Very surprised as to how easy the frame swap was. I really enjoy your videos when you tear into the guts of things. The more technical and reasoning behind it the better.

Super great idea!! It is something that I want to try. Thank-you

Very nice!

Josh, thanks for all of your contribution to the RC building hobby. A little late on this thread however there is a need to expand on a point you made in this video. First the VS4-10 chassis is a definite upgrade to the stock Associated Enduro. This video is what motivated me to make the change. You modified the VS4-10 chassis front shock towers to use the stock associated shocks citing the associated shock towers would limit the travel because of the panhard bar mount. I tried that approach and then tried using the stock associated shock mounts in the front and back. The stock associated mounts worked best and helped the front end geometry work optimally. That being said I also went with 84mm shocks with grey springs (1.49in lbs.) to lower the cg. The VS4-10 shock mounts are 4mm taller the the associated. This change has made a good crawler into a great crawler. Now I just need to upgrade the driving skills to keep up.

Love it!

You're a nice man.

@mikes062

4 жыл бұрын

Seems as though he’s trying to channel you for that intro....

I've been waiting for this video to drop

It is really coincidental you did this video as this was something i had been wondering about. I built the Element kit with all the hard plastic pieces and it still is a bit twisty. It is good to know that i can go forward putting the 410 chassis in and it wont be a major re-construction project. Great job, and thank you for doing the research on this. I know a lot of us Element owners have been asking a lot of questions about what will fit and how much work it would require.

I appreciate you taking the time to post this up... I have the RTR Sendero, a VS410 chassis kit, VS410 Pro bumpers, SSD Pro44 axles, and the Enduro utility bed for mine... (and TSL THORNBIRDS!) and I was curious as to the difficulty level of dealing with different geometries... I'm going to discard the BTA steering to make it easier. All the take-offs are going to a completely different, low-key build for later.

@ludicrousspeed82

4 жыл бұрын

Where did you get Thornbirds from?! I love that tire.

@stratobungle

4 жыл бұрын

@@ludicrousspeed82 RC4WD, directly...

@ludicrousspeed82

4 жыл бұрын

@@stratobungle Awesome! Thank you. How did I miss that...

I just received a new front bumper for my Enduro from ScalerFab in Colorado. Fits perfectly and has a very good approach angle.

Would love to see this chassis in an Ascender. Cool to see different options for the chassis kit.

Looks to be a ez upgrade I would like to see how it performs with the new chassis...keep up the great content..

I put and axial crc front bumper on my element the one that comes in the raw builders kit it don’t look bad

The scaler fab prerunner Cherokee front bumper fits nice, needs a little grinding out of screw holes to fit correctly, and has great aprotch angle, but we installed a wertymade element bumper, because I am using the S.F. bumper on my VS410 chassis kit. The wertymade is very nice and looks great, but I liked the aprotch angle of the scaler Fab XJ bumper better. It was very hard to decide I switched them back and forth for a long time. It's the S.F. prerunner without fairlead and shackle mounts.

You’re a dork I love it nice intro

Way cool bro. Wish maybe you'd run some before/after stats..like ascent/descent and sidehill %..but, the main thing is that you increased suspension travel.

I copy-pasted your first job on the overdrive install, took it to the woods, and thought it did ok. Back in the shop, I wanted to see the plus speed on the front axle versus the rear. Funny enough, the rear ran a little faster than the front... So I grabbed the manual, and found that one of my RC-Gurus had made a big mashup!!! So when you're gonna visit Denmark (not like the POTUS didn't) You will bring Rumballs and Treestams...

Love your videos! If I was going to pick up a chassis kit from the start wouldn't it be better to just get a Scx10 II kit as well? Is overdrive the main benefit to the element?

It looks like you already found a new bumper. Look at the thumbnail. It is from the VS410.

Is vanquish going to have any link kits available for the element? My element is getting the vanquish portals.

So when we installed those overdrive gears, what did we do , overdrive the rear ? Couldn't tell the dif.in C.D.A. Id.

I,ve had the same brush 20 years only had 6 new handles and 10 new heads !!!! Get the VS front the off ....

@HarleyDesignsInc

4 жыл бұрын

I don't know what any of this says... :)

On the second run of element sendero the front diff locked up,then it unlocked and both front wheels wobbled with a loud noise and metal shaving coming out of it,bringing it back to the shop I bought it from to find out what is the problem (I don't want to do it as it still in warranty)

I was thinking of doing this, but after watching not sure its work it. Few things I do not like about it.

Now if we could just teach Josh how to paint the circle would be complet

Were the Enduro rear shock towers taller or shorter than the VSD towers?

I knew you were going to swap chassis's. I was thinking of the same thing because I have the VS410 chassis sitting here waiting to be used. Originally I was going to use Sport axles...but I went a different direction with those axles for now.

@vlozity

4 жыл бұрын

I replaced my vs410 chassis the other day, it made the rig so heavy. Still thinking what I will use it for, it will gather dust for a while Hehehe

@tomlucasrccrawlers9108

4 жыл бұрын

@@vlozity I wouldn't think it'd add that much weight.

@vlozity

4 жыл бұрын

@@tomlucasrccrawlers9108 I have the origin chassis... that is a tank compared to the new pro chassis. The sliders, bumpers, braces are all alloy

@tomlucasrccrawlers9108

4 жыл бұрын

@@vlozity oh ok. I thought you used the same chassis. But you added all the aluminum stuff. I have the new Pro. My main thing for wanting to use it would be for the better designed sliders and the rear upper link adjustments.

@vlozity

4 жыл бұрын

@@tomlucasrccrawlers9108 the pro chassis should have been what the origin was (hope that made sense hehehe). The origin was so mediocre in performance... it was hyped so much, poor thing was designed to be a shelf queen... I regret my purchase. I like the axles on the pro, they look way better. Will wait for that to be released... don't care much about the cassis and new tranny, I have a toyzuki motor imount nstalled + a tcase with od/UD gears

If you switch the rear shock towers side to side, would it keep the body mounts in the same position?

@ConditionZero76

3 жыл бұрын

hes trying to lay the shocks down for more suspension travel that would defeat the purpose 👍🏼

Would this chassis swap make the Enduro a better comp truck ?

So Josh your video installing the over drive gearing I followed u step by step to doit 😅 what do I need to change or fix to correct it lol?

@HarleyDesignsInc

4 жыл бұрын

Read the instructions unlike I did 😁

Hey josh, on the vs4-10 chassis... Will a cantilever suspension work in the rear? Bein as the reciever fuel cell n solid chassis brace are back there. Lookin at pickin one up for a build, but i cant use the shock hoops due to the bed ill be runnin. Thanks for all the help n the great vids!

@HarleyDesignsInc

4 жыл бұрын

So you are looking at an inboard cantilever setup, you would need to do some plastic trimming for sure. But likely still possible.

@indybama80

4 жыл бұрын

@@HarleyDesignsInc i was lookin at the dinkyrc one, but havent decided yet. The bed ill b using in made from a vaterra ascender cage n will likely sit down on the chassis

Are y’all going to offer the links to do the VS410 to traxxas portal swap like you did in your other video

@tomlucasrccrawlers9108

4 жыл бұрын

That would be cool. After seeing Josh's do it...I bought the VS410 chassis to do the same.

i really dont understand why the vs410 still has those shock towers for the rear... you cant angle shocks on it, it show even on this video how very limiting they are.

@mikecoaker5133

4 жыл бұрын

cos it's over hyped over priced crap man. why does Harley keep ruining rigs? butchered both a red cat and a trx. he has no idea of plastic parts that maintain the rigidity of both those aforementioned rigs....

@mikecoaker5133

4 жыл бұрын

there's always more question than answers with Harley lol

@HarleyDesignsInc

4 жыл бұрын

Never did anything custom on the Red Cat, it's broken before it could get used. The TRX4 now sits lower, has better travel and has better battery placement. I had also already installed the chassis stiffeners on the Enduro, much better but still not as rigid. I still like the Enduro, with or without the stock chassis. But if I can make some changes to get it where I want easily, then I'm going to do it.

@mikecoaker5133

4 жыл бұрын

customisation bro. we're all entitled to an opinion on it. I just wouldn't do it like he does. n yeah I watch his videos. have done for a very long time. I know what he's doing here. just as anyone does. I'm just saying he has butchered a few rigs now...just an observation.

I am thinking about doing this to my Enduro mark 1 as I already have the half cab body and bumpers. However, I have already added a servo on axle kit over the stock chassis mounted one. Has anyone tried to install this setup on a VS4-10 chassis? Obviously I would want to be using my Enduro's stock from axle. I emailed Vanquish and they succinctly replied in the negative. Thanks.

Can you put the Origin Pro tube bumpers on the Enduro? I'd like to see how they fit.

@HarleyDesignsInc

4 жыл бұрын

I have installed them since this video was recorded (you can see it on the thumbnail actually). They fit perfect.

I didn't think to move the track bar forward on the frame mount. Instead I shaved some of the material from the truss. Same end result, but your's looks cleaner. I also choose to use Pro-Line Scaler Shocks instead of trimming the Vanquish shock hoops, that was a mistake..... should've used the Incision Shocks. Live & Learn I suppose.

Scaler Fab full length front bumper... so how hard was the stealth X transmission to mount? You didn't talk about it in your video? And how hard is it to mount a gcm transmission?

@HarleyDesignsInc

4 жыл бұрын

The stealth X bolted right in without any extra work. It was as simple as installing an Axial or Vanquish trans. GCM, no idea.

Was it worth it? Any noticeable driving differences

@josefigueroa941

4 жыл бұрын

Probably not, there is nothing special on that chassis just waste of money and resources.

the Origin bumpers look good on that body. Just saying.

@HarleyDesignsInc

4 жыл бұрын

I actually have it on the truck in the thumbnail, I just shot this video a long time ago and didn’t have the bumper yet 😁

Have you ever considered wheels that weren’t orange?

Hey Josh. Im gonna do this swap myself. Well, Im getting the vs kit and using enduro axles, links and trans i have left from other builds. After watching the video, I was wondering if a bent panhard link would work in factory panhard place or would it still need to be used on the front of the panhard. I have a couple of bent 10.2 bent panhard links laying around that Im gonna try. Just figured Id ask for you advice so if i needed to order something else I could go ahead and have that ordered as well lol

@HarleyDesignsInc

2 жыл бұрын

Bent panhard would likely solve it.

@TheRCBuildersPost

2 жыл бұрын

@@HarleyDesignsInc Thank you, sir

Will vanquish axles for an axial scx-10 II work on the element?

@HarleyDesignsInc

4 жыл бұрын

Only if you change the gears, and steering. SCX10-2 axles are high pinion and would interfere with BTA steering.

@chrisgierse5628

4 жыл бұрын

Harley Designs so if I use vanquish spur and pinion and steering knuckles all should be good? As far as I can tell the pumpkins are in the same spot.

@HarleyDesignsInc

4 жыл бұрын

Yes I believe all would be good then, you'll need the spool as well of course.

So the Element Enduro transmission has the same bolt pattern as an scx10.1?

@danterborg8852

4 жыл бұрын

Yep. The 3 gear transmission style was first produced by AE anyway. Axial used the design and it worked and became popular. AE just reinvented it again. So yes, same footprint.

I believe after a chasis swap you can no longer call it a element rc. VS410 for the win!!!

@tomlucasrccrawlers9108

4 жыл бұрын

If you go to Axialfest...tech inspection says as long as you have Axial ring and pinion your good. Personally....I'd think as long as you have the Element transmission and axles it's still a Sendero.

@danterborg8852

4 жыл бұрын

Ya not really an Enduro anymore. Just a VS4-10 with Element running gear and drivetrain.

@tomlucasrccrawlers9108

4 жыл бұрын

@@danterborg8852 I had a 48 Willys Truck with Early Bronco Dana 44/9 inch axle, Chevy 327/TH350/205 combo. It was still Willys. Basically....it's still all Enduro except the Chassis. If you put a ToyZuki chassis under it , would it still be an Enduro? If you replace an Axial 10.2 chassis with any aftermarket flat rail chassis...will it become that manufacturers rig?

@danterborg8852

4 жыл бұрын

@@tomlucasrccrawlers9108 I have a VS4-10 origin chassis, TRX axles, mixed set of links, Supershafty bits and a Proline body. Is it an Origin? A TRX4? A Chevy? I'm not saying the essential 'Elements' of the Enduro aren't there. But to me it changes a lot of the factory design. Not neccesarily an Enduro, but not really one either. It's the nature of the hobby. We modify or change things to our wants/needs/preference.

@tomlucasrccrawlers9108

4 жыл бұрын

@@danterborg8852 I built a comp rig from scratch the same year the AX10 came out using their plastic housing but aftermarket internal(they jumped on that wagon fast)...eventually it had a full ToyZuki set-up and medal Boom axle housing. It became a point-and-shoot rig. That got boring so I turned it into a 6x6 Truck Trials rig called "King Midas 6x6". No expense spared. To me , it's still an Axial rig. Don't know what it going to be once I put TRX4 portals on it Hahaha

I’m currently going through this chassis swap now. Is it normal for the front axle to shift to the passenger side during full compression? I’m new to this side of the hobby so I’m not sure 🤷🏼‍♂️. Any insight is helpful.

@HarleyDesignsInc

4 жыл бұрын

All axles will swing based on the arc of the panhard.

@papchops

4 жыл бұрын

Harley Designs thanks for quick reply and insight.

👍🏽🐒

Hows it going Harley, Ive searched your vids High & Low to find footage & comments from the past year on the enduro after the VS4-10 chassis swap. I cant find anything I was hoping to see a running video to find out if the swaps really worth the time & money, does it crawl any better is it worth doing or would one be better off just buying a dredge tier 1 or Gspeed chassis? maybe Im over looking the video if you have one can you please send me the link, if not whats your overall thoughts, is it worth it or is basically swapping 1 & the same? Thanks Brother

@HarleyDesignsInc

3 жыл бұрын

I won’t run a flat rail chassis, if it’s not a C-channel I just don’t find it scale enough. I swapped to it to fix the rigidity of the stock chassis. It’s a more solid setup and rides lower. Overall I enjoy it.

@ConditionZero76

3 жыл бұрын

@@HarleyDesignsInc Thanks thats good to hear, I have a box full of enduro take off parts plus a new in the box enduro transmission, so Im deciding if I want to pick up the Vanquish chassis to start another build or of I should just buy some element C-Channel rails.... Thanks man take care 🤘🏼🇺🇸👍🏼

It is really annoying the way the sliders are too narrow with no adjustment and doesn’t offer the body any protection.

What wheels are those?

@HarleyDesignsInc

4 жыл бұрын

Vanquish Products Method 101 V2

Real men don't read instructions re: 2:55

So, is it really worth the $110 on this rig? Be honest.

@HarleyDesignsInc

4 жыл бұрын

Depends what you value things at. Chassis rigidity, aluminum panhard, fuel cell, smoother surfaces, etc. I’d say yes.

@DEeMONsworld

4 жыл бұрын

I'm a complete noob to crawlers, but Any hobby or sport where you have a central pc of hardware, gear, vehicle etc .there is no logic or cost effective formula you can use. You upgrade, modify, re-tune just because you can, and you are curious as to the result. I had motorcycles for years and without fail this cost effective thread thing always popped up. How do you measure cost effectiveness? you don't, it's a personal choice and everyone has a different take on what's worth it.

Want to get rid of the element chassis? Let me know.

Not a Element Enduro anymore !!! just another Vanquish.

@HarleyDesignsInc

4 жыл бұрын

Far from the same as just another Vanquish

what the f==k is that at 6:59, that is but ugly , why, maybe you let a noob try it, ... I've seen your work man , this hack job blows, ... the rest of the video was awesome as usual though . thanks a million for all your hard work, it is appreciated

900 buck, for the Vanquish kit. Rather pay that for the in box built... But I get it you guys don't pay a dime for these things

@HarleyDesignsInc

4 жыл бұрын

The chassis is $109, and is a very complete chassis kit. The VP truck is also not $900. And it costs me a LOT of money to run this channel.

@ConditionZero76

3 жыл бұрын

sammy Gonzalez - my wife tells me to stay off the internet when Im Drunk!! & what's it matter if Josh gets everything Free even tho he doesn't whats it to you, are you jealous, start your own KZread channel see what takes to keep it running!!

stop ruining rigs to prove a no point Harley dude. ;)

@PhiddyPford

4 жыл бұрын

Mike Coaker What’s your issue??

@mikecoaker5133

4 жыл бұрын

@@PhiddyPford calm down it's tongue in cheek dude

@mikecoaker5133

4 жыл бұрын

but to be fair he does keep chopping up plastics on rigs n taking all the stability out... this time rather than do a propper upgrade he's just swapping in his product. sorta bastardisation of the enduro. just to yet again promote vanquish. Not all of us care about vanquish so I'm gonna tease him about it. you vanquish guys get so defensive. not all that serious #still a toy