бұрын

@@gurugasch Nu.

@mattizzle81

2 жыл бұрын

@@gurugasch Not necessarily tied to wealth, but definitely tied to the ability to make wise decisions in life and not completely mess your finances up by your own doing, yes.

@bitchywoman

9 ай бұрын

@@mattizzle81 so much for life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness.. apparently that is an earned thing now.

Where does Sam get these fools

@AmericanResponses1

10 жыл бұрын

Both of these guys are class A dumbasses.

@robertstan298

4 жыл бұрын

@@AmericanResponses1 Your comment is a class A+++ enlightened dumb fuck line.

@nielsjensen4185

4 жыл бұрын

Because fools like to try and justify their foolish beliefs by "destroying" their opponent as it feels good to "win."

This libertarian guy is like the typical Christian, picking and choosing what he wants from the ideology. In BOTH cases this is disingenuous and in BOTH cases you cant call yourself one of them, if you are rejecting what they say. If you can pick and choose where God was right and wrong in the bible then why bother with the bible at all? If regulations are allowed in capitalism then they are allowed to be negotiated for EVERYTHING, why all this bullshit about 'freedom' and the 'free market'? Both Christianity and libertarians are filled with authoritarians, this guy would be considered a libertarian/christian in name only to these totalitarians. Its always the same with libertaians they are shallow simplistic thinkers and when this is exposed SUDDENLY they start to redefine whaat a libertarian is. Its exactly the same in christianity where factionalism is rife - they all CLAIM the one true christianity even when they directly disagree with oneanother and what the bible says....

"I'd be happy to hire an unskilled, uneducated worker for 5$ an hour" guy basically wants slaves.

@Lucky-nv2ph

2 жыл бұрын

And thats is the giffs of it, these libatarians just want a neo-feudal society

@vincesmith2499

2 жыл бұрын

If they agree to it, it's not slavery. Nobody is harmed by a voluntary agreement. Therefore, it should not be illegal. Freedom rules!

@PR--un4ub

2 жыл бұрын

@@vincesmith2499 Hi, libertarian.

Hello from the future. Minimum wage is still $7.25 Fast food already moving towards automation. Thank God we didn't raise the minimum wage AMIRITE???

@nukiradio

4 жыл бұрын

Nope..still poor

Uhh Mad Max beyond Thunderdom called , they want their libertarians back.

@5TailFox

8 жыл бұрын

Yup. Along with every Fallout game.

@KznnyL

4 жыл бұрын

Amen. That is the perfect description of the world under Libertarianism.

@johnholland9371

3 жыл бұрын

Can't we get BEYOND thunderdome?

Sam you destroyed this guy. He had nothing! No data, no valid ideas on the ramifications of his proposed policy or how it would work in the real world. He was inconsistent with no indication of an adherence to principle in his ideas and nothing to back up his spin. Just like the ideas of every libertarian I have ever seen speak the enactment of his policy would never survive contact with reality as something positive and he had absolutely nothing to even suggest it would.

@sharper68

10 жыл бұрын

***** I agree my taxes should not be paying to kill others. That being said that act does not invalidate the collection of taxes or the existence of our society. When we as a collective whole are responsible for bad actions in our name is our responsibility to speak out and see that policy changed. Not paying taxes does not solve the issue as it is not taxes but bought and paid for leadership who are stepping into wars for profit that are the issue. Take out the incentive for our leaders doing the will war lobby and more of your taxes can be spent where they are supposed to, here at home.

@sharper68

10 жыл бұрын

***** Well that is your position but I am not one to cut off my nose to spite my face. When you have an element that is part of a large system that is broken you do not throw away the whole thing to fix it. You may be right that we have slipped off the rails and am inclined to agree. That being said I am not ready to write off the entire thing until real effort is made to it back on track. I see no advantage in chaos before every avenue to fix what we have is explored and we still have paths to do just that.

"I can pay a guy $5 an hour and he can live in a homeless shelter". Sam: "You want a guy to live in a homeless shelter so you can pay him $5 an hour?" ....."That's not what I said"....

Damn Sam is making a mockery out of this Libertarian's logic because he is sounding dumber by the minute and constantly contradicting himself lol.

He acts like showing his own internal logic is inconsistent is a "gotcha" instead of just proving that his ideas are all wrong and dumb.

Wow...I've never really known what Libertarians think, but I've been bingeing on these debates and wow, their cognitive dissonance, myopia, ignorance and general naïveté is astounding.

@ace9resistance

4 жыл бұрын

Yep their theories sounds like fox news sound bites. When you put any pressure on any of their points they become flakes.

@robinsss

4 жыл бұрын

'''''''''wow, their cognitive dissonance, myopia, ignorance and general naïveté is astounding.''''''''''' yes democrats like Sam should think more logically

@PR--un4ub

3 жыл бұрын

@@robinsss Way to quote mine. "A. G." was clearly referring to libertarians.

The segue between “go easy on Nazi soldiers” to “minimum wage debating” at the 6minute mark was comedy gold

That's it, I'm getting a Sam Seder membership!!.. I've seen way to many of these great videos... No one is messing with Sam in debates, or even his informative videos. Keep it up MR!!

@kathykelly5930

10 жыл бұрын

Molyneux destroyed him, Seder mostly picks out dumb libertarian's to debate

@silat13

10 жыл бұрын

kathy kelly Maybe on your planet but on earth it didnt go down that way.

@kathykelly5930

10 жыл бұрын

silat13 Sam's arguments basically boiled down to without gov't roads wouldn't exist and everyone would murder each other. He seemed completely ignorance of plenty of history supporting the great impacts private industry have had in what is usually thought of as public services.

@StunnedByStupidity

10 жыл бұрын

kathy kelly Somalia - QED - moron...

@sajfen

10 жыл бұрын

StunnedByStupidity yes a failed state is an awesome example of the greatness of states ...

Minimum wage laws can help many businesses. If you’re a business that wants happier, better workers, so you want to pay them more, but then maybe you can’t compete with another business that doesn’t. If you legislate minimum wages, and the other business has to pay their workers more,then maybe you can.

'Okay, *nervous laugh* okay, then _I've_ broken the law.' - Matt DiGeronimo, aware he was being recorded

BTW, $10/hour in 1992 is $16.61 in 2013 dollars.

@AcceptSolitude

10 жыл бұрын

Fuck me. I wish I had a job that payed that much.

@panama2468

4 жыл бұрын

Got em

46th minute - "I don't know what efficacy means..." Matt, what the fuck?

'If i have to pay my employees the new minimum wage ill be out of business or I wont hire' 1 year into minimum wage raise... 'I still hire people and im not out of business' This is the story of the minimum wage rise and business.

I love how over the years Sam has become a better libertarian than most libertarians. He’s a small business owner, has built and invested capital, and obeys the principle of property rights despite his large army of bloodthirsty mercenaries.

Wow, this guy is super evasive when he knows he's wrong and can't give an answer to support his ideas (which was all the time). He's giving advice on the radio?! That's terrifying. 😳

@CjLegend

2 жыл бұрын

Then do something about it since its so terrifying, Karla

@PR--un4ub

2 жыл бұрын

@@CjLegend Speak up, I can't hear you.

@Jefferson-ly5qe

Жыл бұрын

Standard libertarian debate tactics

UPS truck loaders is also a union job I worked at UPS during this time

Minimum wage was meant to be a living wage xD

56 minutes in - the solution is not less regulations the solution is to get money out of politics so we get fairer regulations that will subsidize small business and promote growth instead of paying the costs of walmart and mcdonalds. he has it completely the wrong way around.

"If we all put forth the effort, we could put McDonald's out of business." So you would rather see hundreds of thousands of people jobless rather than give them a livable wage?

@nukiradio

4 жыл бұрын

Ahhh isee, veddivell, veddivell

@DrFunk-rk6yl

2 жыл бұрын

Wellll...he did say there are homeless shelters for them.

Hehe, college students get a good job cause they spent 4 years at Harvard and have some grades to show for it. Don't know if spending 4 years with a hobo unable to pay them more than $5/hour is as prestigious.

Sam is so good at making these guys argue against their own points.

This man would crumble to tears and revelations the world over if he had to live one month at $5 an hour wage.

It's ironic that he says that current minimum wage jobs are dead end jobs that lead to just other minimum wage jobs with no skill training, but somehow his $2/hr job suddenly WILL provide skill training?

@firstlast9916

2 жыл бұрын

I had a $4 per hour job. It was a good start when I lived with my parents. Now I’m at $50 per hour.

@anthonydelfino6171

Жыл бұрын

@@firstlast9916 and considering how long it's been since $4 was a legal wage, you're telling on yourself on how disconnected you are with how much buying power this has. It's been a long time since the late 80s, and nowadays you can't live on the $4/hr wage you made let alone the $2 wage this guy is proposing. And spoiler alert, most minimum wage workers these days aren't kids at home living with their parents.

@firstlast9916

Жыл бұрын

@@anthonydelfino6171 why would anybody move out of their parents house if they are making minimum wage? If you are dumb enough to try to live on your own on minimum wage then you deserve to suffer. Those are the consequence of not improving your resume or getting into an apprenticeship. If you didn’t know about trade schools or engineering schools or nursing schools or medical assisting then you deserve to live with your dumb parents till they die.

Business owner hires the least number of workers necessary to meet the demand for his product. Whatever the minimum wage, he will not hire an additional worker if he does not need an extra worker. If the demand for his product falls, and he can meet the lower demand with fewer workers, he will lay off some of his workers, whatever the minimum wage. Higher minimum wage could result in lower profit for the business, or the need to adopt new technology, if that is available and cost effective, or he can increase the price. (He will be on the same level playing field with other businesses because they will all be paying the same minimum wage )or he must sell or close his business, if it is not a viable business. why should labor be asked to make less than a living wage to keep the profits high and comfortable.

@jacquescelliers6644

8 жыл бұрын

+Roguemember I am really not sure what you are trying to say or what point you are trying to make. Can you clarify what you mean by "employers still demand the same amount". The same amount of what?

@miankhoji

7 жыл бұрын

I did not forget, I specifically stated that every business will be subject to the law, and the playing field will remain the same. If the price of labor (wage) goes up, the demand for labor will remain the same, if the demand for products remains the same. Demand determines employment.

@jefftribiano1875

5 жыл бұрын

Eric Donn this is a perfect example of the propaganda you learned in school. This is such cookie cutter nonsense You ought to be ashamed of yourself. I'd like to be charitable and say you were doctrinated but the way you write seems to me it's just plain old low IQ.

@Danielle-zq7kb

5 жыл бұрын

Exactly! The minimum wage levels the playing field!

@MarkStoverPiX

5 жыл бұрын

Jeff Tribiano ... Sam told you the data dude. You got something to share?

Sam is a literal massive brain and he has an answer for literally any question I wish to be more like sam

"I don't think I'm being inconsistent by drawing a line" Yes that's exactly the problem with libertarianism. You just want to move your lines to favor corporations and the powerful.

omfg this is radio host!? I had this running in the background while I played some Path of Exile, and figured it was one of the spectacularly ignorant randoms that calls to defend libertarianism. I mean I shouldn't be shocked to alt-tab to find... _this..._ but I am.

"We need to get really remedial here, Matt" - ha Libertarians - please please please keep phoning into this show. It's amazingly entertaining to hear your economic ideas out loud, they fall apart instantly. Also, I have to say that Matt's argument against the minimum wage is totally wrong - there is a wealth of evidence to suggest that an increase in the minimum wage would be beneficial to the overall economy of the country......who does Matt think spends money in the capitalist marketplace? It's not the C.E.O's and millionaires.... Matt's got no answers to the minimum wage problem in America, all he can say is "don't shop there", which is wholly inadequate as a debate point. Keep up the good work, Sam :)

so he wants us all to subsidize his cheap labor. shocker.

I dislike that they were laughing at him in the beginning for saying that it’s very likely that they would have been Nazis or Nazi sympathizers in 1930s/40s. That’s a huge philosophical issue amongst people. And the truth is that if you were there, it’s statistically likely you would sympathize with Nazis. Sorry, sucks to hear. But that’s simply statistically likely

Why can't anyone ever admit they are WRONG!?!?!

33:27 His unpaid internship story completely undermine his entire argument. He had a job that paid him enough to live off of. This allowed him to take an unpaid internship to learn the skills needed later in life.

I listen to the first 15 minutes, the guy sounds perfectly cool and reasonable besides the kind of silly Nazi bit. Then I read the comments and realize the best is yet to come......

@TheSquareOnes

2 жыл бұрын

Ironically I think the nazi part was actually his strongest segment in this conversation. It seemed like he was just saying that it was likely that many of them didn't want to be doing what they were doing but were afraid to stand out since it would mean death for them and their family, which is a pretty reasonable assumption and actually an important part of what makes political movements of that nature so terrifying since once they gain social momentum it becomes exponentially more difficult to undo them from within. Now, WHY he was making this point could still lead to some very questionable territory of course. Randomly bringing up sympathies for literal nazis is never a good look, so one can only hope this was on topic for a larger conversation and not just the entirety of his point. Still, the basic idea of it shouldn't be too offensive on its own.

Every Libertarian I see speak goes off the rails within 5 minutes. All it takes is asking them to logically explain a statement they've made.

The reality that I believe gets missed in these debates is that the government sets the rules for the market and then authorizes the formation of companies to operate within the market. If your business cannot survive in the market conditions then, according to market economics, you are supposed to close up shop and get out of the way so someone else can try. So if your business cannot survive because the minimum wage is too high then get out of the way. 'My business can't survive unless I hire children so we need to get rid of that barrier' Isn't really different than: 'My business can't survive unless I hire workers for $3/hr so we need to get rid of that barrier.' OR 'My business can't survive unless I can dump my poisonous waste in the river, so we need to get rid of that barrier.'

@ilikeme1234

7 жыл бұрын

Exactly... Plus the simple fact that we subsidize any business that doesn't pay a livable wage. Whether it is through government programs or the libertarian wet dream of voluntary charity or family support..

@ace9resistance

4 жыл бұрын

Perfect.

this guy bit off more than he can chew

28.30 people should work at 5bucks an hour and go to live in homeless shelter, simple!

@lovebigpelicankocks2071

7 жыл бұрын

Zx Spectrum You wouldn't even have a job.

It’s insane that libertarians can’t see the contradictions in their arguments even when Sam pretty much hand draws em out

I have to say on the whole nazi issue at the start I think Sam was wrong. Evil is in the situation you are put in not the person you are and psychological studies like the Milgram experiment and Stanford prison experiment show this. I felt like Sam was kind of laughing at the guy for saying he didn’t know what he would have done but I think that’s arrogant and a misinformed understanding of the psychological literature on the nazis and evil.

god damn, every time I start leaning towards libertarian ideology I have to watch one of these videos. Speaking of government jobs, the government should step in here and employ someone to stop Sam from clobbering these guys so hard- just on a purely humanitarian level

@user-nl6md8pu6y

9 жыл бұрын

Do what I do, embrace Libertarianism only in civil freedoms and identity but not economy.

@marianascausari15

9 жыл бұрын

poorandimmature You do know that the federal government spends nearly the entirety of its budget on welfare and the military, The roads and infrastructure are literally only 3% of the budget. This talking point is complete progressive fantasy.

@user-nl6md8pu6y

9 жыл бұрын

Marianas Causari That's a complete lie, far more people depend upon the infrastructure than social welfare programs. You can view federal budgets on .gov sites and none of them report welfare costing more than freeways, subways and skytrains. The maintenance alone of existing infrastructure is one of the most expensive efforts of any government in the world. It requires a huge payroll of higly trained professionals. It requires the rental or production of expensive equipment, materials and machinery. It requires the preparation of often unsuitable terrain which requires more government contracts and demolition expertise. Research and development costs for new infrastructure (especially in terms of energy production) requires world class architects and even genius level scientists. Any of these things cost governments tenfold what it costs to provide the few social programs America provides for its qualifying citizens.

@marianascausari15

9 жыл бұрын

Corey Knight Lol look up the numbers dope. Roads are financed by state and city bonds. Did you even bother to do basic research before forming an opinion? How can you expect to be taken seriously when you don't even know the basic facts. www.usgovernmentspending.com/federal_budget_pie This chart has transportation at 2% for 2014. It hovers around that year over year. So yeah do some basic research before you make an ass out of yourself spewing out economic theories based off of your ideological leanings. Oh, I don't like it so you're lying. I'm not going to throw out a counter figure or even provide evidence.Who needs facts when you have ideology am I right.

@user-nl6md8pu6y

8 жыл бұрын

Marianas Causari That's not even a credible source, its not even a fucking official government site.

Whew! That was difficult to listen to. Nice job Sam.

Watching Sam debate libertarians is so damn funny.

My only question is: How does Matt DiGeronimo have a job?

@eiyukabe

10 жыл бұрын

Libertarianism is a trend for young people who don't think they should have to be responsible or considerate for how their actions affect the complex ecosystem we call society. As long as there is such an underdeveloped, immature subgroup of society (and there always will be), people like DiGeronimo will make money saying what said group wants to hear: selfishness packaged under the glossy label of "freedom" (for who to do what? Never answered, just "freedom").

@bradengilleland1343

10 жыл бұрын

***** I love how you are accusing a significant group of people of being simple minded, while not even taking the time to use proper grammar. You should not be so foolish as to generalize such a vast group of people. Libertarians, of which I am one, are not stupid, just as liberals and conservatives are not stupid. All parties have stupid people within them, but no party is inherently foolish. You speak with this condescension, as if to be smart one must agree with you, but this is a ludicrous mentalitiy, as it is one people of all parties believe, but you are too simple minded, too arrogant, to realize this. Do not criticize libertarians for holding their beliefs. Do not, in particular, call them stupid simply because you disagree with them, for it is you who is most deserving of such an insult as you are the one generalizing such a vast group of people.

@WeGotTehPie

10 жыл бұрын

***** I guess Milton Friedman and Thomas Sowell are both idiots...

@bradengilleland1343

10 жыл бұрын

Jeffrey Crenshaw That is not even remotely true, not a single aspect of it. Libertarians are not against the environment, they are just against government involvement in it. They would rather the polluters be held liable for the damage they do the environment and to peoples health, rather than have the state throw in it's hand. They would rather people collectively sue polluting companies, and to collectively boycott them, than to use government coercion to solve the problem. Libertarianism is inherently idealistic, as are ALL other political philosophies, including whatever one you think is superior. However our idealism is no reason for you to call us immature, or to imply we are all collectively stupid. Our opinions are founded on the non aggression principle, meaning we believe we should not initiate force to get what we want. This is why an overreaching state is vile to us, for we see it as asserting coercive power where the people would better execute such a thing. Libertarianism is founded on the ideal of freedom, because we believe people are innately good and capable of making their own decisions, you, on the other hand, are a narcissist, for you believe everyone who disagrees with your ideal is either under educated, or deceived. Libertarians are amongst the few that are for personal responsibility, for they believe the government should not have to regulate people, as people will regulate themselves. For you to argue you are for responsibility, is incredibly ironic.

@bradengilleland1343

10 жыл бұрын

WeGotTehPie To these people, they probably are. Anyone opposed to the state, in their mind, must be stupid. Isn't it incredible?

I'm so impressed, Sam absolutely destroyed this guy the first time. He's legitimately improved, although he basically had to all but renounce his libertarianism to do that lol.

jesus that matt guy was friggin just omg that was so amazing. I really think he had no idea what he was talking about.

I'd say he's right with the first piece. We believe the best in ourselves, but it usually is unfounded. Look to the psychology experiments done on this. Stanford Prison Experiment. Landis Facial Experiment. The Third Wave. Or worse yet Milgram's Experiment. I would say he is more correct than you on this.

@PR--un4ub

3 жыл бұрын

Nah.

My first job was at a gas station and I've since worked at 3 different gas stations - I never got paid minimum wage. The wage competition for workers can be pretty fierce depending on where you are. And if a corner gas station goes out of business, so what? They go out of business all the time! That's part of capitalism. If you can't afford to pay your workers, maybe your business should go out. It's sad, but that's capitalism. I never understand why ppl who are so gung-ho about capitalism seem to think that businesses should be propped up and subsidized when they clearly aren't making enough money to stay open. So what if they have to raise their prices? That's part of capitalism!

"I mean, Sam, c'mon. Stop making valid, data-based points."

No Nazi was ever punished , much less murdered, for not killing non combatants, btw-whether it was marching people into the forest or anyone who worked for the SS and its ‘other countried subsidiaries’.

is there any libertarian debate where the libertarian guy didn't end up screaming his head off at Sam

The Burger King job is considered an unskilled job. Caller sort of implied that burger Kings basic job is a skilled position. Even most gm factory jobs are considered unskilled. Most of those jobs are on the line. No different that flipping burgers. They just put in three screws on the driver's visor, but for $30 an hour. Unskilled.

@robinsss

4 жыл бұрын

there are low wage low skill jobs and high wage low sill jobs when did he imply that Burger King workers are skilled laborers ?

I like to use words and phrases that have no actual meaning. ~M. Geronimo

This. Is. Gold. Everyday. Every weekday I listen to the show and occasionally hear this outro and finally hearing the full context of the interview? Amazing.

that was really embarrassing. i actually felt bad for the guy

Richard Feynman once remarked, "If you think you understand quantum mechanics, you don't understand quantum mechanics." The same could be said of libertarianism.

This was like watching Betty White in boxing match with Mike Tyson. Poor DiGeronimo was so outclassed.

Great debate, but I wish you would have brought up Glass Steagle and how it helped to maintain regulations and at the same time creating the most prosperous era in America history.

When this guys said he got paid TEN DOLLARS AN HOUR to load trucks in 1992!! That was a TON of money at that time. He knows that people can get promotions at minimum wage jobs, right? That being the manager of a McDonald’s would give someone a ton a skills that are easily applicable to many other jobs. I grew up with a girl who started working at Burger King when she was 16, never went to college, straight up owns that Burger King now. Managed it and then bought the franchise. Not something everyone can or should do,

"listen Sam, I only brought up Nazis because I've listened to a TED talk of a lesbian" trolol, one of Matt's rare funny moments.