I graduated last year in June (Data Science), had an interview with Google for a position called "Software Engineer, Early Career" same month. 3 weeks later they told me I passed on Monday, sent me the form to fill out where I'd want to work and in what area, and by Wednesday, my recruiter calls me telling me because of the hiring freeze, I'd no longer be considered. Because I had no internship experience it was impossible to find anywhere to even get an interview at. Ended up working at a contracting company at the beginning of this year, and I'm lucky enough to be put on one of the few client projects where I can get professional experience with Python / REST APIs / AWS. My uni has a STEM career fair in October I'm going to, hoping for some luck there.

@callous21

9 ай бұрын

When they ask where you want to work you mean where in three US or in the world?

@doseofdevy

9 ай бұрын

Yeah this seems to be the common theme especially with faang companies, but good luck in October man!!

@shawnfriedman537

9 ай бұрын

How are you even getting an interview without internships? I've had 3 internships with big names and can't even land a new grad interview.

@terezip2213

9 ай бұрын

contracting companies are where its at. low pay but they're usually small, so if you can manage to snag an internal referral, you're set. I'm a first year compsci/comp engineer fresh out of high school and somehow successfully pulled a casual position doing full stack webdev with an internal referral. target the small contract firms with your cha-risma my friends they love anyone who can oversell, that's their entire business model

@coupish

9 ай бұрын

@@terezip2213 are there any large contracting companies known for Jr swe positions?

Back in 2000, the word was that the Silicon Valley was full of entry-level jobs. I went though job listings for every company and couldn't find one single job posting for less than 2-years of experience. So, the explanation was that companies don't post the entry-level positions. Then, the advice became to apply for 2-years of experience jobs, sell your skills, and someone will hire you. Then, the explanation became that I was stupid or lazy.

@barondystopia

8 ай бұрын

I've seen the same thing with IT. Went from "you have a degree. Use that for your experience" to "just keep applying. Someone is bound to hire you!" to "have you considered volunteering your skills for experience?" to "maybe you just don't want this badly enough? You should be more ambitious!"

@michaeln.2383

8 ай бұрын

@@barondystopia Yeah, you're not searching hard enough. You're not being persistent. You must not be answering their questions right. You need to sell your skills. You have the routine of a chronic unemployed. You have a negative attitude. Use school projects as experience. Attitude is everything. The job market isn't terrible. It's all in your head. Employers aren't demanding experience. It's all in your head. There's always job openings. You just have to grab one. You need to go out and make it happen. You're not looking for a job in the right places. Get into an organization doing anything and then get the job you want. Go work for the state. They're always hiring. You're not networking. You're out of the loop. Everything is going to work out in the end. Don't worry. Be happy.

@MinisterRedPill

8 ай бұрын

​@@barondystopiaso in other words, it's always your fault. People always quick to gaslight

@michaeln.2383

8 ай бұрын

@@MinisterRedPill You're allowed a certain grace period. Then, the gas lighting starts.

@MinisterRedPill

8 ай бұрын

@@michaeln.2383 lol that might have sounded like it was aimed towards you. It wasn't. I was speaking generally. Based on your comment, people always assume it's our fault. But the job market is tough

Not even just in SWE, even IT jobs such as a Network Engineer and a System Admin are asking for 5-10+ years experience for entry level 🙃

@josho9910

8 ай бұрын

IT is different. People want proven skills in helpdesk. No such thing as someone getting hired directly to engineering.

@eman0828

8 ай бұрын

Network and Sysadmins or DevOps Engineer aren't entry level roles. Help Desk or Desktop Support are entry level. You start on the Help Desk and work your way up. I'm both a Linux Sysadmin and a T4 Field Tech. Most of my Linux experience came from self taught and running a home labs. I started on the Help Desk and worked my way up just like Network Chuck. No college degree or certifications.

@josho9910

8 ай бұрын

@@eman0828

@josho9910

8 ай бұрын

@@eman0828 College really can't make an engineer.. They kind of just do it themselves, it's why a lot of compsci majors end up in sales or outside of the industry.

@eman0828

8 ай бұрын

@@josho9910 yup. College degrees are over rated. Having the right skill sets and experience is what employers are looking for these days. Many DevOps Engineer and Cloud job postings even removed college requirements all together as they place more emphasis on experience. Like I tell people, only go to college if you plan on becoming an Electrical Engineer, Medical Doctor, Lawyer or Nurse.. other than that most college degrees are useless and a waste time and money going to massive amounts of debt.

This is why I just lie about my experience. The construction company one of my buddies ran out of his garage? Yeah I ran the entire IT department (1 laptop 1 printer) there for 3 years. I have 3 years of IT management experience.

This is the SAME exact thing that happened to STEM degree science majors when companies said they need more scientists. Come to find out there were no jobs.

@michaeln.2383

9 ай бұрын

There's always a shortage of everything or a "growing demand", but no jobs.

@jonasbaine3538

8 ай бұрын

The demand is there just not the money to pay for someone to spend months as a junior learning their job and how to fulfill the business demand.

@bluegodofspeed

8 ай бұрын

Wdym tho. I make 90k 2YOE with a Bachelor's. Like fr. Lmk if u need any tips.

@AbnerG787

7 ай бұрын

bingo, I studied chem engineering and there was a big demand, come to find out either you intern in college or you will never work as a chem eng because there are no entry lvl jobs, 10 yrs later still working as a lab tech, 3 interviews in those 10 yrs, for other lab tech jobs 😂, still at my first job

@michaeln.2383

7 ай бұрын

@@AbnerG787 You need like 2, 3, 4 internships. Then, it still probably isn't enough.

If you don't get a job as a developer start applying for an IT support it's easier to get and build connections during your first year and you will get something

@UzitheSaint

8 ай бұрын

Even that is the same honestly, applied for one and was one of the first 7 to apply, 10 hours later it was at 4,000+ applicants

@oscardeavila4559

8 ай бұрын

Shhhhh

@TheNpcNoob

8 ай бұрын

Since lockdown ended, remote jobs have become even more over applied

@KurlyHurley

8 ай бұрын

no no no no - pls do not do this, this was my plan. 5 years of IT support later, full of quals but no company wants to give up a good support tech for a junior dev(worked at 2 law firms and a large bank). the pay is literally half what you would get as a dev, and the general attitude most staff have towards IT support is ridiculous, I have now stepped away from support all together. applying for jobs you will find that showing you can work in a office based environment on team projects can come in handy, however I would focus everything you have on getting that apprenticeship/internship over taking a entry level job in a service desk or 1st line support

@logicmonster6197

8 ай бұрын

This is me rn, Hopefully I will be able to get a SWE job soon

One of the biggest issues is also the increasing tech stack, I personally have 11+ years of experience, and broke 6 figures over 4 years ago. So getting a job in IT for me is no issue, the problem is new jr. Devs have hurdles that didn't exist when I joined the tech scene in 2012. Now cloud expertise is now becoming mandatory, it is no longer good enough just to understand a programming language, you must have a much deeper repertoire in order to compete in todays market. And building in the cloud requires additional set of knowledge that just wasn't needed over a decade ago.

@blasandresayalagarcia3472

8 ай бұрын

Thanks for the insight, I am as a fact imediatly picking up on it literally as I write this. I recently graduated computer engineering this year and I've been applying but it is truly like a void, not even any interviews. Resorted to practicing and coming up with projects and things I wanted to do just to not atrophied. If you have any more feed back or recomendations, I would greatly apretiate it.

@ChristopherVickers

8 ай бұрын

@@blasandresayalagarcia3472 Good luck buddy. Honestly, if you want to go into a field that is still hiring: go into ServiceNow. I work with multiple companies and they were all looking for ServiceNow staff. You can move laterally from ServiceNow into almost any field because ServiceNow will touch most things if you know where to look. To sum up what ServiceNow is: it's basically a front end to a database, but the website can tie into lots of other systems and has back end programming, so you can make it do whatever you want. Companies use it as the storefront for all their systems. - Want to automatically create a user in AD and get it authorised by HR and the manager - ServiceNow - Want to fix a broken server - ServiceNow - Want to store user HR records - ServiceNow - Want to track the servers - ServiceNow - Want to log all the change requests - ServiceNow - Want to order a laptop - ServiceNow If I were starting at the bottom, its a great way to get in a very quickly move on/up/across.

@digie3823

8 ай бұрын

I guess that's skill inflation. It kinda made it easier but harder. It's counter intuitive i know

@piotrd.4850

8 ай бұрын

@@digie3823 best way to put it.

@norbs4004

7 ай бұрын

I feel even lucky I was hired by a contractor program that taught my cohort AWS I AM User, EC2 Instances, plus some Docker. I was laid off recently, but at least now I can throw those on my resume combined with my software developer experience, lol.

As a Senior developer, let me tell you that it's tough as well: more requirements, less pay, more competition... the market in 2023 is very different to previews years.

@darkwoodmovies

5 ай бұрын

Tell me about it... I get tons of emails, but all the salaries are what entry to mid level used to be and they're all asking for 10+ years of experience.

@angelg3642

3 ай бұрын

Greedy corporations always trying to get more for less 🤦‍♂. Just hire the necessary amount of people and don't overwork anyone

This is why I feel terrible for jobs in which your education does not count as experience. For example, me being a pilot took me getting all my certificates and ratings that all took hours to get. Even my training alone for all these took about 230 hours for me. This COUNTS as experience because it was me flying while learning a new plane or certificate. This still counted as experience because I was doing the flying.

@lks11

7 ай бұрын

@@Jadddddddddddddddddd who? I'm doing my Master's of Computer Science; no bootcamper could EVER do what I do without a Degree. The amount of background knowledge I have from my bachelor's dwarf's a self-taught or bootcamper particularly when I'm designing systems for NON-Websites; I'm designing propulsion systems, electrical systems, at work. You will never have the math and physics background to compete in cutting edge technology beyond some App for Social Media without a degree

@lks11

7 ай бұрын

@@Jadddddddddddddddddd that's extremely easy. program utilizing triple integrals to encode and display a 3-d dimensional conical sphere with a variable mesh for turbulent and laminar airflow at 0ft sea level 10,000ft sea level, 40,000ft sea level that resembles a windshield. Good luck moron. I hold a Mechanical Engineering degree/Minor in Aerospace Bachelors and my inprogress Masters in Computer Science I would run circles around you morons in the actual engineering world.

@KineticCode

7 ай бұрын

​@@lks11guess what, most jobs dont give 2 shits if you can design and launch a rocket into space, especially if your obviously inflated ego comes along with it. What you may have in a math and physics background i'd guess you lack in receptiveness and teamwork which matter much more for any job that doesnt tie directly to math and physics(most of them). Our company hires self taught developers. I lead a team as a self taught developer. Drop the ego and you'll do better in the job search and life in general.

@analystt99

3 ай бұрын

your math and physics knowledge and skills would only apply when applying for data science roles, anything else - no one cares. I have no degree and i know how to do full data engineering ETL work, can code in python and sql and understand cloud. These are the only skills required for a data engineering, for software of course a different stack - all that matters is real life experience. A student with a cs degree will not get a job like that, i know some who are waiting tables as they search for jobs. In the uk, students have the opportunity to go straight into work (apprenticeship) after high school, they have a better opportunity than you with a degree@@lks11

As a senior engineer, the market isn't easy. The market is crazy this year. Things will pick back up in the fall. Keep learning as you said in the video

@FableCountry

8 ай бұрын

i'm a data engineer/senior sdet and I see a lot of my staff/principal and senior or mid-level engineer friends and colleagues getting laid off. brilliant people who are having trouble finding jobs for 6+ months. one who i think is particularly brilliant took 4 months! and she's the kind of person who had always been swept up in less than a week. the process is slow and broken. plus the second half of fall is the holiday season, which is super tough to get a job because everyone's on vacation. :(

@BogWalkBully

8 ай бұрын

Things are not picking up this year, AT BEST things will improve Q4 next year. It will only become more ruthless and cutthroat. Good luck, everyone.

@OmegaF77

7 ай бұрын

I doubt it would pick up that fast. I'll give it a good decade before things get slightly better.

@potassiumlanthanium5655

7 ай бұрын

​@@OmegaF77Decade seems a bit long, don't you think?

@Daniel-gs5wv

7 ай бұрын

it didn't hoping for it to happen post holidays

It's blowing my mind, it's not like they want entry-level to do entry-level work anyway. They want above and beyond.

@istvanpraha

8 ай бұрын

there are few entry level jobs IRL. Entry level workers used to do very basic tasks. All of that stuff has gotten automated away. Now you need people to make the type of decisions you legitimately need experience to make. It's actually a societal issue that goes beyond "capitalism bad"

I have 8 years of experience and cant find a job right now. Insane.

Even internships are competitive.

@doseofdevy

9 ай бұрын

I haven’t seen an internship that didn’t say 1000+ applications submitted yet 😂

@ambientlightofdarknesss4245

7 ай бұрын

​@@doseofdevyactually I've seen many videos of internships where YOU pay the COMPANY to have the privilege of "working" there. It's insane.

@doseofdevy

7 ай бұрын

WHAT?!??

@maythesciencebewithyou

2 ай бұрын

They demand internship experience, but I'm told I'm no longer eligible for an internship since I graduated

Graduated in 2020 as an adult student to boost my income. Before college I worked 3 jobs around the clock. Now, I still work 3 jobs around the clock. Little did I know, even with 17 years of work experience and now a degree, I am considered the same as a child who is starting out because I am a new grad and I didn't work in that field. The system is broken.

I've been searching for months for a video like this and finally someone made one. Seems like not many KZreadrs make videos on the negative side of becoming a web developer these days because it ruins their advertiser/sponsorship pay which is fueled by hype. Great video. Very cool project.

@kalonohmstede5138

8 ай бұрын

It's about the 3rd I've seen, but all posted within the last month. The issue has been so bad long enough that they can't help but start making these.

@mikolots

8 ай бұрын

@@kalonohmstede5138 Exactly. Let's get some reality on youtube. Too much hype even during a bad time.

I am in the exact same boat. One issue I am finding though is staying motivated to continuously learn something when you’re labor, efforts and time investment are never rewarded. The other compounding thing to this is the fact that coming up with any form of useful idea or project is extremely difficult, which yet again has a high probability of being swept under the rug with no reward leaving you with yet another chunk of your life gone and making no further economic progress. This is shockingly bad for young people. We want to work. Many of us went to school because we thought we’d get an above average salary and be able to keep growing and earning. Sure it’s awesome if you couldn’t live another day in your life without coding, but some (most) people view their career as a vehicle which will transport them up the socioeconomic ladder more quickly so they can have a normal and decent standard of living.

@upsxace

8 ай бұрын

exactly....

@KamrynB

8 ай бұрын

Change your perspective. Pursuit of profit should not drive you to start a project. Instead, try to solve a problem. You will go much further.

@FableCountry

8 ай бұрын

​@@KamrynB agreed. if money is the focus, then that's not much of a good sustainable motivator. find a problem, and solve it the best way you can, however way you see fit

@ambientlightofdarknesss4245

7 ай бұрын

​@@FableCountryI disagree. Most of these problems don't stem from "I need more money I'm so greedy" it comes from "i need more money, I wanan move out of this shitty one bedroom apartments i share with 4 other roommates"

@AbnerG787

7 ай бұрын

100% agree

I lied on my resume and i kept up on that lie in my resume, worked on projects for free with teams , so when i applied for. 4+ experience job i was able to bring value on a codebase and the team within a week. So everyone relies on me to solve the hardest bugs 😂😂

@onlygodcanbeatme2540

8 ай бұрын

W

@BusinessWolf1

7 ай бұрын

Massive dub

@danielcanon3762

7 ай бұрын

Massive flex right there

@pinladdess

4 ай бұрын

How do you survive lying when doing your job? Like I’m not able to lie because then I can’t “prove” it afterwards… how do you solve these bugs and keep it up?

I graduated in summer 2022, and thankfully I had a job lined up pretty much right out of school. The main reason I got the job was because my dad knew the manager and was able to schedule an interview, thankfully, I prepared myself the best I could and got the job. The main points I got from my experience: Connections are very important, if not, necessary. Just this past month one of our interns brought in a guy for an interview he knew, and now he’s hired on as well. Do everything you can to network and make sure you are prepared because an opportunity might come up unexpectedly. Everyone needs IT, so don’t be scared to look in different industries for software dev or even IT jobs, getting your foot in the door is the hardest part. Once you’re in, like Devy said, keep yourself sharp so you can leverage all your experience to ace an interview.

The fact that you have to basically be an expert at Leetcode to get a job says it all

@BusinessWolf1

7 ай бұрын

It says nothing, it's a secret handshake. It sucks, but just learn it.

@TheseEyesSeeDarknessClearly7

5 ай бұрын

@@BusinessWolf1nah it really does say it all

@ngndnd

4 ай бұрын

its impossible to even get an interview these days anyway. All these companies are hiring internally

@ryzikx

3 ай бұрын

GPT4 with zero-shot prompting can do hard leetcodes. whats the point

I think you are right that college CS is not *directly* teaching things like React or whatever tools are popular now, but it’s absolutely not useless. Knowing about analyzing algorithms, functional programming, design patterns are incredibly useful when learning the fad tech of the era

Ill give some advice that did help me. I was completely self taught, not bootcamp, no nothing. I had worked in IT at a hardware level but my background was in healthcare. I built a website from scratch JS, Bootstrap 3, HTMl, and some Css. The site that got me interviews was a website i made that was almost like a personal trainer. You could create workouts in a calendar, and it would email , text, or both; those workouts to you on that calendar day. I built something that could be used by someone in a real business scenario. Thats my best advice is build something you think could be used. It could be an App, a low power OS, and API, just something actuallh usable.

@MikeSmith-vb8ul

8 ай бұрын

That is probably the most major yet underrated advice for anything in SWE -- _always_ keep a nice portfolio of projects in the latest/greatest most popular XYZ current technologies handy and available for anyone to see.

@isaacrichmusic

8 ай бұрын

Where did you learn how to code?

@Tythecodeguy

8 ай бұрын

Yeah but how long ago was this? I see this same advice worded differently everywhere but when you look around even people with 10/10 portfolios are getting ghosted

Seems like people who are into swe are getting into cybersecurity and cloud based systems like AWS / Salesforce. I like to get into software engineering on a web development focus but looks like it’s getting quite saturated these days. I totally agree even entry level roles require 1-2 yrs experience.

@rickhall517930

9 ай бұрын

Salesforce is SUPER SATURATED

@barondystopia

8 ай бұрын

Sounds to me like they're having to get in where they fit in.

@mtalhakhalid1679

8 ай бұрын

It's true that not everyone ends up working in the field they studied for, and many people do transition to different careers, including marketing. People's career paths can vary widely based on their interests and opportunities.

The problem is this breaks the economy long term because at some point those software engineers will retire and there is a lack of EXPERIENCED software engineers filling the gap. We have the same problem in many other fields.

I notice that this video applies to all jobs not just tech of jobs that were entry level 20 years ago now require senior level experience but for entry level jobs. Most jobs even if they are entry level require 2 years of experience and you have to have knowledge of the job and what is expected than what the job requires.

@SongofaBeach2012

9 ай бұрын

Companies don't seem to want to invest or take the time to train new hires anymore. They expect you to come in after just acquiring your degree AND have 2-5 years of experience already under your belt. What is wrong with these CEOs? They don't make any sense!

@robbiem4624

9 ай бұрын

@@SongofaBeach2012 that is a big chunk of the reason why I am 30 years old single never married no kids and still living with my parents in Lebanon. Very white republican town. Unless it’s or sales or fast food or retail or physical labor there’s nothing here. I finally got my bachelors during the pandemic when it started in 2020.

It's really pleasant to see that I'm not alone in this. Thanks for shedding light on this issue.

Not in SWE, but in cybersec. Landing my first job after grad was an absolute struggle and I got it because i got LUCKY. I was unemployed for a year and a half.They only took notice because of my location and how close I was.

It's not only that entry level positions that are affecting, but the nature of tech is sooooo unprofessional. I waited a whole month to get my Amazon panel interview, got all the questions right, and still wasn't hired. Im lucky to get 6+ interviews at apple, has to do with masters degree. I even had a 50+ year old engineer from Apple, be a no show, and then after eating 8 days to finally schedule an interview, I asked how long is the interview process he said "Oh it slow". .... ugh

I did a boot camp that ended in march, got a nice remote job in may. It's important to understand that everyone's path is different but the more shots you the more likely you are to make

@IffyEdem

9 ай бұрын

Well yeah connections

@stratoblues007

9 ай бұрын

was your bootcamp for web dev?

@krishna_o15

9 ай бұрын

can you share which bootcamp you did ? was it online could you share the link

@noahmilliken4259

9 ай бұрын

What was your boot camp ?

@Rileyb2345

9 ай бұрын

For anyone wondering, the bootcamp he went to is called “galvanize inc” (via his LinkedIn)

not to mention the senior jobs salaries have dropped 30-40%. i have over 12 years of experience and it was easy to find jobs over 200k now its pretty rare to even see that in the range

Just wanted to say a few things here: 1. In general if it's on the evening news, it's too late. This goes for stock picks and "most in demand" careers. 2. From what I see most people are getting into a swe career because of the high salaries from Google, Facebook, etc. This is NOT normal. 3. Being a good SWE is much more than leetcode and copying and pasting from stack exchange. It takes years of experience and hard work. 4. A lot of people end up not liking SWE and switch to something else. There are other areas Product Manager, Scrum Master, Growth Manager, etc that you might like better. 5. This happens in a lot of industries where supply exceeds demand. How many people want to be film directors who intern for years before their even considered for higher positions.

I really appreciate you making this video. I graduated from a web dev boot camp and had to have applied to a thousand jobs and got a few interviews but nothing. Only one of my classmates even got hired and that was only because they already had years of experience.

5:36 pause and look at the applicant count for that internship 😂. Internships are just as bad if not worse to get than new grad and junior roles. “Just apply to internships” isn’t the definitive solution to this problem

@michelleb2722

8 ай бұрын

Not only that but a lot of internships require you to still be enrolled in school. I'm a new grad and after 6 months of mass applying I'm starting to feel hopeless.

@conraddelarosa3141

8 ай бұрын

its tough keep grinding@@michelleb2722

thanks for the video, graduated 3 months ago and the search has been very difficult. I hope to do what I fell in love with as a career in the future

@doseofdevy

9 ай бұрын

Just keep going! It’s tough out here but you got this 💪🏾

Well done video. Transitions, information, audio, running footage, and editing, in my opinion, is really high quality. I both enjoyed your content and related to it. Great stuff and looking forward to more of your content!

Honestly, amazing video bro. I have really been struggling with finding entry level jobs and I have been applying since last december (I graduated in June 2023). This video gave me the motivation to just work on something, rather than beating the bush of the job market to just get demotivated. Thank you man.

This confirmed my worst fears. Literally from day 1 of university, you need to build a portfolio to be "worthy" of any position, let alone an entry position. Would this mean forgoing Uni altogether? No, but think of how many small businesses you can start with the tuition money before one of them becomes a major success if you play your cards right.

@SimplyApollo

9 ай бұрын

University is a way to get into corporate America.

@hugogonzalez1749

9 ай бұрын

I dropped out and still got hired. The game is numbers apply to 500 jobs ten jobs everyday, you will get interviews and you will get hired.

@sorcdk2880

9 ай бұрын

It is not so much that university does not teach you something valueable for the industry, but rather that there is a set of skills you mainly only learn with job or project experience, and a set of skills (and knowledge) that you mainly learn at university. This would seem like university is poorly matched, but in reality it means that once you do have the basic job experience you have a competitive edge compared to those who did not go to university, because they would not naturally pick up the parts you got for university, and those parts are useful at the job, they just are not all that you need. This is also why the progression to senior only takes a few years for those with university education, because once you have a balance, you can start also counting your university time as part of your years of experience (at least that is the standard where I live, as rates are calculated that way). That does still leave the entrance into the profesional enviroment as a challenge, but once you are past that challenge, the value start to show.

@jasonkoroma4323

6 ай бұрын

@@SimplyApollo Corporate America is a hellhole.

Hey bro! Congratulations on the success of your channel!! This is just the beginning man! All the best always to you!

@doseofdevy

9 ай бұрын

Thank you so much!

great video! thanks so much for putting together a cohesive and interesting video that accurately sums up the industry these days :)

Thank you for making this vlog! It was helpful 😊

You a wrong, the job of a school course should not be to teach the framework of the day but to give you the mentality to learn any framework\tech\ecc in your work life. Job training has always being a work place duty, a duty the very short sighted current managerial class wants to unload on schools due to plain and simple greed.

@doseofdevy

9 ай бұрын

I wholeheartedly agree with you. However after you finish school you get thrown into the deep end with the potential to learn anything, but with no idea what to learn. With schools costing an arm and a leg I would expect to be taught the framework of the day. Otherwise why does the cost for the same information keep increasing at rates higher than inflation?

Great video man! Thank you! As someone that is very new to this career by self-learning and soon joining a bootcamp, I needed to know this information.

@doseofdevy

9 ай бұрын

Thanks for watching my video man!

I just found your videos and wanted to say thank you for making them! I’m just starting out in web development and really enjoy your perspectives. ❤

@doseofdevy

8 ай бұрын

Glad you like them!

This video is well put together! You earned it.

I finished a web development bootcamp back in Fall of 2021, and about 5 months later got a full time remote job as a Front End Dev. I can tell you I applied to about 60 positions with intent knowing I came close to the requirements, and everyday I did at least 1-2 leetcode problems a day. When the interviews finally came(had about maybe 8 companies interview me out of the 60 I applied to)I was prepared and killed those interviews. I ended up with 3 different job offers and took the remote one with the highest pay. I understand that the economy wasn't as bad in early 2022, but if there's one thing I'd recommend to people is KEEP TRACK OF YOUR APPLICATIONS, and PRACTICE LEETCODE EVERYDAY> Software Engineering vs. Interviewing for Software Engineering jobs are entirely different skillsets, and unfortunately, you need one to have the opportunity to gain the other.

@atuldwivedi3959

9 ай бұрын

Brother, can I talk to you?

@YeetYeetYe

9 ай бұрын

Sorry man, don't mean to call you out.. but you would not break in today. You chose to break in when the market was literally hiring anyone who could breathe. We aren't ever going back to that market any time soon (10-15 years at least).

@nickaguirre2196

9 ай бұрын

@preesuss2630 I recognize that this may be true, but my point is keep sharpening your interviewing skills when someone finally decides to take a chance on you. Would I recommend going to a bootcamp right now? Probably not with the costs and the current job market. But my advice still stands imo.

@YeetYeetYe

9 ай бұрын

yeah for sure, it is great advice. And sorry again, hope it didn't sound like I am attacking you.@@nickaguirre2196

@atuldwivedi3959

9 ай бұрын

@@nickaguirre2196 Brother would you like to recommend to me to learn skills related to software development? I don't have a computer science degree. I do have a huge gap year. Also, don't have the money to join any Bootcamps.

Hey man, just random ran into your video on my recommended page. I’m a junior that was thankful enough to get a return offer this year. I just wanted to saw that I was very impressed by the quality of your video! Keep up the great work

@doseofdevy

9 ай бұрын

Thank you so much man 🙏🏾

@doseofdevy

9 ай бұрын

And congratulations!!!

Perhaps at the moment, juniors need to avoid too much saturated positions, like webdev positions. Although there should be always demands, there should be supplies more than twice of the demands. Those are actually positions that you don't really need to have compsci knowledge that much(you could learn while working, and no one asks you to write a JVM code from scratch or a JS parser in C++, for example), and you need to compete against bootcamp grads or self-taught ones, who might have more refined and good looking portfolios.

@theloststarbounder

9 ай бұрын

I'd honestly make a JS parser in C++, I wonder how will it turn out, doesn't even sound that hard to just parse the code.

University is not like an initialisation ritual be welcome in the corporate cult. You go to university to learn the field. The fact that you can learn better on your own just has to do with the inability of universities and schools to adapt.

This was a great video bro! Definitely agree on all your points. 💯

In this field you better be willing to move, thats no joke.

@mikolots

9 ай бұрын

Facts. Must sacrifice staying home to get that career elsewhere.

@OmegaF77

4 күн бұрын

@@mikolots Even then I'll still get rejected. I guess there is no other option other than to actually lie.

@mikolots

4 күн бұрын

@OmegaF77 I feel you. It's even worse now, sadly. Do what you got to do.

It takes a lot of resources to mentor a junior developer. Glad I got in when I did though and thankful for my seniors who babysat me years ago

What’s crazy about this in 08 they did my father like this he’s a software engineer and I’m an electrical engineer we have different disciplines but he did mention fake hiring will happen when the economy slows. His advice is start with startup companies for experience. By the way great video your voice isn’t annoying and you aren’t overly excited and to top it off it’s very informative. Keep it up!

I've done so much backend related projects I wanted to do some frontend and delved head first into NextJS/TypeScript. I had 0 react experience, but some HTML, and knew NOTHING about NextJS. I've been rebuilding my portfolio site and have learned SO MUCH by doing this. It's been a challenge simply because I have so many unique things I want to maintain that it forced me to learn even more! This video is 100% on-point, but I'd argue that a currently a Bachelors degree doesn't set a person up enough to get a job out of college, and agree internships there are important. If you want some more expertise and knowledge, then a Masters allows you to explore all kinds of fields that you didn't get to when pursuing your Bachelors. However, money. I start my Masters program in a few days and am very excited, this video helped me get out of a funk and restart my job searching for when I finish my Masters degree.

I've pivoted into entrepuenership. I think nowadays you gotta start your own thing. Better to own a small business than spend time tap dancing for employers who want 5 years + of experience and pay minimum wage. There's no opportunity to learn nowadays, everyone wants a senior and the truth is they don't train anyone because those seniors barely have any idea what they're doing. No job security nowadays either. All this for a subsistence wage to be another office monkey and at the mercy of some employer and office politics. I absolutely refuse. I'de rather build a business and live on my own terms earning 50k a year than earn 100k a year and be fucked if i lose my job/the economy buckles/compete with all these other people constantly etc.

Thank you for the informative video, I have some questions! What machine learning courses do you recommend to get started with? I'm curious how did you taught yourself because I don't know where I should start from to get my feet wet with machine learning

it was hard and it's still hard lol. right after college I ended up working as an Sys Admin, after a year I ended working as Linux sys engr, and finally during pandemic I got hired as a test engineer and at least I am able to write a code/script for test automation until now, it was a good thing though bcoz I realized web dev is not for me. Now looking to work in the embedded sw realm which I really enjoyed doing when I was in college. just keep grinding we'll get there! peace!!!

For those of you watching this video. Let me save you some time. Job market right now is extrememly difficult for junior developers. You need lots of experience, to get experience you need a job, in order to get a job you need experience. Going to college is outdated and won't help you learn important things like REACT What to do we do then? Continue practicing and sharpening your skills, become good at learning new things, and start building side projects. That's about it. My problem? If you're already not in love with software engineering and don't have the knowledge or skills that this guy possesses. Then it might be a good idea to find something else that suits you. Software engineering is great if you really enjoy it but, if you're like me and are having a tough time with sticking with it and aren't great at learning new things. I wouldn't waste the time, I already knew that going into this video I just wanted to know more about why the job market sucks. Even though I didn't learn much I did learn one thing, everyone is struggling right now. Which is a good thing because it means you're not alone. Take care.

@bilmiyoruminan

6 ай бұрын

I'm currently in my first year of software engineering and many people are talking about industry saturation. Frankly, this scares me.😢

Gee, I wonder if those would be the same companies that 2 years from now will be whining how they can't find anyone with 2-3 years of experience.

@andiuptown1711

8 ай бұрын

Oh it’s coming lol

Great job. Breaking down clearer pathways for people confused by the market

Yes, that was what I was doing for past 2-3 months applying for jobs, but I when I applied for internships I got messages from recuritors. You cleared my doubt, thanks.

I could only relate too hard to the statement that My CS Degree was irrelevant, Been struggling to find anything for the past five years.

@mubzly

9 ай бұрын

Am losing hope now coz am starting my CS degree in Sept

I can't really compare the current climate but even 10y ago - it was quite hard to find entry level jobs - as it always required a level of experience. I think a lot of people were tricked by semantics - there is a shortage of developers and there will always be a shortage but that people forget to add - that it is a shortage of talented / experienced senior developers. Companies want people who can do the job - not someone to learn to do the job. In the beginning of my career - I joined a small startup with small salary (you could probably earn more in starbucks as barista) but it allow me to build some experience and open a lot of doors so that is the advice that I would give to anyone who is struggling to find a job.

Well put together video, amazing editing. Thought you have a million subs already. Keep it up bro.

This was amazingly put together bro, I definitely want to learn how to story tell in my videos also. This video could have been longer, it told the harsh truth about the market even though some people want to sugar coat it. It's called business and if a business is no longer a startup and can afford a senior dev to do the job in a shorter time, they will do that, especially now in the age of A.I.

No cap, this is very well done homie. Good job (Larry June voice)

I think it's easier to get into a small to mid-sized company than big tech companies. People just need to make projects, become competitive, network, go to job fairs, do internships, and humble themselves. You'd get a job soon if you did all of these things. My university actually taught me practical skills jobs want, but I didn't do a theoretical comp sci degree. I did IT with a lot of real world projects. I still use my degree and I'm not lying or in student loan debt. Your degree is what you make of it. If you didn't take advantage of it and utilize your education to become valuable in the job market, that's on you and you need to take responsibility now. I refuse to sugar coat that reality and I'm probably gonna get a lot of hate for it.

@doseofdevy

9 ай бұрын

Of all the languages available you choose to speak facts 💯

@ballowethebear7663

9 ай бұрын

Fucking preach brother. Become so good they’d be stupid to not give you a chance.

@youarebusteduser

9 ай бұрын

​@doseofdevy those that get hired right into big tech are those with masters and ive league degree, or those with financial and high level connections

@emilyau8023

9 ай бұрын

@JoeisBear well talent and luck are factors too. Plus, if you solve their problems very well.

@val-xe2jy

8 ай бұрын

r u a girl? bc of ur name

Is it worth looking for internships if youve graduated already? Most internship postings I see say you have to be enrolled in a program

High quality video as always. Love the work!

@doseofdevy

9 ай бұрын

Thanks 🙏🏾 😃

I am not in IT and I am gainfully employed. Still, this was a great video. Extermely well done and a great presentation. Definitely something people new to the job market need to here. Good luck everyone.

insta subscribe!!! so motivational, especially if you spent last 9 month job searching and recently landed a senior dev offer!!! well done man!!! really well done!!!

@doseofdevy

9 ай бұрын

Thanks for the sub! I’ve actually been employed for the last 3 years. But the difference between the job market now and three years ago is depressing. I’m not senior yet, I’m still mid level but I’m working on it!!

@rosendo3219

9 ай бұрын

@@doseofdevy who said I was talking about you? ;)

@doseofdevy

9 ай бұрын

@@rosendo3219 oh you mean YOU!! Congratulations 🎊🎈

I graduated from college in 2021, so I wanted to find a job that would help me with my education skills so I can walk my own. But it has been three years since then, I haven’t been able to get any jobs I did get an internship, but it seems entry level jobs doesn’t matter. At this point, I feel like companies should take a look back at what they’ve been doing and see what they can improve on…

No degree, no bootcamp. I took the free 100 days of SwiftUI course from September-December 2022, and got a job offer of $114,400/year in Pittsburgh, PA in February, started in March. I got a bit lucky, but I also did go 100% into learning by myself and making a portfolio.

@doseofdevy

6 ай бұрын

Congratulations man 🔥🎉

These days I legit see entry level positions that require 5 years experience. Bro, do these people understand what "entry level" means?! Many of us either get promoted, move into management or change tech stacks after 5 years because we have mastered them. And even if I were to switch to a completely new role like QA or devops I still wont be entry level anymore because a lot of IT knowledge is transferable. They are just looking for some BS excuse to pay experienced professionals crappy salaries and they are all out of excuses. I'd rather see this industry crash and burn than see one more person unemployed, overworked or underpayed.

Your melanoma app looks like an awesome idea, congratulations!

Thanks for the late night boost bro ❤

You *almost* touched on a real problem. Juniors are competing with Seniors. Your perspective is how that feels as the junior, but imagine too how it feels for the senior. Jobs are bad all over, to the point where seniors are willing to work for less pay doing work they're overqualified for.

@Daniel-gs5wv

7 ай бұрын

senior actually got the job

@razorswc

5 ай бұрын

I have been passed on multiple jobs the past couple of months because a more senior person applied.

The problem is most of ypu programmers are applying to FANG companies instead of networking with local companies that also need programmers such as automobile manufacturer's, accountanting software providers, or military aircraft manufactures. That be tight

@Demopans5990

9 ай бұрын

More of an exposure problem. Linkedin doesn't really have a filtering system. Being able to filter out promoted listing would be a start though

@mikolots

9 ай бұрын

I've heard this before.

@alienboogieman

9 ай бұрын

@@mikolots good then you will continue to hear it because if you do not use the advice people say then you will not achieve anything you want. No one is self made, people need to know where to start and be given the tools while being trained to use them. A person has to be likable as well, hiring managers and recruiters take first impressions seriously and they can tell when someone is not interested in a job. No questions being asked after the interview is over shows that a person may not care about the job or the organization. Most of you lack personality, traits, and only get into a career because eit pays well. Is it easy?...it will never be easy, you just understand and apply the change

@pb25193

9 ай бұрын

​@@Demopans5990if they allowed that, nobody will promote their posting

Hey, do you have any tips for remembering the technical concepts you learn?

I can't even imagine how lucky I am I volunteered for a non-profit when I was in highschool on a bunch of engineering projects. I started early, very frickin early. By the time I turned 20, I already had some good experience, at least 3 years on my belt. Going into work was seamless. I have no degree btw 😂😭

@doseofdevy

8 ай бұрын

Good shit man 🔥

@val-xe2jy

8 ай бұрын

awesome! are u earning well?

@mr_0n10n5

8 ай бұрын

@@val-xe2jy It's good. It's a little tough though since everything is so much more expensive 🙃

@val-xe2jy

8 ай бұрын

@@mr_0n10n5 yeah feel u. Where r u from?

@mr_0n10n5

8 ай бұрын

@@val-xe2jy from Fri**kin west africa

I tried learning swe in 2021 and still looking for a job today. Decided to look into data science in government because these companies aren't hiring.

Great video bro.

I'm plagued by guilt because I recently rejected a return offer from an internship I did last year, that would have likely made my transition from intern to full-timer completely seamless, all in order to do a study abroad. Now I'm dealing with companies everywhere giving me things like IQ tests and leetcode I don't know how to solve, then getting auto-rejected for failing them en-mass. I know for a fact my internship experience, and by extension degree would have definitely proven not meaningless, had I just taken that return offer. I've come back to a dumpster fire now. Study abroad was my dream so I just had to pursue it no matter what, but it's hard not to feel bad now considering how agonizing and indefinite the job-search is. I told myself "Jobs will always be there" but it doesn't mean much when it feels like the entry-level market is shrinking exponentially. I'm mad at myself knowing how easily I would have avoided this boat, yet choosing not to. Now I'll likely have to burden my family with things like having to move back home (Lease is ending and I chose not to renew, once I graduate) and scared of working fast food again because of the horrific treatment I experienced working it last time.

@impyrobot

8 ай бұрын

grind leetcode network make projects and keep trying thats all we can do

@lars7603

Ай бұрын

Were all gonna make it bro

Hey man. Great Video, do you have ideas for other projects/other you have done?

@doseofdevy

9 ай бұрын

Yeah man you should check out my GitHub! Username Devonte202 🤟🏾

Tech is over saturated. It’s simple as that. I blame the tech KZreadrs who makes those “day in the life” videos of them sitting on their asses and eating food all day. I always tell people if you want to go to college, get a degree to become a doctor, nurse, lawyer, engineer, scientist, or airline pilot where you can start right off the bat making good money. None of these scamming degree crap. You can also join the trades with little to no debt and make decent money, preferably electrical, plumbing, or millwright work.

This is what I'm doing as a UX/UI designer who has yet to find work. I'm taking additional tutorials on design and coding so I can keep adding experience and skills to my portfolio and resume.

What AI do you use to help edit your videos? Genuinely curious 😅

This is why many people just straight up lie on their resumes. In the IT field it's expected that you self study and develop experience that way. Once you start working you either sink or swim. It becomes very clear quickly who can and can't do the job.

Great video, could you please share the piano song name at the intro?

TBH it’s just as bad for experienced engineers. 200+ applicants, months to get an offer. The tech economy is brutal right now.

@Daniel-gs5wv

7 ай бұрын

ehh I hit 1000+ as an entry-level I would've loved to only hit 200+

I'm in the trades industry I.E carpentry, plumbing, hvac etc. My favorite thing is when the ad says hiring apprentices but the apprentices must have 2-3 years of experience. Just be honest and say you're looking for a journeymen

I recently got my first salaried position as an engineer and it was tough, like all odds against me. I'm still in school and it was a heavy grind. I first thought that school really did not teach real required job market ready expertise. BUT, they do. There is a huge DIFFERENCE when it comes to software engineer and software developer. I could say I know how to build the latest and greatest web application in REACT, NODEJS, etc... But do you really know what's going on under the hood? One can easily use libraries but when it came to the theory of how to manage your application, database, system design, etc... I feel like school teaches a lot. Don't get me wrong you can completely avoid theory and go straight into applying libraries into your app and still land big roles. But there's a lot more windows that school can open especially expertise. TBH if I had school even mention to me lets build a project in React, i'd kinda be scared of what I'm really getting taught. This video does bring up a lot of good points though! :)

@doseofdevy

9 ай бұрын

Actually I agree with you. Knowing what’s actually going on under the hood is crucial! I definitely wish I spoke more on this in the video, but I still feel like everyone’s first step if usually learning how to use relevant technologies, and then later gaining an understanding of that technology to take you skills to the next level. School should be teaching you both but typically you’ll only get the theory underneath it all

@doseofdevy

9 ай бұрын

Also congratulations man!!! 🤟🏾

@isaiahtamayo8910

9 ай бұрын

@@doseofdevy That’s very true! To get your foot in the door as quick as possible, it’s best to learn your frameworks. All in all, and like you said it’s very complicated to even get a job even for me when i had experience before the job i recently got. everyone’s route is different and I like to emphasize not giving up!

@isaiahtamayo8910

9 ай бұрын

@@doseofdevy Thank you!!! It took me one solid year of heavy coding.

@doseofdevy

9 ай бұрын

Sheeesh a year!? That’s commitment!

If youre fresh out of college your best bet into getting a job right away would be if you have family, good friends, or someone close that works for a company.

Applied for a google apprenticeship. Application said 2 yr degree with less than 1 year coding. I had exactly 9 months web dev for a Fortune 500 company. Still got denied after 2 months of “consideration”

Videos nails it. Companies just don’t want to take chances on early in career candidates. They often don’t work out or leave after being built up after a couple years which where you start actually being useful. As for the degree being useless this is bogus. If you believe this you missed the point of getting your degree in the first place. Engineering degrees particularly Computer Science are about problem solving and attention to detail which you will use forever. When I graduated PHP and Ajax where the hot stuff. Today it’s Htmx and React. 10 years from now something else.

Have to be able to relocate and that gives you a big boost. I think the downturn is simply due to economy right now, will settle down in a year hopefully. Good luck out there bros

Worked for 1 and half year in front-end and quit because my boss just didn't give me one thing that I said I wanted from the beginning which is learn front end and then switch to backend. Now 3 months passed and I haven't found job, even tried to apply into academies in popular companies with a project I did for backend and zero luck. Job market is fucked right now, but I will keep going and apply to mid - senior jobs with some projects! I hope it will work out, else ill just switch out from programming

Been drowning my self in your content lately, I love it.❤

Love how you edit your videand the quality. I like Tech that why I'm subscribed.

@doseofdevy

9 ай бұрын

Thank you so much man 🙏🏾

Yea this is straight facts bro, excellent video bro

5:15 this does not work. The vast majority of companies right now looking for interns and similar positions just want cheap labor for menial tasks with no intent on providing return offers, or allowing the interns to learn anything of value.

@doseofdevy

8 ай бұрын

I agree, but it’s a lot like a ladder where the lower rungs are covered in shit. But you’ll never get to the top of you don’t start at the bottom. Because one shitty internship on your resume could mean the difference between your resume sitting at the top of the stack vs the bottom

I think there is a big issue with HR too. I know React, TS, Jest, Strapi, a little bit of node, and more. Have projects on Git Hub etc etc. The issue is how can a person working in HR even know you can code if they can't read code? As you said all they care about is whether you have experience - that is flawed. Basically, if Bill Gates was trying to get a job now and had no XP he would not get hired because HR would not go out of their way to read his code out of 1000 applicants

@KeepItFresh02

7 ай бұрын

they dont. they just look to see if your resume matches the job description to a T. You gotta appear as a "perfect fit".