Completely agree on the no DIY. I sold my DIY bits and got a VAD-507. It’s really hard to overstate how much less fiddling I have to do. I sit down, play, and everything just works.

@heloyou2b

5 ай бұрын

You guys just killed my dream 😢😢

@boinknook

5 ай бұрын

​@heloyou2b I did a diy on a 6 piece ludwig evolution with an alesis pro module and absolutely love it! I trashed my old dm 10 and got the ludwig and I get the same performance! You still can live your dream!

@360.Tapestry

5 ай бұрын

@@heloyou2b you can still do a personal project for a hobby or self-edification. lots of people have plenty of success. just don't do it for a professional venue that requires equipment that performs reliably and can't afford downtime

@matenorth

4 ай бұрын

​​@@heloyou2bI have a diy e kit with converted low volume cymbals and it's the best an e kit can be. If you know what you are doing, it will be top notch. If you buy a cheap 3d printer, you are set.

@vbarsoteli

4 күн бұрын

I'm building my drums for the last ~3 months, it's a challenge for sure, living in apartment, I'm using aliexpress cheap cymbals covered with rubber, some kind of floor foam or eva... on tests right now, there's some videos on my channel already

Great idea for a video that I haven’t seen before! I just bought a TD-27KV2 for my church because in consultation with my drummers the better triggering of the digital pads was a requirement, but we couldn’t spring for the VAD stuff even with the sales in December. Going to install it next week when our Christmas set gets torn down. We’re moving up from a TD-12 that has a display that’s barely readable so it was time.

If I was a venue owner there’s no way I would have an E kit as the house kit. That’s a recipe for a disaster. It would get destroyed. I guess it would depend on the venue, maybe at an old folks home on bingo night or something. This was an informative video though. Cheers

This is a very good comprehensive video, that I think everyone buying a kit in this situation needs to see!

Awesome breakdown! Thanks!

Great video Justin and some sweet comparisons! Wishing you and yours the best in 2024 brother!

My favorite kit is that blue sonor with the Roland. 😊

Great advice as usual.

Awesome info, thanks!

cool vid!! your stuff helps me so much! keep it up

@65Drums

5 ай бұрын

thanks man!

What about the Millenium MPS - 1000? A great drumset!

Hey great stuff sir. I got the Roland VAD 506 for home and one at my church AWESOME!

@65Drums

5 ай бұрын

Great to hear!

I just bought another eFnote 3x as I gave my son the previous one I bought as an xmas present. I'm not bothered about the sounds on the module as I have a macbook pro to run drum software. As far as mentioning DWe kits, Have you seen the price of them? It's like buying a car! I would have bought the Yamaha but it was too much dosh for what I get compared to the efnote. BTW, If anyone is interested in a dtxtreme II kit with all the bells and whistles for $1500 plus shipping let me know. This kit is expanded and modernised, Plus a load of rack hardware, a spare Yam 500 module for extra inputs.

@65Drums

5 ай бұрын

wow that's a really nice present!

@65Drums Seeing if you went to NAMM this year. Always wait for your videos to drop !!! Hope all is well with you. :-)

I'd love to see a video on all of Aroma's electronic drumsets as I encounter them alot when searching for budget kits

Nice video. Of course a lot of Roland. But first time I see you mention so much Efnote. Happy to see that as a 3x owner.

Would really like to hear your thoughts on the Millenium MPS 1000. Seems to be getting some decent reviews and a great price point.

I have roland modules from 20-plus years ago and they still work roland is the way to go

Never even thought of a venue being to small for e drums but it makes perfect sense! Do you know if there is something you can do with the Roland vad 507 on love situation like the enote pro has like that stage box? I’m wanting more than my stereo left and right and 2 direct outs but I’m using mac book pro with edrummer 3 I don’t know if there’s an audio interface you can use or what the options are I’m clueless about that kind of stuff. If it’s not on your channel then I don’t know. Thanks for all your videos and knowledge over the past 4 years

Well, I have watched what seems like 4 million hours on Justin's channel and I have built a few DIY kits. Our house kit is a conversion that I built. We were struggling with the smacking sound from the cymbals/ yes they were metal e-cymbals. I battled back and forth with throwing down for another set of rubber e-cymbals or The "low volume" cymbal option. I finally decided on going for the Wuhan low volume cymbals. I figured for the price I would give it a try. I spent some time on strategic placement for the mics on them. About 5 minutes in total. lol. We have discovered this option works really well for us. My drummers love it and our congregation has complimented the change several times. I realize this may be an outlier, but for $200 for the Wuhan cymbals I couldn't be happier with the result. It may help to note that we use the Pearl mimic Pro for a module.

3:28 this is the German band "Versengold" I saw them 2 weeks ago

Hey Justin. If you haven’t already can you do a review of the Lemon T 950 set? Thanks, John

speaking of e-drums made in Japan, is Tama working on the Tama Cocktail JAM Mini E-drum Shell Pack yet ??? ( the ideal module being a Roland SPD-SX Pro )

"Big brain Idea" 😂😂😂

How we solve the low volume / plastic hit issue on stage. We have a small 125 person space and use a Roland set (TD 50x - TD-50k2). We have always used a spare house speaker behind the drums on its own Aux mix from the board. Solves the plastic hit sound problem. Sounds like the house.

@65Drums

5 ай бұрын

That's a good point

@DustinRadtke

24 күн бұрын

100%. A live monitor that is anywhere by the drums to create some stage noise is the answer. We do it all the time in small bars.

Costco has the Roland VAD-506C for $4600. Includes bass pedal hi-hat stand, and snare stand plus a few other extras. Is this the same set as the VAD-507?

@Edrumcenter

5 ай бұрын

VAD506C is a Costco only kit that Roland only sells to them and not music stores. Which obviously makes it confusing for the consumer. It just a VAD506 with some DW hardware. The VAD507 has the much better VH14D digital hi hat and heavier duty cymbal stands for not much more. If you're looking at a VAD507 hit us up and be sure to use the coupon Justin gives you at the beginning of the video.

I wish clubs that want live bands would quit worrying about the volume. If you are worried about it, then stop having live bands. We drummers suffer for it.

Hi Justin, I have a Roland TD 27KV2, I want to upgrade, buy an ATV cymbal, does the ATV work well with the Roland module? Do they have good response?

If your space is big enough to need a house kit, is an electronic set really the instrument you want?

I understand why you left DWe off. That said, it's becoming obvious DWe is gaining momentum in the market. I'm rethinking the VAD 507 and rather go w the shell DWe and stay w my present gen 16s.

Just to be clear - do you hate the sound of mesh heads and L80s on an acoustic kit - or just when it's miked up ??

@65Drums

5 ай бұрын

What I'm saying is that L80s are nice practice cymbals, but they are not designed for stage use in front of an audience. Miced or unmiced it doesn't matter, they sound bad either way

@DavidOakesMusic

5 ай бұрын

Yes. I love mine but they’re too quiet for live.

You could have mentioned Pearl Mimic Pro with Drumtec. The best combination in the world.

@PlaneTrotter

5 ай бұрын

nope, the best combination is roland with toontrack

@hugostos09

5 ай бұрын

@@PlaneTrotter Correct, but I'm not talking about VST

I agree with previous posts- you left off the DWe kit ? Good video on the rest of it😃

@65Drums

5 ай бұрын

At 1:40 I explain that I don't recommend drums with metal electronic cymbals (for stage use), because metal electronic cymbals are pretty loud, and have a higher pitch than rubber cymbals which makes them stand out too much. Depending on your speaker volume and room size, the audience will hear a "ting ting" sound as you play. Metal electronic cymbals are a better fit for studio use where this limitation doesn't matter.

Do you think Roland will present new kits at Namm 2024, e.g. some between Td27Kv2 and VAD507?

@65Drums

5 ай бұрын

probably not, but never say never

@laptoples

5 ай бұрын

Awe, good question, although unfortunately Justin is prolly right. I'll definitely be watching for his NAMM video !!!!! I bought an online pass last year and I thought it was a waste of money. I thought there would be live feeds of the booths and there wasn't. That's what I wanted to see, so the rest of the pass was kinda useless to me. Unless you want to watch a seminar on flutes or marching band techniques or whatever, I wouldn't recommend getting the pass...lol

@Edrumcenter

5 ай бұрын

Roland will not be at NAMM.

Dwe?

what do you consider as an ultra small venue? would any silent stick be beneficial?

@Tom-sd2vi

5 ай бұрын

I played at bars with ~30-70 people with edrums and the acoustic sounds of me smacking the roland cymbals were not noticable from the audience. Hope this helps.

@fanou8822

5 ай бұрын

thanks a lot. How far is the audience? Usually, I am playing with an audience about 5-8 meters with my acoustic and am now considering edrum. Have you ever tried the silent stick?@@Tom-sd2vi

lol it's like people really don't understand the context for this video

@65Drums

5 ай бұрын

Right, and I have no idea why.

Hey, hey! But where is Alesis Strike pro SE?!

@65Drums

5 ай бұрын

I explained at 4:14 that I don't recommend budget brands as venue house kits. When it comes to live use specifically, Japanese companies are just trusted more by most professionals in the industry

@PlaneTrotter

5 ай бұрын

and yet alesis kits are sold like pancakes at every US music store@@65Drums

efnote 3x went down to $1900

Um just for next time ... I think Frankenset™ rolls off the tongue better. Speaking of rolling oh I'm totally kidding. That's so not me.

@65Drums

Ай бұрын

ohhh I like that

Do any drum modules have Dante out?

@joshedwardsOTR

5 ай бұрын

No

@65Drums

5 ай бұрын

They really should, but none do yet

Surprised and curious why you left DWe out? The ability to switch from E to A is nice. I realize they are first gen, probably a little buggy and don't have a lot of the extras available that I'd imagine will show up soon (like bars and splashes). Since I am considering these myself it had me wondering. Thanks bro!

@PirateNightsuN

5 ай бұрын

probably because the metal cymbals aren't recommended mostly

@65Drums

5 ай бұрын

At 1:40 I explain that I don't recommend drums with metal electronic cymbals (for stage use), because metal electronic cymbals are pretty loud, and have a higher pitch than rubber cymbals which makes them stand out too much. Depending on your speaker volume and room size, the audience will hear a "ting ting" sound as you play. Metal electronic cymbals are a better fit for studio use where this limitation doesn't matter.

@Spagz

5 ай бұрын

@@65Drums I did catch that. I noticed it was the DWe at the time. I see your point. I'm waiting to see when they start selling the heads with the wireless triggers separately. They have to at some point.

Great video, but why did you omit the DW ekit?

@joshedwardsOTR

5 ай бұрын

Probably because of metal cymbals.

@65Drums

5 ай бұрын

At 1:40 I explain that I don't recommend drums with metal electronic cymbals (for stage use), because metal electronic cymbals are pretty loud, and have a higher pitch than rubber cymbals which makes them stand out too much. Depending on your speaker volume and room size, the audience will hear a "ting ting" sound as you play. Metal electronic cymbals are a better fit for studio use where this limitation doesn't matter.

@laptoples

5 ай бұрын

@65Drums Seeing if you went to NAMM this year. Always wait for your videos to drop !!! Hope all is well with you. :-)

I think we’re getting away from why we are buying the electric kit,not lugging an entire shell kit across NYC clubs ,wish the smaller mesh kits at the affordable prices were available when I was playing the clubs in the 90’s and 2000’s ( CbGb’s,Lions Den ,Ritz, Roseland,etc….just plug and play would have great back then!

@65Drums

5 ай бұрын

This video is about house kits for venues. Meaning, the kit is there permanently.

@larslan1975

5 ай бұрын

@@65Drums true,I forgot about the theme of the video while watching,my apologies. Still 👍🏻

I Have The Same Concern that @Spagz had, why did you left out the DWe I feel that you are losing perspective about your recommendations because these DW electronic drum kits are amazing, maybe something bothered you about they don’t let you keep the kit that they sent you for review, but that absence removes veracity on your reviews and recommendations. Please don’t get me wrong I admire so much, your knowledge is a reference for me, you’re a guide on electronic drums recommendations and what you share in this channel, but you should not left out the DWe kit

@65Drums

5 ай бұрын

It's not that deep my guy. At 1:40 I clearly explain that I don't recommend drums with metal electronic cymbals (for stage use), because metal electronic cymbals are pretty loud, and have a higher pitch than rubber cymbals which makes them stand out too much. Depending on your speaker volume and room size, the audience will hear a "ting ting" sound as you play. Metal electronic cymbals are a better fit for studio use where this limitation doesn't matter.

LOL! Justin, you ARE a Roland shill.