Enrico Pucci's "Infinite Speed" Issue

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  • @bigshit
    @bigshit11 ай бұрын

    It's not that Pucci's perception is screwed up, it's that his speed is relative to the universe's. The reason he gets hit more than once is because the things that hit him were objects, meaning they were going the same speed as Pucci. When Jolyne threw the knife, SHE threw the knife. So to Pucci, Jolyne is moving extremely slowly and then out of almost no where a knife starts flying towards him like a baseball. We can even see in that scene his whole BODY is tilted back to try to account for the sudden knife zooming towards him, obviously to no avail. [/neg I'm making this snotty edit specifically because I'm tired of me and others explaining things to JoJo "fans" (in quotes because I doubt they've read the manga or watched the anime, probably just watched memes and community-made breakdowns). /gen /pos Before you reply with anything about Emporio's ghost gun, please be reminded that it is an aspect of Emporio's stand, meaning it likely is unaffected by the acceleration as its deemed a "living thing." /gen /neg Before you reply with anything about "he can accelerate time infinitely" no, he cannot. He accelerates time exponentially. If you don't know what that word means (Judging by some of your guys' vocabulary, I'd assume you don't know what that means) look up "exponential curve" in Google, or ask a parent/guardian to explain it to you. Imagine the Y (or "up") variable is Speed and the X (or "side to side") variable is Time MIH is Active. MIH starts out slow and gets faster (Like the Pacer Test, or Bleep test, whatever you may call it) until the universe resets, it which it keeps getting faster, but Pucci can pause it. No, he can't accelerate time infinitely, the infinity in speed is referring to his ability to infinitely get faster. His stand doesn't make "Speed = infinity" a true statement. /gen /pos Before you reply with anything about "Wow this is a really good explanation, you're super smart! W mans!" as much as I adore the validation from strangers, I just read the manga. Yes, I am a Stone Ocean hyperfan and will meatride the part even past my death, but this really should be basic understanding.] To add onto this comment and what a few people in the replies have said, I also think Made in Heaven's "infinite speed" is not a flat rate of "he go fast as fuck" and more an "infinite potential to be faster." He speeds up the universe exponentially and, looking at an exponential curve on a graph, it will keep increasing to infinity with no possible way to end. I'm assuming that's what Made in Heaven's speed stat is like, not "if infinity were able to be physically quantified in one's speed, that would be Made in Heaven's."

  • @octosalt2209

    @octosalt2209

    11 ай бұрын

    that's like ultra clever

  • @arminkir9389

    @arminkir9389

    11 ай бұрын

    I don't know why because I mean pucciis only as fast as the universe is accelerating that's what you said so it'll take time for him to move at infinite speed so yes agree Pucci can't react at infinite speed but I think he can react somewhere close to that why because everytime someone's hit Pucci it was with an item for emporio the disk Pucci hit that instead of emporio protecting him and jolyne the knife and this may sound stupid but I don't know if air is living is the air could or been moving just as fast as Pucci was accelerating though this prob isn't true but oh well

  • @haelstrom101

    @haelstrom101

    11 ай бұрын

    ​@@arminkir9389 Speed chart: • Pucci = Universe and every non loving thing within the universe • Living organism are moving at the usual speed, so they can't fathom Pucci's speed, but Pucci is having to react to his entire environment changing at a normal person's pace, meaning that people who use projectiles against Pucci are guaranteed to win as long as they misdirect him, because he's not capable of reacting to things moving at high speed due to time acceleration

  • @ndprod.animationenthusiast9376

    @ndprod.animationenthusiast9376

    11 ай бұрын

    Yeah

  • @TheeFlashbackMan

    @TheeFlashbackMan

    11 ай бұрын

    but how does jolyne throw the knife tho to the perspective of the universe jolyne is slow af thr knife would just *stay*

  • @brokenursa9986
    @brokenursa998611 ай бұрын

    Another thing I always figured was that Pucci’s speed isn’t just a flat infinite speed, but rather that it’s tied to his acceleration of time, where the faster time is, the faster he is. So, Pucci’s max speed is theoretically infinite, but at any given point, it is both finite and calculable.

  • @CB-sn7jm

    @CB-sn7jm

    11 ай бұрын

    congrats you know how the ability works LOL

  • @HabitualThinker

    @HabitualThinker

    11 ай бұрын

    Someone who finally understood how made in heaven works lmao. Infinitely _growing_ speed.

  • @vovabars1234

    @vovabars1234

    11 ай бұрын

    I think people missing the point here, pretty sure Pucci's speed gradually grows, then at some point it reaches it's peak at infinity and forms a singularity which resets the universe

  • @dbsdbz-

    @dbsdbz-

    11 ай бұрын

    Yea doesn't have infinite speed he just speed up infinitely which you can't reach infinite speed with that because no matter how much you multiply numbers it's still closer to zero than infinite

  • @vovabars1234

    @vovabars1234

    11 ай бұрын

    @@dbsdbz- I'm pretty sure Pucci reaches infinite speed when he reaches the singularity point

  • @somerando4521
    @somerando452111 ай бұрын

    he’s just really fast

  • @WeskerEnthusiast

    @WeskerEnthusiast

    11 ай бұрын

    He's just really fast

  • @AwfullySpecific

    @AwfullySpecific

    11 ай бұрын

    He's just really fast

  • @Freddy_fazballs420

    @Freddy_fazballs420

    11 ай бұрын

    He's just really fast

  • @Idk_and_idc..

    @Idk_and_idc..

    11 ай бұрын

    He’s just really fast

  • @CatatBalaban

    @CatatBalaban

    11 ай бұрын

    He’s just really fast

  • @jonathanschmitt5762
    @jonathanschmitt576211 ай бұрын

    My answers to those questions: -Pucci's infinite speed means infinite potential. Whether Pucci is moving normally or at the speed of light (pun intended), he could always move faster given enough "time". -Pucci has the reflexes of a statue because if he watched the world at 1 30th or even 1 120th of its regular speed, he'd most likely fall asleep of boredom. Also, sending a message while talking 120 times as fast as a normal human isn't very productive. -In the case of Jolyne throwing a knife at Pucci... everything was accelerated. The knife... was accelerated. The attention span of the community... was accelerated.

  • @thunderjellyfish3680

    @thunderjellyfish3680

    11 ай бұрын

    yeah Pucci's mind wasn't at the speed of the universe else he'd be experiencing billions times billions of years (and the real number is even bigger), it would means every seconds for Jolyne would feel like eternity for Pucci, which would make him go crazy

  • @YSleepish

    @YSleepish

    11 ай бұрын

    ​@@thunderjellyfish3680Not how that works at all. His body was accelerated along with the universe, which includes his mind, as we can see in the final fight with emporio, his bodily functions speed up causing the oxygen poison to kill him quicker. Plus, someone on a train perceives time differently than someone walking, so it wouldn't feel like an eternity.

  • @ichkannschreiben6566

    @ichkannschreiben6566

    10 ай бұрын

    So you mean pucci dodged bullets in regular speed?!?!

  • @jonathanschmitt5762

    @jonathanschmitt5762

    10 ай бұрын

    @@YSleepish I don't think time dilation plays a role here, because it's based on Einstein's relativity theory, which says: "The faster something moves through space, the slower it moves through time." Pucci was accelerated along with the universe, so he was affected by time dilation as much as you are while you read this reply. Everyone else moved extremely fast through time, so compared to Pucci, they moved extremely slow through space or compared to them, Pucci moved extremely fast through space. In short: time dilation makes Pucci fast, and we saw him really fast during the fight. Conclusion: Time dilation was always active, it just was in the background and didn't really matter. And now we're back at Pucci percieving one second as two minutes and waiting an eternity for something to happen. I think he only accelerated his mind completely when someone made a move and slightly when running in circles or talking to the gang.

  • @jonathanschmitt5762

    @jonathanschmitt5762

    10 ай бұрын

    @@ichkannschreiben6566 I mean that he waited with his mind just accelerated enough so he can react to bullets being fired and then dodge them.

  • @angrypvz1236
    @angrypvz123611 ай бұрын

    Pucci’s Speed is relative to acceleration of the universe. Depending on how fast the universe is moving is how fast he moves, I feel like only once he reaches the singularity point does his speed become truly become infinite. Also the knife is an inanimate object so it moved as fast a pucci, so he wouldn’t be able to react.

  • @stc_void

    @stc_void

    11 ай бұрын

    and on top of that, it’s fucking stone free who threw that knife, ofc it’s hard to react to a knife flying right at you if it’s thrown by stone free

  • @angrypvz1236

    @angrypvz1236

    11 ай бұрын

    @@stc_void right, stone free punches fast enough to destroy meteors, plus Pucci thought that Jolyne was dead, so he was caught off guard hardcore

  • @stc_void

    @stc_void

    11 ай бұрын

    @@angrypvz1236 exactly, while he could react, and only minimise the damage, it’s still a knife thrown by stone free in a situation he didn’t expect it

  • @AgedSwissCheese

    @AgedSwissCheese

    11 ай бұрын

    @@angrypvz1236 you could argue because his perception is relative to accelerated time, stone free, being almost entirely blue, while moving very slowly, would be hard to notice until the knife moves away, and also another comment saying that he'd probably get bored waiting so long, so he wouldn't have super quick reflexes

  • @dbsdbz-

    @dbsdbz-

    11 ай бұрын

    ​@@angrypvz1236 no pucci didn't reach infinite speed he was billions of kilometers per second but it's impossible to reach infinite like that because infinite is not a number

  • @Akiraspin
    @Akiraspin10 ай бұрын

    His ability is actually so simple it's crazy how people get this messed up. Pucci just accelerates time, that is his ability. He maintains 100% awareness of the time being sped up, just like DIO has 100% awareness of the time that is stopped. For Pucci, humans look slowed down to a crawl, but objects are moving at "normal" speed from Pucci's point of view, because everything that is non-living is accelerating *with* him. So while to Pucci, who is running at 12 miles per hour, it looks like we are at a standstill, but to us like he is moving at millions of times the speed of sound. Because he accelerated time millions of magnitudes above its normal flow. Simple as.

  • @superty1985

    @superty1985

    10 ай бұрын

    So if you stop time then accelerate it wouldn't it bring it back to normal speed?

  • @alvinzhang1139

    @alvinzhang1139

    10 ай бұрын

    @@superty1985first off this reply has nothing to do with what OP said, second 0 time anything is still 0, so no

  • @felixweiler5892

    @felixweiler5892

    10 ай бұрын

    it’s really simple, i hate how people just don’t understand it

  • @alvinzhang1139

    @alvinzhang1139

    10 ай бұрын

    @@superty1985 actually thinking about it I addressed the wrong point to your question, it was shown in the anime that when jotaro time stopped it was shortened to 2 seconds instead of his usual 5, it accelerates the “time” passed in the time stop

  • @superty1985

    @superty1985

    10 ай бұрын

    @@alvinzhang1139 it just crazy how he can accelerate normal time and can shorten a time stop.

  • @woomyboy98
    @woomyboy9811 ай бұрын

    For the 2 times Pucci is hit they can be explained by reasons other than his perception of things is slow. For the knife since it is an inanimate object it moves at the same speed Pucci is. This would be insanely hard to react to since at that time Pucci is moving so much faster than normal. When Pucci is hit by weather report the oxygen is spreading throughout his body much faster than it would normally causing him to experience oxygen poison at a quicker rate than Emporio. Another important part of Pucci's speed is that it takes time for him to accelerate and he doesn't go from 0 to infinite in 3.5. Pucci's speed matches the speed of the universe and as we see throughout the final battle time goes faster and faster until the universe resets. This means that when Pucci uses Made In Heaven's ability against Emporio at the end he is much slower than when he killed Jotaro and the gang.

  • @raulrojas9253

    @raulrojas9253

    11 ай бұрын

    the knife thing is way easier to explain, he didn't see the knife coming from below the water. No matter how fast he is he cannot see everything, but that's about it.

  • @KingOfFools784

    @KingOfFools784

    11 ай бұрын

    Finally someone says something. I always see power scalers ignoring the acceleration part of time ACCELERATION

  • @thebeefcow3915

    @thebeefcow3915

    11 ай бұрын

    but this also brings up the question of how the hell Pucci dodged the bullets from Emporio, since they are shot at point blank range and are affected by acceleration.

  • @xzkilerymax8395

    @xzkilerymax8395

    11 ай бұрын

    @@thebeefcow3915because they were manifested by emporia’s ability lol

  • @unitaz5k

    @unitaz5k

    11 ай бұрын

    ​@@thebeefcow3915Pucci could see where Emporio is aiming so he dodged it before. Or yeah it's stand ability so acceleration would not work there

  • @AyuKasioy_
    @AyuKasioy_11 ай бұрын

    Pucci's Made in Heaven works by accelerating time, meaning it gets faster and faster. He doesn't go faster, everyone just goes slower. As time gets faster, Pucci and everything that's not human gets faster with time like in a timelapse, but other people stay it their relative time speed. Pucci's "infinite speed" means he can get infinitely faster, not instantly ultra fast Edit: Pucci is not blitzing Emporio because he is not using time acceleration after the universe reset

  • @zetsu6888

    @zetsu6888

    11 ай бұрын

    Everything thats not alive not just human

  • @AyuKasioy_

    @AyuKasioy_

    11 ай бұрын

    @@zetsu6888 you did not read the manga or watched the anime havent you? The dolphin that Emporio rode was faster than Pucci because they also got faster like Pucci, and since their swimming speed is faster than human, Pucci couldnt catch up to Emporio

  • @thenothing2543

    @thenothing2543

    11 ай бұрын

    @@AyuKasioy_because physics still applies to him it’s common sense to know that you are slower under water anyone could possibly beat the best swimmers rn in the world by sprinting

  • @emblemblade9245

    @emblemblade9245

    10 ай бұрын

    He definitely used time accel after the reset, we saw a plant die within seconds in real time

  • @cccbbbccc5910

    @cccbbbccc5910

    10 ай бұрын

    ​​@@AyuKasioy_ Bro, that's NOT TRUE. When we see universe getting reshaped, literally everything ages and disappears except humans, animals, plants etc. There's a whole ass 2 minute scene showing naked people and animals flying around... Manga explains that Pucci could not reach dolphins because of his stamina. Even sped up, his swimming speed was just that of a normal human.

  • @SuperDababy2
    @SuperDababy211 ай бұрын

    I think the easiest way to counter infinite speed Pucci is "why didn't he just instantly kill Jotaro and the gang instead of setting up knifes?"

  • @liricopetanco6257

    @liricopetanco6257

    11 ай бұрын

    Is funny how his own ability makes seting up quick atacks against him easier.

  • @Dense_Osmium

    @Dense_Osmium

    11 ай бұрын

    Knives are a tradition

  • @binaryboopsva

    @binaryboopsva

    11 ай бұрын

    Just being cautious too. He was a very careful guy

  • @raulrojas9253

    @raulrojas9253

    11 ай бұрын

    They were in Water, Water slows you down, he is not immune to physics and he knew, besides moot point, he still soloed Jotaro, Hermes, Jolyne, Jotaro, and Annasui in one sweep.

  • @anthonygonaplay1238

    @anthonygonaplay1238

    11 ай бұрын

    the whole scene where he killed the gang happened in 7 seconds, so uhm.... how is that not a record? it was only by time stop that jolyne and emporio survived

  • @toshinoriyagi1887
    @toshinoriyagi188711 ай бұрын

    When Pucci was chasing Emporio he wasnt accelerating time he do that only after Emporio tries to attack him with Weather Report and Pucci says now time will accelerate once again

  • @Julie_Kagemori
    @Julie_Kagemori11 ай бұрын

    What if the knife was fast too ? It was established earlier in the episode that if someone has an object in their hands, nothing happens, but as soon as they drop it, the object accelerates. So Pucci wasn't able to dodge something as fast as him.

  • @ZaBeasto-ug5hf
    @ZaBeasto-ug5hf11 ай бұрын

    The reason the dolphin trick worked was because it made speed a non-factor. Pucci just couldn't swim that far out to sea without drowning, no matter how much time he had. Jolyne said this herself.

  • @dweebpatrol
    @dweebpatrol11 ай бұрын

    On top of the argument I've seen about the knife being affected by the time acceleration, causing it to move at normal knife speed for Pucci but much faster than humans could react to, we also have to remember that the infinite speed is really just potentially infinite speed. Pucci moves so fast because he's affected by his time acceleration, since he can accelerate time infinitely he could reach infinite speed, the issue is that in the process of moving at infinite speed he would have to accelerate the universe again and likely cause it to reset over and over again. In a vs battle the only issue would be getting it moving, as it seems that he would take time to reach his infinite speed but he would be able to keep fighting his opponent across new universes. The reason he didn't do that in the series is obviously because he only wanted to reset the universe once, so he didn't want to accelerate time to kill Emporio when he thought he could do it just fine normally anyway.

  • @srnova9486

    @srnova9486

    11 ай бұрын

    His speed is finite but just always growing

  • @dweebpatrol

    @dweebpatrol

    11 ай бұрын

    @@srnova9486 yeah that's what acceleration means, it's also why I clarified that it's his potential speed that is infinite cause he can infinitely accelerate.

  • @ndprod.animationenthusiast9376
    @ndprod.animationenthusiast937611 ай бұрын

    MIH accelerates the entire universe to infinity. It doesn’t affect the people or animals but inanimate objects are shown to be affected by MIH. It’s also shown in the montage of people being affected by the stand. Also, he’d have to activate the stand’s ability in order to use it which is why he didn’t outright blitz Emporio.

  • @hehjejek3367

    @hehjejek3367

    10 ай бұрын

    Thought this was common knowledge idk how this wasn’t considered in the video. Thanks anyways

  • @emeraldawesome2420
    @emeraldawesome242011 ай бұрын

    Pucci doesn't necessarily move really fast, he just makes everyone else really slow. MIH accelerates time, making it so that Pucci is the only one who can move within said accelerated time. Everybody else experiences time as it is being accelerated. The knife that Jolyne threw was unaffected by time acceleration due to being an inanimate object, making it move really fast in Jolyne's perspective but normal knife-throwing speed to Pucci, meaning he got hit. Im not sure about Emporio, but I'm pretty sure the gas he was spreading with Weather Report was unaffected by accelerating time for the same reasons as the knife, making it spread faster and giving Pucci less time to react. I'm not sure about any of this so correct me if I'm wrong.

  • @uboa8060

    @uboa8060

    11 ай бұрын

    Well you're not wrong but relativity says both are the same thing without a reference point

  • @datboy038

    @datboy038

    11 ай бұрын

    @@uboa8060no relativity says they are both correct with there being no “objective” reference point.

  • @uboa8060

    @uboa8060

    11 ай бұрын

    @@datboy038 well yeah That's kinda the point

  • @zakariyaz8233

    @zakariyaz8233

    11 ай бұрын

    @@uboa8060 hence why Araki even writes Pucci to control "gravity". Not in the traditional scientific sense, since Gravity accounts for the effects of time/fate/inseperability of stand users in the Jojoverse. But the word choice is very intentional there to basically say, Pucci becomes the singularity.

  • @FaptaA

    @FaptaA

    11 ай бұрын

    bro i hard desagree with everything slowing down and pucci speed is normal but to everyone else he is fast.

  • @11thDC
    @11thDC11 ай бұрын

    as some other folks have said. Pucci's speed isn't because he's fast. it's because he is the only person affected by the acceleration. everyone else moves at "normal" speed, but as the universe moves faster, pucci moves faster along with it. so when Jolyne throws the knife, she's moving really slow compared to Pucci, but the moment she releases it, it moves at the super speed her stand could throw accelerated to proportionally match the time acceleration.. We see this in the display on that television show scene earlier on. the guy is holding the glass, but the moment he releases it, it now moves with accelerated time, seeming to instantly hit the ground and shatter before anyone can realize it. To dodge the bullets, he had to read and predict the trajectory of the bullet before it was fired, because the moment it exited the barrel, it would match the speed of the time accel. rather than Emporio's speed. It's the same reason Jotaro's time stop gets "shorter" because the phenomena of time stopping, is still aligned with the acceleration. it's the only way Jotaro can move in stopped time is if the Time stop had it's own form of time flow. which is also accelerated. This means that King Crimson's time skip would be "shorter". One could argue that even Bites The Dust could be affected and rewind less, as time would be accelerating that by the time the rewind finished, a chunk of what would have been rewound had already moved forward again. However I am of the mindset that this would not happen, as it would actually disable and undo the time acceleration. One interesting point to note however with bites the dust, is that it also behaves the same as the jump to the new universe. as the person who discovered Kira's identity becomes fated to explode at the same time after the rewind occurs. much like how everyone who made it to the new universe is fated to do everything they would have done in the original universe.

  • @GHorta-dp2km
    @GHorta-dp2km11 ай бұрын

    I think the reason he doesn’t speed blitz emporio is that his speed is tied to the speed of the universe around him, and that he’s fast because he can slow everyone else down relatively. And if he *did* accelerate time against Emporio, he’d also loop back around to the time where he started to accelerate time, which would assure his death due to fate.

  • @fireged2
    @fireged211 ай бұрын

    I think one of my favorite lessons Pucci teaches us is; While yes, Even the weakest stands can be strong and formidable in the right hands, It is also true that even the strongest stands can be rendered useless if the person isn't competent to match

  • @joseguadalupemartineztorre9702

    @joseguadalupemartineztorre9702

    9 ай бұрын

    I think it's also the fact that Pucci had the Stand for less than a day. He's definitely not use to it's ability especially while fighting, injured, and outnumbered. Giorno had his Stand for years until he thought about it's healing capabilities.

  • @tooru-kun4178

    @tooru-kun4178

    5 ай бұрын

    but pucci is one of the most competent stand user. He had 30 years in studying stand and had years of experience, he only had c-moon for a couple of hours and he was able to posticipate the new moon because he understood completely his ability and he was able to kill almost everyone only after a few minutes of having made in heaven. The knife was just fast as him and no matter the speed dolphins are simply better swimmer and pucci was barely swimming, he was like moving foot really fast.

  • @MiculBandit
    @MiculBandit11 ай бұрын

    This entire video was just a big "Well yea, no shit, he's a human" A stand's power is ONLY a stand's power, it's not like Pucci's senses are enhanced, only his movement speed. The same thing with time stop, no matter how fast he accelerates time, if time is stoped, he is too.

  • @kratosorokai1546

    @kratosorokai1546

    10 ай бұрын

    but did he not move during jotaros timestop?

  • @MiculBandit

    @MiculBandit

    10 ай бұрын

    @@kratosorokai1546 Correct, he didn't, that's what I said

  • @cccbbbccc5910

    @cccbbbccc5910

    10 ай бұрын

    Imagine a game of Superhot, except bullets and objects keep moving no matter what. That's what Pucci sees. He sees Emporio pointing gun at him so he moves out of the way, but the bullets move normally for him. Jolyne can be moving as slow as a snail for him, but once Stone Free throws the knife, it's in a normal speed for him. He can easily react to stand rushes because they're slow from his perspective, but thrown objects aren't.

  • @MiculBandit

    @MiculBandit

    10 ай бұрын

    @@cccbbbccc5910 Ok dude that's cool and all but he literally said that in the video

  • @cccbbbccc5910

    @cccbbbccc5910

    10 ай бұрын

    @@MiculBandit His senses are hightened along with his movement speed

  • @memelordddd
    @memelordddd11 ай бұрын

    I think ∞ in Pucci's stats mean that he can accelerate himself as much as he would desire because I don't think he can just buff his speed in 1,5 or 2x times it just be stupid concept for a stando

  • @kanewilson8624
    @kanewilson862410 ай бұрын

    There’s also the fact that his speed is also tied to his stamina as well, he may cross 300 metres in an instant but he will still feel like he ran 300 metres normally.

  • @HigashikataDio
    @HigashikataDio11 ай бұрын

    Pucci doesn't have infinite speed, he just accelerates everything inanimate and on it, he accelerates on it to be faster

  • @datboy038

    @datboy038

    11 ай бұрын

    Status is correct. The acceleration is infinite, it reaches infinity in a finite amount of time.

  • @samueloak1600

    @samueloak1600

    11 ай бұрын

    ​@@datboy038it doesn't

  • @datboy038

    @datboy038

    11 ай бұрын

    @@samueloak1600 it does. Also love the pfp

  • @samueloak1600

    @samueloak1600

    11 ай бұрын

    @@datboy038 it does never reach infinity per se, only approaches it evermore Also, thanks!

  • @datboy038

    @datboy038

    11 ай бұрын

    @@samueloak1600 no no no it definitely reaches infinity, it’s at the point where everyone goes into the singularity and the universe reset ends with the new one starting since it literally happens INSTANTLY. In fact because Pucci can change fate there’s actually a point to be made that he has whats known as immeasurable speed where basically one is not bound by linear time

  • @zoefarr2600
    @zoefarr260011 ай бұрын

    Also with the disc, Emporio takes advantage of the fact that Pucci now cannot see out of his right eye and holds the disc up so that when he reaches for E in the BDTH entrance, P pushes it into his head

  • @hellcat5030
    @hellcat503011 ай бұрын

    W agility L perception L endurance

  • @romka7797
    @romka779711 ай бұрын

    Maybe i missunderstood Pucci's universe reset, but i always thought that when chasing Emporio, Pucci literally had no reason to hurry in any way. The universe has already been reset to his likings, all people's destinies have already been sealed by MiH, the only person who can change destinies now is only Pucci himself. He knows everything Emporio is destined to do and everywhere he is destined to go, thats why he was able to follow him and catch up so easily. Aside from Emporio's 3000 iq move to use Pucci's ability to change destinies to his own advantage, Pucci had literally nothing to worry about, at least that's how i saw it

  • @catching.rainbows
    @catching.rainbows11 ай бұрын

    I just always wondered why the sun never exploded in between the start of time acceleration and the end of the universe. Unless by that point it was accelerating so fast that it immediately went from that to the singularity point

  • @luciuseclipse
    @luciuseclipse11 ай бұрын

    Not only is Pucci wounded and tired while chasing Emporio, the universe isn't accelerating at the rate it was before. It reached the point where it reset to pre-accelaration thus Pucci is not longer moving at an infinitely acceleration speed. Thus his pace in chasing Emporio is Pucci being careful and conserving what energy he has and because he cannot chase him at the speed he was chasing pre reset. Pre-reset Pucci's perception was normal as far as he was concerned, all living things were still moving at their normal pace, but everyone else's perception was lacking because the world around them was accelerating so quickly. When Pucci was hit with the knife, it's as easy as understanding that Pucci could tell Jolyne had thrown the knife, but as soon as the knife was no longer held back by her pace it came flying at him at that accelerated pace. He did try to dodge, but since his acceleration is the same rate as the knife it was a little too late to fully avoid.

  • @duckman--
    @duckman--9 ай бұрын

    When pucci walking transitioned to the miner that was the funniest shit ever 💀

  • @shx.jaidynn
    @shx.jaidynn11 ай бұрын

    lil bro a trackstar

  • @joshazaka6636
    @joshazaka663611 ай бұрын

    I really find it ironic how a man of infinite speed is unable to react to things at that same infinite speed if he’s unable to perceive that something will happen to him. Maybe that’s the reason why Pucci wanted to have everyone know their fate🤷🏾‍♂️. Because all I’m saying is, if u give DIO made in heaven the guy will spam it about as much as he did time stop and it’s not even funny the things he could do to Jotaro and Co

  • @Johten

    @Johten

    11 ай бұрын

    HUH I JUST REALIZED THAT. Pucci's stand becomes infinitely stronger with knowing your fate ahead of time.

  • @Griffith_Here

    @Griffith_Here

    11 ай бұрын

    He's still just a regular human unlike dio plus not that much biq compared to dio and also he just got the stand like minutes ago well actually millions of years

  • @EditUnivers75

    @EditUnivers75

    11 ай бұрын

    @@Johten He can see others' fate but not his own since his fate is the only one not set in stone, he is the only one that can alter fate. He tried to alter Emporio's so he wouldn't attack him when he grows up, but his changing of fate ended up dooming himself.

  • @Johten

    @Johten

    11 ай бұрын

    @@EditUnivers75 I strongly disagree, this was DIOs plan. If you think DIO would do something like that and it wouldn't affect himself you're mad, he isn't doing crap for the betterment of mankind 😭😭

  • @EditUnivers75

    @EditUnivers75

    11 ай бұрын

    @@Johtenwhen Dio talks to polnareff on the stairs in part 3, he says how humans only seek comfort, and they’ll do anything to achieve that comfort. Dio was basically invincible, but he was on the wrong side of fate. The only way to overcome the joestars would be to eliminate the entire bloodline and create a timeline where they don’t have the same fate, while he is above fate and can shape it. It totally makes sense that somebody doomed by fate would believe peace comes from accepting it knowing you can’t change it, but in case you forgot, HE is still above it. The plan works on multiple levels and fits Dio’s motivation, not to mention feeding his god complex. The ability absolutely affects himself, he is the only one in the universe capable of actually changing fate. Not kind of skewing fate like king crimson, no, COMPLETELY above it.

  • @nou3019
    @nou301911 ай бұрын

    This video perfectly summs up the experiance of debating Pucci vs any character.

  • @Krye33
    @Krye3310 ай бұрын

    This is really good writing. Pucci is a normal person who is given speed when he uses his stand. He is not always fast, thus his reaction speed is not always fast. And like you said if he doesn't see, or notice, an attack he won't be able to activate his stand and react to it.

  • @paigemackie8942
    @paigemackie894211 ай бұрын

    I just wanna say that the editing on this video is great. That's all, please keep making the great content

  • @Rohankishibe8
    @Rohankishibe811 ай бұрын

    When kaleb drops a video it’s a good day

  • @violenced6710
    @violenced671011 ай бұрын

    The infinite speed on the stand stat most likely refers to his abilities speed, which is infinite, rather than his actual speed. Just like how GERs stand stats refer to his ability, and not physical capabilities.

  • @soundrogue4472
    @soundrogue447211 ай бұрын

    Pucci is insanely fast but has human level perception of reacting to things like a human; boom, saved you 8 minutes.

  • @prestoo264
    @prestoo26411 ай бұрын

    i love how he puts kizaru up there as a "really fast character" while that man has been held at gunpoint on multiple occasions

  • @machian76
    @machian7610 ай бұрын

    From what I read discussing his ability, I completely understand his stand powers. So he basically just Accelerate time to the point of Infinity where the universe is completely resetted, simple as that he can ACCELERATE TIME to the point of infinity. I don't understand how so many People Misunderstood his Stand power, he can accelerate time like a fast forward button on a remote control.

  • @GeorgeCowsert
    @GeorgeCowsert11 ай бұрын

    I think the best analogy for Pucci is that one species of beetle that moves so fast that everything they see becomes a blur, forcing them to stop every few feet to figure out where they went. Now add on how Pucci is probably also splitting his ability between himself and the universe. Think about it; if Pucci's time was synced with the universe, he would be able to blitz everyone but die of old age mid-fight. So, Pucci focuses half of his ability on the universe, and the other half on only himself relative to normal people. That means Pucci HAS to be vigilant of the environment changing, or he then has to spend more time dodging obstacles instead of his mission.

  • @ghitaianis9022
    @ghitaianis902211 ай бұрын

    But the knife would've been accelerate by the same amount as pucci that's why he couldn't dodge it.

  • @Shinyloog20992
    @Shinyloog2099210 ай бұрын

    So basically Pucci is incredibly fast but his perception is at least superhuman. He doesn't have infinite perception like someone like the flash does. His brain does not work as fast as infinite speed itself.

  • @poketdoom
    @poketdoom11 ай бұрын

    The knife is inorganic so its literally traveling at the same sped up time he is how do people not understand simple concepts 💀

  • @themostop6142
    @themostop614210 ай бұрын

    I love your editing style

  • @chillouttm3804
    @chillouttm380411 ай бұрын

    I’m pretty sure it been stated for some stands that the stats are for the stands abilities not the stand or user itself. So maybe the infinite speed stat is referring to the time acceleration ability itself and not the enhancement Pucci gets from it

  • @jessiehogue.

    @jessiehogue.

    10 ай бұрын

    Stand stats are for Stands and not the user, true, but that is irrelevant to Pucci's speed. The enhancement he gets from it is the time acceleration ability itself, that's the thing. The way his power is stated to work is that he accelerates time for everything else except other living beings, as in, anyone else but himself. He is accelerated along with everything else. Therefore his speed enhancement = the acceleration. So it doesn't matter that the stat is based on the ability; it still affects Pucci's resulting own acceleration at the exact same level. The reason he is still able to be hit is that once thrown, objects no longer in contact with living beings accelerate as well to the same degree, so he is no longer fast in relation to those, and as such it isn't any easier for him to dodge them as it is for anyone else you'd toss, say, a knife at.

  • @Shuttersnake
    @Shuttersnake10 ай бұрын

    Don't think too much about it, just know that he can surpass Star Platinum's time stop, which is saying something. (He also managed to kill two JoJo's in the same battle.

  • @pixelpkm
    @pixelpkm11 ай бұрын

    TLDR; Speed : Infinite Reaction time: Normal

  • @deltalord6969
    @deltalord696911 ай бұрын

    Honestly was kinda weird that he has infinite speed but like he couldnt catch up to the dolphin carrying emporio or still had to catch up to the gang when they catapulted themselves or whatever. Maybe his maximum capacity is infinite but he has to like rev up to it like an engine of a car that increases in speed but infinitely?

  • @chyumiming.

    @chyumiming.

    11 ай бұрын

    Yessir

  • @ChiefMedicPururu

    @ChiefMedicPururu

    11 ай бұрын

    Living beings aren't influenced by Made In Heaven. They explicitely mention that. Hence why Pucci was incapable of getting to the dolphin with Emporio on it.

  • @datboy038

    @datboy038

    11 ай бұрын

    No he’s still human. Maybe if you paid attention to the dialogue you’d know why

  • @hermano8023

    @hermano8023

    11 ай бұрын

    That’s how acceleration works, and especially when the whole squad kept pulling up tricks and sneak attacks. Even if he could infinitely accelerate time, his human instincts remain the same, being hella fast doesn’t help u if u never had ultra instincts

  • @datboy038

    @datboy038

    11 ай бұрын

    @@hermano8023 wrong and im tired of explaining this you have like 50 people who have explained it. How can yall be so fucking dull

  • @galacticreviewer
    @galacticreviewer11 ай бұрын

    this is totally off topic but 0:58 was so unexpected that shit had me rolling 💀💀💀💀

  • @dmanthetiger7179
    @dmanthetiger717911 ай бұрын

    The hitmarker sound at 2:04 is phenomenal

  • @zippingrat6563
    @zippingrat656310 ай бұрын

    Pucci's stand is part horse The horse is fast But it doesn't have the same perception as Pucci Imagine Pucci's stand is pushing/pulling him around, he is fast but his perception isn't

  • @Zeartist
    @Zeartist10 ай бұрын

    Just remember. If you're not Jotaro then your stand stats do not correlate to your physical capabilities.

  • @zfourtythree
    @zfourtythree11 ай бұрын

    Does Pucci percieve time differently than everybody else? If so, that would mean he spent days, years, eons, or whatever else as an active participant in the battle with no breaks and spoke really, really slowly during his lines of dialogue. I always figured that his ability was specifically to create and move within accelerated time, meaning he could move at a speed relative to the universe but still percieved time the same way as everybody else. Was there something I missed confirming that he actually percieves accelerated time?

  • @pedrothiagosimoes5832
    @pedrothiagosimoes583211 ай бұрын

    My theory as to why he didn't just accelerate time while in the prison might be because it's something that you can't stop, like once the stand power is activated it gradually accelerates time until the universe resets, and maybe Pucci wanted to make sure that Emporio was in the ghost room before he started accelerating time so he could make sure he wouldn't evade him, after all he did accelerate time while in the ghost room. But I might be wrong, I only watched the anime so I could have missed a panel that explains Pucci's ability

  • @LordGacie
    @LordGacie11 ай бұрын

    I am still wondering what did Pucci done in all of these days of accelerated time (if he's actually only slowing down living creatures from his POV), also I want to mention that how if he's living in accelerated time, how does he speak to the team?

  • @godther1391
    @godther139111 ай бұрын

    Its not that he has bad or normal reaction, he has reaction that corresponds to his speed. Its just that although humans were sped up, objects weren’t. Knives, or bullets would travel at him at his relative level of speed, so if he couldnt dodge it with his normal speed, he wouldnt dodge it while fast either. With emporio he wasnt accelerating time, so he wouldnt be able to just blitz him, their speed was relative

  • @FriedMonkey362
    @FriedMonkey36211 ай бұрын

    Banger thumbnail

  • @FlymanMS
    @FlymanMS11 ай бұрын

    How does people have trouble understanding that Pucci's stats are not his stand's stats. While he can react quicker he first need to know what to react to, and even with that his stamina and speed are his human qualities, he is only as fast in reaction and speed as he humanely can. Jolyne explicitly says it when she sends Emporio with the dolphin.

  • @strangerdanger2513
    @strangerdanger251310 ай бұрын

    We are also not looking at the fact that with realistic time it he only had his power for like what, less than 10 minutes before the emporio chase? Most of the other speedsters have had their powers for at least a couple of months or get this off screen training arc where they'd also have it for a couple of months. We are mostly looking at if pucci was given the same amount of time with mih and not pucci within 10 minutes of having his power. He'ass simply not used to the speed yet, but could easily keep up after having his power for more than a week

  • @RatherWither
    @RatherWither11 ай бұрын

    problem with the perception part is, Pucci dodged a point blank bullet, and star platinum's barrage, which is light speed soooo, and the problem with him getting faster over time is, he accelerated time and just went fast around emporio, third is he didnt speed blitz emporio because he didnt think he needed to

  • @fallingsky219
    @fallingsky21911 ай бұрын

    Alright I’m surprised y’all haven’t realized this but the way puccis stand works is that he can only blitz and do all that fun stuff once he starts a universal acceleration, the reason why he didn’t blitz emporio is because he couldn’t without the universe accelerating, it’s why in the end he declares he’s accelerating the universe again in order to kill him, which then follows with pucci trying to blitz emporio He travels inside of the accelerated time, he can’t just be fast asl normally, he can only do it once he engages a universe acceleration

  • @ganjamcunanan4097
    @ganjamcunanan409711 ай бұрын

    W Day Kaleb Upload!

  • @DiabolicJoe
    @DiabolicJoe11 ай бұрын

    I think what MIH’s “infinite speed” means is that it has to no limit to how fast it can go or how fast it can accelerate time

  • @HankRichard
    @HankRichard10 ай бұрын

    His power is literally the plot of "Spy Kids 4D: All the Time in the World"

  • @leecrawford6560
    @leecrawford656011 ай бұрын

    you using the Tom&Jerry kid/child version clip was a nostalgic 😛

  • @Nyghtking
    @Nyghtking10 ай бұрын

    One of the reasons I figured he didn't was his speed ability relies on him speeding up the universe, so yeah he could blitz people but objects would move relative to him, if he couldn't say, dodge a baseball being thrown at normal speed he isn't going to dodge it by speeding up time and thus causing the ball to move at it's same speed relative to him, plus he's inside a building so accelerating time itself while inside a structure might not be the best idea.

  • @EmperorProtects1
    @EmperorProtects110 ай бұрын

    What people fail to understand is that Pucci's ability isn't even slightly related to SPEED. It's GRAVITY, and always has been. When he achieves Made in Heaven he says "The power of gravity is compelted." or something along those lines, he's using the gravity of the entire universe to accelerate time up until it reaches a GRAVITATIONAL singularity. The acceleration is just a result of wibbly-wobbly gravity stuff.

  • @Crimson0047
    @Crimson004711 ай бұрын

    I've always believed that just because he's fast as possible for his body to handle, it doesn't mean his preseption is that fast.

  • @bagelgirl8469
    @bagelgirl846911 ай бұрын

    the point mentioned around 1:00 - 1:30 is already mentioned in the Manga and Anime. He can't accelerate time any further, because Emporio would be in the new perfect world, which he didn't want him to be alive in there.

  • @gringolikeme3564
    @gringolikeme356410 ай бұрын

    That thumbnail is sending me

  • @poketdoom
    @poketdoom11 ай бұрын

    Pucchi can only speed blitz if he speeds up the universe, he did not want to speed up time at that moment

  • @killabean990
    @killabean99011 ай бұрын

    Love the thumbnail lmao

  • @SneedBass
    @SneedBass11 ай бұрын

    When Kaleb was showing a quick montage of fastest characters, he should have shown the Linkara running gif.

  • @r.lazybones7249
    @r.lazybones724914 күн бұрын

    Super easy way to explain it would be if your playing an online game, you go up against someone who is lagging horrendously and they APPEAR to be teleporting, but to them (pucci) they are moving normally, and thus other peoples actions appear slow to pucci, but to others pucci apears fast, time is relative to the user (pucci) and everyone else has to play around that. So recap: pucci simply percieves time as normal while everyone else percieves it as unimaginable speeds.

  • @scottpayne7862
    @scottpayne786211 ай бұрын

    The reason puchi gets hit by the knife is because it's moving at these accelerated speed as well. Pucci's infinite speed stat is just because of the time acceleration. Other non living things also move at these speeds. And the reason pucci doesn't use made in heaven against emporio is explained, once time acceleration starts, emporio will inevitably escape him, and he only uses it as a last ditch attempt after everything else else fails, and be was outsmarted.

  • @EmperorOfApathy
    @EmperorOfApathy11 ай бұрын

    A lot of jojo stats kinda don’t make sense, like GE’s destructive power stat. For me, depending on the stand, I consider the stats to either be based on the stand’s basic abilities compared to a person, the strength of the stands power, or just random bullshit araki pulled out his ass. The infinite speed for MIH is its capacity to infinitely increase its speed up until the point of human measurement ends, so somewhere just below the speed of light. And like mentioned in the video, the stand stats *arent* the users stats. It only looks like it works in pucci’s case since MIH’s ability can be used on pucci.

  • @sirjoesphjoestar8361

    @sirjoesphjoestar8361

    10 ай бұрын

    stand stats are totally consistent, because some refer to abilities of stands vs their physical capabilities

  • @EmperorOfApathy

    @EmperorOfApathy

    10 ай бұрын

    @@sirjoesphjoestar8361 I say inconsistent because of the lack of any static meaning to the stats. For example, stat platinum and golden experience’s stats at the beginning of their respective parts. SP has an A in everything except for range, cool. Now GE has a C for power, precision, and range, A for speed and potential, and D for durability. Where is the consistency? If it’s based on the stands overall physical abilities, it would mostly make sense except for its range and power, where the range is stated to be two meters for both its reach from giorno and it’s life giving ability and it’s power is higher than C, which was meant to be around the strength of a normal human. If it’s the ability itself, it absolutely doesn’t make sense. The destructive capabilities of the life giving are massive, the range stat should be shortened to what it says, two meters, the precision should be heightened since it needs to be so close to activate its ability along with its high speed, which is fine and matches what’s shown, as well as its potential since by the point I’m exploring, it’s introduction, giorno only used it for a couple weeks, and it’s durability is fine but feels like it should be higher if it’s created organisms can last so long and have a large range of effects, like damage reflection. Short version, yes, the stats are inconsistent and contrived

  • @yohans232
    @yohans23210 ай бұрын

    The knife is an object. As we see on the TV at one point the guy drops the glass and it falls really fast, same with the knife since jokyne is no longer touching it. Emporios ghost gun doesn't work bc it's a stand ability high isn't accelerated. I'd assume the bullets are also ghost bullets which also aren't accelerated

  • @knotus
    @knotus10 ай бұрын

    pucci just got the stand too

  • @robertcooper4th259
    @robertcooper4th2599 ай бұрын

    I crossover battle that would be interesting is pucci vs peril because if he gets close, he dies, he melts, but he never tried to throw an object at anyone in the final battle of jojo, then would the object melt and if so would it pierce peril while melted. ?

  • @babies1238
    @babies123811 ай бұрын

    So basically his body accelerated with time, but not his mind? Relatable.

  • @theplague5803
    @theplague580310 ай бұрын

    I always thought that the stand also allowed him to hitch a ride on this time acceleration, but then he would also drown and stuff, so i don't know, but that is what i have thought happened

  • @ohno3736
    @ohno373611 ай бұрын

    I'm pretty sure the 'infinite speed' stat just means that MiH could theoretically keep accelerating time for eternity assuming nothing impeded its progress, so in a sense there isn't a real limit to how fast he can move

  • @glerbus9561
    @glerbus956111 ай бұрын

    The ability is actually gravity manipulation that allows for time dilation to accur.

  • @what1fun1v3rs3
    @what1fun1v3rs311 ай бұрын

    i'd like to see more vids like this

  • @My_name_is_Yoshikage_Kira
    @My_name_is_Yoshikage_Kira9 күн бұрын

    I just understood that pucci in that time acceleration lived like trillion of years...

  • @TheAlison1456
    @TheAlison145611 ай бұрын

    1:00 hahha, nice.

  • @leontewhitfield7465
    @leontewhitfield746511 ай бұрын

    I may be wrong but it’s like when he said he was ahead by 2 step he had time to react to his situation unlike when the knife was thrown he would’ve known it was coming so to see the knife and react is different then him just moving fast

  • @KeizerSosebee
    @KeizerSosebee11 ай бұрын

    the knife being a non living thing was moving at the speed of the universe plus the force it acquired when it was thrown making it faster than Pucci who doesn’t have any external force applied to him to increase his velocity so to him it’s like if someone threw a knife at him without MiH

  • @ThornDevl
    @ThornDevl11 ай бұрын

    I’m pretty sure with a knife he can dodge that even if he had superspeed perception because when he throws knives they’re also accelerated so it wouldn’t stop that just because it’s someone else throwing it so the knife was relative to his speed. Also he’s messing with his body a bunch, it’s hard to say whether or not his perception can keep up because he doesn’t age through this, but he still has the ability to understand what’s happening

  • @mrhenry404
    @mrhenry40410 ай бұрын

    if he got inf speed then that means hes faster than light, meaning when he goes fast mode, hes not seeing anything at all

  • @willowthompson9220
    @willowthompson922011 ай бұрын

    Movement speed vs reaction speed vs perception speed vs processing speed.

  • @tomaskaila
    @tomaskaila10 ай бұрын

    My take on speedsters, and really cases like the Flash and Pucci is really similar to this. People are always complaining "they should be able to react to this" or "the writers really nerf the characters" or "they can think faster than light, it makes no sense for them to not be the strongest". And 9 times out of 10, the situation involves someone whose speed is active/conditional getting caught by surprise. Infinite movement speed doesn't mean infinite perception. That's why Pucci gets tagged with a knife, that's why Deadshot can put a sniper round through the Flash's leg. Even if you can dodge a hit with infinite speed, you can't dodge shit if you don't even know you should be dodging something. On the other hand someone like Spiderman would never get hit by a surprise attack like these, because his spider-sense is explicitly warning him about imminent threats of any kind. Even without super speed he can dodge point-blank gunshots not because he's faster than the bullet, but because he gets out of the way before the bullet is even shot. GER would fall under that category I believe, preventing an attack before it has been enacted.

  • @kofio369
    @kofio36911 ай бұрын

    I heard kaleb used to be a mudkip before pucci used his stand 😂

  • @TheSpeedwagonFoundation
    @TheSpeedwagonFoundation10 ай бұрын

    As your viewers are pointing out, his speed is relative to the speed of the Universe. The moment the knife leaves Jolyne’s hand it regains it’s speed equivalent to the speed of the universe around it.

  • @junebug4004
    @junebug400411 ай бұрын

    I think i understood his power.

  • @SaddestTV
    @SaddestTV11 ай бұрын

    im thinking its a combination of 2 things A. processing speed, his brain is still human after all and moving faster does not mean you think faster, as such he has to plan where he's going to blitz before he does, its part of the reason he doesn't just full speed knock down emporio B. much like an issue with time stop that probably doesn't exist but its something to mention, hes moving so fast that the function of photons cannot interact with his light catching cells in his eyes, because light needs to bounce off of an object before entering the recipients retinas he moves faster than that interaction can happen causing him to go blind, kinda like how lemillion from mha can't see when using his quirk on his head

  • @OmegaShenronDragon
    @OmegaShenronDragon11 ай бұрын

    The use of the does he know meme

  • @deshawnwilliams6939
    @deshawnwilliams693911 ай бұрын

    He’s got that heavenly speed

  • @juncheok8579
    @juncheok857911 ай бұрын

    For why he didn't blitz Emporio, didn't he slow the universe back down to kill Emporio? Doesn't that mean he needs to accelerate time again? Remember, he didn't instantly accelerate the universe, it went faster and faster as in "accelerating"

  • @sunshinex2012
    @sunshinex201211 ай бұрын

    While I agree with some points some things I believe you didn’t take into consideration. For example he was able to easily dodge jolyne and STAR PLATINUMS punches but he not the knife due to the being accelerated also. This also makes sense as to why he could dodge emporios bullets but not the knife. With this pucci reaction time is definitely faster than without accelerated time however the objects he couldn’t dodge without being fast he still couldn’t dodge while being fast.

  • @Davinator12
    @Davinator1211 ай бұрын

    I think he just got outsmarted regardless of speed

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