Good video. Great job explaining everything

@gouletfilms

3 жыл бұрын

Thank you! I’m sure I missed a few things, but tried my best to pass along any information I picked up.

I’m running a newer sterling 10.5 with the e locker mod so I stayed with the metric bolt pattern

@gouletfilms

4 жыл бұрын

Nice!

Yeah you're right about a $100 bucks is unheard of I got mines off of Ebay with everything thing on it hub to hub for $700 ....for my solid axle swap on my dmax 👍🏿👍🏿

@gouletfilms

3 жыл бұрын

I guess I got really lucky. That’s still cheaper than a kingpin axle though!

@ernestjohnson1807

Жыл бұрын

It depends on where you live. I payed $850 for a set of 09 i think, superdutys. With 4.30s and a rear locker.

@gouletfilms

Жыл бұрын

Locker!!! 👌

Only thing I dont like is you can't just change wheel bearings like the 92-97 D60. Gotta swap the entire hub assembly. Way more expensive to maintain.

@gouletfilms

2 жыл бұрын

Yup, that’s a good comment and I agree with you!

@ernestjohnson1807

Жыл бұрын

How often do you change wheel bearings? I love the ease of the unit bearing over packing wheel bearings.

@gouletfilms

Жыл бұрын

Depends on abuse. Rock crawling and large tires seem to be hard on them!

This was awesome! Thank you man

@gouletfilms

3 жыл бұрын

You’re welcome! Thanks for the positive feedback.

Good video, lots of info. Thumbs up! Too bad you didn't do a full video series on Dana 60 axle swap. Cheers.

@gouletfilms

Жыл бұрын

Thanks for the positive feedback. I may still do more videos on D60 stuff, just need to finish the shop first (I’m close). Cheers!

Old videos make me sad to hear how cheap stuff once was. Damn people on market place want 1k for just front axle

@gouletfilms

3 ай бұрын

Yup, totally agree!

Thanks

Love the videos man

@gouletfilms

4 жыл бұрын

Thanks!

Injoy the video thks im new at this like to 4x4 my G20 chev van left hand drop have the 4l80 and transfer case should I go springs or coil with 05 f250 diffs thks

@gouletfilms

3 жыл бұрын

The 05 F250 front axle came with coil springs, so it would be easiest to use similar to that (then the brackets can stay on the axle). Most people are cutting off all the brackets so they can 3 or 4 link the suspension and use coilover shocks.

Nice video! Learned a thing or two about axles, grinding, etc. Really looking forward to seeing that axle cleaned up. Sandblast?

@gouletfilms

4 жыл бұрын

Thanks! Some modifications (like a truss and whatnot) are needed before cleaning it up fully. Would be nice to sandblast it.

What would, if possible, to convert ball joints to king pin so I could do a bolt on high steer arms on my 2007 super duty ?

@gouletfilms

7 ай бұрын

I have not heard of anyone ever doing this. Plus, the kingpin knuckles are weaker, so this would be a bit of a downgrade. If I were you, I’d go with a weld-on high steer arm (and have a qualified welder do the work). I’ve also seen knuckles machined with flat spots and holes drill and tapped for custom high steer arms, which is your second option.

No pallets were harmed in the making of this video.

@gouletfilms

3 жыл бұрын

Haha! 😂

Great video. Any updates? Did you ever get it installed in the truck? Im researching installing this same axle in a 79 Bronco. Which is a bit narrower at the front springs and at radius arms as well then the 80+ trucks. I have already swapped one of these axles into an 87 Bronco but as the widths were the same its basically a bolt in swap, just a few holes drilled for the radius arm brackets to frame. Id like to see how the install goes on a 70s truck.

@gouletfilms

3 жыл бұрын

Thanks! No updates with the ‘79 F150 as I changed my mind and plan to go a completely different direction with the project. However, you should note that I cut off all the brackets because I intended on a 3-link with coilovers to put the axle under the 70’s frame. Many Jeep guys do this as well. In my opinion, that’s the best way to go.

@kevinfrazier9038

Жыл бұрын

When you did the 87 bronco did you do the rear as well? If you did, did you have to shorten the rear drive shaft?

@Buckhorn2

Жыл бұрын

@@kevinfrazier9038 you will need to modify the driveshaft length and the rear yoke as well. The rear diff has a flange so you need to remove the bronco rear yoke (on the shaft) and change it to a 1ton flange bolt pattern. Any driveshaft shop can do this mod easily. The rear driveshaft ujoint i believe is a 1410.

@kevinfrazier9038

Жыл бұрын

@@Buckhorn2 do you happen to know the length you had to shorten the drive shaft?

@Buckhorn2

Жыл бұрын

@@kevinfrazier9038 you will need to measure it, if your running the stock transfer case you will need the double cardan on the front and a flange yoke added to the rear of the shaft. you will need to install the rear end then take a measurement. for what you need. It can be different based on your pinion angle, or if your running blocks, lift etc. My bronco has a 460 and e40d swapped in, and transfer case from an 03 superduty which has flange rear yoke. So my measurement is definitely different than yours as my driveshaft is flanged front and rear.

I have an 87 F250 460 5speed four-wheel drive but it does not have a solid front axle... I just put brand new brakes calipers rotors hoses it turns out it has a 44 axle why so small the rear axle is a Ford corporate

@gouletfilms

4 жыл бұрын

I believe back then they had TTB front ends. You could always swap in a solid axle, just depends what you plan to use the rig for.

@billthompson5644

4 жыл бұрын

@@gouletfilms I got really messed up, this will be the first time I've been able to drive it in 6 years. I have a plow on it an 8-foot Western but I don't go out for people I'm not capable of it I used to be.

@LScout800

4 жыл бұрын

I have a 91 f250 with the dana 50 TTB. I got a 92 dana 60 pit of an f350 for another project. I took measurements and if you used the steering and driveshaft off the f350 it is a bolt in swap. The track bar off the f350 does not have a mount on the f250, and you would need a different sway bar. Other than that it bolts in.

So is the 05+ also considered the super 60 i recently got a super 60 and have been confused looking for lockers

@coltonlantz3223

Жыл бұрын

Helps when you watch the whole video lol but im still confused on the ring,pinion and locker situation between the d60 and the super 60

@gouletfilms

Жыл бұрын

My understanding is that the Super 60 is a separate axle that came in the F450/550. Even though it’s separate, it’s based off the Dana 60. I believe the centre section is the same and comes with a larger 10” ring gear (therefore you can put a Super 60 ring/pinion into a regular Dana 60). I believe the lockers are the same no matter which one you have, and the major difference is from the knuckles out. Don’t quote me on any of this though. Cheers and good luck!

Keep it up

@gouletfilms

Жыл бұрын

Thanks!

Would it be worth it to swap the axle out of my 2001 dodge ram 1500

@gouletfilms

Жыл бұрын

Do you mean put a D60 under your Dodge? If you’re building a wheeler with bigger tires, then the answer is YES! 🙂

@gunsandhorsepower

Жыл бұрын

@@gouletfilms im talking about a mud racing truck

@gouletfilms

Жыл бұрын

Yup the D60 will be more durable

@gunsandhorsepower

Жыл бұрын

@@gouletfilms i was wondering cause i have 38.5 in the front and 39 bloggers in the back with the stock Dana 44 spicer and runs deep pit and speed pit

I would say unit bearings are also a con.. while semi easier to replace..they are far more expensive and have to be bigger in size to not fail or wear out.. while the 79 are simple spindle and bearings, cheaper , and spread apart more for better load spread.. but also the ring gear on the SD is only a 1/4" bigger.. not much extra strength.. It's easy to put 35 spline outers in a kp 60. Also, compared to the 99+ SD60 to new, they had to make the knuckles have a wider spread because they were inadequate and people were having issues. Dana 60 knockle gussets are cheap and there are Reid and dedenbaer knuckles to eliminate any issues.. that being said, there's not much difference between swapping them and removing all the brackets and welding new ones on a SD 60. Just my .02.. I would still choose kp Dana 60 over an SD... Plus I don't see Rockwell's, or axletechs with ball joints or unit bearings..just saying

@gouletfilms

2 жыл бұрын

Hey Greg, I totally appreciate the comment and I think those are great talking points. I plan to do some knuckle reinforcements somewhat soon, so I do like some of the things you’ve stated here. Stay tuned for some of those videos. Cheers Greg! 🍻

@gregleblond9367

2 жыл бұрын

@@gouletfilms I'm sure people will disagree and that's fine. I do think there's validity in going with a SD60. Although I do question at that point, why not go to a Dana 80 or super 70 or even a Rockwell.. same rough amount of work. I could sell my kp60 and buy a set of Rockwell's ( mind blown). I look forward to more of your videos 👍

@gouletfilms

2 жыл бұрын

@@gregleblond9367 thanks!! And you’re entitled to your opinion. The KP 60 and SD 60 each have their place.

@Kyle-ev4fk

Жыл бұрын

The main issue with a KP60 is that there are not enough of them to go around.

So which is better ? 2005 + ?

@gouletfilms

Жыл бұрын

There are pros and cons to each, better in which way? Strength-wise, stock axle vs. stock axle, I’d say the 05+!

Saw mastercraft and sub'd on the spot

@gouletfilms

2 жыл бұрын

Haha thanks for the sub!

Bad ass

How can I tell between Dana 50 and 60? I found a 2001 f250 with a good deal but idk if it’s a 60? Also why is the 2005+ axle better than the older models?

@gouletfilms

11 ай бұрын

05+ is beefier and a D50 doesn’t exist I n 05+ I believe. It’s hard to tell the difference between a D50 and D60, since you have to pull axles to see them neck down. 01 F250 likely came with a D50 though. I think you need to look for an F350 to find the D60

@bedlamite42

16 күн бұрын

Look at the top of the pumpkin. 99-01 D50 has a square casting sticking out and a number 229. 02-04 D60 has a diamond shape and number 248.

@gouletfilms

16 күн бұрын

@bedlamite42 thanks! I just learnt something valuable!

@bedlamite42

15 күн бұрын

@@gouletfilms blueovaltrucks tech-articles has more info and pics

You stoled that axle for a Benjamin! 👍

@gouletfilms

Жыл бұрын

It was a few years ago, prices have come up. But yes, I was definitely lucky too!

Do the a 2005+ f250 gas trucks still run a 60 unfront?

@gouletfilms

3 жыл бұрын

Yes, as long as it’s a 4x4 of course. Your question is a good one, because some of the older (pre-2005) Superduty front axles were named a D50 because there was a neck-down in the axle-shafts (but from the outside, they appeared the same as a D60). However, this is not the case for 05+.

@canamcartel9694

3 жыл бұрын

@@gouletfilms thanks. yeah i know of the dana 50's.just wasnt sure if they put them in 05+ 4x4 gas trucks still.

@gouletfilms

3 жыл бұрын

I’m pretty sure the D50 ended in 2002, but don’t quote me on that one. 2005 and newer though, you’re safe!

Picked up a 2011 F-250 axle for about a grand... CA sales tax didnt help

@gouletfilms

3 жыл бұрын

Prices sure do vary a lot based on location. I got pretty lucky with mine. Good luck with the build!

@runningproblem

3 жыл бұрын

I picked up an 89 Ford Dana 60 and sterling 10.25 for about $1,300. Just depends when you get lucky to find what you want.

@martincurtis2257

3 жыл бұрын

@@gouletfilms thanks!

@ronfrance4041

3 жыл бұрын

Just picked up a complete ‘05 Dana 60 front for $250

@gouletfilms

3 жыл бұрын

@@ronfrance4041 where are you located, out of curiosity?

Seems like a dead give away on identifying that axle is all the shit you took off of it. What are the 99-04 cons?

@gouletfilms

Жыл бұрын

Similar pros and cons when comparing the 99-04 to a KP 60. When comparing the 99-04 to the 05+, you just need to realize they beefed stuff up in 2005. Guys run the 99-04 D60 in their wheeling rigs with success! The big thing to watch for is the “Dana 50” from 99-04, which appears identical to a 60 from the outside but came with smaller parts (ie. the inner axle shafts neck down). Hope that helps! 🍻

@Kyle-ev4fk

Жыл бұрын

@@gouletfilms yes, thank you

@TheREALJosephTurner

Жыл бұрын

Biggest con (which could be subjective, depending on your build) for 99-04 is the short side leaf spring perch is cast in, meaning you're pretty much stuck with the Super Duty/Excursion spring width distance without a crap-ton of modification. I mean, you *could* shorten the long side tube and axle to narrow up the spring width (which would also narrow the width of the axle), but by the time you narrowed the tube and the axle, I'd consider that in the "crap-ton of modification" territory.

@TheREALJosephTurner

Жыл бұрын

Also, depending on what you are building, you don't necessarily have to discount the Dana 50. It's still a beefier axle than what many people are running in smaller Jeeps and S-10s on the trail. I haven't broke mine yet- it's the stock axle under my nearly-8000 lb Excursion, and I beat the snot out of that thing.

Are the 2001 f250 Dana 60 any good?

@gouletfilms

11 ай бұрын

They are decent, similar pros/cons as shown in this video. The 05+ is just beefier and has more aftermarket support. But I have a friend running a 99-04 D60 on 42’s with good success.

Where do you live that allowed you to buy that for $100??? Lol. Here in Cali these run $1,000+ lol

@gouletfilms

3 жыл бұрын

Haha! Well, I’m in Ontario, Canada, where a lot less people are building wheelers, and Superduty’s rust and get parted out more often. So I guess D60’s are more plentiful.

@townsendliving9750

3 жыл бұрын

I just bought a whole running 4x4 super duty for 1000 in pretty much great shape.

@gouletfilms

3 жыл бұрын

@@townsendliving9750 Nice find!👍

Cool video but the cons are wrong or subjective imo. Bolt pattern is entirely subjective. The 05+ ball joints are way stronger than the old kingpin tech. Larger wheels are needed because of the larger brakes, those are needed with larger tires. And the high steer kits are plentiful, also subjective. The newer SD 60 axles are superior to the kingpin axles in every way, especially when you factor in how huge the unit bearings are. People are just holding on to old tech with the Kingpin axles, they had their day and now it's over. And don't even get me started on a Super 60!

@gouletfilms

Жыл бұрын

Thanks for the feedback. I was definitely comparing to my kingpin axle and looking at it from an “upgrade” perspective. Knowing the 05+ is a better axle all around, there are cons to swapping it over (like bolt pattern for example). However, if it’s a fresh build, absolutely the 05+ is the better option. I did mention it has bigger brakes as a pro (with the caveat of needing bigger wheels, which doesn’t matter for a fresh build). I said high steer is more challenging, but the 05+ does have aftermarket support. People are quick to do the balljoint eliminator kits on these axles. Kingpin knuckles are definitely weaker, but the kingpin itself is not an issue from my experience. Anyway, good discussion all-around and hopefully people are reading comments to get as much information as possible! Thanks again for the feedback.

@RJayRabbit

Жыл бұрын

@@gouletfilms I want to reply by saying I was in no way bashing your vid, I dig it. I was just throwing in my .02 You keep rolling brother your helping the community!

@gouletfilms

Жыл бұрын

No issue, I appreciate the comments! Cheers!!

Wow you lucky man 100$ for that

@gouletfilms

3 жыл бұрын

For sure! It seems like prices greatly fluctuate by region. Wheeling isn’t too popular around here and F250’s seem to be plentiful, so prices aren’t inflated (yet). Although Covid may be changing that. This particular D60 was purchased 2 years ago.

How do I identify the model of my differential?

@gouletfilms

Жыл бұрын

To identify a 2005 or newer, look for the brackets shown in the video. A quick way to notice them also is the shape of the inner C (with the flat mount built into it)

Don’t forget the newer D60’s are high pinion.. MUCH stronger

@gouletfilms

3 жыл бұрын

I appreciate the comment and agree that high-pinion is the way to go. However, the 78-79 kingpin D60 that I compare to in the video is in-fact also high-pinion.

@cajunmaker6917

3 жыл бұрын

@@gouletfilms oh nice.. I didn’t know that.

@Mitch_1991

2 жыл бұрын

@@cajunmaker6917 a year late but all ford kingpin axles are driver drop high pinion. Chevy ran the low pinion passenger drop d60s

Isnt this supposed to be a Dana Super 60 then?

@gouletfilms

3 жыл бұрын

Important Stuff the “Super 60” is a different axle that came in F450’s and up. It’s wider and has even larger inner C’s and knuckles.

@importantstuff1130

3 жыл бұрын

@@gouletfilms Thank you for clearing that up! But from 05 forward, there is also a bigger tube of 3.75 on the d60 in the front of ford HD's right? So something between the older d60 with the 3.15 tube and the actual super 60?

@gouletfilms

3 жыл бұрын

Important Stuff yes, you are correct, see just past the 2 minute mark in the video. FYI, the 05+ D60 (F250/F350) and the 05+ Super D60 (F450/F550) both have 3.75” OD axle tubes.

@importantstuff1130

3 жыл бұрын

@@gouletfilms Ah thank you very much! So they look the same from the outside, but differ in the inside. How is with Ram 2/3500 from that era? Do they also got something as beefy as those 3.75 tubes in the front?

@gouletfilms

3 жыл бұрын

Important Stuff I honestly don’t know much about the Ram axles. Sorry about that. I’m sure the info’s out there. I know the older ones were less desirable for a number of reasons, but not sure about the newer ones.

Bro ur sure this ain’t the Dana 55’s. 99-05 is Dana 55. The f350 srw dually shave the Dana 60’s.

@gouletfilms

Жыл бұрын

I’m positive the axle in the video is a Dana 60. The “Dana 55” you are referring to is a 99 to 04 axle that came in F250’s (I’ve heard them referred to as a “Dana 50”, but whatever). Essentially, they are the same as the Dana 60’s from those same years but came with neck down inner axles and a smaller ring gear set.

@TheREALJosephTurner

Жыл бұрын

The Dana 50 in the Super Duty line was discontinued before they ever made the switch to coils up front. If it's a coil-sprung axle out of the Super Duty line, it's ALWAYS going to be a 60.