Elite Dangerous NEWS: More Type 8 Details, Unlocking the Corvette & More
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There’s an excellent new guide showing how to make better use of mission boards. SCO Frameshift Drives and Enhanced AX modules are now available for sale on fleet carriers. And do Arthur’s words mean the type 8 is being built for open combat? o7 CMDRs
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First combat freighter? Keelback is crying in the background.
@TheBuurPit
26 күн бұрын
If you Reeaaaaaally want to be pedantic about it then yes the Keely has a Fighter bay but ....honestly.... anyone using it as a viable combat capable freighter would very unusual. The Python for example is waaaay more capable.
@tiberiusdave252
26 күн бұрын
You know, the Keepback is one of those ships I have not bought yet. I may have to give it a try before the Type 8 comes along.
@tiberiusdave252
26 күн бұрын
lol! Keepback! Bit of a typo there.
@TheBuurPit
26 күн бұрын
@@tiberiusdave252 accurate
@captainwinters6909
26 күн бұрын
@@TheBuurPityeaaah I was going the combat freighter/mini carrier route and I couldn’t wait to get past the Keelback. Definitely a fighter kills the target before you can spin around kind of deal. I met my ship love with the MKII. At that point you do trading missions as bait!
I love it when a ship has bits that move with the landing gear, like the Chieftain’s engines rotating.
@Garryck-1
25 күн бұрын
And the DBX's engines!
No sir, you are not looking at the first combat freighter. The Imperial Clipper and Cutter have been in the game for many years.
@thirstyviaduct
26 күн бұрын
Naaaahhhh that's not basking
@Majima_Nowhere
26 күн бұрын
And the Vette, and the t10, and the Python, and the Cobra 4... "Multirole" in this game just means "Decent cargo space and lots of weapons."
@mmontagee
26 күн бұрын
Clipper, Cutter, T10, Python, Anaconda, Corvette, Krait MK2
@captainwinters6909
26 күн бұрын
@@Majima_Nowhere I love your comment!!! Haha holds cargo and does the pew pew!
@adamdiebold6412
26 күн бұрын
What about the t10...if thats not a combat freighter....😊
The Type 8 is basically the lovechild of the Millennium Falcon and an X-Wing
@TheEssus
26 күн бұрын
I'd say it rather looks more or less exactly like the U-Wings from Rouge One ;)
@thomasquwack9503
22 күн бұрын
@@TheEssusthe moldy crow. Both of you need to learn the name and look up the hull
@Strat0Patrick
7 күн бұрын
And I see in him miner from Eve Online
Im so excited for the T8. And im saying this as someone who pretty exclusive flies the Krait Mk2. It had everything I love: Cool looking engines. Low hanging cockpit thats basically under the ship, and PYLONS
@cmdrbravo2zero726
25 күн бұрын
I just can't wait for the T8 to drop and I am very similar to you I almost exclusively love to fly the Krait MK II.
I mine in a T10 4 Large Beam turrets. I can sit mining and collecting as ships pop around me. I was hid in the frozen cloud of an ice asteroid once. While a squadron of FDL, Vulture and Anaconda, were looking for me. Awesome situation.
Hoping this is going to be a decent mining alternative to the glorious Python
@MrRocksW
26 күн бұрын
Yeah the best medium miner should be an industrial themed LAKON ship IMO.
In my experience, Arf doesn't mix up his words, everything he says has weight and intent, so if he's saying something, he's saying something. In my opinion, him saying "No mic drop this month, but you should probably tune in next month" was clearly a mic drop worthy statement. I'm so excited for Elite, what an absolutely stunning game. 2024 is turning out to be a wonderful rebirth for Elite and I'm here for it. What a time to be a dedicated superfan. Amazing video Buurs as always! Much much love to you both.
@SpaceHero-Elite
26 күн бұрын
I remember when he said Odyssey would have on foot cqc.
@Ebalosus
26 күн бұрын
@@SpaceHero-Elitelol. Lmao even
@leodenverrex3819
25 күн бұрын
This gaming world has persisted over 40 yrs and for yet another 40 shall it reign! 🥂💥
@thomasquwack9503
22 күн бұрын
New CM
I seem to have randomly chosen a great time to get back into elite dangerous after 10 years of inactivity. Was just scrolling through my steam list when i decided to redownload it a week ago. Upgraded the fsd in my Viper mk 4 and made 200 million in about 10 hours worth of an exobiology trip. Now I'm off to work on outfitting an anaconda to do more exploration and exo work
Great video- it really is a very interesting time in Elite Dangerous. And I have to say I really like the look of the Type 8 and it does look like a fighter freighter. I really enjoy Dituris videos- they are great guides and it is really great how you share the fab work of other channels.
Nice, I operate a fairly extensive fleet carrier and will be happy to add the modern xenology modules and SCO drives to it! And if the Type 8 is a combat-capable hauler I will probably use it for hauling 2.0 Powerplay items, piracy, and evading rival pirates who want my ill-gotten cargo.
Thanks for this. Always love the fly-by footage you put in these videos!
I noticed the extended and retracted nacelles almost immediately, my first reaction when I saw them was like, "Huh, that's new, neat." lol
Thanks for the weekly news bulletin! I'm looking forward to the Type-8, it looks really cool! This is looking like a good year to be a Commander!
I hope this "moving parts" feature paves the way for an Imperial ship inspired by the FE2 Courier, or perhaps even revised Imperial Explorer, with a vaguely Starfleet-esque profile and Voyager-style articulated nacelles. On the topic of new ships, while im sure the next will be the Panther LX, I think we're long overdue some ships from First Encounters like the Saker and Osprey, (especially the Osprey-X, because every space game needs its resident X-Wing impersonator)
It's funny that the Corvette guide comes out about a month after I finally unlock mine.
Thank you for all the details I have missed in the FDEV Unlocked. Awesome news, keep up the great work and reporting. Have a great weekend Cmdr Buur and Cmdr Rheeney. o7 all.
“Combat fighter” - it looks like a box, industrial version of the Mamba. (After a few beers)
Honestly a combat freighter is a nice niche. I was thinking earlier what kind of ship ED was still missing, and I kept thinking of a Millenium Falcon style ship. Beefy, fast, can hold itself in a fight, but first and foremost a smuggler/blockade runner.
having weapons on such forward extend structure also allows for wider arc rotation thus better targeting capability
@TheBuurPit
26 күн бұрын
Really good point. Gotta be hasn't it, surely?
Interesting times ahead :)
Got here before the announcement on Discord. 🙂
Combat freighter… or excellent mining ship? Looks similar to EVE’s starter mining ship ;) Definitely a compatible role, and if it’s swifter than a Python, and roomier than a Krait, I have much use for it in my fleet.
Thanks for another illuminating video from the alliterative toast rack dodgers at the Buur Pit channel!
I feel like the original Python and the Krait mkII function well as combat freighters already, but they're just so competent in every career as it is.
I may be wrong, but the shape of the T8 reminds me a bit of the Mamba. :D
It’s kind of funny, I just started a trip from the bubble with my FC to basically circle the galaxy a few weeks ago but the type 8 looks amazing so I think I’m going to trek back sooner than I expected
I unlocked the corvette several years ago. I've never gained top rank with the feds or imperials though; I only ranked up high enough to get the two ships and that was it. The retracting nacelles on the Type-8 remind of me how, in Elite II, the one imperial ship with 3 engines would raise the two lower ones as it landed. It's nice to see the ships with more animated parts. I like the smaller freighter which rotates the side nacelles into a VTOL position, for example.
It taken me years to get a federal Corvette I first got Elite dangerous back in 2019 of December Christmas Day That's when I got Elite dangerous horizons Now I got Odyssey during December of 2023 Before van I upgraded to Elite dangerous horizons 4.0 that did give me a lot of credit boost enough to get me a fleet carrier It still taken me forever to get a SITH Federal Corvette 5-30-24 THAT'S WHEN I GOT IT FROM 2019 THROUGH THIS YEAR
My first thought when i saw it was a blockade runner for power play. Punch you way through any system defense to deliver the cargo
My carrier is almost always at the frontline, defo gonna stock it with the better AX weapons for any nearby CMDRs :D
i am in the process of hunting for the Federial corvette yes i noticed the tweet about the t8 engines and that i liked and looked very interesting cant wait to see more about the T8
@ChessArmyCommander
23 күн бұрын
I recently got my first Vette, it exceeded my expectations. Once you add a class 5 Guardian fsd booster, its the best all around ship for the bubble. I have it fitted out to do everything, with over 30ly jump range, and while you can't use outposts or other bases without a large pad, you don't notice it. Due to how there are thousands of starports/bases to work with.
Im reckoning the type at is going to be a bit of a beast, high hull, and forward speed two class 3 hard points. Two class 7 slots, but bad turning rate. Combat frieghter would mstch lakons mindset.
@andrewmiddleton3487
26 күн бұрын
honestly the Krait II and Krait Phantom both fit that description somewhat already, so it's definitely possible
@57thorns
26 күн бұрын
But I think a good self defense capable frighter fighter want rearward facing gun placements.
Engine nacelles move out when in flight ---> Means switching S-foils into attack position
Maybe they listened to everyone complain about the Clipper. SHOULD be a medium pad but wings just barely too big to fit. Retracting wing/engine pods would solve that problem & (hopefully) have the Clipper's cargo space..
"First combat freighter" The Keelback and Type 10 would like a word.
I was meh about the Python mk2 because I don't do combat but this has me very excited, I am planning to buy this when it comes out.
It's a good time to be a Commander!
Depending on the size and number of hardpoints I already had plans to make it a fighter. Being a cargo ship it's sure to have lots of internal space for making it capable of fighting, or if not lots of slots at least a few good large sized ones; I've always enjoyed being able to see my hardpoints firing and gimballing(Krait Mk2, Anaconda, Viper 3, Cobra 3 specifically)
The type 8 being a combat freighter was fairly obvious when they first showed it. The portrusions looked "weapon-y" and not very good for freighting. As an explorer/trader, it's pretty sad news, but I'm hoping it can house just enough variety of exploration gear to be viable! Edit: if it's basically a keelback with 1-2 extra optional slots, I'd be sold. Hoping for SLF capabilities here
I still hope to make an exploration build out of it. It’s just too cool.
Elite keeps getting interesting, but IRL grind from work keeps me pinned down.
The ship reminds me of the "U Wing" from Star wars rogue squadron...
A combat freighter will never have any chance against a dedicated combat ship. And it is the Imperial Clipper that should have had the retracting nacelles....
@christopherbutterfield8096
26 күн бұрын
and the imperial explorer..
@Ebalosus
26 күн бұрын
@@christopherbutterfield8096that would be tight if they added that to the game
The Type8 is looking more and more appealing . I cannot wait to get my hands on this ship to see how well it handles.
I finally unlocked the corvette about three months ago after seven years of game play lol, I just kept putting it off I had unlocked the Cutter back in 2017
If I had to guess, the Type 8 will have less cargo capacity than the original Python, but more firepower and perhaps a combat rated hull.
It all looks very optimistic and the new ships are very exciting. The Python Mk II is a beast of a ship and it's clear that EDO has a lot coming in the future. I do hope that there isn't too much focus on Open play though. I don't play MMOs, ever, and the experiences I have had in Open have been uniformly negative. If parts of the game become effectively locked away from me by only being accessible in Open mode, I will probably wander away from the game, which would be a shame. Games are played for enjoyment and escapism, and when you sit down in front of your computer wondering what to load up today, you're going to load up what is enjoyable and rewarding, and I have very large Steam and Epic libraries bursting with as yet unplayed games. I know I'm not the only CMDR who feels that way. I hope FDev are encouraging people towards Open without penalising people who are never going to go there.
@TheBuurPit
24 күн бұрын
Agreed. There's a balance to be found.
4:00 It seems interdictors will anyway demolish your washtub, unless this is a Cutter with 5k raw shield minimum (and 17k thermal + 19k kinetic)
The render showed 4 hardpoints firing. Maybe they will give us 2L and 2M hardpoints like the phantom or clipper(4 large seems unlikely, right?). With a good power distributor that would be deadly enough. I also hope they will give it 6 utility slots. That would allow for some great shield resistances.
The Keelback is still my fav early combat freighter.. old and not very ascetic but made me millions in the early game
3 things I look for in a Mining ship - good weapon placement, decent Power Distro and lots of optional internals.... This could be an interesting ship for that.
I did Federal Massacre missions. Once the Vette was unlocked, I could A rate everything.
Already have 2 corvettes... a very costly investment but love em to bits
Unlocked the Vette on main account- still need to get it and the Cutter for alt account. But my goodness! What a reveal on the T8- I mean the Kr8. 😏 So many good things happening for Eilte. With how much I LOVED the Pmk2 trailer - I am dying to see the Kr8 trailer!! o7 o7 o7 CMDRS!
The T8 has a more industrial look to me, so the hardpoint talk is making me think it may be the next best mining vessel.
I think we might have a new "mining" ship 👀 limpets and lasers are going to look so good coming in and out
All this new stuff for a "dead game mate" is wild, excited to see next months stream ;)
@That90sKid
26 күн бұрын
Me too, Remember when we went to Erevate and killed those guys going after new players? Fun times. Hopefully we can do that again and it mean something because its attached to mechanics built into the game. :)
@TheBuurPit
26 күн бұрын
Ikr! ;) o7
I'm gonna go out on a limb here, but I think the T8 will have LESS cargo space than the T7. My reasoning? Well, the P2 looks bigger than the P1, but has fewer internal spaces, apparently to accommodate the FSD SCO better and have more hard points (so I heard anyway). Also, look at the scale of the T8. Compare the size of the cockpit to that of the T7. It's practically the same, which would make the overall volume of space in the T8 less than the T7. The T8 engines are bigger, taking up more of that space too, regardless if they extend or retract. The 'arms' that will hold the weapons, wont be able to also take cargo space, so you're kinds left with very little in the way of cargo space in the rest of the hull. I'd go with this being a combat freighter fighter, but at the expense of overall cargo space. I think that will be its downside.
Fantastic Video. Had this video been released a few years ago. It would have been considered extremely controversial. How the times have changed.
@Ebalosus
26 күн бұрын
How so?
@That90sKid
26 күн бұрын
@@Ebalosus Anytime this was brought up In the past, There is a huge outrage from the community. And the people that came out in support of it were dragged through the dirt. People like Drew Wager, Yamiks, Dj Truthsayer even. Back then when influencers progressed and started playing outside their viewers comfort zones, Skill levels and game knowledge were vastly different in comparison. Due to the time it takes and insight for direction some of us know about. When we tried to relay this information much how Burr and Rheeney are doing now in preparation for upcoming content. Things got pretty harsh the last time. This time however, the forums and the people who were incredibly outspoken against are eerily quiet, the community has now had plenty of time to catch up and understand that direction. Plus its been 10 years. Im starting to think Fdev quietly did away with the Kickstarter rules and because of that. Certain individuals no longer have a deathgrip on the community and game development. Which is fantastic for everyone. I know you've been around a long time. I know you've seen some of these shifts within the community yourself. Ill say this, No Developer purposefully shoots themselves in the foot as many times as Fdev has. And it kinda bothers me when people say Fdev never listens to the community. When that's all they have done this entire time.
Freighters only need torpedos for effective defense so hopefully the two arms got two class 3s
I wish ships were more role specific, The type 8 looks like a nice freighter/mining ship, not a combat ship at all. Although ships like that need heavy duty and able to take a beating when attacked by pirates.
First, the Python Mark 2 now they unveil a Type 8, I could use it for mining or Exploration, maybe trade running
Hmm, I was for long time using concept of combat freighter, others were laughing but it had its point. And after my failed try to battle against Thargoids, which managed to get me on engineering (G5 drag drives, G4 recharge distro and G3 armored PP) my Krait is even more capable. And Midshards against human ships maybe are not most effective (I heard that mod chargers are better) but incredibly fune and easy to use. I wonder if T8 will be better, then I am changing ship. Although would be good if it would have thrusters, PP and distro class like Krait
maybe the type 8 will be good for mining if the forward hard points.
3:36 new Pirate ship perhaps?
@Sylusssss
26 күн бұрын
Actually looks like it will make a pretty decent one Hopefully it has the speed to bump stop
I spotted the adjusting engine nacelles right away. Looks like my next new ship is coming soon o7 Cmdr Arrok Trarr
I'm still hoping we see the panther clipper, to move large amounts from and to the carrier from station s
While a new non-combat ship is definitely appreciated, when will we start getting new small ships? Medium ships are cool and all, but given that every new ship added since the T10 has been a medium ship.
Not gonna lie, but if they offer the Type 8 up for sale like the Python Mk II, it seems likely that I'll pick it up as well.
Yet the black adder error when trying to sell anything to other cmdrs on their fleet carrier still exists
First combat freight? Looks directly at the T7 handling herself fairly decently in combat, if you know what you are doing and are crazy enough (fortunately I am crazy enough).
Hmmmmm🤔🤔🤔 did I mention in a previous video a comment about combat then? 😉😂
I've had no problems not getting interdicted in my T9 against NPC pirates so a combat cargo freighter isn't needed, but a medium size freighter between the T6 and the T7 would be useful so long as it can haul more than a Python.
@paulkeith9680
26 күн бұрын
It's funny how so many say it's can't be done in a T9. Yet me and you have both done it several times!
The perfect smuggling ship.
The type 8 looks too cool for it to be just a trader. I would find that weird. Hard points in the front like that wouldn't make sense if defense was the main idea. Even less sense with open play in mind.
I bet the type 8 is a sco version of the python mk 1 i bet it will be multirole.
Please let the Type 8 come with a fighter bay...
I think it's great that they are finally releasing a new ship, but it looks a bit TOO much like the Drake Vulture from Star Citizen in my opinion
@mrexists5400
26 күн бұрын
Not the first time, Star Citizen's Nomad is inspired by the Asp line
@Neo-vz8nh
26 күн бұрын
There are similarities but mostly is the double hulled design, which goes back far beyond SC.
@Lyynk
25 күн бұрын
@@Neo-vz8nh agreed as there are a bunch of ships in EVE with similar designs, was just making an observation is all
does it really matter if its sco enabled? any ship in the game can use SCO now
@TheBuurPit
10 күн бұрын
An SCO enabled ship is a completely different experience to SCO being used on a non enabled ship.
I wonder if you make it cold if it would be a good smuggling shop? Millenium Falcon anyone?
@ottolehikoinen6193
26 күн бұрын
Plenty ships for that, try fe Krait Phantom.
Anyone ever BSG launch from a station it's fun to do
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Frontier have for a short moment hold our attention saying they will launch new ships. But sadly many of us, who have been supporting them for years, can not spend more money to get this new vessels.I can undertsand the need for fresh cash to keep the game runing, but Im afraid this strategy wont last longer. If we can't put our virtual hands on a new ship soon (don't make us wait 3 months for it), Im afraid many will lose intertest again, take a break/pause (who knows how long?) and move on to another game as we did back in 2021. 3 months is to long for 2024, specially when you launched the Oddysey fiasco back in may 2021. We have been waiting for something, new and usefull since then, its been 3 years Frontier, 3 freaking years.
Will this replace my python as the BGS runner, could do omg.....
Ooooooooo I like engines which retract when landing, please please let me walk up the stairs and fade to black at door to enter cockpit
Ironically i might buy the Type 8 since it has WAY more utility than the python mk2 I honestly think frontier is about to see the mining/trading community throw money at their faces more than the python mk2
It won't make any sense for the type 8 to be able to carry more cargo that the type 7 given that it is physically smaller and half the ship's size is taken up by engines and forks lol
@Powerhauz
26 күн бұрын
Because we can't walk around the ship interior, They can make it hold whatever they want to. Python and T7 have 350T hulls and can carry 294T and 310T max cargo respectively. The Anaconda is a 400T hull that can carry 470T of cargo. It is literally made out of unicorium and unobtainium. The T8 will probably out carry a Clipper, but to beat out the Python would render the T7 obsolete immediately.
@jasonking5405
26 күн бұрын
This is my thoughts exactly. I'm willing to bet the T8 will have less cargo space than the T7 as it is smaller. That will be its downside to being SCO capable and have 'more weapons' (allegedly). Plus the actual design of the ship, while looks cool, isn't practical for large amounts of cargo. I think this is an armed, light cargo runner, for transporting those PowerPlay commodities.
@Powerhauz
26 күн бұрын
@@jasonking5405 Looking at the T7/Python loadouts, I'd guess the core internals won't exceed class 5 for PP/PD/FSD. Maybe a class 6 PP at max. 4-6 util slots. Cargo will probably land near 298 max, Class 3 shield would drop it to what I'm hoping is 290 "beating" a shielded Python albiet by 2T. I hope it gets the Beluga treatment of a bunch of medium HPs. Any thing else and you'll have to run an OC PP to have the power for it all. 300T hull probably? Gonna reference this later.
Unanounced new feature -- ship interior gameplay?
Freighter Fighter. We already have the Keelback for that. And lets not forget: The clipper, the courier, the cutter, Dropship, Python MK1and even the Krait MK2
Freighter fighter? You mean a pirate ship?
huh there is no reason to combat in trade ship. i just need more cargo than python
Wha
T-8 is a little bigger version of Star Citizen's (salvager) Drake Vulture. Nothing really outstanding, it's just copy paste.
Type Eight Freighter Type Eighter Tater Spud?
@ZuluRomeo
26 күн бұрын
You say Type Eighter and I say Potater
The only significant update in the 3 years since I bought the game is a new ship, there's a reason I abandoned this game
Better defense is wellcome, but it is not the first combat freighter. However I really hope this won't be paywalled, but I guess it will...
@TheBuurPit
26 күн бұрын
Pinned comment. Get in the queue :)
@Neo-vz8nh
26 күн бұрын
@@TheBuurPit I know that many mentioned it, but nonetheless it is still true. But it is not really matter. What matter is my second part of the comment :\
me playing on ps5 sad because we don’t have any more update :(
@ElvisKremmen
25 күн бұрын
You can always use GeForceNow to play Odyssey like many others on console do 😉
It would be nice to have a cargo ship with teeth. So tired of space "sims" thinking people want to fly loot piñatas.
After 700 hours I can confidently say there's absolutely nothing to do