No, you are not wrong & any reasonable adult knows that. Parents who complain about EVERYTHING do so to assuage their own guilt about doing NOTHING for or with their kids & not giving them lessons to model about the positive outcomes of being respectful & obedient. Just ONE single 20 minute loss of recess time would result in a week or longer of controlled behavior, self reflection & conscious risk/reward behavior. That has been my experience as a teacher in the lower grades. It also serves as a deterrent to others as most younger children are aware of & very influenced by the actions & behaviours of their peers above all other methods of correction. Parents who complain about such issues are trying to minimize their own feelings of guilt & inadequacy by attempting to have the schools provide the day to day lessons & entertainment that they themselves are not willing or able to provide. Parents who complain constantly are trying to "appear" as if they have their kids best interests at heart & to "prove" that they know more than the professionals. However, ALL teachers can clearly see that they are attempting to relegate the job of raising THEIR child so that they don't have to. It's all a load of crap that the administration tolerates & gives into to avoid the threat of ridiculous lawsuits that so many school districts are plagued with year after year.

@TeacherTherapy

10 ай бұрын

Thank you! 👏😊

@kris78787

10 ай бұрын

They really need to make a mandatory legal form parents have to sign before school starts each year: These are the expectations, and these are the consequences for breaking those expectations. If your child cannot behave properly or treat other students and teachers with kindness and respect then he/she will be expelled from school. No ifs, ans, or buts. Period. Then the parents can't sue because you gave their misbehaving child a consequence. It's all in the legal contract

@kcc879

10 ай бұрын

Parents in my area expect me and teachers and coaches to discipline their kids. They come in and ask us. It's not practical and the parents have no responsibility and most don't know what to do. It's a sad and an awful situation.

@joewestwood7505

10 ай бұрын

Wow! What a response! Beautifully articulated!

@Denise-zv4qm

10 ай бұрын

Excellent response

Kids need extrinsic consequences and rewards until they start to care about the intrinsic.

@TeacherTherapy

10 ай бұрын

Agreed! 💯

@kcc879

10 ай бұрын

agree! Kids live in the moment and don't have a concept of time like adults do and this is forgotten and overlooked by so many people.

@RoaringMind

10 ай бұрын

Well said 💯

@cacatr4495

6 ай бұрын

It's vital for children to know and understand why they're in school, what the goals are, what they are to accomplish and how it's done. They are there to learn the necessary skills and realities that will favor them for life, and those can only be learned through order and respect. They should know exactly what is needful and why aberrant behavior won't work. I have to wonder if they know why they're there, and it seems plain to see that they don't comprehend the basic precepts of what enables learning.

@mathieuvallerand6772

5 ай бұрын

Yes there is such a thing as a continuum of motivation for kids that goes from extrinsic to intrinsic.❤

Simply, I tell my first grade class, “if you clown around and don’t get your work done, that’s fine. You’ll just finish all those worksheets at recess!” I see their wheels turning as they turn in their work. It’s a great trade off 😊

Role of principal in this century: to keep the school off the local news.

@reneedennis2011

8 ай бұрын

Yup.

@BWynn-eb8qn

2 ай бұрын

Straight up facts! I’ve seen it with my own eyes.

When I was in elementary school this was a common punishment. As I recall, it was effective.

@brendasanchez5982

9 ай бұрын

Is this not a thing anymore? This was a common punishment when I was elementary school too.

@reneedennis2011

8 ай бұрын

​@@brendasanchez5982Same here when I was in elementary school. Kids who acted up in class weren't allowed to go to recess. They had to sit in the classroom.

@iyanascott340

6 ай бұрын

Yep. Especially since when I was in elementary as a gen z student.(I was born in 2002)

@cacatr4495

6 ай бұрын

@@reneedennis2011 With their head down on the desk, the entire recess.

@reneedennis2011

6 ай бұрын

@@cacatr4495 Yup.

What I hate about classroom rewards and school insistence that all be included is when 3-5 kids are always the ones screwing up the, for example, extra recess reward, the whole class loses it. Why should the 23+ students who were good be punished for the misbehaviors of the few.

@juliadawn33

10 ай бұрын

Exactly. I feel bad for teachers right now that are left to make these decisions with the protocol they are stuck with. I remember when my kids were in elementary school some teachers were just quite done. One teacher bought all of these fun games with her own money for the kids to enjoy at recess and lunch. Well the bad apples in the class trashed the games. Ripped the board games and broke a lot of the pieces and just chucked them around the room. She did not end up getting any more games and just looked kind of defeated :-( So the rest of the kids who actually behaved and took care of school property got to suffer. Ugh.

@Sunny10tv

10 ай бұрын

I completely get it. I was the only girl in my aviation class in all boys class the teacher a dude too in high school. There was a few students misbehaving me a straight A student (only girl in class) who always behaved in class. We were originally assigned a 2 page book report & because a few students misbehaved the teacher changed it to a 15 page book report. I was one of the few students who actually wrote a 15 page book report, did research on the subject. This coming from a student with a learning disability keep in mind & really trying in class & I had only done one other book report in elementary school that was a 2 page book report for another class... So to go from doing a 2 page book report in elementary school to 15 page book report in high school because the teacher was upset with a few students misbehaving is a little extreme... ✌️ I got punished right along with them for no reason... ✌️

@joewestwood7505

7 ай бұрын

Well said. It blows my mind how walking laps at recess is frowned upon. The student is outside getting exercise and is still held accountable. How can anyone debate that?

We live in a time where adults don’t even want to be held accountable or even criticized for the things they do that are wrong or dysfunctional and those same adults are raising the kids.

@reneedennis2011

8 ай бұрын

Exactly.

@cacatr4495

6 ай бұрын

Raising or disabling?

I teach and I also have a degree in criminal justice. It's better for kids to receive some discipline while they're still children. It's better than allowing them to grow up without expectations because then a correctional officer will discipline them as adults. Kids need rules, structure, clear expectations, and consequences.

@jellyprintpress

7 ай бұрын

I, too, have a CJ degree. But I teach music in a classical school. Fifth grade. It’s supposed to be a no-test/no-homework, fun class, but I still teach basic theory in order to prepare them for sixth grade junior high music class which is more rigorous. Theory days are serious days. They need both sides of the coin.

@cacatr4495

6 ай бұрын

When I and my peers were growing up, it was clearly understood by all adults in authority that children needed and thrived on structure, whether the children understood that or not.

My teacher took away my recess. I also missed the annual class hockey game. He made sure that I could see the other kids putting the hockey equipment away as I came back to class. Lesson learned. That said, I do understand that some kids need recess to burn off their energy.

@MusikGirl23

8 ай бұрын

In terms of burning off energy, I would like to see students walking/running laps of the field during recess instead of free play. Still discipline but helps with getting the energy out.

Yuparoni!!! The purpose of school is to learn. Children have all morning, all afternoon and evening, all of the weekend and all of the holidays to play as much as they like, but school should be about the business of learning. As I always tell my kindergartners, “We work first, then we play.“

@TeacherTherapy

10 ай бұрын

Well said! ❤️

I would challenge the no-consequence die-hards to spend a day teaching a classroom. It seems that these extreme views are ALWAYS from someone outside of the classroom. People get these crazy opinions based on reading something on the web and have ZERO first-hand experience in teaching. And that really can be a universal truth; no extreme opinions allowed unless you have first-hand, real-world experience with the topic.

@reneedennis2011

8 ай бұрын

Thank you! There are too many people out there with big mouths who don't know what they're talking about.

@Educate_Improve_BiblicalView

6 ай бұрын

Preach!!

@andyfisher6568

Ай бұрын

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We need to stop preparing the students for a world that doesn't exist. They live in this consequence free world where everyone is worried about the negative impacts of punishing them, and then we throw them into life where there are few if any second chances. It's small wonder so many develop huge psychological issues and develop anti-social behaviors. Now taking recess away for multiple days back to back for younger students might be a bit much; but one or two days is definitely reasonable. As a student they started the "everyone gets to participate" thing when I was in high school; it took a lot of the shine off working harder in honors classes because the reward meant less when the regular class students got it too. I think this was part of the transition to where underperformers went to "regular" class, and grade level kids went to "honors" while the high fliers went to whatever special program the school is doing. Which really just shifts the goal posts for the kids and makes it harder for the parents to understand when their student isnt doing well.

@cacatr4495

6 ай бұрын

They're preparing them to fail.

Great video! I totally agree with you. I was in 7th grade in 1983, and went to a Christian school,. When I talked out of turn in class one day, my teacher wrote my name on the board. When I did it again that same day, I got a checkmark by my name. That meant there would be a consequence. The consequence was that I had to spend the first part of my lunchbreak sweeping the breezeway where the snack bar was. That meant that everyone, including the 8th grade girls who didn't like me, saw me doing this "menial" labor. I was humiliated but I never questioned why I should have to do such a thing and I also stopped talking talking in class to prevent more such humiliation!

I say Yes! Kids need consequences! When I was an early childhood educator working with 4 and 5 year olds, it got to be where we weren't even allowed to tell them NO! Not even in dangerous situations. This went for 1 year olds through 3 year olds as well. Needless to say, I got out of the field shortly thereafter.

@kris78787

10 ай бұрын

We watched that video too, for a professional development. And raising your voice was also a huge no no. They said that could damage a child's psyche. oh no, the poor child has to be told "no" once in awhile with a stern voice! 😂

@tammyramey

10 ай бұрын

@@kris78787 It's just too much. Children need to be told no and have consequences. God forbid talking to a child in a stern voice! It was unheard of! However, when the administrators interacted with kids with behaviors, they would talk to them very sternly and even sent some home from time to time!

@AbhinavTheNewYorkVyonder2K4

8 ай бұрын

Mindfulness/meditation class it is.

@AbhinavTheNewYorkVyonder2K4

8 ай бұрын

Instead of dentition.

@cacatr4495

6 ай бұрын

When I was growing up, teachers and parents and administrators were stern and said no, whenever it was needed. Most of my peers were well behaved.

I remember a 5th grade student in a class that I often subbed for who lost recess frequently for disrupting class and ignoring rules. Instead of teaching him to behave, his parents went to his doctor and asked for a note saying that recess was essential for his health and his teacher was not allowed to take it away. I don't know if I was more shocked at the parents or the doctor. If they really cared about his wellbeing, they would have taught him self-control and consideration for others. Instead, I think they reinforced the idea that the world revolves around him and his short-term happiness.

@TeacherTherapy

10 ай бұрын

That exact scenario has happened to me multiple times! 😭😫

During a PD the administration started off asking if negative consequences really change behavior. My reply was yes they do. Possibly not in the kid getting it but it does serve as an example to others of what you will or will not tolerate. I might have a bad take on this but I do not view it as my job to save or educate every child. I am there to give the best education I can to the most children I can. If someone does not want to play ball with that and is taking up so many of my resources it is hurting the education of others than that person should be removed from the class or even the school if it continues to be a major issue. The right to that individual to get an education should not damage the rights of others to an education.

@reneedennis2011

8 ай бұрын

I agree 👍🏾! Thank you!

@cacatr4495

6 ай бұрын

It should constantly be underscored as to why they are in school, to learn, and that order and respect is how that learning is facilitated. Apparently, they (and many admins) don't know that or comprehend the effective methods that respect, peace and order provide.

Thankfully, I work at a school that will support my decision to keep a child in at recess. I don’t like to do it but I keep it as a last resort. What I do before I have to go to this extreme is if they break a rule twice in one morning, I keep them in at recess to “practice” following the rule while everyone else is out playing. It usually doesn’t take them too long to follow the direction the right way and then I say “Do you think you need more practice or do you think you have it down?” They always say that they don’t need more practice so they are just usually late to recess. This will work for some kids but not all. Lunch detention is my second biggest weapon next to calling home. The problem is if you call home and you don’t have parent support you’re having to be in what I called “survival mode”.

@TeacherTherapy

10 ай бұрын

Great ideas!!! 🤗

My principal told me the other day to to stop taking away recess because I’m the music teacher and the homeroom teachers have to make them sit out instead of me. This was my big form of punishment the year before and nobody complained then. She said that I could ask if I “needed help with classroom management.” She also said for teachers to contact parents about behavior before sending the kids to the office. This is my last year teaching.

Omgosh! I just had this discussion two weeks ago with a friend from music who said we are raising kids to be drunk drivers. Perfect analogy. I also agree with peer pressure. In Aussie slang we say they're going to bat for their mates, if you're into cricket. But these kids that go into bat for their mates are seeing that there are no consequences. This happened to me at my last school. It just took one kids to start to swing in and the rest came on board. To the mum's credit she did talk to her son about it and he did stop but even when I took their WHOLE lunch away, with no backup or support from admin, I still got serious push back and aggressive behaviour from students. The worse was one kid asking for a bullet for his head. But, the cherry on top came, when I asked the one student and his batting mates to come down to see my manager, the students actually accused me of not listening to them when they had a question so this justified their behaviour. I then had to have 'meetings' with my line manager about my classroom behaviour management. Not long after that I quit.

If the student is misbehaving & acting out then yes. With me when I was in elementary school in the 90's what frustrated me was having a teacher make me miss not only lunch & recess to sit in an empty classroom except for the teacher sitting at her desk & I was expected to "show" my work on paper for division problems when I clearly but politely told the same teacher several times over I didn't understand division & asked for help... The whole class of 30+ students who I had class with knew I wasn't understanding division & was frustrated literally to the point of tear's & broke down crying several times out of frustration... Keep in mind straight A student & kept to myself was very quite because I had a stuttering problem & the few times I did speak I got made fun of to the point I only spoke unless spoken too after a while because was tired of the nonsense/ being picked on for something I had zero control over... This teacher made me miss lunch & recess for a whole week when I did nothing wrong except not understanding division keep in mind at the time I never ate breakfast as a kid or if I did it was a rare occasion or at my cousin's or grandparents house so when I got home the only food I had in my system was dinner for that whole week. Not to mention the fact that the teacher made a sly remark that she thought I had lost some weight. At the time I was 12 & weighed between 90 & 95 pounds. After that week I dropped down to 85 pounds not by choice... A teacher refusing to let a student get lunch & have some food in there system is cruel all by itself let alone having them sit in an empty classroom looking out the window & seeing everyone else outside playing & enjoying there recess... Haunting memories I will NEVER forget as kid back then... 🤦‍♀️

@reneedennis2011

8 ай бұрын

I am so sorry 😞 that you were treated like that.

@Sunny10tv

8 ай бұрын

@reneedennis2011 It's all cool~ 🤷‍♀️ I don't have great memories of that elementary school for numerous reasons from 2nd to 5th grade just because of alot crap going on back then. The people in my grade were trying to make my life a living "heck" at the time. They were causing problems straight from the gecko when I moved there starting with 2nd grade. Flat out told me: We don't like new kids get out. Some of teachers were nice while other's seemed to have an axe to grind particularly with students who had learning disabilities. Just glad in soo many ways not in school anymore. Learned over the years to self teach myself from a kid to adult years. Certain teachers were amazed I knew certain things & tried to take credit & I stopped them in there tracks when they tried to take credit when I knew I learned stuff not taught in school but on my own. ✌️

Your channel needs to be played for all parents and school admins and teachers everywhere! Student behavior is out of control!

@reneedennis2011

8 ай бұрын

It sure it!

If they misbehave as an adult, they'll lose a hell of a lot more. Better they learn early than find out late. When I was on my prior school's PBIS committee, I spent about 70% of meetings pushing for harsher consequences and higher standards. The other 30% was informing one of our instructional coaches that all her ideas were unfeasible monstrosities. While we're at it, can we all take a moment to appreciate the absolute horror that has been wrought on student intelligence by Social Promotion? Truly the bane of modern education, and the ultimate expression of lacking consequences.

@TheBmaster25

10 ай бұрын

Thank you! I also teach at a PBIS school and even though my fellow teachers constantly try to persuade me to give bad kids PBIS points, I refuse to do it. I don’t believe in rewarding students for doing absolutely nothing. Also, I agree with you 100% about social promotion totally ruining the intelligence level of basically all kids who were born anytime after the year 2000. Social promotion lets them get away with no accountability and not being responsible for learning anything at all.

Just bring up a story from the past to help convince those that disagree. In 5th grade, at lunch, we usually had lunch aids, but our teacher had stayed that day. She called a student up and sent him out on an errand of some sort, about half a minute after she told us that no one was going to recess, because the student came to her crying before due to a comment someone had made. She didn't say what the comment was because it was making fun of the boy in a lewd manner, she asked multiple times who made fun if him and because no one spoke up the entire class was punished. Some people knew who did it, and it got around. For at least a week, that kid that made fun of the other was shunned from the group and people for a little while were extra nice to the other. We were kids and forgot about the incident quickly, but that stuck with me almost 2 decades later. Kids do things that are hurtful, selfish and make only themselves feel good because rarely often times they lack the understanding of why they need to care about others

@cacatr4495

6 ай бұрын

Why they need to care about others also used to be taught.

I would like to see a video about how the modern emphasis on constant collaboration and group work affects sensitive introverts in the classroom. Introverts might do better with old school style education of students sitting in rows doing independent work.

@TeacherTherapy

10 ай бұрын

That's a great idea! Thank you! 😊

@dawnturitto8442

8 ай бұрын

I agree. Students should learn how to work independently.

@cacatr4495

6 ай бұрын

@@TeacherTherapy When you cover that, you should carefully examine the long-term effects of doing group work, not just on the individual's ability to work alone, but how it affects group dynamics in applying peer pressure to conform to consensus. The BNW doesn't want independent thinkers, but conformity.

I work at an organization that follows the Linsin Books religiously. And found that levering recess & lunch works best. For example, I saw the quickest fix to lining up and walking urgently to recess when I told my students that we are doing thus so that we can spend the least amount of time getting there, making every extra minute count for time playing during recess and talking in lunch. Kids just do not want to line-up “properly” ever, and to my astonishment, convinced the select few who consistently were obstinate to move urgently, in fact too urgently 😅 that I had to tell them to slow down just a bit. The experience has shifted my focus on explaining the why behind routines geared more to how does it benefit the student than the teacher, and it ultimately helps the teacher.

@TeacherTherapy

10 ай бұрын

That's awesome!!! 🤗

@NiaLaLa_V

9 ай бұрын

Ironic that this is how slaves are trained.

@Lightbulb909

9 ай бұрын

@@NiaLaLa_V Can you elaborate?

think its fair for kids to loose recess for bad behavior/missing homework etc. though teaching younger kids can be more difficult sometimes than teaching older kids is my moms cousin Kathy taught 2nd grade for more than 40 yrs from the late 1970s to the late 2010s kids got steadily worse as time went on partly because classes got more crowded

@Imissyoulou

10 ай бұрын

Second grade for 40 years? WOW.

I’m so glad I found this channel! Thank you for addressing this issue in a thoughtful no BS articulate way. I’ve taught elementary in California for over 25 years and every single thing that you said rings true to me. What a disservice this “new thinking” is to kids. In California many of my teacher friends are quitting… 🤦🏾‍♂️.

So my son lost his recess for defending himself against his bully. This kid bullied my son relentlessly as well as others the whole year my son was at that school. So my son lost his recess when he pushed him back and got to watch from the window as his bully yet again received no punishment and got to play outside.They did not want to punish this boy because he had a rough home life. Well what about the kids he tortured? Finally at the end of the year they admitted this child was a problem after he kicked the girls in the class and kept trying to punch my son and throw insults at him. But my son didn't stick around for the apology. We had to move and he was in a different and better school by that point. So when using this as a punishment make sure that they are punishing the right kids I guess and asess the situation fully.

@TeacherTherapy

10 ай бұрын

I'm so sorry that happened to you! 💔💔💔

@juliadawn33

10 ай бұрын

@@TeacherTherapy Thank you. It was rough and unfortunately set the stage for the years to come in school. It took him a long time to trust teachers again and the principal and even fellow students. He did end up graduating though despite his experiences and we put him in karate which helped his self confidence and helped him learn self defense and when to use it. I also have another teen in high school right now and another that just graduated as well and their experiences have also been unreal. The teens especially get away with a lot. It's like the wild wild west and police can't do much of anything and neither can the school. It's chaos and confusion. My daughters school actually had 10,000 dollars in damages recently to repair in the bathroom. And that comes from their budget and takes away from other programs and funding. Our high scool and middle schools in the city I live in have also been in the news for severe bullying. I can not believe some of the stories I am told when they come home. And most schools are like that now where I am in Canada so it's not like it's a one off and we can pick and choose.

@juliadawn33

10 ай бұрын

@@TeacherTherapy It's so odd because if I went into someones home right now and destroyed their property or even in a business etc. I would likely be charged. Or if I assaulted someone I would likely be charged. But students do it in a high school and nothing happens? Except for maybe restorative justice or temporary suspension or something else that does nothing to teach them anything. It is the strangest and most infuriating thing I have seen. And students know they can do pretty much anything right now and nothing happens so it is just getting worse. Less and less people are picking teaching as a career due to this so now we have a shortage.

@TeacherTherapy

10 ай бұрын

I totally agree with you, and weirdly enough, this new system only benefits the bullies. For all this talk of "safe spaces," schools are some of the least safe spaces on earth! 😭

@munimathbypeterfelton6251

10 ай бұрын

@@TeacherTherapySchools are havens for bullies, adult and child alike. Now that I have permanently left teaching (effective July 2023) and shifted gears professionally, I will be bringing school bullying into the literary spotlight in the due course of time. Bullying serves as one of the most lethal pillars of the foundation of American education. It really unapologetically dictates the scholastic tone in this country and spreads like a disease among all parties involved from the top down. We’ll see what the Department of Education in the White House has to say when this book of mine gets published down the line.

I homeschool and my kids definitely loose out on something they enjoy if they fail to focus on their assignments. One son didn't get to go to his beloved sport on one occasion and nearly lost his position on the team because they had to rearrange the lineup in his absence. He focuses now. Now we did try public school for one year and one son's teacher was so disengaged (didn't really teach, just handed the kids worksheets and let them figure it out for themselves while he walked around strumming a guitar. I kid you not.) that the class was really chaotic All The Time. I volunteered in the class, so I saw it first-hand. As a result, the kids were teaching themselves, with my help, and they talked loudly and roamed the room seeking help from one another. He would punish the entire class by taking away recess for the behavior of few bullies who sought to harass their classmates who sought help. It was daily. This I disagreed with. I'm all about consequences-- I remember having them in school and believing them justified-- but this wasn't that. It became so ridiculous that I let the principal know what I witnessed on a regular basis and that teacher was let go the following year. Regarding the lack of a thing called recess in other countries, well in many cases it isn't needed because they conduct class outside regularly (even in the rainy UK) and have shorter school days.

@Ticklemypink

4 ай бұрын

If I don’t finish my homework I don’t get my ipad

When grades do not matter, the admin changes F into passing grades, and the district has made impossible to hold back a child we are enabling bad behavior.

As a Paraeducator, I witnessed sexual misconduct (touching and rubbing) with elementary school children on the playground, was appalled, and “professionally” and sternly addressed the behavior with the students right then and there, reported it to teachers, administrators, and the principal, and quit the next day; the day before my final day. On the playground, with aggressive and inappropriate behavior I would make sure to tell, even though I was nervous 😂, and the school started to take recess away again.

@TeacherTherapy

10 ай бұрын

Most people wouldn't believe the degree of abysmal behavior that occurs even in elementary schools. I think unmonitored social media, streaming movie services and smartphones have completely ruined most kids. 😭

@T00124

10 ай бұрын

@@TeacherTherapy Agreed!

it's policies like this that are directly contributing to teacher shortage

What they say about punishment for misbehavior is that "punishment is not teaching" in other words, punishing a child for misbehaving, doesn't teach them how to behave. That may be true, it's important to give kids very clear rules and procedures to follow so that they know what they should be doing. But, correct behavior sometimes is not as much fun as misbehavior. We can teach a child to earn an allowance by doing chores at home, and save so that they can buy what they want from the store, but it's more fun to shoplift. So, punishment should be a last resort, but it's still needed.

My take on this is, if a student is taking his recess time playing around during class/not doing their work, etc. then we should be able to take their recess time away. They already used it up during class time.

@munimathbypeterfelton6251

10 ай бұрын

That goes double for P.E. class. Many students think P.E. = recess because it is held outside or in the gym and involves running around and playing games with playground equipment. And of course, very few students give any effort towards the actual exercise activities themselves. So they think that P.E. = playtime simply because they don’t have to sit in desks. And of course, there are always those kids who fake illnesses and injuries in order to be excused from P.E. class on any given day because they don’t want to give the necessary effort towards getting in good physical shape and would instead rather be overweight or otherwise physically weak. One of my former P.E. co-teachers once said to a group of rowdy 6th Graders: “Do you tell your Math teacher that you can’t do your math? Do your tell your English teacher that you can’t do your reading and writing? No? Then you can’t tell me you can’t do P.E.!”

@kris78787

10 ай бұрын

​@@munimathbypeterfelton6251 I agree!

@reneedennis2011

8 ай бұрын

Good point.

I’m naturally a questioner and I remember losing half of my recess in elementary school and that was enough for me to make sure I followed the rules

@TeacherTherapy

10 ай бұрын

Amen! 😄💯

Kids should absolutely lose recess for missing work. They aren't gonna learn if they don't do the work. The rule should be, stay inside and complete it. This was an option when I was in 4th grade and missing some work, but no one ever told me to do it. It should be a requirement, not an option. And deliberate defiance should result in losing at least part of your recess. The "fun" parts of school are a privilege, not a right. You get leisure when you work for it.

Also with the party thing I don’t freak out much about it. The students who are on Blue (exceptional) will just be the first ones to get fresh hot chocolate and get extra treats, the one who are on red will be the last one to get cold chocolate and little to no treats. I will make a big deal of the ones getting the extra treats, and I will slowly explain to the ones on red why they were last. The students will know the difference

Yes and make them pick weeds and clean up trash during recess time.

@reneedennis2011

8 ай бұрын

Yup.

The first time I took away recess from a student I thought I was going to lose my job. 😂 Never understood how I was supposed to discipline kids in my class. I used the word 'discipline' in talking to my principal about it who scowled at me at the word.

@TeacherTherapy

10 ай бұрын

I can totally picture a principal scowling at the word 'discipline'! 😂

@TheEvie202

10 ай бұрын

Yeah I took a class in Grad school and it was titled classroom “management “ -Political correctness to me!!!

@cacatr4495

6 ай бұрын

I suppose the word *_discipline_* could be referred to as *_structuring order._*

Yes. I think they should, but I am against spanking or corporal punishment, I don't consider detention or losing recess corporal punishment.

I agree with you. Students need to understand the concept of consequences. I would argue that it’s a teachable moment.

@cacatr4495

6 ай бұрын

All moments are teaching moments if everyone will allow them to be. Life is rich with opportunity for learning, and it's a disabling disservice for those in need of learning and behavioral maturation to not be taught.

Before watching the video Yes and No Some kids have so much energy and lost the ability to focus and need the 20 minutes to run around and some need to socialize Some kids need that consequence to keep them on task and it helps them keep focused during the class work time As an educator I want the autonomy to determine what to do I call it teacher jail because I really need the break from the students too We’re not supposed to keep kids in but sometimes I do especially if they haven’t finished cleaning up their arts and crafts mess

@dawnvalentine74

Ай бұрын

School isn’t for socializing. People have it all backwards, now. School is for learning.

You have brought up lots of good points which I totally agree with 👍

My principal was on it with behavior and let me decide how I wanted to do detention. I would take off my personal lunch time on Fridays to do detention duty where kids wrote from 40-60 sentences about how they would not do whatever mischief they did again. I would also pull them out of P.E or a class to have them clean my classroom. Parents were fine with it because I was as supportive and informative as I could be since the beginning of the school year.

@TeacherTherapy

10 ай бұрын

That's amazing!!! 🤗

In the Southeast, kids are made to walk laps around the track at recess if they’re “bad”. Just another reason I found teaching here hard. Punish with WALKING? What a disservice to the kids. I was also told I couldn’t initiate a walking club when we were hurting for activities for ALL kids (not just the athletes) bc it wasn’t “competitive” 🙄

@milanka882

7 ай бұрын

Oh I hate that. I can remember, as a blind person, having to do sport at school. I was integrated, so they were pretty much no sports that I could participate in because I couldn't see you. And all I wanted to do was to go up to the local animal shelter and walk dogs. As an adult, I still don't see why the school couldn't do some sort of deal with the local town and get kids walking dogs who didn't want to join in competitive sport that needed to exercise. I don't see why it couldn't have happened. It would be a simple thing to temperament test the dogs that needed walking, to make sure that they were suitable for school age… I'm talking high school age… Students to walk, with appropriate adult supervision. But there is this obsession with having to be competitive when exercising, when some people, for one reason or another, might want and of course need the exercise but don't enjoy the competition. It's so annoying. It's why I hate schools and I'm so pro homeschooling now… Because the schools just put people in boxes and never think outside the box. And I just kind of think that if the school system is about teaching kids to be good citizens, then a program like I have just suggested would be a good way to do that as they are getting the exercise well at the same time volunteering. Imagine the community service value that could potentially you.

I think students should definitely lose recess for bad behavior, especially if it took place on the playground. If and when students treat other students and/or playground equipment and school property poorly during recess, then the teacher on yard duty should own the right to call the student out on their misconduct on the spot and take appropriate action accordingly. That same adult yard duty monitor also should own the right to inform their colleagues about the given student's misdemeanor so that when the next recess rolls around, that student will then "do the time" accordingly. If a student mistreats their peers and teachers in the classroom, that behavior will likely bleed into their recess etiquette as well. So they should do the time for committing their crime by not being allowed the physical, social privilege of recess. In order for the students to stay active on their feet and get some good exercise, they can be given odd tasks to complete in place of their recess that are very helpful to the office staff and teachers; i.e. picking up trash off the schoolyard, cleaning up the classrooms, maybe even making xerox copies for teachers and office staff in the main office also. As long as they remain under the watchful eye of an adult (who still gets to take their break during the given recess period), the student won't miss a beat in terms of completing the tasks at hand. As for homework: since recess isn't connected with schoolwork--as it is part of the schoolday's daily routine and involves assumed free, safe play on the parts of the students--students should instead receive proper academic discipline no matter how much other students, parents, and admin. all object. Rather than taking away a student's recess time for academic disciplinary purposes, that student will simply have to make up the given missed work on their own time outside of school along with all of their newly-assigned homework. And the longer they take to complete an overdue homework assignment for which they already had plenty of time to fulfill, their grade will get lower and lower in the process! Time waits for no person! Of course, if the admin. and parents want absolutely zero student discipline procedures to be instituted, they may as well just say so in writing and watch all the teachers in the world leave the profession like ants on the first day of school!

Granted this was back in the mid to late 1990's but I remember having recess time taken from me on one to two different occasions as a punishment for doing something really out of line during class. Definitely did not feel great at the time lol. But looking back, it really was the best thing to get me to realize: "Oh no! When I do bad thing, I can't do fun things. I should probably think of that next time"

An effective behavior intervention needs to have a possibility of punishment. If they cannot control their behavior in the classroom or hallway, or while at a priori recess, it does not make sense to send them to another recess. especially if the student did not take accountability for breaking a school rule with behavior. Kids do need consequences and rewards for sustained work and good behavior.

@mlovmo

9 ай бұрын

Yeah, but nobody believes that anymore. We cannot take away recess at my school...

@kafusada1041

9 ай бұрын

@@mlovmoI am sure if a parent requested their child missed recess as a consequence, the principal would honor that request.

Taking away recess is like taking away our break at work. We need that time away. We all need that time alone. I truly wish admin would hold parents to task. Just keep them at home and give support for homeschooling if they’re too much to handle. It’s like the same conversation in a circle but mainly bcs teachers are the only ones trying to come to a resolution unfortunately. I think taking away things like rewards, class parties, pep rallies, etc will work better. No clubs or sports participation for the entire year. But as a gen z adult, I truly think these teens and kids are truly on a different level of disrespectful and rebellious and just need to terrorize their parents. They need to know after childhood, if you act up , you’re just without a job with online resources to find another .

@dawnturitto8442

8 ай бұрын

Agree. Put it back on the parents. If they can't send their kid back to school, they'll have to deal with their child. Imagine that.

Every video you have made makes me feel like you were a colleague across the hall. Fascinating (and scary) how similar experiences in education are, including sometimes even overseas.

@MrsMoore1

7 ай бұрын

I feel the same! So validated and seen.🙏

I totally agree... I sum it up too yoi were sitting in your chair not doing you work for over 30 minites so you will do it during recess..📚 And they can do a few laps before they start their work for "exercise"

Imagine if a patient with no medical expertise told their surgeon what to do for their upcoming operation! Teachers are the experts so let them teach! Its highly insulting when people outside of the classroom try to implement ridiculous ideas that won't work. Taking away recess is necessary for classroom management, period. It does NOT damage students, and in fact supports them by holding them accountable, building grit, and giving challenges to overcome.

@TeacherTherapy

10 ай бұрын

Amen!!! 💯 😁

@kris78787

10 ай бұрын

A little louder for the people in the back 👏👏

@reneedennis2011

8 ай бұрын

Thank you!

Positive reinforcement can only go so far. Frankly, kids are horrible, and often cruel. Combine that with teachers being powerless? Its no wonder combined with low pay, there are hardly people willing to be kids. Hell if i had a kid, while id love to hear what's going on, so long as they don't smack my kid I'm liable to agree with them. Because idk how delusional some people are. But 'a sit down and talk' sometimes doesnt work. Sometimes, people AND kids are shit. Where the only reason they don't do something is cause they'll go to jail. I think lots of people conflate Punishment = abuse. And never want a kid to feel negative emotions. (But then, they get so surprised when kids who never were told no sometimes have MASSIVE meltdowns.) I also wonder, if this rise is also a factor in why there's more and more violence because well... They've never been beholden to consequences.

@cacatr4495

6 ай бұрын

You stated multiple realities, quite accurately. They don't have accurate understandings. Those parents and admins have been taught beliefs that are not true.

Glad you are talking about this because I am dealing with this now like what’s the point when admin going to come back and include everyone

🤦🏾‍♀️ this hurts to hear. As a millennial in my 30s, sure I have qualms with some facets of the education I received. But from the sounds of it, I would DETEST being a student in the current classroom environment, let alone a teacher!

Yes!

Parents that argue with teachers about their kids losing a recess sound like the "everybody gets a trophy" people. You're right. Pity the kids who'll never learn self-control because Mommy & Daddy think they're angels but never see the kid has a pitchfork behind his back.

Recess detention works-simple as that! I tell parents it’s an opportunity to complete the assignment they didn’t do for homework or an opportunity to get ahead. We don’t hold kids in for lunch recess-only the principal does and for more severe consequences. If we can’t hold them in-we have NOTHING. The kids still get to go outside, they just sit in the table area to work.

Lol, wut? I had no idea administration gutted teachers’ toolboxes so much. I remember times when the teacher said NONE of us got recess until a misbehaving guilty party stepped forward. I guess you can’t do that either now?

Yes. I made my children watch the Barney show. I also had a conduct Traffic Light. The student was required to move his/her name marker. Amber was a loss of recess. Red was a phone call to the parent.

@TeacherTherapy

10 ай бұрын

Love it! ❤️

Yes recess should be taken! That is the only form of discipline that we HAD left. The school I work at just changed it this year where we are not allowed to take recess😫

@sharinaross1865

10 ай бұрын

How long is recess?

@brandynicjones

10 ай бұрын

@@sharinaross1865 15 minutes

@PurpleEntertainment0

10 ай бұрын

​@@sharinaross1865usually 15-20 Minutes it's been a hot minute since I've been in middle/elementary school I'm I'm 10th grade now

@sharinaross1865

10 ай бұрын

@@PurpleEntertainment0 so why are you on here if you haven't graduated high school yet?

@PurpleEntertainment0

10 ай бұрын

@@sharinaross1865 I was answering the others person question

I wonder if any families practice 'do homework together'? Everyone at the table, parents, children, reading. Then the behavior maybe can be modeled ? Typically, the parents are preparing a meal, while the children *might* be doing homework? In a similar sense, group preparation of the meal might be a good modeling behavior. Who's turn is it to cut the onions :) ?

@munimathbypeterfelton6251

10 ай бұрын

The average American family household of today is more divided than ever before. Every member of the family has a different schedule and different priorities. Very rarely do they even WANT to sit down together for a family meal and meaningful conversation or even have a family day free of extracurricular activities for the kids or business obligations for the parents. It’s clear that members of households hardly know each other anymore as a result, and they are reluctant to do so in the process. Instead they use therapists and teachers separately and together as middlemen to solve their quarrels that they themselves created by being dysfunctional family units to begin with.

@stayroxy

9 ай бұрын

that is an interesting idea for sure

@reneedennis2011

8 ай бұрын

​@@stayroxyYes, it is.

My opinion? Send them outside, but make them just walk or run laps of the field. Not only does it get them exercised, but everyone can see what is going on and they aren’t having fun/being disciplined.

How do I cope with this in my classroom? On the first day, I tell the students that humans learn in one of three ways, by doing, watching others do, and by reading. If they can't get it together they will do more of the less fun things to master our objective(s). To appease the administration for differentiation, we do a mini-lesson, class work, and a follow-up for each objective. That way we have the full range of learning styles and formative assessments. The students catch on pretty quickly, especially if you have the really cool learning materials and the packets of papers out for them to see. To take care of the parents/guardians issue, I point out that I'm required to provide a high-quality developmentally appropriate education for their child that is standards-based. How that information is obtained has no set requirement.

Yes. What else are you gonna take away? It’s not like the parents are going to discipline them. That’s if you can actually get them on the phone.

@TheEvie202

10 ай бұрын

Testify sis! This comment is spot on!

@kris78787

10 ай бұрын

Modern discipline is sending a kid to their room with an ipad

When I was in school this was very normal and we turned out better!

Let's not forget that we don't even give grades any more. It's a one a two or a three.

This is all very true and I agree. Curious what you think of the nuances to all this below? We need to educate everyone on how to recognize the difference between bad behavior, who was at fault, behavior that stems from trauma or bullying or cultural differences or neurodiversity, etc etc.. it’s about being educated enough to discern what is the root of the child’s behavior and knowing what the proper response is. If you punish a child for typical mischief the consequences work and the child stops misbehaving and the child truly learns something. If you punish a child for a behavior that stems from complex-ptsd that they live through everyday because of their abusive parents or because of adhd that is a totally different situation. These kids can not behave however they want and we can not teach them to make excuses for their behavior. That is also so damaging. But their behavior isn’t stemming from typical childhood mischief, their behavior is them acting out and they truly need support and help to deal with a situation they may not understand or know how to talk about. I was disciplined constantly as a kid but it didn’t really work because I wasn’t actually misbehaving I was dealing with an abusive parent at home and had emotional health struggles due to that, that I truly needed help with. These kids may need to take time to go learn how to manage some of their adhd symptoms before returning to the classroom. Or some kids may need to have real, robust, compassionate emotional supports because of abuse at home - how that support would look I’m not quite sure yet - but it would NOT be the teachers responsibility. Additional staff is going to be needed to truly address this crisis. And no one wants to create a solution like this because it’s hard and time consuming and expensive. But we won’t implement it until we have thoroughly learned our lesson.. which will take a lot more time still. The problem is that this is not the easy or fast solution society demands. It will take time, money, a lot of extra staff and a lot of hard work to have a sophisticated understanding of these nuances about behavior and the appropriate responses for them all. Which is why the response so far has been the easy way out, let’s just do nothing and now it’s just pure chaos that will cause long lasting harm for all of us. In addition to this schools need to become far more holistic within the context of their communities. Students who are being abused at home or emotionally neglected by parents need massive, massive emotional supports and when warranted the parents need support as well. If a parent isn’t providing structure or support or discipline for their child and this is a widespread issue we also need to tackle that issue in society at the same time. This is a very layered, holistic problem that needs a layered, holistic solution.

You are right except you’re underestimating that not all parents can or even should be parenting. It is the truth and kids of bad parents who get away need to be able to talk more about this in society. Like my parent was abusive and I no longer see or talk to my parent as an adult. I can’t mention this to most people because saying your parent isn’t good isn’t typically an acceptable thing to say. In society, maybe because the majority of parents are probably decent, we don’t really fully grasp how many kids are not really parented by the adults that gave birth to them, and are also abusive and neglectful. In my case my parent was good at hiding the abuse and people didn’t understand it like we are starting to now. This whole issue unfortunately isn’t as simple as a problem with just the child’s behavior, it’s a problem with how the parents are treating and raising the child. We are going to need to take both of these issues way more seriously if we are going to solve these problems.

your speeding metaphor was spot on

It's essential to add that 1st and 2nd grade children love structure! Clear rules and consequences enable them to navigate their educational world, and give them security in knowing what to expect which helps them to thrive. I agree with Trish in teaching them accountability as how can we prepare them for an adult world in which we are responsible for rules in all aspects of our lives? I certainly took recess time away, but I always it was just half the period during the lunch break as they needed to eat. But losing time to play certainly gives them a consequence.

This may be unpopular but I think we need to encourage self defense because if we want to end bullying and stop fights. We gotta stop punishing a kid that isn't going to let a kid beat them up because if they fight back they get in trouble. Too many schools worried about getting on the news and lawsuits than student safety. Same goes with pulling recess. It's important get 60 minutes of excise but they can get it elsewhere.

@TeacherTherapy

10 ай бұрын

Thanks for sharing your thoughts! ❤️

The reason why I began watching your videos was to decide which school my niece will go to. However, the decision her mom and I made was based on which country will host the school of choice. After watching video after video of teachers quitting their careers, I had to consider what a teacher and student relationship is like in another country. We decided on Mexico for my nieces education. It was a no brainer. Yes, it is a crime ridden country, but so is the US. In Mexico, the teachers are in control of the classroom, and the students display respect and interest to learn. There are immediate consequences for poor behavior. And if a student is suspended, the parents (me in this case) must continue to pay for their school. My niece is doing amazingly well academically. I forgot to mention my niece is attending a private school with music and creative arts being what the school is known for. If an American teacher ever wanted to teach in Mexico, especially in a small village, the school will provide assistance with housing.

I was a questioner on the cusp of rebel in school

I would let my kids teacher know that if she can’t take his recess away, she can just text me and the consequences at home are gonna be 🔥 I want my kid to learn to deal with the difficult feelings and situations that the real world is going to throw at them. Shame on these parents for not seeing they are harming kids in the long run and also disrespecting teachers who are trying to help.

We can no longer take away anyone's recess at my elementary school. That started THIS school year. Just another tool they are taking away, one at a time. It seems that I'm now working for that company that Dilbert worked for...

There are different ways of looking at this one. If we look at it from the perspective that school is supposed to prepare us for the working world, then the penalties for missing a deadline at work can range from not much of anything to complaints about the employee bringing the team down by not pulling their weight, to at worst firing the employee. However with that in mind in a nine-to-five job, you still leave at 5 p.m. and are still entitled to lunch break by law. The company can not take away your lunch break and a 5-minute break from work for every hour of work (true here in Pennsylvania) if your working day is over 5 hours long. So perhaps we need to to back to the fundamental question in society which has really been considered since the advent of the COVID-19 pandemic: What is the actual purpose of school? Is schooling really about academics /alone/? Because a lot of the top parental complaints about schools after the initial COVID-19 waves were more about what to do about their kids once companies resumed some on-site work (or never changed like with Essential Workers). Enough parents probably view schools with daycare as the primary focus and academics being secondary even though we'd never say that in public, especially in the K-8 years (ages 5 to 14). We need to figure this out as a society and not beat around the bush anymore. Perhaps a new definition of schooling is: Learning how to be a good person.

Of course. I am so glad the schools I worked at backed us up in regards to pulling recess. Consequences do not hurt children.

We do walk and talk. The student and I walk around the playground loop together and talk about the behavior or issue that happened in the classroom. I work with young kids, and completely missing would probably cause more harm than good.

When I was five(I'm 74 today), I faked being sick and stayed home from school. Three o'clock came around. It was a beautiful Spring day. I looked out the window and all the children were outside playing. I asked my mother if I could go out and play. She looked at me sympathetically and said remember you're sick. That made my five year mind think. Still remember the lesson.

An employer would never be allowed to remove a break as punishment for poor performances. I prefer the after school/before school detention and or a requirement to clean their classroom or perform "community service" within the rest of the school. Without a physical outlet, nobody works well.

There seems to be a current opinion in our society that consequences are “bad” or have a negative impact on kids. The opposite is true. A child’s well being suffers when they aren’t made to experience consequences.

@reneedennis2011

8 ай бұрын

Yup. Exactly.

No and yes. I would say fail them but you can't do that any more.

Great topic!

Missing out on 15 minutes of running around a few times was boring at the time but it certainly didn't ruin my life 😂😂😂 There was a common practice in my first and second years of high school where you could lose your 45 lunch time and weren't allowed to eat or drink at all. They ended up getting rid of that when mental health was being pushed after covid but that was also when they started letting everyone get away with everything and the school became a warzone

Depends on what "lose recess" means. I don't think it's gonna help a teachers situation when kids don't get to eat or drink for 6 hours straight. (At least that's how rules are in my country. Children are not allowed to do either during the lessons. Technically as a teacher you shouldn't allow them to leave the classroom, not even just to use the bathroom.) HOWEVER, if that means spending recess away from their friends / classmates and sitting alone or with a teacher in a separate room (similar to detention in the US, which is sadly also illegal in my country.) might actually do some good and calm them down. (Ironically parents would actually love for their kids to spend more time in school, so they can be at work and actually afford to live, even if that meant keeping their kids in a detention like environment.)

@TeacherTherapy

10 ай бұрын

That's so interesting! Here in the United States, recess is playtime outdoors with friends and usually lasts around 20 minutes. We had separate bathroom breaks, water breaks, and lunch breaks, and I would even incorporate "shake breaks" where we would all get up and move around just to help keep them focused. When I say lose recess, I only mean the fun playtime part, not any of the other breaks. 😊

@07Flash11MRC

10 ай бұрын

@@TeacherTherapy Thank you for the clarification :) It can be very confusing sometimes, because we all have different rules given to us (teachers) by the principal, admin and whoever else is involved in making those up. Where I'm from there are usually a lot of local and national politicians (literally people with zero experience and - let's just be honest! - negative IQs) involved and dictating to the experts what we're supposed to do and how we're supposed to be doing it. Too bad the people living under those rules (teachers, parents and students) don't ever get a say in them. I've been so frustrated with situations where all three of us agree on an issue (like having a student that disturbs the lesson removed from the classroom), but then politicians and lawyers get involved and claim we are denying said student an education and we should just "inspire them enough to be quiet and want to learn by using our classroom management skills" so that "no kind of punishment would ever even be deemed necessary".

@reneedennis2011

8 ай бұрын

​@@07Flash11MRCWow! What country do you live in?

Like many things in public schools liability comes to mind. Seems schools make a lot of decisions based on whether or not they will be liable.

I think taking away recess is fine for younger kids too

Nothing made me want to behave more in school than seeing my fellow classmates come back from a recess detention looking bored and frustrated and muttering "ugh finally..." I had a few recess detentions myself, but somehow seeing it happen somewhat regularly to the other kids in school was more ominous because it reminded me that it was still a thing and to keep my butt in line.

When I was in Middle School we had a reading teacher, and what they did was you wasted their time by not reading your book at home they would take away your recess. And I agree in some ways having you waste my time. I'll waste your time. Type of consequence. He is important.

I am not a parent but I can’t imagine being mad that my child missed recess after not turning something in or misbehaving if anything I’d want them to lose recess so they’d start doing what they’re supposed to be doing.

You have a fitting name to your channel?

No, letting students have recession when they don't deserve it will ruin someone's life.

Much-needed convos ❤❤

This makes me worried about the future of society and grateful that I’m not a parent! I blame parents and those parents rights groups for watering down the education system and teachers power and authority in schools. I really think there needs to be a major pushback against this because it undermines teachers authority and it’s undermines children’s intelligence to shield them from learning about WW 2, fact based sex education etc. it’s lowering the intelligence of the country and that’s horrifying for our future as a nation.

There have to be consequences. Talking to most students does not work. I was a questioner, and talking to me was actually the only thing that did work. If it was not explained, I’d keep on doing my thing. My son is an obliger - but before you think the gods smiled on me, let me explain: He is so good at school that I get all of the attitude at home.

@TeacherTherapy

10 ай бұрын

Thanks for sharing! I've heard a few parents tell me the same thing, and it's always a shock! They say, "My kid is an angel at school and a devil at home!" LOL 😇

The problem is that the Admin in public school does not want kids to lose recess. Yet, this is the same admin who does not support the teacher on discipline or work that is not done. Subbing now in Catholic school and they do hold kids responsible.

I don’t see an issue with having conversation with kids to see why they did what they did, but there still needs to be a consequence for that bad behavior. You can understand that person and have empathy but that doesn’t mean you should enable their terrible behavior.

@reneedennis2011

8 ай бұрын

You're right. Thank you.

I agree. I'm not entirely sure if i can take away recess, but you bet I use it as a threat. lol and it works for the most part. what I do is I have a "Recess List" on my white board. If kids misbehave their name gets put on the list. However, if they turn it around I remove their name. But if they get a checkmark next to their name (constant disruptions), their name cannot be removed and they owe me time at recess. If they continue to nisvehave I add up to 3 checkmarks, where i take away the full time. I tell my students, "if you play during worktime, you will work during playtime." So far only one student (out of 30) had some recess time taken away.

@reneedennis2011

8 ай бұрын

That's a good idea 💡.

Hi Trish. I really enjoy watching your teacher therapy channel.