Best review out there. You answered all my questions. Thanks dude!

Great review! I appreciate you talking about the smaller wheels. As someone with a smaller foot I didn’t want to miss out on the 90s since that’s what everyone talks about but I just know it would be too big. Just placed an order for the Endless 80. I agree with the idea that rockered is great for beginners. I had a rollerblade flat set up as my first pair and it was very hard to get used to. I ended up returning it and buying an $80 pair on Amazon that not only had a removable liner and better shell (in my opinion) but came full banana 76/80/80/76. It was definitely easier and very intuitive to pick up. Everyone says that a rockered set up is harder because of “less stability” but you have a much easier time catching yourself when you do lose balance. The only issue I find is gaining speed and maintaining it but I’m still a beginner so I struggle to balance on the two wheels properly. I find myself learning extremely quickly as well compared to my sister who started on quads with me and still looks like a newborn. I would definitely recommend to everyone and anyone!

Product background, context, alternatives, use examples... awesome review! I have an FR1 skate and the 90/110 version seems like the next logical purchase to get more versatility out of them. Really digging that it can be both 4 natural rocker wheel setup and a 3 big wheel set up for long cruising. It beats buying two frames. They are 1/2 the price of wizards and provides more options. Wizards with their UFS mount gets you lower to the ground for a specific setup but these frames could be worth the compromise. I'm getting back into skating after a long hiatus and its nice to have so much more variation than there used to! Thanks for the video!

Very helpful, thanks, Drew.

Great review man, really thorough description of the pros and cons of these. As a big footed skater (size 13) I'm pretty stoked to see some stuff with a longer wheelbase that offers more features than other frames at similar prices. If I wasn't so cheap I'd be all over these, maybe I down the road I'll be able to justify the upgrade.

Fantastic review buddy. Very informative. I always appreciate your knowledge on skates and skating.

@CityBlades

4 жыл бұрын

WHITTYskater let me know how you get on with yours 🙂

Very good review bro. I’m stoked to test them out. You confirmed something I was wondering about. That they might be a nice balance for beginners.

@CityBlades

4 жыл бұрын

Deez Skates definitely, idc what anyone says lol flat for beginners is absolutely not appropriate. That’s why everyone that tries roller and ice says ice is easier-turning your feet in order to turn just makes sense. Picking up your feet and placing them in another direction for the first time is hard

@DeezSkates

4 жыл бұрын

Coming from a quad skating background I’m highly inclined to agree. Quad skaters do not enjoy the transition from quad to Inline because in quads they can just apply pressure from the ankle and foot to flex the trucks and cushions for easy turning. Once I recommend they rocker their skates they’re always surprised and tell me “it actually feels more like quads now! I can maneuver so easy in them!” The flat inline setup requires so much more work and coordination from the hips and knees that a beginner skater does not have yet.

I was lucky enough to get a pair in my first month of skating. Thanks for mentioning how that slight rocker can help beginners. It really helped me to understand how skating should feel. I think it's a great frame for those starting out.

@CityBlades

4 жыл бұрын

Chris V. Agreed, I think skaters of all levels will love these, but the slight rocker is something that absolutely should come on beginner skates & never does

@Jkw211

4 жыл бұрын

City Blades So interesting ..Im a total beginner - 6ft tall ,185 lbs with size 13 (47 eu) boots- on flat 243mm frame setups. (RB Twister 4x80 and PS Kaze 3x110) Learning hasn’t been easy...and Im beginning to think I made a mistake buying these setups(!) Can you recommend a better setup plz? (for basic “urban” skating/parks bike paths/some commuting ) I’m really interested in some rockered 4x100s.. or maybe 4x90s..? I just don’t knew anymore🤷‍♂️ :(

@CityBlades

4 жыл бұрын

VonJhonn what is that, like 29.5 cm? Either should work for you. My feet are 27 and I like my 243 and 255 frames. 90’s are 273 and 100’s are 303... 90’s will be a little lighter and more agile

@Jkw211

4 жыл бұрын

City Blades thanks for the reply. Yes, 29.5 exactly . And thanks for the advice. . It looks like my only option rn is a 4x90 setup . But I’m gonna stick with my 243 frames for a while and maybe try to get into slalom stuff 🤷‍♂️

Best review of these frames. Thanks. And I'm definitely using that 84-80 set up..

Really good review man, tells people all they need to know about this frame, and I totally agree with everything said here. These are quality frames and I like that there are choices of dual frame available, your 4x80 or 84mm/3x100, I've been skating the 4x90mm/3x110mm, and at some time I'd like to compare the 4x100/3x110 to the NR100 Wizards. I'm just having some fun on these, only skated them a little so far, had another skate in them today and it feels better again. I don't have the twirly, dancy skills, I feel I could but it's just the fear of falling flat on my face, ha, but not giving up, every day is a learning day. I'd recommend these frames to anyone. Good luck man ☀️

@DeezSkates

4 жыл бұрын

Johro, I’m really glad to hear you like them. I know you’ve got quite a few setups and the input you give is always well thought out. If you have time, I’d be interested to hear some more in-depth input on how the 4x90 rocker feels compared to other rockered skates of similar length.

@Erikjoelalexander

4 жыл бұрын

Heey! I've been skating on my Seba FR1's with 80mm wheels now for three years and thinking about upgrading my frame to 4x90 but am unsure wheter 90 or 84 mm is better for me. Care to share your experience on 4x90?

@Johro66

4 жыл бұрын

@@Erikjoelalexander I love the 90's, they feel very maneuverable and they're fast too, but I've had no 84's to compare them too, you'd get a better idea from watching Deez Skates' review as David from Deez Skates skated both setups kzread.info/dash/bejne/iIClqq2ik8e_YbQ.html

Thank you for saying this would work for beginners, and validating that a flat setup does not turn without picking up your feet! Ugh - I've been so frustrated. My feet are 230mm long and I'm short and weigh less than 100 lbs, and I've been trying to turn on Rollerblade Maxxum 90s - my first skates - and have been so frustrated, I finally ordered these frames. I totally agree that all beginner frames should come with frames like these. I could afford to get these, but it's really too bad they are not more accessible for most beginners. Thanks again for such a thorough and honest review! I can't wait to get these (waiting and waiting for them to come......)!

Nice covering of the frames. Really professional review. Thank you mate

Thanks for the perfect review! I was waiting for this. I expected some more rockering than a 1mm or less. Currently I have much fun with a 76-80-80-76 (244 bont frame on twister), but next week I will get some 78s which might bring me to a similar setting of the endless. I agree that a natural rocker with identical wheels is easier in terms of wearing. Ok. Buying the endless would be next logical step.👍

Thanks for your review, as always very detailed and practical. I'm really digging that 4x84... I'm used to 80's and don't want to hit the 100 and up. So that 84 should be my best bet.

@CityBlades

4 жыл бұрын

84 is a good spot IMO. It doesn't seem like it'd be much faster but most wheels get bigger cores at that size so it ends up being fairly noticeably faster

@deadswordsman

4 жыл бұрын

if you wanna go for 3skates, go for 125 straight.

Interesting Review, Thanks!

Thanks for this!

GREAT VIDEO! How comparable is the endless frame to the Adapt frames in terms of power transfer and responsiveness?

Bought the 90/110 can’t wait 😊

@OrganicGonzalez

3 жыл бұрын

How’s the set up these days?

Is it possible to fit 125mm wheels on the 100|110 endless frame with a FRX 80 boot?

Did you intentionally avoid the comparison to Wizard frames in terms of the feel? You did give a very extensive review of those at the time, so you surely have something to say on the topic...

@CityBlades

4 жыл бұрын

I said they were NR90-ish, and compared the amount of rocker to the back of Wizards, but overall I don't think they're that similar. Wizards have a different rocker and some forward lean on the frame and also a bit of HiLo on the wheel config; I don't think it's fair to compare every rockered frame that comes out to wizard frames, lol they didn't invent it

@NazarOnWheels

4 жыл бұрын

City Blades I see your point

I’m a intermediate level skater and are looking into endless frame 80 with either 4x 80 or 84 wheels setup. I am a urban/city/skate park skater and want a boot that’s light weight. What boot do you recommend for these endless 80 frames?

You should make a comparison video with the adapt symetrics 84s that you love so much. Would love to hear your thoughts on it. Wondering which would be best for my FR1s for freeskating

@CityBlades

4 жыл бұрын

the issue is the bolt holes on the symetrics are too small to fit seba bolts, so i haven't been able to use them in years

@romaDa

4 жыл бұрын

@@CityBlades oh that's unfortunate... Thanks for the reply though, love your videos!

Great review, thanks man, just all the info ineeded

The big question.... Endless v Wizard. I know you've tried them both. Rockers similar.. could you wizard style with the endless ?

Hey I have seba trix 2 80, size 11 US. can I use these frames on it ? Also with my size would it be better to buy 90|100 frame (Also it fit 80 or 84mm wheels ?). I am looking to use for little bit of tricks. .going down stairs, jumps etc. please help !

@CityBlades

3 жыл бұрын

Yes you can. Size is up to you, 84 will be better for foot work

Thank you very much for the review. Which skates would you put these frames on? I urban/city skate on 4 80mm 85As usually. Thoughts?

@CityBlades

4 жыл бұрын

whichever ones fit your feet. Seba and RB cruiser are wide, Powerslide Flying Eagle and Rollerblade Twister are narrow

@LordStanley94

4 жыл бұрын

@@CityBlades Thanks man. Be well

I'm used to a 4x80 mm rockered setup (FR1s) and I consider this should the setup (as well as 4x76 mm rockered) for any beginner. Lately I came back to a 4x80 mm flat setup. Of course, it's stable at high speed and gives me a lot of confidence in a downhill, but that's it, I'm now struggling with parallel slides, even basic freestyle moves and it sucks because I feel like a beginner. Conclusion, a rockered setup is the right setup for me but I'm now looking for bigger setups (a 3 wheel setup is a no-go for me) like 4x90 mm or even 4x100 mm provided that they have a slight rocker and they are 165 mm mounted because I love my FR1s. I found Endless and it looks like it's the only brand which proposes such setups, I'm now very interested. I could go with the 4x100 mm setup as it's rockered with all the advantages of big wheels: speed, stability, agility on rough surfaces. But as reviews are missing, I'm not sure that it's maneuverable despite the slight rocker and it might turn out cumbersome and heavy in some cases, I don't know. I already watched many videos of skaters doing amazing tricks with the Wizard NR100 so it inspires me but I don't have their level since I was already a fully-grown man when I started skating. What do you think of the 4x100 setup? I don't know if you already tried it out though. BTW, thanks for you review and the quality of your videos. Greetings from France.

@CityBlades

4 жыл бұрын

LOL yeah, skating flat sucks Honestly I think if you're used to banana rockered 80, barely rockered 90 or 100 would be a big jump for you. This frame with 80/84/84/80 would feel like a slightly bigger version of banana 80. I'd say the 90 & 100 would probably feel closer to your flat 80, but haven't skated them to confirm

@CityBlades

4 жыл бұрын

Also... this is probably a little controversial but it shouldn’t be, none of the wizard frames are nearly as good for footwork as banana 80 & they were never intended to be-it’s supposed to be a “jack of all trades, master of none” type deal that’ll get you by on any style of skating, but isn’t ideal for any one discipline. Yes people do footwork on them, but it’s not on the level of slalom or inline figure

@emmanuelriou7174

4 жыл бұрын

I'm only an average skater used to the 4x80 rockered setup so yeah, it would be quite challenging for me to skate with the Endless 90 or 100 as the rocker look too small to be significant. This would end up in "cruising/fitness" sessions for me as well as a lot of skaters I presume. A solution would be 86 or 96 mm wheels for the 1st and 4th wheels to keep the same hi/lo setup and so the same maneuverability but such wheels don't exist as far as I know. The 80/84/100 could be relevant though in a 80/84/84/80 mm setup and gives about +3 mm for the 1st and 4th wheels (correct me pls if I'm wrong). So why not?

@CityBlades

4 жыл бұрын

Emmanuel Riou yeah roughly, little less, which with the extra length won’t feel too drastic. And yeah I wish they made more in between sizes for bigger wheels... it’s like 4mm increments from 60 all the way up to 84, and then 90 100 110 125

@emmanuelriou7174

4 жыл бұрын

This might sound crazy but what about the Endless 90 with a 84/90/90/84 mm setup? We would have +4 mm (1st & 4th wheels) so it could be comparable to a 72/80/80/72 with a 243 mm flat frame but as wheels are bigger and the frame longer, these +4 mm wouldn't be "too much" and would eventually turn out to be relevant and pretty fun for a freestyle session plus at the same time, stable enough in a short downhill. All this is only "theoretical". My brain is currently working hard in these tumultuous times as our respective governments excel when it comes to lies, deceptions and blaming others for their own failures!

Yo please keep me personally updated on when your clearly forthcoming somewhat jumpy urban dance cruise edit drops.

@CityBlades

4 жыл бұрын

Sterling Pratt was just looking at an edit with jumps in it from 2 years ago, I decidedly miss them

Cool video, are you going to update us once you've skated them some?

@CityBlades

4 жыл бұрын

Stuart Kelly i did skate them, then sent them to Brock so he could test them, aaand then he kept them 😂 once I get another set I’m gonna mount em up on the FR’s for said “urban, but still dancy” setup

Thanks for the review. Is there a guide on UFS vs. 165? I've been skating the same setup for years (factory setup - have only changed wheels and bearings), and confused about which frames fit on which boots. For a $200 frame, plus $200 boots plus $100 wheels and bearings, are you looking at +$500 for a brand new setup? Very general numbers, I know.

@hotforrobot

4 жыл бұрын

What I did was look for an 80mm complete on sale. Then I just switched out the stock frame for the endless 80. Kept it under $350. A little pricey, but it upgraded my confidence to learn new skills immensely.

@CityBlades

4 жыл бұрын

yes I agree with Derek and Chris

@davew3935

4 жыл бұрын

@@hotforrobot Good idea! I have Rollerblade twisters, so I suppose an Endless frame would fit on them?

@CityBlades

4 жыл бұрын

Dave W they will

@hotforrobot

4 жыл бұрын

@@davew3935 The current line of rb twisters have 165mm frame mounting, so I think you should be able to switch out for an endless 80 or 90 easily. Just check that your boot has 165mm mounts.

What frame do you recommend me. I just want it for very long distance skating. Wish frame will offer the fastest speed and longest glide? 4x90, 4x100 or 3 X10?

@pit9623

3 жыл бұрын

you need a 3 x 110 Setup for long distance or better 3x125

Thanks for the review! Been skating 80 mm for three years now and thinking about upgrading to the 4x90 but the 84 mm seems tempting aswell. Any thoughts? I just want more speed but still keep as much of the maneuverability as possible. Any recommendations?

@CityBlades

4 жыл бұрын

Erikjoelalexander haven’t tried the 90 but I think you’d be happy with the 84

@Erikjoelalexander

4 жыл бұрын

​@@CityBlades Yes, I think that too. Probably gonna order at the 84 now. But what you think about 90 mm wheels in general? Compared to lesser sizes.

@CityBlades

4 жыл бұрын

Erikjoelalexander too long for me, personally.

@Erikjoelalexander

4 жыл бұрын

@@CityBlades Thanks for the input! 😃

@lyntonhowes5154

4 жыл бұрын

@@CityBlades Drew thank you, what's your height and boot size to help provide context, please? Thx

👌🏽

@City Blades, pardon my ignorance: what is a rocker?

@CityBlades

4 жыл бұрын

when the outer wheels are higher than the middle ones

Thanks for the review! I mainly skate for fitness, paved trails and some urban skating. I’ve never skated a rockered frame but like the idea of switching between 90s and 110s. And the Endless 90 frame length fits my big boot size better then the stock 243mm. Is the rockered frame not ideal for long distance skating?

@CityBlades

4 жыл бұрын

Nick Siebenmorgen it’s not that rockered. Also the 3x setup isn’t rockered at all, so you can decide what works better for you

Yep, hope my 4X 90's is delivered soon... I'm a maybe not so average beginner, it felt more like homecoming after 30 years absence from quad and ice skating I started inline skating for first time this summer... And my thought about what the industry does for beginners, is the 3 wheels skates... After just a few hours triskates naturally start to slightly rocker themselves and begin to turn easy... Another upside I think is, 6 wheels cost less than 8... but the downside maybe, the wheels tend to be too big and fast for total beginners and with the shorter wheel base tend to feel unstable at higher speed... I really look forward to have a lower center of gravity with hopefully the same agility and less speed wobble... my fave setup right now is 3X 110 at 243mm, which is fast and agile.. Just feel it's a bit too high and unsupported to learn the more fancy moves and stuff...

@pit9623

3 жыл бұрын

I recommend Powerslide Next with Ego rail 3x100. This is a good compromise between speed and agility. I have a lot of fun with this combination

@pit9623

2 жыл бұрын

then try 3x100 times with 255 rail length. But you don't necessarily need the Endless 80/84/100 rail for this. I would prefer a pure Endless 80 rail if it were then closer to the ground. There is such a rail, it's called NN Monk 4x84. Unfortunately not available in Germany if you don't want to pay by credit card

Would the 80s fit on frx skates?

@CityBlades

3 жыл бұрын

yes

Not going to sugar coat it, the Wizards being USF kind of limits the boot options for stuff that's supportive enough for the night and weight. These would be right at home on some sebas or flying Eagles

@CityBlades

4 жыл бұрын

yep

Awesome, planning on buying these, or the 4*90

@OrganicGonzalez

3 жыл бұрын

How did your 4x90 set up turn out?

@BrennenThomas

3 жыл бұрын

@@OrganicGonzalez not yet, in two minds still, might go for 4*100

@OrganicGonzalez

3 жыл бұрын

@@BrennenThomas guess what I got!! Powerslide Imperial 110s Powerslide Zoom Pro 100 FR Skates FR2 310 🔥 🔥 🔥

@BrennenThomas

3 жыл бұрын

@@OrganicGonzalez crazy collection 🔥

Drew.. Did you skate the NN frames?

@CityBlades

3 жыл бұрын

Nah, had an opportunity but kinda the way they came together I knew I wasn’t going to like them. Small details, 100% preference based, I’m sure a fine product, but not for me

These look very good, I don't understand the decision to include 3x option in there, though. I mean, if someone is after 3x option, there are literally dozens of frames now compatible with 165mm mounting, available for half the price or less. Surely, an option to drop in three wheel setup is welcome, but in reality, how many people will use it? IMO the frame looks worse aesthetically and this basically removes the option for "grinding" copings in Wizard frame style, because of part of the frame sticking out. Moreover, if this adds to the cost of manufacturing the frame, it's just not worth it. 4x84 should be a sweet spot for the most people, I've been rocking this wheel setup for years (RB Fusion 84) and regret getting rid of it... It's not even about the wheel diameter, as when you think of it, 2mm more on radius compared to 80mm wheels is nothing to write home about, but the length. I feel that 243mm frame, when you wear in the natural rocker, become way too wobbly and "sloppy", like it's too easy to oversteer of sorts. 255mm frames don't have that, they are neat balance between agility and stability plus give you a much better base for push. Hell, even 4x76mm in Kizer Level 2 (264mm I think?) felt much better for city skating than a plain 4x80mm in 243mm frame does. This applies to 3x setups too, I switched from 3x110 in 243mm frame on my Next to 255mm one (takes up to 125mm wheels) with the same wheels and the ride is far more enjoyable, I skate faster and feel much more confident on them without having any problems with turning. I still have my beaten PS Imperial boots and was temped to give Endless frames a go with them. For the time being, I've bough a pair of Rollerblade frames taken off large size Twister Edge, they are 255mm low profile ones (they take 80mm max). It was a steal, they cost me like 45 Euros including shipping, bought them from skateshop owner who were selling them that cheap because of paint scratches (I plan to remove the paint to get raw aluminum look, so no big deal).

@CityBlades

4 жыл бұрын

Kamil Ciura eh, depends who you ask... I won’t get much use out of the 3 wheel option, but brock likes rockin them both ways. The nub won’t get in the way of grinds

@kamilciura7953

4 жыл бұрын

@@CityBlades good to know about the nub. Still, I wouldn't skate frames like these in 3x3 configuration, even though I love my Next setup. It would seem like a waste to me. I was watching your old Metroblade C review in which you talk about frame length and your thoughts are spot on. However, as you come from more of aggressive background, you may not know why the thing with "as short as possible" frames happened in freeskating. Before Seba released their first pure-slalom skates (High), before Powerslide came up with the very first integrated padding boot for freestyle slalom, every slalom skater was using the hardboots. Sebastien Laffargue himself used Tecnica Twisters in his prime years as world slalom champion. But the skates available on the market weren't really that suitable for slalom - i.e. Tecnica Twisters, highly regarded back then, weren't even coming with external cuff and there was a shortage of shorter frames... Skaters quickly realised that short wheelbase gives you an advantage when doing tricks between cones. So, they were modding the hell out of their skates - using UFS Salomon freeskate frames with raised heel 165mm boots, attaching hockey skates frames, even some K2 Mod frames with weird mount spacing (150mm I think) and reinforcing the connection with thick aluminium plates. Slalom was booming in Europe and Asia, companies quickly recognised that short frames are the selling point and everyone started to make 4x80 with 243mm length, even though they offered more "balanced" approach before. Even after first dedicated slalom models hit the market, most people were doing cone slalom in hardboots for years, because of entry point price and availability of skates (i.e. Seba didn't had a proper distribution chain in many European countries up to 2010-ish I think). To be fair, to this day skates like FR, Imperial, Twister (not as much as before, but still) are starting point for many beginners and thus, companies want to offer a frame that will be the most universal for both slalom and city skating. It kind of created a snowball effect of newcomers to the sport (urban skating/freeride, not slalom) being convinced that short frames are the best and longer ones are way harder to handle. People repeat that mythos over and over. Companies that did try to break out of this cycle weren't really successful. Even Seba, offering FRs with 4x84 and 4x90 weren't selling a lot of those and such skates were more of a curiosity. Rollerblade tried with Fusion 84 and X7 (I know that Greg Mirzoyan is actually a fan of longer frames himself - he was rocking 255mm Seba ones before his Rollerblade times) but these skates (damn amazing ones) weren't really as popular as Twisters on 243mm frames... Even when they were cheaper. Main critique coming from skaters on the various online forums? That Fusion frames are too long for slalom and you won't be able to use them for it in case you want. Sigh. So there you have it, it's like urban skating was held hostage by slalom for years and it kind of stayed that way with the short frames just because now everybody takes it as the way things should be done. This is why I'm super excited that aggressive guys got on to big wheels too, because you have a completely different point of view. And it already gave fruits: Wizard frames, Endless, the Adapt GTO ones, GC HD (they have 4x80 in 270mm!) and even PB Level 2. I feel that these just wouldn't happen if not for the whole "powerblading" phase and aggressive skaters trying to tweak the experience of riding big wheels more to their liking.

@CityBlades

4 жыл бұрын

@@kamilciura7953 very good info, thank you for teaching me :) FWIW I haven't skated aggressive in... years probably, and am currently on a rockered-to-shit 243 frame that I'm very thankful is as short as it is... but I do remember being frustrated when I was first learning how to ACTUALLY skate that frames were so short. I guess the lesson is... it's important to have options & know your audience :)

@pit9623

2 жыл бұрын

@@kamilciura7953 why not? 3x100 is a great setup with the 255 frame

@pit9623

23 күн бұрын

@@kamilciura7953 The 3x variants are a very good choice for the Endless rails. I would much rather prefer other rails for the 4x80 4x90 or 4x100 variants

Would it fits 5x76s?

@CityBlades

4 жыл бұрын

nah unfortunately not

But there is still 1 question unanswered. What is the exact product name. These days there are tons of frames on their website. Anyone knows ?

@CityBlades

3 ай бұрын

www.endlessblading.com/products/endless-80-frame

@a.m.3118

3 ай бұрын

@@CityBlades thx!!

Saying you wont notice an extra 2mm in height but that the

@CityBlades

4 жыл бұрын

Alexander Cook ride height and rocker are very different things. You can add 20mm ride height and still skate-good luck doing the same with 20mm rocker, lol And I wouldn’t trip about the extra nubs for the 3 wheel option. It’s like a couple grams, lol Also also they make much longer 3 wheel frames for speed/marathon skates. Not my preference, but some people like them

@jaka.kragelj

4 жыл бұрын

I like three-wheel frames that are around 300mm. I have them on my speed skates and now on my FRs too thanks to Endless Blading Co.

saying 4x80 is pointless when we know they fit 4x84.

@CityBlades

4 жыл бұрын

Tim Taylor y u so angry, tool man? 😂 real talk though some people have wheels they like that don’t come in 84 but still want a longer frame for other reasons

@timtaylor9590

4 жыл бұрын

@@CityBlades why would u think im angry old rusty tool man? real talk tho when we talk about frames max wheel size is the only thing we need. i have 4x90 frames should i also call them 4x60 4x70 4x80 too, nah but you can man.