Democracy depends on open debate of ALL available information, censorship is closing down debate and opens up to tyranny.

@cencent2189

11 ай бұрын

Hate speech like how it is common on Twitter doesn't promote debate. Democracy depends on communication and Twitter has never been about that :/

@caqnt_tho6853

9 ай бұрын

​@@cencent2189yet hate speech is subjective, who decided what hate speech is? Some people believe hate speech is calling others the wrong gender😂

Excellent interview. Thank God for Shellenberger.

@gostaoscarsson7044

11 ай бұрын

To me it is extremely disturbing that this fundamental interview has not reached more than 25.000 persons. Is there somebody regulating the number of listeners?

@morganp7238

11 ай бұрын

@@gostaoscarsson7044 There is no reason to trust the view counts.

@djm5310

9 ай бұрын

California Jello Heads should have recalled Newsom and elected Shellenberger as Governor. And so the landslide continues in a beautiful state now being destroyed. I escaped years ago before the place went to hell.

Michael is someone who has his head screwed on correctly. Thanks.

Free speech. Speech should never be illegal, even hate speech. Speech. Speech. Speech. "Words are like bullets" except they are NOT BULLETS.

Shellenberger is one of the few journalists that I trust.

Yes, every fiber of my being agrees: Thank God for Michael Shellenberger. Stay strong Michael!

Fantastic interview. I only discovered this guy on KZread a couple of hours ago and I am cheering on all of the videos he's featured in. Bravo Michael Shellenberger. 👏👏👏

Shellenberger is one of the smartest, most honest, and SANEST journalist currently working in media. The fact that MSNBC and CNN don't have him on their networks whenever possible says everything one needs to know about the motives and integrity of those who work there. It's also why I no longer watch either one... ever.

@EY_YES

11 ай бұрын

🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣😏🐈💨🐎💨

@dublintvcontent2023

11 ай бұрын

No he is not. Just not nearly as bad as most and has SOME excellent points and observations. He is a very mixed bag. With SOME excellent insights. Fact checkers is a contradiction in terms. Utter rubbish.

- "Is free speech under threat?" - When was it not?

Shellenberger is amazing, is unbelievable how many ppl is treating this as if not important to talk let alone to fix anymore

@kevincollins7300

5 ай бұрын

How were companies being threatened?

If free speech works out in the USA and the UK, maybe we should try it out in Canada.

@silentmajority8365

11 ай бұрын

The common thread are those that favor the gender issue They are the ones pushing open borders and national identity removed

@somethingelse9535

11 ай бұрын

They should trial it in Australia too.

Another superb interview by one of the best in the game, today, Steven Edginton. Keep it up Steven!!

Steven. Please keep up driving these points home to the mainstream and BRAVO to The Telegraph for having the guts to allow people like Michael and Steven to have open, honest discussions.

@KarasMP

11 ай бұрын

Discussion is the main point! Any topic any opinion.

@AG-ig8uf

11 ай бұрын

Yet Twitters OWN data shows that since Musks takeover their compliance with government censorship requests went from 50% to almost 100%, including requests from foreign dictatorial governments.

Excellent discussion of the issue. It's huge, and we need a lot of conversations like these.

'1984 ' is the warning we ignore at our peril . Orwell saw it coming .

@dhruvrathod7838

11 ай бұрын

⁰0

@c.h2750

11 ай бұрын

So did Enoch Powell

@narkelnaru2710

11 ай бұрын

And what did Orwell do about it ? Did he write a book to warn us about it ? 😃

Gaining new respect for Telegraph. Not just because it's aligning with my own view because it's challenging my own views.

First Amendment yes please!

I don't get it, journalists and media organisations are obliged to look into the validity of news sources, they've always done this, without doing this their brands are worthless.

@TheHerrUlf

11 ай бұрын

Perhaps, but they don't do it now

@dbcoco

11 ай бұрын

that’s because journalists and government-censored media basically act as vehicles of propaganda, instead of conducting actual journalism

@meisievannancy

11 ай бұрын

They have been worthless for a long time. The West has had an ideological drive since after WWII it appears.

@silentmajority8365

11 ай бұрын

Today media run by an elite group of leftists that have an agenda of diversity at any cost by merging cultures and removing conventional relationships Covid was caused by lack of secure borders which is a national security issue because disease could be used as a weapon So they idea is we accept anybody any time even if it increases disease crime terror and social instability The gender issue only applies to a tiny Minority yet its being forced onto the majority

Try having an honest discussion about the climate.

@foxtrotjulietbravo5536

11 ай бұрын

Climate? Yes, it changes. No, there's absolutely NOTHING we can do to alter that in any way. My younger relatives know my stance on this topic. If they want to take a chance and bring it up it's just to check and see if I "have come to my senses" they are welcomed.

'Disinformation' - TRUTH

@geordiewood8768

11 ай бұрын

Freedom is slavery

@josephd53

11 ай бұрын

Let's just get it over and done with and found the ministry of Truth, Love, Peace and Plenty already

This is a problem that must be tackled, not ignored, AI can generate all sorts of content that seems real that just isn't, we can't have people emotionally reacting to lies.

@toby9999

11 ай бұрын

People already spread misinformation that seems real, true, correct or whatever, even when it's not, yet here we have someone speaking out in support of it. I don't see how AI is any different. It will still fall on the individual to fact check.

@cnrspiller3549

11 ай бұрын

So? If our evidence becomes contaminated by ai, we will all become a hell of a lot more sceptical about the information we receive. The intelligent way for governments to go would be in the opposite direction to the one chosen; to allow all speech - mistaken, nefarious, speculative, unhinged, cutting edge ... the lot. That would entail trusting the population to sift through the bs for themselves. But the elites have such a low opinion of us bottom-feeding pond life that they think we cannot be trusted unless they tinker with our democracy. They see us as a baby playing with a loaded gun and like all good parents, they feel the need to remove the bullets. If they went the other way and trusted us to sniff out the bs for ourselves then we would turn increasingly to reliable sources, which would prove to be the best connected and best funded - eg the BBC, the government, major media outlets, the scientific journals, the museums etc. But all these institutions are telling us we are too stupid to be trusted with free information. We need protection. The inevitable result is a massive drop in trust amongst the great unwashed for our institutions and the paternalistic elites who run them. No wonder people latch onto crazy conspiracy theories - we are in the middle of an actual vast censorship conspiracy.

@manuell3505

11 ай бұрын

That's why public AI engines and systems should not be kept within the walls of a company. Open decentralized allows tracing back the source of everything.

@RobFisherUK

11 ай бұрын

Tackle it by helping people to be aware about what's possible, just as with other forms of deception. Not with state control, which generally makes things worse, in part by teaching people that they don't need to think for themselves because the government will protect them (it won't).

@cnrspiller3549

11 ай бұрын

@@RobFisherUK an infantalise society yearns for mummy and daddy

The people we should be trusting are continually letting us down.😞😤

@sprocket5526

11 ай бұрын

Dude. They always have. Now it just slightly more transparent what goes on. Power corrupts, and anyone why seeks political power are not to be trusted, period

@silentmajority8365

11 ай бұрын

@@sprocket5526 But now technology has given them more effective means for deception FYI (it always has been) argument is akin to the Johnny did it too defense

Looking forward to your conference Michael!

I love Steven Edgington and Michael Shellenberger ! They make Brexit and January 6 look good ! Fantastic !

He is sooo right about antisemitism and everything else!!

"I never voted for Trump" is the classic line from people who want to appear reasonable but in reality are admitting they were fooled by the establishments false narrative around Trump.

@yancowles

11 ай бұрын

Yeah, they hadn't quite figured out the staggering totality of how utterly, utterly unhinged he genuinely is which has finally now been thrown into sharp relief. “As president, I could have declassified, but now I can’t" - donald trump “Secret. This is secret information. Look, look at this. This was done by the military and given to me” - donald trump Ha ha, just amazing eh, he shouldn't have been in charge of a stapler let alone a country.

@HBK358

11 ай бұрын

@@yancowles unhinged derangement is real....

@benegmond6584

11 ай бұрын

@@yancowles that's funny. i literally love trumps humor, he is so charming.

The “horsey paste” meme on the left was surreal. None had a clue about the studies showing mechanisms of action by a drug used in an off-label manner. There was cause to investigate that use but because the drug was off patent and not profitable. It was falsely blamed for heart arrhythmia when it was actually Remdesivir that had a 6% arrhythmia occurrence rate. Early variants were susceptible to it but Delta wasn’t.

X Twitter is a good thing..more power to people like Elon Musk..

Great interview so why can a Telegraph journalist do a show like this when the Telegraph just prints propaganda. I used to subscribe but I could no longer hold my nose I’m afraid!

@barryjones3586

9 ай бұрын

Good question and I suspect that he still has to freelance here, there and everywhere to pay the bills.

Lost me at denial of increase of disinformation. In the last 10 years, social media has made disinformation spread more prevalent and effective.

@cnrspiller3549

11 ай бұрын

So?

@JSDudeca

11 ай бұрын

@@cnrspiller3549 He said he has not seen an increase in disinformation. This situations like Cambridge Analytical; which is just one formal disinformation campaign that got caught. Now expand Cambridge scenario to all the governmental, non-governmental organizations want to do the same. To ignore this is well ... Ignorant!

@silentmajority8365

11 ай бұрын

Thats what they are saying

Did he say the BBC would argue it isn't funded by the government, but it's funded by taxpayers? Can someone explain the difference between being "government funded" and "taxpayer funded?"

@barryjones3586

9 ай бұрын

🤣😂😅🤔 Well done Sir.

Disinformation or "lies" and the people who propagate them should be held accountable.

@edc1569

11 ай бұрын

how though, when any anonymous entity on the internet can seed this stuff

@s1nb4d59

11 ай бұрын

@@edc1569 Its possible to find the original content poster.

@kevinoneill2090

11 ай бұрын

Who decides what's disinformation and what isn't ?

@s1nb4d59

11 ай бұрын

@@kevinoneill2090 facts decide what disinformation is and what isnt,if some people chose to believe in lies or what they wish to hear,is not only their loss but everyone elses loss too.

@cyberft

11 ай бұрын

@@s1nb4d59 who decides which facts gets entered into the debate. What about on subjective matters? Your solution is unworkable.

Powerful!

Very interesting and useful. Thankyou :)

So good to see cooler heads emerging on the left.

@tractordamage5272

11 ай бұрын

Not every Left-winger has a twisted narcissist mindset, or Narcissist Personality Disorder. Hence the 'Woke Left' term (referring to the Narcissist elements of the Left) is used. There are still sane non-authoritarian Leftists, with Self-Awareness, who can be extracted from the 'Narcissist Fantasy World' of the heavily-censored Guardian, for example. But the 'Woke' are Narcissists or 'Flying Monkeys'. So the 'Delicate Supremacist Ego' (and messed up mindset) prevents them seeing 'Reality'...and acting on it.

Tell that to the people of india and turkey lmao

@foxtrotjulietbravo5536

11 ай бұрын

Was it operatives on behalf of the government of Turkey that blew up the Nordstream Pipeline? Or, was it India?

Telegraph so late to the party they got mistaken for the cleaners!

Nice see some honest liberals beginning to surface these days. Welcome to what many of us realized a very long time ago. Better late than never!

The BBC co-founded the Trusted News Initiative (TNI) which includes AP, Reuters, AFP and countless media networks. Please investigate the reach of the TNI.

Furthermore, I consider that the democrat party must be destroyed.

if there is money in the game government and corporations, will always try to make people buy their truth.

Let's hear it for Fr** Sp@!ch

Ironic, how the Telegraph is covering this given their left wing bias with regards to the Republican party.

@TheDonMan97

11 ай бұрын

Same can be said about Guardian, Independent and so many left-leaning media outlets

And my woke friends tell me the Twitter Files are a "nothing burger."

Gpt4 and LLM will be great fact checkers if we can get ride of woke guard rail!

He appointed the WEF to run it.

Weird. I can remember when "Disfavored Views" was called lying. Lets ask Fox news how promoting disfavored views works out.

I don't think it is.

Those shrill ad voices..

that is another way to suppot untrue, not important, suggesting lies information.That journalist suggest to remove people checking if the info is true ! Telegraph is welcoming his long speach! Maybe they should ask Tucker Carlson to talk?

Will we know when AI has taken over, or started, moderation of places such as this? Or will it just happen in the dead of night? Ubiquitous before we're aware of it.

I think the interview does not raise an important question here that's actually a lot more subtle. What if give voice to minority/fringe opinions that take up unproportional amount of discourse and gets labeled as the majority view?

@thomasaquinas157

11 ай бұрын

That's why the United States is a constitutional republic, not a democracy. Moreover, it's up to citizens to follow the truth, not majority opinion. Ceding the responsibility to seek the truth to the government invites tyranny.

my twitter account suspended because of spreading about persecution in Indonesia.....

Crust one to like😂

And the Telegraph just lost me as a viewer. Forever. Censorship Industrial Complex? How about real news?

Absolute rubbish..... The twitter files? Really?

Does even Soros know some Hebrew? I mean even a slave has some rights in The Torah, right? Does Soros respect those rights for every human being?

USSR…US dissenters to the Gulag!

Dont mention Musks Chinese business interests.

It gets hard to justify the future , disinformation is known to make people feel better much like fasting does

Sawdix

Really appreciate TT for airing this, so there can be an informed debate on Mr Shellenberger's hilarious conspiracy drivel.

Succeeding???? Is that satire???? What a joke musk taking over twitter (or "x") has to be one of the most disastrous unsuccessful business moves of all time

Shellenberger does not like RFK Jr's views on Vaccines and Nuclear Power, but where his evidence refuting the facts cited by RFK Jr? Hint: He has none because there is none.

GOD BLESS MOTHER RUSSIA!!!!

@colinmcmb

11 ай бұрын

Russia's okay, but Putin and his mafia are arseholes.

Michael is a good anti ecologism scholar.

Hot hot garbage. Throw any more of this my way and I’m gonzo

Musk is going to save the world, yet again

@bifrostbeberast3246

11 ай бұрын

Right, Musk and Beijing will create a better world. No more bad thoughts, as thoughts will be policed. YAY!

What is this guy smoking

Elon Musk is not interested in truth or free speech. However, having at least one major platform on the republican side is probably a very good thing. Will help keep the other platform under control.

@Vincent-ri5cr

11 ай бұрын

true

@mike4480

11 ай бұрын

..Tucker (🇷🇺) Will be known as the Mildred Gilliars in the History books and Elon ( Producer ) his enabler …

@os3984

11 ай бұрын

What is your proof of that? "It feels like it" is not a proof. In case of India and Turkey, a company can't go against a goverment. Just like a company can't go against the EU. If they could, we'd live in a corporate rule.

@foxtrotjulietbravo5536

11 ай бұрын

@@os3984 - We're pretty much being ruled by an oligarchy in the U.S.

@meisievannancy

11 ай бұрын

Twitter was threatened with shut down in India, Nigeria and Turkey when Jack Dorsey was in Twitter. Seems like Turkey still at it. India is livid and said they don't do that. Nigeria, well known for some of the most corrupt in Africa.

It sure is succeeding. Twitter has never been so toxic.

@TheHerrUlf

11 ай бұрын

Good

@Crabfather

11 ай бұрын

@@TheHerrUlf Good that it's toxic?

@Crabfather

11 ай бұрын

@@AFunnyUsername well.. That's true, yeah.

@thomasaquinas157

11 ай бұрын

Welcome to free speech.

@Crabfather

11 ай бұрын

@@thomasaquinas157 free speech or hypocrisy lol

Lolol sooo funny....this is parody, right?

@Supremelilbear

11 ай бұрын

This guy is comically incorrect. Easily disproven.

@Yuki-bk2my

11 ай бұрын

​@@Supremelilbearso disprove it

@AlexB-pp7dc

11 ай бұрын

@@Supremelilbearno he’s pretty much on point and has been for years.

@jforman4406

11 ай бұрын

CogDis much?

"there is no evidence whatosever of russian disinformation" lmfao turned off the interview after that. what a clown

@thomasaquinas157

11 ай бұрын

Got Russian disinformation?

shill en Berger😅😅😅🤑

🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣💯two professional liars💯🤑💯🤑💯🤑💯🤑

Pre-bunk. Love it.

The telegraph used to be a good honest news outlet now it's a joke. Beyond words. The bs they write everyday is a sickness.

@alig2472

11 ай бұрын

Should be called the MAGAgraph

@99dynasty

11 ай бұрын

Is it? I try to see the issue holistically, this is a real issue no matter what political orientation one has

@AlexB-pp7dc

11 ай бұрын

How? Because they aren’t for censorship. Ok commie

"NATO is mostly a good thing '😂 Bonkers and delusional from a guy otherwise mostly talking a lot of sense. The elite snobbery he speaks of includes himself. But he is not as bad as most.

June9th2023:SeeColignyTesla

@bishopsmoke

11 ай бұрын

June9th2020Yes

elon musk is cringe

@joythought

11 ай бұрын

Sure. The guy who is vastly dropping the cost to space, enabling schools and hospitals in northern Canada or southern Peru to finally have fast internet, and has forced the world's car makers to go electric decades ahead of what they wanted... Yes, he is so cringe.

@BlueBockser

11 ай бұрын

@@joythought That's interesting, how much has he dropped the cost to space? Last I heard his plans were unrealistic and constantly delayed. Not to mention the launch platform in Boca Chica being literally blown apart and peppering the protected wildlife around it with shrapnel as well as the rocket exploding mid-flight after even the emergency self-destruction failed to work. But I guess the world's only expert on electric vehicles, space flight, AI, cave rescue and vacuum tube trains can't be wrong.

@whatisahandle_69

11 ай бұрын

​@@joythought filling our gravitational field with satellites that will most likely become junk that makes leaving the planet even more difficult is not going to lower the cost of space.

@THEREALZENFORCE

11 ай бұрын

@@joythought The guy who promises full level 5 FSD since 2017 (2017 we can do it now), promised Hyperloop for the last 10 years, promised manned flights to Mars for 2018, promised bullet proof Cybertrucks, promised one million robotaxis on the streets for 2020 that cost 30000 USD and make 30000 USD a year (a literally money printing machine), promised battery passenger planes, promised solar powered passenger planes, promised multi level tunnels with cars on autonomous platforms (CGI video deleted on Boring company channel after the joke that Las Vegas Loop in reality is), promised the quickest car (Roadster) on the planet (McMurty car, Rimac Nevera, Spark Owl already do better than Roadster theoritcal 1.9 sec 0-60mph), promised Dogecoin would be a thing, originally promised a 30000 USD Model 3 and like a felt 20 or more promises not held). Elon The King of Vaporware salesmen.

@THEREALZENFORCE

11 ай бұрын

@@joythought "enabling schools and hospitals in northern Canada or southern Peru to finally have fast internet" SpaceX Starlink satellites do not enable fast internet but very slow internet (150Mbps) compared to optic internet of Europe and Asia (1gb to 10gb/sec so 6 times to 60 times faster than Starlink internet). And starlink is a copy of long existing SES ASTRA internet satellites.

I LIKE VERY MUCH VIDEO WE WERE NEVER TO THE MOON WHEN APOLLO 1 WAS LANDING BY CRANE IN THE STUDIO NEVADA DESERT FILMED BY KUBRIK BECAUSE OF THAT NO DUST WAS ON THEW SO CALLED MOON WHEN APOLLO 11 LANDED THERE WERE NO STARS VISIBLE ON MOON AND FLAG WAS WAWING IN THE WIND FROM VENTILATORS AN NOBODY SINCE THAT TIME LANDED ON THE MOON AND BEING ALLIVE,.