Zhu Yuan offers better value as you can use her with Nicole = more time of Nicole being onscreen.

@DefinitelyNotAFerret

6 күн бұрын

But then you can only play with one hand

@iDGameTournament

5 күн бұрын

Exactly my thought process lol

@lemonzest8650

Күн бұрын

@@DefinitelyNotAFerret git gud

@blueveil3277

9 сағат бұрын

That decreased her value for me.

im simply gonna wait until i get my character off of standard banner, if i get lycaon i'll try and get ellen, if i dont i will wait untill near the end of zhu yuan's banner to see whats coming and if i wanna pull her or not, not gonna reroll though.

@nobodynose6722

4 күн бұрын

My thoughts exactly

@HiHi-pl3hc

Күн бұрын

fr

@user-hw1uz1ly4j

5 сағат бұрын

Reroll is hell not worth it. I just finished getting Ellen and lycaon and it took me 3 days. 16 account with 3 server each. Got it on Europe server.

@Alfonsopro14

10 минут бұрын

Honestly I have 14 hours now, and reroll seems like super boring, I lost 50/50😢.

thank you for the vid!

Going for Ellen personally and hey if I get her W-Engine that can go right on Miyabi too

This the video I need . Ellen hype video got me more interest in her . But I wanna use Nicole on teams

I think I might go with Ellen since I’m also planning on getting Lycaon AKA wolf Sanji to have synergy and ice attacks are heck op from what I’ve seen so far

11:33 "The second banner tends to be good" .... ? In HSR we had Jing Yuan, who wasn't even god at release and in Genshin we had Klee, who was also power-creeped pretty fast In the end it's a hoyo game and it won'T have that high of a ceiling. Just pull the chars you like (aesthetics, gameplay,...)

@RavenUwU605

2 күн бұрын

Meanwhile in Honkai:

6:23 Jing Yuan value was increased only once - with Sparkle release, but instantly got powercrept by Acheron in next patch.

7:20 the Nike shade is craaaaaazy. checks over stripes! Great video though, very informative.

Pog new vid

It kinda really depends on who my first 5 star is. I want Miyabi, plain and simple. But I wouldn't be surprised if shes around 1.5 or further, maybe into 2.0. So if I get Lycano then I may push for Ellen but if not I'll go for Zhu Yen.

@akialter

6 күн бұрын

Same boat here. I just the most minimal pull to clear content and would save for her

@NARUTOnemesis

3 күн бұрын

Might have to reassess this. They kinda nerfed Zhu Yuan's weapon and it sort of changes things. Changed Ether damage to crit rate which I believe is a bad move since we have a lot of sources to get crit but limited sources to get Ether damage which is her primary damage source. It could be fine but we'll see.

how about weapon? if i may ask

I was planning to get Zhu Yuan then save for Miyabi… until I saw the guy in Section 6 and the cat guy(?) in Zhu Yuan’s squad (I forgot the name). Thank god the devs are catering to husbando enjoyers a little too 😭

W vid as always

Wild I was just curious about Ellen vs ZhuYuan about a few minutes ago. It's like you read my mind 😅 Anyway I'm most likely skipping both banners knowing how Hoyo loves powercreeping their launch limiteds right away. I'll wait for Miyabi, and/or another Raiden expy? XD

@ciencerec

6 күн бұрын

SAME

@itriyum

6 күн бұрын

Genshin first banners didn't get powercreep tho, at least not Venti, only Klee, the we got Zhongli which is still the best at what he does

@rjuwuxd3012

6 күн бұрын

​@@itriyum fair enough. Venti took a while before getting powercrept but man is he really a good character even when I quit around inazuma and when kazuha came. But yeah. I might wait for Miyabi or if any 1.1 or 1.2 characters pique my interest :)

@DefinitelyNotAFerret

6 күн бұрын

The way I SCREAMED how fast Kafka powercrept Jing Yuan

@Ixs4i

3 күн бұрын

@@rjuwuxd3012 venti technically isnt even powercreeped in the traditional sense, he still is the absolute best grouper in the game, they just made abyss immune to his grouping/not necessary lol.

Wasn’t Miyabi a A Rank character the last time she was playable?

I thought Soukaku was given for free in game for one of the game modes?

@xj975

15 сағат бұрын

She is

How important are 5 star signature W-Engines in this game?

@joemamma2326

Күн бұрын

Very, they are very similar to honking impact 3rd weapons, which can make or break a character

@DanielSantos-ym8vd

Күн бұрын

Not really this game is very easy and has a lot of skill potential as a player. You get enough power from f2p engines.

@utofully

Күн бұрын

@@DanielSantos-ym8vdthe free engines for Ellen are pretty cope tho

@cokefloat18

Күн бұрын

For ellen, 14% up in dmg compared to her best 4* wep

@insaecticides

16 сағат бұрын

​@@cokefloat18 that's not high at all

Is Zhu Yuan with Nicole and Grace a good team? I like Ellen's design but i'll pull her in her rerun.

@otaku-chan4888

6 күн бұрын

It'll be an all-ranged unit type of team. It's an okay setup, but having a melee unit for dodges is really helpful. Also Zhu Yuan needs stun and neither Nicole nor Grace do that. So... I'd probably put Grace and Zhu Yuan in different teams

11:30 Seele and Venti were both first banners while klee and jing yuan were on the other half, i dont think theres a trend here

@Freakattaker

4 күн бұрын

HSR is an observable trend. Venti being broken and invalidating 99% of the game before they added more heavy enemies and Klee being mid was the dev team flipping a coin for balance in the same vein that Albedo has split scaling while Bennett, Xiangling, XQ, etc. released on launch.

@danusorn8655

2 күн бұрын

Genshin’s first limited banner literallly being an archon 😭

Imma resist pulling even tho i have lycaon and go for team that synergizes with lucy i think when more of her group are released

i just witnessed Miyabi's cutscene in the hollow zero and i know who i'm saving for now instead

@ratspew932

Күн бұрын

wait miyabi is a 5*?? awesome, saving for her now.

(Didnt watch the video just wanted to comment my opinion so if he said any of this mb) As of right now Ellen is the better character to pull for since her team ranges more with one of her best team comps already being in game. Although Zhu still solos by herself but not at ehr best potential since Nicole is really the only GOOD character paired with her that could do her good, so yes rn Ellen is better but later on Zhu will be better than Ellen. But this is what I would do: pull on the discounted banner I think its discounted and see if you get Lycaon, if you do I would pull for Ellen since your pretty much set with just them 2 even better fi you get the blue A rank girl. If you dont I would personally wait and see the next upcoming characters is after Zhu Yuan and if you like them skip both banners if you dont like them pull for Zhu Yuan or skip the banners and save up. Ima go for Zhu Yuan though because I like Nicole

Imo Zhu Yuan has a higher F2P value, as was mentioned Nicole is her best support...that also means you can put in Anby as a Stun character. Literally you only need to pull for Zhu Yuan, that's it. If anything it also opens up her W-Engine as an option if you really wanna invest. Ellen can get the Crit value from Frostbite but Nicole gives enemies the Def% debuff which might overall be better

i’ve lost the 50/50 in ellen’s banner with soldier 11, i’ve lycaon and koleda who should i pull😭

@muricuri

3 сағат бұрын

Well, if you have Soldier and Koleda, you can add Ben to make a solid team and save your rolls for future

both between Zhu Yuan and Ellen was worth 😊

My only question is where did miyabi go 😢

@zawiyar8790

6 күн бұрын

She is probably gonna release in later patches just like ayaka who was also in the beta for genshin but disappeared till inazuma.

@mio9728

6 күн бұрын

​@@zawiyar8790i think its more like kafka/blade

@supernieva2419

5 күн бұрын

I think 2.0 if she's a raiden equivalent of zzz.

@darko6115

Күн бұрын

@@supernieva2419she isn’t lmao

I'm pulling for Zhu Yuan because of PEW PEW PEW

The game also only has 3 character on a banner. This makes saving pulls even more important since it seems like we are going to get less character and less pulls than compared to a game like HSR.

I got Grace instead of Lycaon, so what’s your opinion on replacing him with Anby for your example Ellen team? Also, what’s the most efficient rotation for generating and spending Ellen’s stacks?

You clearly need to pull for whichever character you want, heck you can pull for both if you want. I'm actually going to skip both, but I would recommend you to go for Zhu Yuan, alongside Nicole (and 2 Bangboos) shes the only Ether Character so far, and there are no Ether S-Rank Character from the Permanent Banner

@dexter_548

20 сағат бұрын

Me also skipping both early games are easy with A ranks and free s rank and we all no they will get power crept

I just want the pink haired lady from Miyabis faction 😭

I love zhu yuan design, but ellen joe is my type 👍

Skipped for miyabi and cow girl

The answer is Grace

If f2p just play your free 5star and enjoy the game. Summon limited on 1.2 or 1.3 cause powercreep is real.

why can’t my character banner luck be as good as my bangboo luck

why does onga bonga remind me of aku aku from crash bandicoot

idc, I pick my fav and she's Ellen

@Kunoy.

6 күн бұрын

same

@Nixonau

5 күн бұрын

REAL🗣️🗣️

@bryanreyes6851

5 күн бұрын

Same!!!

@moonscorn8141

4 күн бұрын

then why are you in this video's comments lmao

@bepo1702

4 күн бұрын

@@moonscorn8141 yeah it's a bit weird how people do that. Why watch a video like this if you already know who you're pulling for, especially after claiming to not care about who offers more value, which is the entire point of the video 💀

Zhu yuan all the way! because i love characters with tactical suits. Like my all time fave character Leon kennedy and Big Boss Snake.

It’s wild that folks think Seele is shit now. Having played HSR without Seele and recently having played WuWa Jiyan that initial curve is so smooth when you have the 5-Star from the start. They get their reruns the fastest so your account actually keeps getting stronger with additional investment minus farming all over again for a new unit. Seele is still one of the DPS units if not the best and still clears content comfortably when built right. Zhu Yuan is hot af but if I’m looking to push vertically Ellen is the much better bet

@sarettodn5708

6 күн бұрын

Tbf low invest seele in pretty shit, i think mono quantum seele is probably bottom 3 dps, only better than blade and yj. But sustainless seele is still insane (especially with robin e1 and sparkle e2), but not many people play sustainless and most still think that vertical invest sucks which is why the majority of hsr players think that seele is bad now.

@SomaStory

6 күн бұрын

@@sarettodn5708 Mhmm. I don’t blame people for shelving seele and not choosing to invest dupes into her. Meta in HSR evolves fast and will always value building new archetypes (e.g., break, DoT) that cater to new gamemodes (PF & AS) over building older characters. Of course, that doesn’t mean they’re completely obsolete, but you will have a harder time clearing content.

@sarettodn5708

6 күн бұрын

@@SomaStory you wouldnt invest into seele dupes anyway as seele has the worst eidolons in the game, the actual way to vertical seele is to get e1 robin and e2 sparkle and then get robin and seele sig. Vertical invest is king in this game, once you have a bunch of eidolons and sigs you can bruteforce any moc/pf very easily, much more easily than using an on element dps. Vertical invest sucks in AS though (which is one of the reasons why the mode sucks), as that mode was literally made to shill horizontal invest, that is true. I dont blame people at all for prefering horizontal over vertical though, ultimately horizontal is more fun and will still get you max rewards, for the average player there is no reason to vertical invest.

@mleong75

6 күн бұрын

​​​@@sarettodn5708Thing is if I want to whale out a char, Acheron and FF exist. Both are much better than Seele, in terms of dps and versatility. You essentially get 2 rainbow units, that deal with single target and AoE content easily.

@abdurehmanmalik2980

4 күн бұрын

@@sarettodn5708 Jing Yuan is significantly better than Seele in MOC.

Skipping Ellen Joe, Miyabi + Lycaon = Vergil? Good enough for me

Zhu Yuan gang rise up

Both's hot

Both EZ SKIPS. All in for Miyabi 🦊

nah, saving for miyabi

If i get wolfboy from beginner bunner - i go for sharkgirl. If not - other girl. And no, sharkgirl can't be long term investment, when you later on get guaranteed wolf from 300 pulls. After 6 months all 1.0 characters will be powercrept to the ground, who cares.

in my opinion the trend for mihoyo's first characters are usually better than second ones even in the long run. i mean venti is definitely better than klee still and i think seele is still better than jingyuan

Ellen Joe because Zhu Yuan is a boring human cop and Ellen Joe is a shark maid with a big tail.

What comes to mind is how much venti fell off. It’s scares me to pull on Ellen but idk she might age well

Seconddd

Gee idk. The big tiddy shark goth maid girl or the other one. Gosh i just don’t know. If only there was something about one or the other that could tip the scales.

i just hope hoyo wont go the same path hsr does, i was really disappointed spending money on hsr since every patch, older 5 stars gets overshadowed and kind of useless to use.

@RavenUwU605

2 күн бұрын

It’s been over a year since Seele’s release and she can still comfortably clear MoC. Is she the best? Absolutely not, but she can still do end game comfortably

Shark > Human , easy pick

I mean its a Gatcha Game and Im a Day1 Genshin player with No login Miss and with all these years I have seen the pattern i.e. Deluc, Xiao, Hu tao, Ayaka, Alhaitham, Arlecchino, Neuvillette. So it better to get Ellen Joe Now and then when time comes... move onn to next because they will follow the trend above.

@idonotmakevidsyet

6 күн бұрын

And somehow you forgot the most broken ice character to support your point Ganyu. She powercrept everyone when she came out.

@Kittyclysm

6 күн бұрын

@@idonotmakevidsyet National was always better than Ganyu teams. The only time it wasn't was when they had leyline disorders catered to freeze and like slowing water to make Ganyu look better than she was. Taser performed worse, but still better than Ganyu, who had to move on to a cope melt team that absorbed two of the best characters in the game at the time. That's despite the addition of rosaria and diona to support freeze teams. And yet reverse melt rosaria was able to clear the hardest content in the game, so it didn't matter if you pulled Ganyu or not. She was never broken, and is a weak character except when hoyo forces her into meta. Venti was the one who carried Morgana teams and is honestly the best example of forced power creep because he only works when Hoyo permits him to. The difference is that he actually adds incredible value when he works, unlike Ganyu who was just baiting you to use better characters in teams they work worse in.

Ellen is basically Seele. She is great but need good relics to do anything and you will probably have better easier to use units very soon.

The answer is to wait and see for 1.1 characters... It's plain and simple.

@Evan-ru6ro

6 күн бұрын

no no no wait for 1.2 characters

@Marimo0010

5 күн бұрын

@@Evan-ru6ro and wait for 1.3 characters

@nicky4092

5 күн бұрын

​@@Marimo00101.4 it is

Both are waifus so I C6 R5 both ez answer

Shame there's no characters that's like : I want them, so for now I'll just get whoever and build them, and save up for someone I care about in the future. I know HoYo can do fun characters, it's just a matter of time.

@haziee3108

6 күн бұрын

It is always a magter of time. I'm not sure how it was for you, but early hoyogame banners have never been very interesting for me. Venti and klee for genshin, and seele and jing yuan for hsr. Subsequent banners brought out bangers though with zhongli and kafka. I'm sure this game will be the same with interesting characters introduced and hyped in the actual story.

That shark tail is disgusting

maid designed character cringes me, its already 2024 yet this maid outfits is still a thing?