Burgess was playing at 6 for bath and then at 13 for England. Not only did he have to learn a new code of rugby, but had to learn 2 positions. England were always ahead on the scoreboard when he was on the pitch. 13 is the hardest channel to defend as well. Credit where credit is due, he held his own.

@lebowski_dude

Жыл бұрын

He played 12 for England.

Brown really came across well in this podcast. There's certainly a tendency among non-English fans to perceive him as an unpleasant person but this podcast made me view him as quite the opposite! Would love to see him on the podcast again :)

@davidlee7503

3 жыл бұрын

Fully agree. Always admired his talent and commitment . Didn't enjoy his on field attitude though but that interwiew showed what a stand up guy he obviously is. As an aside , my issue with the England side of that era before even WC year was too many big egos. But that is what got them up to that level

@Formakiwi

3 жыл бұрын

@@davidlee7503 their talents and training got them to that level. Their egos and their arrogance got them bounced from their own WC in the pools, failing to win a 6N title during Lancaster's tenure, and beaten 4 times in a single year by the All Blacks.

@06alepea1

3 жыл бұрын

It's the same with Biggar and Sexton. Absolute weapons on the pitch, but from all the interviews I've seen they look like stellar blokes.

@itwoznotme

3 жыл бұрын

sometimes winners can look like bad people on the pitch, but its what makes them what they are! normally they change completely once the game is done....but a few are just tools! Always loved mikes 'angry man' approach on the pitch.

@hyllaf

3 жыл бұрын

not so much on the pitch thou - but, yeah

Didn’t think Burgess put a foot wrong in the tournament. Shameful the way he was treated.

Thought it was quite public knowledge that Burgess was talking about Mike and George Ford?

Sam was spot on, he gave his take and is much more informed then the interviewer who made out as if she was in the England camp

@45maw65

3 жыл бұрын

He was the best player on the pitch against Wales. Roberts couldn’t get past him. Then they took him off. I thought he was talking about the Fords.

@seanyshepfit

3 жыл бұрын

@@45maw65 He was talking about the Fords. He's got a very good relationship with Farrell.

As a Kiwi, I would've loved to have seen Sam Burgess stick around for a bit longer. Such enormous potential but he never got to realise it.

Mike is a great servant of the game and full of humility off the field.

So basically he talks around it without actually saying much at all.

Never really heard him speak too much before, but very eloquent and very well trained!

I love how every player and coach has blamed something other than the fact Wales and Australia both turned up and beat England fair and square it was called the pool of death for a reason one of the big three were gonna miss out and it was England.

@1815matt

3 жыл бұрын

Agreed. I don't even think that England played that badly against Wales. Just a bit better game management and the result could have gone the other way. Only 3 points in it and they had led by 7 at half time. It was a shame, but people act like England were horrendous and threw it all away. We lost to two good teams, won the two other games, and didn't qualify.

@nicholasvanlierde2546

3 жыл бұрын

It was all about the pack of forwards. All the debate around the backline is just a sideshow. The game was going against england long before Burgess left the field

@robcord5982

2 жыл бұрын

Not blamed anyone other than themselves. What utter nonsense are you speaking?

@gus-qj2mp

2 жыл бұрын

@@robcord5982 wanna read my comment again you spud?

Sam was bang on ,talking about England the way he did.

@MKRM27

3 жыл бұрын

No, Sam was a prick

Think Burgess was talking in a wider context than just the WC, but also addressed it specifically Jamie could have commented after all Sam was drafted in precisely to counter him in the Welsh match. Was she probing to get a bite out of Brown? A tidy headline perhaps, he served that as well as he did on the pitch, thought he (Mike Brown) came across really well, and just increased his own credibility and standing, well played sir.

"surely blaming egos is not the way to go about it", but if that was the issue do you just ignore it?..

Sam didn’t walk on eggshells when expressing his knowledge on the matter, he said it like it was, cheers to Sam.

If Sam went to a club like sale, Newcastle, wasps etc I think he would've stayed. Bath was the wrong club

The biggest factor in that pool in the 2015 world cup was David Pocock. He pretty much single handedly destroyed both Wales and England. It had nothing to do with Burgess's selection. But he was a 6 or 8, not a centre.

Sam Burgess was the best Rugby League player in the world in 2013, in the season in 2013 when Sonny Bill came back to the Nrl for the roosters, I mean he had SBW on the ropes from round one. I feel fucking furious about how Sam was treated. he was the fall guy down purely to Mike Ford and his ambitions to be England Coach.there is an analysis about this by not only Haskell, but backed up by a story by Goodie. Big Sam in any other club but Bath at the time, he would have been played at 12. In the UK there is that perception that if you play in the forwards in League, then you are automatically a Back Row in Union. Absolute Bullshit. In League, a world class player can play in a variety of positions, in the half's, centre, wings and FB. Lancaster got the message, Sam, as with the All Blacks with Sonny Bill, Sam was a 12 all day. Big shame. And us losing to Wales, the blame on Sam. BULLSHIT. we were winning when he came off.

Good response.

l'm a Wales fan and when Sam went off you could see the change! Mike is dancing he knows Sam nailed him and Ford! But hey what do l know.

Brown’s a top player and top guy

It was way too early for Burgess to be in a World Cup. They hadn't even figured out his best position at club level!

@stephenwalters8006

3 ай бұрын

Concur

We know who he was talking about. Ford. What’s the mystery

@newspaper9949

3 жыл бұрын

What did Ford do??

@jack9315

3 жыл бұрын

@@newspaper9949by the sounds of it his attitude when he wasn't picked and his Dad attitude and approach to coaching/Sam

@andrewbaird8219

3 жыл бұрын

@@newspaper9949 check out house of rugby interview with burgess last year. Explains all

As an England fan you have to remember that Wales beat us at Twickers and Wales had tons of injuries at that World Cup. Pocock beat us by himself when we played the Aussies.

@robertaskew3677

Ай бұрын

As an England fan you would remember that we were 9 pts up when Burgess was taking off and replaced by Ford who you run over by North and Roberts both of which wasn’t in the game until Sam was taking of!

The presenter doesn’t have a clue tbh.

@seanyshepfit

3 жыл бұрын

Diversity quota.

@williamdickerson8898

3 жыл бұрын

She was stirring the pot. And he was to smart for her. That's why they always want to interview players after a game when emotions are high. Browns interview after wales loss in w.c. 2015 is night and day

Is Jamie trying to hide a grin? 😁😉

@ninianpark1329

3 жыл бұрын

lol

Jason Robinson offered a lot more to the game than Bruiser Burgess.

Being ultra diplomatic and saying nothing, though he did start by saying that he was disappointed that there were players who were brilliant the year before and who weren’t picked - that was interesting, but the interview didn’t ask him who! I’ve no idea who he meant, but I’d like to know...

@joewarriner547

3 жыл бұрын

@@powerbite92 yeah and in the case of Burrell at least its telling that Eddie wasn't interested in him either.

@theowedge8245

3 жыл бұрын

Cips had to be there

For reference. Sam was talking about the father some due of the Fords. England were winning against Wales up to the point where Sam was taken off and George Ford was brought on and the game dynamic changed. He made it very clear on the house of rugby what he meant.

@danhadley4242

3 жыл бұрын

Nah dam wasn’t that gwd against wales England were just making too many mistakes and wales took advantage

@thecuttingsark5094

3 жыл бұрын

England were winning, Sam comes off, England lose. It’s that simple. After he went off, his opposite man, Jamie Roberts makes the pass leading to the Welsh try.

@danhadley4242

3 жыл бұрын

@@thecuttingsark5094 and how can u say Sam would have stopped the try or stop Jamie there’s millions of factors I mean I could say Scott Williams ran passed Sam earlier in the match and should have passed to Gareth Davies and he would have been in but he didn’t there’s not just one guy in a team mate 😂

@thecuttingsark5094

3 жыл бұрын

Dan Hadley England winning, Sam comes off, England lose.

@gus-qj2mp

3 жыл бұрын

@@danhadley4242 I know its just ridiculous reading comments like that

It was a catalogue of disasters. Burgess could well have become a good RU player, but he just wasn't ready for that World Cup, although he was nowhere near as bad as people will have you believe. But frankly, his selection isn't down to him anyway, but Lancaster. Lancaster, in his selection policy bottled it. I suspect given it over again, things would be different. It's a sad state of affairs when the best player on the pitch over all was a 37 year old No8 brought in as an injury replacement. (The excellent Nick Easter). I agree that on pitch, Brown comes across as bolshy but he is strangely diplomatic here.

Holy that girl spiritual

Think Brown is so underrated, just a shame he was playing at the same time as Halfpenny and Hogg or he'd definitely be a lion imo

Egos, cliques and back-stabbing.... in an England camp....hard to believe. But Brown confirms it. Bunch of Prima Donna's.

All I know is sam burgess is the man, top man and top rugby player.

Sammy Burgess did not do Anything wrong on the rugby union field, he was at 6 for Bath and had transitioned from the brutal game of league to the more thinking game of union. He was spot on about his comments in the squad . Look at that coaching staff Stuart has been at the most successful union side in the northern hemisphere and has cemented himself as a class coach. Andy Farrell is without doubt the May successful League player to convert to union coaching, Brad Davis often gets looked over but that’s another discussion. Back to Burgess he was spot on, there were egos and cliques within the squad and they didn’t want Sammy in the team. When he left the Bunnies he was the best rugby player in the world both codes and was not given a fair crack in the international game

@stephenwalters8006

3 ай бұрын

Best rugby player in the world ?...your world..? Burgess had very little skill as far as i could see...smashing the crap out of people makes him the Worlds best player ? ABSURD

Sam Burgess was taken off in 58th minute and substituted for Tom Ford against Wales. Burgess equalized Jamie Roberts yet after the substitution Wales pounced and came back. Mike Ford of Bath went behind Burgess’s back. Tom Ford was no good either. Especially sad coming from ex League people as well. You can listen to Burgess explain himself.

@hubub2475

3 жыл бұрын

Presumably you mean George Ford?

@jonnybaynham1689

3 жыл бұрын

@@hubub2475 Stuart Lancaster wanted to see 20 minutes of sharp suits on the boys

@usarugbyleagueunionfan

3 жыл бұрын

@@hubub2475 Haha. Correct. Thanks for correction.

@ay613

3 жыл бұрын

love rugby league.

@usarugbyleagueunionfan

3 жыл бұрын

@@ay613 Me too. I love both codes

Sam Burgess is an incredible athlete who has performed outstandingly at the highest level since he was 18 and both deserves and probably expects to be treated with respect but during that time he was treated like some novice imposter by fans, the rugby establishment, the media pundits and I suspect by some players. Why the hell would he stick around to get more of that when he could go back to the NRL and be welcomed with open arms?

Burgess shouldn't have been selected to the World Cup at all, let alone in the backline. He could've been a great 6 or 8 if he were given the time and the right coaching. It's a real shame how that was handled.

I'm not sure WHO keeps talking about it! I follow a lot of rugby pundits and news coverage. Beyond the initial furor after his Haskel interview... It had been years since and now months after and this is the first return to it. Maybe leave it in the past u less a player brings it up...

Ask Jamie Roberts how he went on against Sam. 60 mins played three metres gained. !! Lucky Sam was naive or he might have had negative yardage

Very diplomatic Mike but you chickened out of addressing the issues and answering the question

I thibk sam came out in defence after a lot of blame was put on him, after the failure of the tournament

@almcdonald8676

3 жыл бұрын

Agreed. It was a pathetic mismanagement from start to finish. Lancaster brought him across as a centre but wouldn’t pay for him so he ended up playing flanker for bath and centre for England. I’m surprised the dichotomy didn’t drive him mad. Even then, he didn’t really put a foot wrong and it was barrits dog leg that allowed a makeshift Welsh back line to cut through and score.Then after he announced he was returning to league the bath dressing room led by Stuart hooper, wouldn’t even say goodbye. You can’t get much more pathetic than that. And I’m a union man.

@seanyshepfit

3 жыл бұрын

Wasn't it Sonny Bill Williams?

He fell out with that megalomaniac Eddie Jones and wasn’t seen much in an England shirt looking back.However on his day one of the worlds best.

Good bloke but too many players like him in the team, not good enough at the highest level

he's not saying much here really

Game went well until Sam went off the pitch. Facts.

No surprise the RFU decided to denigrate a league player is it? That's been half their purpose at least since the split.

Mike backing Sam up here. Too many wetty boys in the England teams over the years

Sam Burgess blaming Ford for the 2015 loss to Wales is insane. I watched the game again and it had absolutely nothing to do with Ford. The forward pack was completely useless as they were all tournament. For Sam Burgess to come out and say what he did, however much he dislikes someone, he was completely wrong. So what the hell.

If this was a takedown of Sam Burgess it was misplaced and misguided. 15 men plus a bench. Beaten fair and square. Burgess didn’t miss Foley twice. Foley made turnstiles of half the England team but not Sam. And Sam didn’t get a yellow card. Easy to blame the mungo. But wrong.

Hey Mike, how about expressing an actual opinion, youre not a tory MP so no need to sound like one

Blimey, I thought he was as dull as....zzzz.....sorry I fell asleep before finishing my simile. And now I can't be bothered.

@danhooper3467

3 жыл бұрын

You aren't funny.

@howardgilpin8818

3 жыл бұрын

Maybe not funny but Mike seemed to be dancing round the topic. Really told us very little except disappointment players felt.

Yeh yeh blame the league guy union community are such sooks. It's great seeing aggressive athletes come over from NRL they bring entertainment which union lacks

Sorry Mike Brown but your one of the worst speakers to listen to when trying to explain your views, I will give you your due tho at least you tried.

Don't like the guy, looks like he wouldn't be out of place in an EDL rally, pulling mc'frownie face at the police. Rugby players are extremely priviledged spoilt people, I just find it unacceptable on any level that they are angry or that they look so completely hateful. I just find it all petulant and twerpish.

Your women were better than the men