I am loving these short and to the point videos! Keep making more!

Chosen because they are clothed in the righteousness of Christ, not clothed in the the righteousness of Christ because they are chosen. Thanks Leighton

@JMRabil675

2 жыл бұрын

In other words, chosen based on their faith, not the other way around

@Pnice971

Жыл бұрын

So you believe that the Sovereign Lord looks down the corridors of time and elects based upon the “free will” of man? In other words- man chooses God first and then God elects them based upon their faith? Please put forth two or three Scriptures which teach your doctrine so I can better understand your theology. Let’s examine your statement mainly that the elect are chosen by God because they are clothed in Christs righteousness. It sounds like you are putting forth the idea that man has the ability to believe in the Gospel first and then God reacts to man’s free will of choosing Him by electing him. Is this true? I begin with the Scriptures. Paul argues that God “loves Jacob” and “hates Esau” BEFORE either one of them did anything good or bad. Believing in the Gospel is a good thing, (wouldn’t you agree?). And if believing is good (which it is) then it follows that God chose Jacob BEFORE he believed the Gospel because it says, “though they were not yet born and had done nothing either good or bad-in order that God’s purpose of election might continue, not because of works but because of him who calls-“ Romans‬ ‭9‬:‭11‬ ‭ESV Gods Sovereign unconditional election which takes place in eternity past is FIRST and happens prior to regeneration and saving faith. So your statement “not clothed in the righteousness of Christ because they are chosen” turns the Scriptures upside down. You are the objector in Romans 9. I will be happy to prove that you and all Arminians are the objectors in Romans 9 if you would like to return. Repent of believing in a false gospel - in a false god - in a false Jesus- in a false holy spirit and believe the one and only true Gospel preached by Jesus and His apostles.

@MarietaTruter

4 ай бұрын

​ Listen how Leighton explain it. He repented because he believed that the Calvinist were right. It was only a lack of knowledge. The gospel is not complicated. Just read it as it is written.

I was set free from so much inner turmoil concerning this… cause of this. Video. THANK YOU

I have to believe God actually really truly wants and desires wholeheartedly for everyone to believe the gospel, or else i cant really have any assurance. Because there are people who fall away or are tares among wheat(false converts). If God chooses some to believe and others not to believe then it would stand to reason he chooses some to be false converts. With all the doubts and backsliding ive done, and my serious thoughts of wanting to not believe sometimes; if thats coming from God then there is no hope for me. But if God is actually truly for me, and He truly desires for me to believe, then i actually CAN admit my own wicked heart of unbelief in departing from the living God, and it means that i truly am able to repent and believe. Im not fighting God to get to Him, He's striving with me to get me to realize that i really do need Him.

The “ elected” is the “ invited”, not the “ entitled”.

@justchilling704

2 жыл бұрын

Indeed, well stated.

@jenex5608

2 жыл бұрын

Indeed

@angloaust1575

2 жыл бұрын

A chosen generation A royal.priesthood It's the fathers good pleasure to give you the kingdom!

@benjaminaugustopintoosorio610

2 жыл бұрын

Not all the "invited"... Only The ones that decide to "dressed up" accordenly

@michaeltorah4002

2 жыл бұрын

No, the elect are the chosen by God, not simply invited. Jesus died for specific people. He didn't die to give these people an opportunity, he died for their sins.

I think the main message of this parable is how Jesus is the only way to God

Such clear teaching! If pastors 20 years ago spoke clearly concerning such matters than I reckon there would be very few Calvinists around today.

@jamesmcalister1383

4 жыл бұрын

Agreed. Well put.

@jamesmcalister1383

4 жыл бұрын

@@MariusVanWoerden Do you consider yourself a Calvinist then?

@gregjay9933

4 жыл бұрын

@@MariusVanWoerden People do study Calvin but they overlook his atrocities.

@jaygee2187

4 жыл бұрын

Marius VanWoerden Calvin’s Geneva was a microcosm of the influence of the Catholic Church over Europe. You could say that the pope had no authority to arrest and detain or execute anyone, either, because the countries of Europe, the duchies, the municipalities had their own governing bodies, princes, monarchs making the decisions. So for you to suggest that Calvin was freeing Europe from the tyranny of the papists is playing both sides; either Calvin had authority that he exerted over against the Catholic Church, or he had no authority and neither did the Catholic Church.

@jaygee2187

4 жыл бұрын

Marius VanWoerden servetus was captured by the inquisition because Calvin told them where he was; Calvin was in cahoots with the Catholics. Yet Servetus escaped. In August 1553 Servetus visited Geneva, and was promptly arrested for having challenged Calvins Institutes, which were regarded by law as infallible in Geneva. Servetus had previously been given a copy of the institutes by Calvin and had written corrections in the margins before sending it back to Calvin. This enraged Calvin and he swore that if Servetus ever entered Geneva he would no leave alive. Servetus was found guilty of being an heretic by the Geneva council. Although Calvin did ask for beheading rather than burning, he accepted the condemnation of Servetus. After the burning Calvin gleefully revelled in the attacks that were made against him for it, stating: “Many people have accused me of such ferocious cruelty that (they allege) I would like to kill again the man I have destroyed. Not only am I indifferent to their comments, but I rejoice in the fact that they spit in my face.” Elsewhere Calvin said, “Whoever shall now contend that it is unjust to put heretics and blasphemers to death will knowingly and willingly incur their very guilt.” Calvin Himself takes credit proudly for destroying Servetus. I’ve learned by engaging in discussions with you that your view of history is heavily biased; my guess is you read reformed propaganda exclusively and deliberately so as to avoid the inconvenience of truth.

Fantastic! Thanks Leighton!

I understand and appreciate the longer videos that take the words of other teachers and directly juxtapose the alternative interpretation. I think these are fruitful for seminary students and when lay persons recognize their need to understand this doctrine more clearly and are ready to invest an hour plus to understand the teachings. But, Leighton you are hitting he sweet spot with the short videos that give clear teaching and allow the "Average" person who doesn't even recognize or question the TULIP teachings they are hearing from others. These are critical and important part of your teaching ministry. Both are needed.

Yeah! More short videos! 10min or less nuggets.

@JonathanGrandt

4 жыл бұрын

Not that I don’t love the super long ones. I drive for a living and I listen as I drive. But my wife won’t sit here and listen for an hour and a half lol.

@DS-ll5fn

3 жыл бұрын

@@JonathanGrandt same as my situation!

Loving these short, pack-a-punch videos Leighton! Do know that you indeed are not only teaching, but also edifying the Body by showing us how loving our God truly is.

@heathereads9594

Жыл бұрын

Me, too. I have a difficult time following the longer videos but these short ones have given me so much hope!

Magnificient from a fellow bible teacher and servant. God bless you richly sir.

Jesus told him, “I am the way, the truth, and the life. No one can come to the Father except through me.

Wonderful!!! You have such a gift for pulling together the totality of scripture and synthesizing in a way that makes sense. You don’t have to appeal to “mystery” to explain “contradictory” verses regarding soteriology. When read in context, there is no contradiction. 👍

@allentomas3417

4 жыл бұрын

really, no eternal torment, no tri-gods syndrome, no living dead, all ave 9 manifestations of holy spirit, God's gift to all believers, and many more misconcepts, via traditions that have no biblical foundation

@brianrush7065

4 жыл бұрын

I didn't hear a "totality of scripture" presented here. He failed to mention such passages of scripture where jesus says that one must be born again before he can enter the kingdom of God (Jn 3:3); that those who believe are not born of the will of the flesh, nor of the will of man, but of God (Jn 1:12, 13); that the decision of God to whom He will show mercy is not of him who wills it, nor of him who runs, but of God (Ro 9:15, 16) (and one cannot pretend that Paul is here speaking of nations, for in the very next verse he references the individual, Pharaoh, and a statement made by God to him alone in Exodus); and many others littered throughout the NT, not mention all of the statements found in the OT. the evidence is overwhelming that man has no part to play in his salvation or in his election. The responsibility of men is to work out their salvation with fear and trembling, because it is God who works in them both to will and to do of his good pleasure. I hope this helps in your search for the truth. The answers are very present if one but seeks earnestly with a sincere heart to know the truth. Love in Christ.

@thomasthepromise8430

4 жыл бұрын

@@brianrush7065 all the scripture passages you cite have context, and removing them from those respective contexts like you are doing creates confusion. No orthodox Christian believes he/she has any work to do in salvation, as the Bible is clear salvation is all God's work. The problem lies with the false dichotomy presented by Calvinism that God's sovereign will excludes man's ability to choose, the very ability endowed upon him by His Creator. Your view of God's sovereignty is that for Him to be sovereign means He must exercise absolute control, but such a view is shortsighted and fails to grasp the provisional aspect of sovereignty. You believe it steals from God's glory to suggest that man can choose or reject God's gift of salvation, but the Bible teaches that God is most glorified when He causes all the good and bad consequences of man's choices to work together and glorify Himself...without dictating it all. THAT...is what sovereignty means. Who is more powerful? A god that must dictate the whims and choices of people as though they are puppets, or THE God who can bestow upon His creation the ability to choose, then work through, around, and with those choices, and ultimately cause it all to glorify Himself? Now I know that by stripping a portion of Romans 3 from its context (and some other passages as well), you're going to retort that man is incapable of choosing God, but this is because you fail to understand the power of the gospel of Jesus Christ. Paul leads off his whole letter to the Romans with the declaration of the gospel's power to save people (Rom. 1:16-17), thus setting the context for the rest of the letter. Paul goes on to say that man (even in his fallen state) is "without excuse (Rom. 1:18-19)" if he fails to respond to God's glorious gift of salvation, because the gospel is powerful enough to bring awareness even to a soul under the death sentence of sin. Only proof-texted scripture can lead to the conclusion that man is incapable of responding to God. Moving into Romans 2 (by the way, what we're doing is called exegesis), Paul declares in verses 15-16 that man's conscience is further proof of 1) God's existence and 2) man's ability to respond to him. You and I both know "good people" who are not Christians. By "good", I mean they don't commit acts of atrocity. They don't murder, steal, or even lie. They are of high moral character, but they're as spiritually lost as a goose, because the "righteous standard" Paul mentions in Romans 3 that they must measure up to is not man's, but God's. But the fact that they have the ability to make good, moral choices is proof that they are capable of responding to God's gift of salvation once they hear the good news, because "faith comes from hearing, that is, hearing the Good News about Christ." (Rom. 10:17) Thus, the sin-bound heart becomes capable of responding to God. I know you've been formulating your response while you've been reading this, so I challenge you to go back and read it again before you respond. But please take your Augustinian glasses first, turn off the John Piper podcast playing in the background, and sincerely ask God if there is some truth you're not hearing from the Calvinistic echo chamber in which you live. You asked rlbisme to search with a sincere heart, so it's only fair if you do the same. Love in Christ.

@DS-ll5fn

3 жыл бұрын

@@thomasthepromise8430 Agree! Some people are very afraid of taking their Augustinian glasses off...so much defending a gnostic/ stoic " Christianity which started with Augustin, in stead of really going back to Jesus and the Apostles...

@rogeraraujo502

2 жыл бұрын

@@thomasthepromise8430 great response. A limited view on God's sovereignty is so spot on. God's wisdom, knowledge, power and purposes are undeterred by man's choice. He integrates and works all things together for His purposes. Glory be to Him!

Simple yet so informative. I would like to see more of theses videos in the future.

Thanks Leighton 👍

Thank you for this short and clear videos. Precise and concise. I love them.

Love this one! This is the God I serve! Anyone can come but not all are willing!

Clear, Simple, Awesome Gospel Presentation

A lot of souls will be saved with videos such as these.

I didn’t know Leighton could do anything this just. Just teasing with you Leighton. I really appreciate your work.

Glory To GOD!!! Thank you Leighton!

Very clear, simple and precise. Thank you very much brother Leighton and God bless you more!

Excellent video! God bless you

Almost at 20K subs Leighton. Great to see the steady growth! When you hit 25K it will get a lot easier to grow.

I love these short snippets. Thanks and may God continue to work through you.

excellent Dr Flowers

Keep up working for the Lord

Keep up the good work Leighton

This short video format is great, especially for quick sharing! Keep it up.

Amen Leighton 👊

Well done!! God bless.

Very clear, thanks again

Takes unconditional election to a whole new level. Good thing, otherwise there would be none at the wedding.

Love the short video format.

Excellent!!!

I love your "shorts". I can't always listen to your hours long videos but I can watch these shorter ones, get something out of them and I love them. Thank you!

Absolutely outstanding video on Election! Thank you, Dr. Flowers!

Great points as always!

Thank you Dr. Flowers for such a very important video. I've never been a Calvanist--and I never will. It doesn't add up Biblically to me, and that settles it. Your teaching is excellent, and greatly helps me to defend my beliefs much more. Thank you so much.

@russellnewton1229

4 жыл бұрын

*Calvinist

PREACH IT BROTHER!

@Pnice971

5 ай бұрын

You rejoice in the false gospel message of heretics like Flowers because you desire to have your ears tickled with free will. You wander off from the truth because you do not have ears to hear or eyes to see. ”For the time is coming when people will not endure sound teaching, but having itching ears they will accumulate for themselves teachers to suit their own passions, and will turn away from listening to the truth and wander off into myths.“ ‭‭2 Timothy‬ ‭4‬:‭3‬-‭4‬ ‭ESV‬‬

I got it now.

I was once agnostic and probably leaned more towards atheism to be honest....I was often surrounded by many professing Christian people and even sat through church sermons completely unmoved....Through a series of events, at the age of 42, I hit rock bottom. In the bedroom of my home, I reached out to a God that I didn't even believe in. In that very moment God's spirit fell upon me and it was as if a bucket of ice water had been thrown on me! It took my breath away! God "literally" spoke to me that day! Very specific words that were spoken from somewhere within me. I was confused about my life's circumstances but God was pointing me to Christ. That experience changed my life and it changed me from the inside out.....What happened that day wasn't something that I did. God did that! I am completely humbled as to why on earth He "chose" me that morning but "He" did! I have seen MANY others seek after God "including myself" and seemingly nothing at all happen in their lives. I don't understand it all but am searching for truth....I don't consider myself to be a hard lined Calvinist but I have come to believe there is a degree of truth within Calvinism.....Not from what I've been taught but from my experiences.

@Monday2705

3 жыл бұрын

You wrote that “you reached out”... that means you turned toward God- you exercised your ability to have a mustard seed sized faith - and God saves you! He did 100% of the work. Remember, your act of trust in God (faith) is NOT a work, God gets ALL the credit for saving us. We are nothing without Him.

@bobbiescales3949

2 жыл бұрын

I had a very similar experience in the quiet of my bedroom. But what I remember is that I sincerely and humbly asked. Later I read that God will not reject a humble plea. What I learned is that our Heavenly Father is true to His Word. I am so thankful that despite all my wondering, He didn't reject me. To learn that all of Heaven rejoices over 1 repentant sinner clears up all the cobwebs.

@jesusrocks2661

Жыл бұрын

We take a step, but God completes the work. Whoever seeks will find Him. God hears us when we pray and cry out to Him. He didn't randomly choose to save us more than our neighbor. He wants all men to be saved. However, God gave us the free will to choose this day whom we will serve, setting before us life and death, blessing and curse. We can either accept or reject Jesus. God will let us make our choice. Not because He's not all powerful, but because He wants us to love him with all our heart, mind, and soul. He is the one who can give us a new heart and when we become born again we are no longer slaves to sin. Our flesh is still at war with the Holy Spirit within us, but we can now pick up our cross and die daily to sin. We become God's children. Grafted into the vine. Not because we deserve it but because He loves us. And we can then love because He first loved us. Deuteronomy 30:19 I call heaven and earth to witness against you today, that I have set before you life and death, blessing and curse. Therefore choose life, that you and your offspring may live, Joshua 24:15 And if it is evil in your eyes to serve the LORD, choose this day whom you will serve, whether the gods your fathers served in the region beyond the River, or the gods of the Amorites in whose land you dwell. But as for me and my house, we will serve the LORD.

@lindadodd3829

3 ай бұрын

Jeremiah 29:11-13

@tannerfrancisco8759

Ай бұрын

MtBikeJockey, you did exactly what the Bible says to do to be saved. That is not the unbiblical doctrine of God arbitrarily choosing you for salvation, which is what Calvinism teaches and the fruit of which is religious pride. You sincerely and humbly cried out to the Lord and He answered. You came to the end of yourself and had nothing else left that you could do at all, except to appeal to God's promise in exactly the way he calls us to. We usually don't understand it theologically when it happens and if you happen to come across calvinist's teaching explaining why your experience was that way you're going to latch on to that as the truth. Except that's exactly how the false Holy spirit in Calvinism works to deceive immature Christians into becoming Calvinists. Nobody gets saved by Calvinism--it is a parasite within Christianity which recruits converts from immature, intellectually carnal genuine Christians and the religiously prideful false convert alike. It leads genuine Christians into aposty and false converts into a stronger cage of false religion. As a new, immature, or even just unspiritual Christian, It is easy to be led astray by wolves in sheep's clothing because you do have a humble heart and are desperately seeking an explanation for what is happening to you, but that also makes you a prime candidate for deception. Rather than going after John MacArthur sermons directed at his cult or being discipled by another unspiritual Christian or outright false convert, you need to first be discipled by the Holy Spirit. You need that intimacy and fellowship with the Holy Spirit to learn to hear The Shepherd's voice and grow in faith and trust in the Holy Spirit so that you aren't led astray by ungodly teaching and other spirits, other shepherds, thieves in the night. So what I would encourage you to do first and foremost is seek the Holy Spirit and exercise that faith muscle to grow strong and obedient--learn to walk with the Spirit and hear His voice. Pray, study your Bible, and commune constantly with the Spirit. If the Holy Spirit tells you to go lay hands on a random person at the grocery store and pray for them to be healed, you humble yourself and do it, you believe they will be healed, and they will. Learn to hear the Holy Spirit in the moment and to act in obedience on it. Then find a Spirit-filled mentor to disciple you that actually has the genuine fruits of the spirit and can be a spiritual father to you even if they're younger than you are. If they are actually Spirit-led, they won't lead you into deception or make you follow them as their cult leader. But the single biggest thing that the church today is missing is intimacy with the Holy Spirit and it's why so many get led astray. We're a body of Christ that is 99.99% carnal Christians who are still soulish--intellectually carnally minded with no ear for the Holy Spirit.

Excellent video thank you so much

@Pnice971

5 ай бұрын

How do you deal with a text like this ? You will run from it as fast as you can 😅 because you live the false gospel ”But we ought always to give thanks to God for you, brothers beloved by the Lord, because God chose you as the firstfruits to be saved, through sanctification by the Spirit and belief in the truth. To this he called you through our gospel, so that you may obtain the glory of our Lord Jesus Christ.“ ‭‭2 Thessalonians‬ ‭2‬:‭13‬-‭14‬ ‭ESV‬‬

Edifying

Very edifying!

@Pnice971

5 ай бұрын

Ploomb- here is some sovereign unconditional election that will certainly edify the elect and harden the unbelievers like yourself. Notice immediately how you reject this text. This is how you know you are an unbeliever. ”But we ought always to give thanks to God for you, brothers beloved by the Lord, because God chose you as the firstfruits to be saved, through sanctification by the Spirit and belief in the truth. To this he called you through our gospel, so that you may obtain the glory of our Lord Jesus Christ.“ ‭‭2 Thessalonians‬ ‭2‬:‭13‬-‭14‬ ‭ESV‬‬

@ploomb1180

5 ай бұрын

@@Pnice971 I'll have to watch this video again as I have no idea why you're saying this. I'll reply back properly once I've watched this again.

Great breakdown

Thank you for these shorter videos! I can listen more often now. However, the music to this video was very distracting.

Well said

Nice video, but I will have to watch 20 times to get it.

Leighton, we are told by John what the white robe signifies, Revelation 19:6-8 Then I heard what seemed to be the voice of a great multitude, like the roar of many waters and like the sound of mighty peals of thunder, crying out, “Hallelujah! For the Lord our God the Almighty reigns. Let us rejoice and exult and give him the glory, for the marriage of the Lamb has come, and his Bride has made herself ready; it was granted her to clothe herself with fine linen, bright and pure”- for the fine linen is the righteous deeds of the saints.

@coltonbosse58

Жыл бұрын

KJV has a better translation of that last sentence

Well done!

Great vid!

Can you do video series like John Piper does where he answers questions about theology and practical living. I love the polemical content, but it would also be awesome to hear how Provisionalism informs our Ora ticks Christian life

Yeah, this video is solid

@Pnice971

5 ай бұрын

How solid is this text Damien ? ”But we ought always to give thanks to God for you, brothers beloved by the Lord, because God chose you as the firstfruits to be saved, through sanctification by the Spirit and belief in the truth. To this he called you through our gospel, so that you may obtain the glory of our Lord Jesus Christ.“ ‭‭2 Thessalonians‬ ‭2‬:‭13‬-‭14‬ ‭ESV‬‬

I am so desperate to know the truth. I am a calvinist but I still struggle and only because I receive so much hate for it. I love Dr. Flowers and I am praying that if I'm wrong about Calvinism that I would be corrected by God as I study his word. I didn't start out this way; in fact, I hated the doctrine of election. But once I did accept it, everyone around me, including my wife, lost faith in me. If I'm wrong about calvinism I'll repent of it. I just haven't found anything else that makes sense. I'm not a smart man, so I don't put faith in my own understanding. I'm trying to trust God and let him lead.

@Do_not_at_me_bro

2 жыл бұрын

Trust in the Lord with all your heart and lean not on your own understanding, acknowledge Him in all your ways and He will make your paths straight. We disobeyed God, Jesus took away our disobedience and took the punishment for us, God no longer has a reason to punish us. Put your faith in the gospel because it's good news, which means it happened, and you will know the truth and the truth shall set you free

@michaeltorah4002

2 жыл бұрын

I think your on the right track. Calvinism seems true to me as well. 2 Thes 2:14 holds the most weight

@edsnyder2801

Жыл бұрын

Predestination and election are both inseparable from the preaching of Jesus Christ according to the revelation of the mystery of the Gospel. Follow the True Jesus of the Bible! Know the Doctrine Of Christ! It is The Doctrine Of Christ that Paul uses to bring Us (THE CHURCH), unto the unity of the faith, also in whom the whole family in heaven and earth is named! Don't fall for the great lie that Jesus bought the ordained false prophets with His Precious Blood. No, Jesus openly and publicly called these people out for who they truly were! They were of their father the devil! Jesus can't lie! You must first learn the Doctrine Of Christ. Matthew 1:21 And she shall bring forth a son, and thou shalt call His name Jesus; for He shall save His People from their sins. Jesus called these religious leaders out for who they truly were. And Jesus straight up told these evil men that they were not His sheep. And still these false prophets and the many that follow them are speaking evil of The Way Of The Truth (Jesus), All in the name of John Calvin!

@1991kthompson

Жыл бұрын

Hold fast to truth! Not Calvinism, but the Bible! The truth of the Bible is plainly written and by God’s grace he reveals it to HIS CHILDREN. HE does the work. So continue in your understanding and keep seeking ❤️ I have a 28 session gospel series that might be of help/interest from a “non-scholarly” Normal people kind of view to help understand these passages. By God’s grace I am able to speak God’s truth and glorify Him and His son and Spirit. ❤️❤️❤️

@casenswartz7278

Жыл бұрын

I’m kinda the same as you, not everyone lost faith in me, but lots definitely have, it hurts, but I see the Bible clearly teaches that God chooses us unconditionally and that we will be saved. It’s uncomfortable sure, but I won’t change my view because I’m hated for it. If I’m wrong, I’ll grow, if I’m right, then I thank God every day for the powerful grace He has.

Excellent explanation of what 'The Chosen" means !

@Pnice971

5 ай бұрын

You mean Excellent teaching of heresy. Here we have Paul teaching the same doctrine of Gods sovereign unconditional election in 2 Thess and there is no way of twisting the scripture to mean anything else other than CHOSEN TO SALVATION. Flowers is a heretic and twists the scriptures in Romans 9 is he does almost every passage. ”But we ought always to give thanks to God for you, brothers beloved by the Lord, because God chose you as the firstfruits to be saved, through sanctification by the Spirit and belief in the truth. To this he called you through our gospel, so that you may obtain the glory of our Lord Jesus Christ.“ ‭‭2 Thessalonians‬ ‭2‬:‭13‬-‭14‬ ‭ESV‬‬

"The" many are called, but "a" few are chosen. What choice did Peter have when he was "called"? (Naw, man I'd rather be a fisherman.) What choice did Paul have? (Naw, Lord, I'm not sure it's really you.) Good job to Dr. Flowers for taking on this parable, which in fact does have everything to do with election, and has the primary meaning of contrasting the two covenants, old and new. But all parables work on many levels.

Wow

short, biblical, simple, clear, true... Where can we find french material on provisionism ? Thank you

@cmk5724

Жыл бұрын

Someone is going to have to do the work of translating it.

can you make a compilation of verses that calvinists usually use and explain the non calvinist interpretatiom of those verses?

Thank you for making this video. These questions come to mind regarding those granted entrance into the banquet: Are the overcomers in Revelation 2-3 conquering by election? Do we walk out our salvation with fear and trembling by election? Are the wise virgins wise by election? Or do the righteous live by faith (Revelation 19:8)?

@Pnice971

7 ай бұрын

Sounds like you are boasting in man’s free will. You seem to believe that “saving faith” is produced within the human heart, as if entering the banquet is man’s free will choice. Your teaching along with Flowers- is exactly the opposite of what the Scriptures teach. Saving faith is the gift of God and no one can come to Jesus Christ (which means believing in Jesus) unless the Father draws him (which means regenerates the human heart/ circumcision of the heart) [see John 6:44]. There is no boasting in believing in the sovereign unconditional election of God. “For by grace you have been saved through faith. And this is not your own doing; it is the gift of God, not a result of works, so that no one may boast.” ‭‭Ephesians‬ ‭2‬:‭8‬-‭9‬ ‭ESV‬‬ Your teaching of man’s free will is absolutely “boasting” in the works of man. Repent and believe the Gospel!

@BrotherInChrist

7 ай бұрын

@@Pnice971 Thank you for your reply, Pnice. I am boasting in Christ; grace is the power to overcome. Please share with us your born-again experience... Blessings

@Pnice971

7 ай бұрын

You define the biblical word “grace” as the power to overcome. Once again you define biblical words incorrectly. There is no Greek scholar that would ever define it as you do. You can’t just define biblical words any way you feel like. Strongs defines χάρις= grace as Definition: grace, kindness Usage: (a) grace, as a gift or blessing brought to man by Jesus Christ, (b) favor, (c) gratitude, thanks, (d) a favor, kindness. The biblical grace especially here in Ephesians 2:8 is God pouring out saving grace an unmerited favor of saving His elect by granting the gift of grace and faith, and this gift of saving grace and saving faith is NOT a result of human works in any way, shape or form. No one is arguing that the conquerors are conquering by election. Why are you trying to make it sound like I believe this? This is called a “straw man argument”. No one believes that the believer works out his own salvation with fear and trembling by election. Your question is nonsensical. It’s a straw man argument. And no one believes that the virgins are wise by election. Straw man argument- your points are ridiculous. You are not arguing against sovereign unconditional election. The righteous live by faith in the Son of God. This is what we believe and what we teach and what we defend. How Jehovah brought me from death to life is of no concern. All that matters is the Gospel. Flowers is a false teacher and you should heed the words of Christ and run from him. Let’s discuss Romans 9 and sovereign unconditional election and reprobation because this is the dividing line

@jjphank

7 ай бұрын

Paul said “follow my example as I follow Christ“ no, he wasn’t bragging, he bled for Christ like getting beat up ! Paul says -We Are to go thru many hardships to inherit the kingdom of God , as he declared we all will acts 14:22, so this is the Christian life. If you don’t live like that, you’re not doing it correctly and you’re getting it backwards cause heaven is when we get to kick back and do what we want to do, right now we’re to serve the Lord with fervor. So witness to 3 to 5 people a day, put a number on it between you and God, and do the great commission not a great omission. Matthew 28:16-20 This will strengthen your faith Also! if you’re faithful w small things you’ll be faced with bigger things later, as Jesus said. ! Store up treasures in heaven for yourselves. You cannot go back in time, so forget about the past and go now and be bold and God will be with you Making you stronger in him ! Moses, Joseph, Paul, David’s mighty men; all had small beginnings just like we do !

@DoubleAJ-cl5qq

7 ай бұрын

@@jjphankYou don’t believe the Gospel That it is Jesus Christ’s work and person alone that makes the difference in salvation without any effort or work from the sinner.He bought and paid for His people with His Atoning shed blood and His imputed righteousness. You believe you make the difference with your decision to believe in a false gospel that salvation is conditioned on the sinner and because of this belief your work and effort are works leading unto death You are still in the flesh Roman’s 7:5 For when we were in the flesh, the passions of sin were working in our members through the law for the bearing of fruit unto death. Remember those found in the book of life were bought and paid for and they because of His work for and in them will love Him and keep His commandments Jesus Christ will not lose one the Father gives.

One question that has never been answered to my satisfaction by Arminians or Provisionists is Why does one person believe the Gospel (Providing we are focusing on the true biblical Gospel) and another person does not? Sovereign Grace doctrine answers the question from scripture; but Arminians, Provisionists and similar doctrines haven’t answered to my satisfaction?

I also appreciate and enjoy these teachings and videos. What did I miss about the reference to twins in this one? I can’t see how that fit in? 🤔

@Pnice971

5 ай бұрын

How do you feel with a text like this one? God chooses His elect unto SALVATION! ”But we ought always to give thanks to God for you, brothers beloved by the Lord, because God chose you as the firstfruits to be saved, through sanctification by the Spirit and belief in the truth. To this he called you through our gospel, so that you may obtain the glory of our Lord Jesus Christ.“ ‭‭2 Thessalonians‬ ‭2‬:‭13‬-‭14‬ ‭ESV‬‬ You hate this doctrine and because you reject it you prove you are an unbeliever

Good morning, Dr. Flowers. Last week, in your "Biblical Election: 3 Views" video, you said Pharaoh and Judas were elect. How do they fit into the narrative presented in this video? Were they the elect of God, spoken of by Paul throughout the New Testament, and therefore saved? Are they in Heaven? Also, could we get some references for who, throughout church history, taught this "4 types of election" perspective on the Wedding Banquet in Matthew 22 and where it was taught? Also, you say here in this video that the 4th choice (presumably by God, and presumably unto salvation) is unconditional. But in your "Unconditional Choice?" video (6/1/19), you say that salvation IS conditioned, and that the condition that must first be met is that we exercise faith ("We must believe"). I'm a little confused on this point as well. Thanks!!

@Soteriology101

4 жыл бұрын

Unconditional regarding their morality. Faith is still required.

@everytingYay

3 жыл бұрын

Bro, you just exposed this guy

@crewsmitty4495

3 жыл бұрын

Dr. Flowers loves to confuse and cause descent among the believers. I don't understand why he does that.

@Do_not_at_me_bro

2 жыл бұрын

@@everytingYay Truth doesn't mind being questioned

Awesome explanation. Goes against what the Calvinist think.

I would love to help to translate the content to the people in Brazil. Please help them!

@Pnice971

7 ай бұрын

Alex- Leighton Flowers is a false teacher and is teaching the lies of satan. It’s good that this false doctrine is not able to reach the Brazilian people. Only the Gospel is the power of God to save all His people. Have your friends and family read Romans because true faith comes by hearing the Gospel, and hearing of the Gospel comes by the Word of God

PLEASE, I NEED THIS MESSAGES ON SPANISH, CAN YOU TRANSLATE?

Hello, could you please explain to me these verses from 1st John 3:6-9 I dont understand how can we understand that the one who is born of God, does not sin, for his seed is in us, but we do sin, dont we? What does it mean? What kind of sinning does it talk about? Im really confused, could you help me please? It says that if we do sin, we dont know God, if we sin, means that we dont know Him? I really dont understand how to understand this, please help. Thanks in advance. Love your channel by the way, be blessed. Augustinas.

@Chris-here

4 жыл бұрын

John is speaking of the Devine nature we received when we were saved ("His seed") . It's the "Perfected forever.." of Heb. 10:4, and the "It is no longer I who sin..." from Paul in Rom. 7:14-25. Some translations erroneously add extra terms into the passage like "continue sinning" and "practices sinning", but the tense is present without continual action.

@isanna6075

4 жыл бұрын

Great question, I've had problems with these passages too so you're not the only one.

@isanna6075

4 жыл бұрын

@@Chris-here could you expand a little bit more Chris, thanks 👍

@evanu6579

4 жыл бұрын

Augustinas Pucinskas As Christians we are under the law of Christ.... Gal 6: 2 Bear ye one another's burdens, and so fulfil the law of Christ. Jesus gave Commandments of love.... Jhn 13: 34 A new commandment I give unto you, That ye love one another; as I have loved you, that ye also love one another. 35 By this shall all men know that ye are my disciples, if ye have love one to another. Jhn 15: 10 If ye keep my commandments, ye shall abide in my love; even as I have kept my Father's commandments, and abide in his love. 11 ¶ These things have I spoken unto you, that my joy might remain in you, and that your joy might be full. 12 This is my commandment, That ye love one another, as I have loved you. 13 Greater love hath no man than this, that a man lay down his life for his friends. That’s what I believe John is speaking of in 1Jhn.... 1Jhn 3: 10 ¶ In this the children of God are manifest, and the children of the devil: whosoever doeth not righteousness is not of God, neither he that loveth not his brother. 11 For this is the message that ye heard from the beginning, that we should love one another. 14 We know that we have passed from death unto life, because we love the brethren. He that loveth not his brother abideth in death. 15 Whosoever hateth his brother is a murderer: and ye know that no murderer hath eternal life abiding in him. 16 ¶ Hereby perceive we the love of God, because he laid down his life for us: and we ought to lay down our lives for the brethren. 22 And whatsoever we ask, we receive of him, because we keep his commandments, and do those things that are pleasing in his sight. 23 And this is his commandment, That we should believe on the name of his Son Jesus Christ, and love one another, as he gave us commandment. 24 ¶ And he that keepeth his commandments dwelleth in him, and he in him. And hereby we know that he abideth in us, by the Spirit which he hath given us. This is what Jesus will judge the world by.... Matt 25: 34 Then shall the King say unto them on his right hand, Come, ye blessed of my Father, inherit the kingdom prepared for you from the foundation of the world: 35 For I was an hungred, and ye gave me meat: I was thirsty, and ye gave me drink: I was a stranger, and ye took me in: 36 Naked, and ye clothed me: I was sick, and ye visited me: I was in prison, and ye came unto me. 37 ¶ Then shall the righteous answer him, saying, Lord, when saw we thee an hungred, and fed thee? or thirsty, and gave thee drink? 38 When saw we thee a stranger, and took thee in? or naked, and clothed thee? 39 Or when saw we thee sick, or in prison, and came unto thee? 40 And the King shall answer and say unto them, Verily I say unto you, Inasmuch as ye have done it unto one of the least of these my brethren, ye have done it unto me. 41 ¶ Then shall he say also unto them on the left hand, Depart from me, ye cursed, into everlasting fire, prepared for the devil and his angels: 42 For I was an hungred, and ye gave me no meat: I was thirsty, and ye gave me no drink: (1Jhn 3: 17 But whoso hath this world's good, and seeth his brother have need, and shutteth up his bowels of compassion from him, how dwelleth the love of God in him? 18 ¶ My little children, let us not love in word, neither in tongue; but in deed and in truth. 19 And hereby we know that we are of the truth, and shall assure our hearts before him.) So if we don’t love the brethren, we are sinning. That’s the law we are under. Rather than following the letter of the law, we follow the Spirit which God has given to those who are His.... Gal 5: 18 But if ye be led of the Spirit, ye are not under the law. 19 ¶ Now the works of the flesh are manifest, which are these; Adultery, fornication, uncleanness, lasciviousness, 20 Idolatry, witchcraft, hatred, variance, emulations, wrath, strife, seditions, heresies, 21 Envyings, murders, drunkenness, revellings, and such like: of the which I tell you before, as I have also told you in time past, that they which do such things shall not inherit the kingdom of God. 22 ¶ But the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, longsuffering, gentleness, goodness, faith, 23 Meekness, temperance: against such there is no law. The entire old covenant law is done away with if you’re in Christ. We follow the Spirit instead. It’s all about love... Rom 13: 8 ¶ Owe no man any thing, but to love one another: for he that loveth another hath fulfilled the law. 9 For this, Thou shalt not commit adultery, Thou shalt not kill, Thou shalt not steal, Thou shalt not bear false witness, Thou shalt not covet; and if there be any other commandment, it is briefly comprehended in this saying, namely, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself. 10 Love worketh no ill to his neighbour: therefore love is the fulfilling of the law. 2Cor 3: 6 Who also hath made us able ministers of the new testament; not of the letter, but of the spirit: for the letter killeth, but the spirit giveth life. 7 ¶ But if the ministration of death, written and engraven in stones, was glorious, so that the children of Israel could not stedfastly behold the face of Moses for the glory of his countenance; which glory was to be done away: 8 How shall not the ministration of the spirit be rather glorious? 9 For if the ministration of condemnation be glory, much more doth the ministration of righteousness exceed in glory. 10 For even that which was made glorious had no glory in this respect, by reason of the glory that excelleth. 11 For if that which is done away was glorious, much more that which remaineth is glorious. 12 ¶ Seeing then that we have such hope, we use great plainness of speech: 13 And not as Moses, which put a vail over his face, that the children of Israel could not stedfastly look to the end of that which is abolished: 1Tim 1: 5 Now the end of the commandment is charity out of a pure heart, and of a good conscience, and of faith unfeigned: 6 From which some having swerved have turned aside unto vain jangling; 7 Desiring to be teachers of the law; understanding neither what they say, nor whereof they affirm. 8 ¶ But we know that the law is good, if a man use it lawfully; 9 Knowing this, that the law is not made for a righteous man, but for the lawless and disobedient, for the ungodly and for sinners, for unholy and profane, for murderers of fathers and murderers of mothers, for manslayers, 10 For whoremongers, for them that defile themselves with mankind, for menstealers, for liars, for perjured persons, and if there be any other thing that is contrary to sound doctrine; I believe that this is the sin that John was speaking of. God bless.

@Mark-oo3om

4 жыл бұрын

Some people of the day thought by sinning more, they could be forgiven more or be given more grace. Verse 4 and 7 speak of practicing sin, we're not to be practicing sin. On the flip side, 1 John 1:8 says "If we have no sin, we are deceiving ourselves." If we slip up, we have an advocate. It's the people who were practicing sin, who supposedly called themselves believers, who were the problem.

If you want to have some fun answer this question. Why would Peter not call on his life long friends and brother who were enjoying the safety of the boat but instead call on a man who he had just met who Himself was standing on water to save him?

@Pnice971

7 ай бұрын

Because Peter was given ears to hear and eyes to see that Jesus is the Jewish Messiah. Why would he call upon man to save him, when he can call upon his creator - the Lord of Lords and the King of Kings.

@Pnice971

7 ай бұрын

Your turn to answer a question. Why was the objector objecting in Romans 9?

so listening to Layton flowers, describe his interpretation of the Scriptures, which I thank you for not sure if I totally agree or not but I do have a question that question is what about Romans nine you didn’t really answer the question about Jacob and Esau you kind of inferred that Esau I didn’t love so much, but Jacob I loved a lot more, and that could be very well be with a literal translation of that text reads. The question I have is, was it not God’s divine election, his sovereign decision, that Jacob or Esau had no part in influencing the outcome. In the passage out of Romans nine, Paul tells the man who asks his questions and challenges God‘s privilege in a divine selection “what are you oh man?” another way of phrasing that question is who do you think you are to challenge the decision the choice, the selection, the conclusion, and the outcome of what God wanted. Another question would be, “who do you think you are”

@Pnice971

7 ай бұрын

Danny- you are definitely understanding Paul’s argument of sovereign unconditional election and reprobation in Romans 9. The objector in Romans 9 is Leighton Flowers and anyone who rejects this doctrine. God loved Jacob and hated Esau in eternity past BEFORE they did anything good or bad. God chooses to mercy His elect and He chooses to harden the reprobate. Flowers will never defend his heresy because he can’t - the Word of God is sharper than any two edged sword.

There seems to be a misunderstanding on what unconditional election actually means. You say it’s unconditional, but then adds condition onto why one is elected. This is conditional election.

@Pnice971

7 ай бұрын

I’m glad you are listening closely casenswartz7278. Soverign unconditional election and reprobation is based solely on God’s choice in eternity past and is never conditioned on something the creature does or doesn’t do. As it is written “though they (Jacob whom God loved and Esau whom God hated) were not yet born and had done nothing either good or bad-in order that God’s purpose of election might continue, not because of works but because of him who calls-” ‭‭Romans‬ ‭9‬:‭11‬ ‭ESV‬‬ This false teacher (Flowers) turns the Scriptures upside down and just like Satan, he changes the Words of God to mean the exact opposite of what God has said.

Can you make a video explaining Matt 20:48 and Mark 10:45? " to give his life as a ransom for many"?

@Pnice971

5 ай бұрын

Stop listening to the false teacher Jesus called a bad tree who can only produce bad fruit. Jesus atoned for His chosen people called the elect. 2 Thess says God CHOSE you (the elect) to be saved. John 6 says that only the ones that the Father gives to the Son will come to Him and be raised up on the last day. ”But we ought always to give thanks to God for you, brothers beloved by the Lord, because God chose you as the firstfruits to be saved, through sanctification by the Spirit and belief in the truth. To this he called you through our gospel, so that you may obtain the glory of our Lord Jesus Christ.“ ‭‭2 Thessalonians‬ ‭2‬:‭13‬-‭14‬ ‭ESV‬‬

@makemoneynow8690

5 ай бұрын

This refers to "the beginning" of Paul's ministry w/ them. They weren't sure of their salvation so Paul encourages them their "faith" & "Sanctification of the Holy Spirit" secures their salvation. I suggest you stop using poor translations. KJV is more accurate. You have been indoctrinated by Calvinist heresies@@Pnice971

In your statement of faith it says that repentance is a genuine turning from sin. Can you explain you views on this? Is it the condition and if so, how can you turn from what you are? The cross takes care of that in my view of scripture. Or do you mean the act of sinning in which case: 1 John 3:4 [4]Whosoever committeth sin transgresseth also the law: for sin is the transgression of the law. That would be front loading works to the Gospel. My BLB say repent is translated from metanioa and it means "Change of mind". I only see repent and believe once in the Bible and Im not thoroughly convinced that this verse is just about salvation, but it may have to do with the Jews killing their messiah and the availability of the Kingdom coming at that time.

The mystery of salvation

@Pnice971

7 ай бұрын

There is no mystery as to how God saves His elect. The only mystery is WHO is God electing. It’s not for us to know, this is why we preach the Gospel to everyone without distinction, we preach it to ourselves everyday!

Does God choose us first, or do we choose God first ?

@gk.4102

2 жыл бұрын

There are many choices. Which one are you referring to?

@michaeltorah4002

2 жыл бұрын

He chooses us first according to scripture

I think the problem with Calvin starts in his conception of God as being chiefly punitive instead of chiefly Love.

Election is the manner of salvation

If your idea of election is a means to salvation, then it's wrong. Blessings and service = election.

@jamesmcalister1383

4 жыл бұрын

Service? You mean like... works?

@nathanwall2808

4 жыл бұрын

@@jamesmcalister1383 Did I say works?

@jamesmcalister1383

4 жыл бұрын

@@nathanwall2808 Semantics... Can you provide an example of the service you were referring to? Also, when you mentioned blessings, were you talking about God blessing us, or us blessing others?

I thank my Lord Jesus Christ to have CHOSEN me to listen to this message and likewise I hope that ALL Calvinists are CHOSEN to click on this video and get to know the TRUE Gospel of Jesus Christ and get saved!.

Unpopular opinion, but I like the long format discussions better. Like the 90 minute videos though, not the 4 hour videos. 1-2 hours is your sweet spot.

Is adoption a biblical principle or as an illustration

@Pnice971

7 ай бұрын

Of course it’s a biblical teaching. Don’t you read your New Testament ? Come on James- you are much brighter than this.

I disagree with the fourth point. The man didn't have any righteousness of his own. :Fo not be DECEIVED. He that DOETH righteousness is righteous, even as he is righteous. 1 John

One of the biggest clues that a certain interpretational view is incorrect, without needing to look at the contradictory nature of the claims, is to look at how its followers carry themselves when addressed with concerns. If the majority, if not all, of its followers, always address objections to their interpretation with hostility, arrogance, double speak, and evading logical and theological concerns, you know that they are taught to avoid those questions and objections without questioning why. This happens almost exclusively in Calvinism. Constant evading of the questions, arrogance in regards to believing that alll other Christians not properly understanding scripture, and remaining forthright even when you know there is a contradiction present, or even not wanting to accept that there are contradictions present. I see this inherent with almost every calvinist I come across. There are quite a few exceptions to the rule, but almost all Calvinists try to avoid the possibility that their interpretation of scripture might actually be wrong, both on scriptural grounds and logical grounds. When they engage in this behavior, they are no longer serving the lord, they are serving themselves. The Lord wants us to be more Learners than teachers, so all Christians are required to humble themselves and be meek in their approach to scripture because the Lord might one day look down on the Calvinists and say that whereas they have done a good job they were teaching something that was not biblical. They are adamant that they are right no matter what the charge, and that's how you can tell that something is false if the person will adamantly continue to cling to something being true regardless of how much you show concern to the opposite. That's one of the reasons why I will never be a calvinist.

@bornagainbeliever1429

11 ай бұрын

Well said @josephthomasmusic!!

All tongues tribes and nations

The light to light the narrow path to Heaven is Jesus Christ the oil in the lamp is The Word of God and if you stumble and loose the path repent and ask forgiveness through Jesus Christ and fill your lamp with the word of God, Jesus Christ is the Cornerstone of your foundation to build your faith upon The Word is the structure of your building and you fill the house by spreading your faith

Tony- are you an “open theist” ?

How is it that people are chosen unconditionally different than unconditional election?

@Soteriology101

4 жыл бұрын

Alma Gordon The chose of a nation or messengers isn’t based on their morality. No one is saved based on their own righteousness. This has nothing to do with the condition of faith in the righteousness of Christ.

@KISStheSON...

4 жыл бұрын

Let's take the apostles. Let's say there were 100 believers at the time Christ was choosing apostles and out of them he chose the 12. He chose the weak, foolish, unlearned of them for his purpose. To CONFOUND the wise and provoke their leaders to jealousy!... I also have to believe that we only HEAR of the 12 who obeyed!

@Liberty-LLama

4 жыл бұрын

@@KISStheSON... That to me does not sound like a state of unconditional choosing. It sounds like that was the condition.

@allentomas3417

4 жыл бұрын

@@Liberty-LLama she is her own li'l cult

@KISStheSON...

4 жыл бұрын

@@Liberty-LLama Paul was not disobedient! Acts 26:19 “Whereupon, O king Agrippa, I was not disobedient unto the heavenly vision:” The words unconditional election are not biblical. That is a man-made doctrine. Election is biblical, we simply don't get to choose the way to the Father, he chose the way and it's his way or the highway. Romans 5 1 Therefore being justified by faith, we have peace with God through our Lord Jesus Christ: 2 By whom also we have access by faith into this grace wherein we stand, and rejoice in hope of the glory of God. Access BY faith INTO his grace where we stand, and then we are sent into the world to teach the way that the world might learn the way, humble themselves, and return HOME to the Father! :)

Hello there the scripture says God would have all men to be saved, and yet not everyone is going to be saved. It really is sad when you think about it many people sadly just won't listen to the calls God is giving out there.

Same revelation I've had about these verses. These passages make no sense if looked at through the Calvinistic filter...

Jesus is the only way for everyone. Because only Jesus can make you perfect. Is it possible Jesus meets every person face to face as they take their last breath - and in that final moment they make their decision?

@Pnice971

7 ай бұрын

4120, you ask a very interesting question. False doctrine such as Free will theology taught my Flowers and all Arminians believe that salvation is conditioned on man’s free will choice. Therefore, someone can live in unbelief and lawlessness their entire life and in their final moment they can just believe in Jesus and make a last second choice by their free will and they’ll make it into heaven. This man centered free will gospel is from the pit of hell and is satanic. The Bible teaches that every time someone hears the Gospel it does does one of two things. 1) It saves the elect, for the Gospel is the power of God to save everyone who believes, to the Jew first and also to the Gentile. (Romans 1:16) or 2) it hardens the reprobate non-elect like pharaoh in Romans 9:17. We call this Gospel hardening. Can God save His elect on their dying bed. Absolutely! Jesus said, we shouldn’t be angry for working in the field all day and being paid the same as the one who worked for the last hour (Matthew 20). However, Hebrews says, “As it is said, “Today, if you hear his voice, do not harden your hearts as in the rebellion.”” ‭‭Hebrews‬ ‭3‬:‭15‬ ‭ESV‬‬ The Gospel message is, repent today! And believe the Gospel, lest you be hardened by it and die in your sins!

I wonder if Calvanists have or Armenias have ever read this verse: Galatians 4:9 [9]But now, after that ye have known God, or rather are known of God, how turn ye again to the weak and beggarly elements, whereunto ye desire again to be in bondage? There is a time that God doesn't know you.Unless you get IN CHRIST you are never known by the Father or the Son in an intimate relationship. Predestination has to do with our inheritance as saved individuals. We are predestined to Sonship. Paul speaks as the things we are predestined to have already happened, so Paul is speaking of a future event of recieving the adoption. Being chosen from the foundation of the world isn't a mystery either. You have to be IN CHRIST to be chosen. He was the chosen method and anyone IN HIM has His past, His present, and His future because we are one spirit with Him. 1 Corinthians 6:17 [17]But he that is joined unto the Lord is one spirit.

@daviddriedger3244

3 жыл бұрын

Calvinists are far too brainwashed to understand this. Because they have been lied to about the meaning of words like election, predestination, chosen Etc

Why was the objector objecting in Romans 9:11-26?

@Pnice971

7 ай бұрын

The objector (Arminian) is objecting to the New Testament doctrine of “unconditional election” and “unconditional reprobation” based upon Gods choosing in eternity past never based upon the good or bad the creature does. The objector in Romans 9, just like the Arminian of today (including Flowers the provisionist lol, same as an Arminian) is objecting to Gods sovereign unconditional election and His sovereign unconditional reprobation.

@jjphank

7 ай бұрын

Romans 9:1-3 is nations not individuals you have to keep it in context ! “Jacob, I loved Esau I hated” is genesis 25:23 there are two nations in your womb concerning Jacob and Esau and God, for sees the future, knowing what’s going to happen because we have the story of Jacob and Esau in Genesis, so he talks in this kind of language in Romans 9, but it’s always concerning nations in this chapter, prove me wrong with the context. and Jeremiah 18 is talking about the nation of Israel, having the potter do with the clay! Jeremiah 18:6 O house of Israel, cannot I do with you as this potter? saith the Lord. Behold, as the clay is in the potter's hand, so are ye in mine hand, O house of Israel. 7 At what instant I shall speak concerning a nation, and concerning a kingdom, to pluck up, and to pull down, and to destroy it; 8 If that nation, against whom I have pronounced, turn from their evil, I will repent of the evil that I thought to do unto them. 9 And at what instant I shall speak concerning a nation, and concerning a kingdom, to build and to plant it;

@DoubleAJ-cl5qq

7 ай бұрын

Romans 9:11- 13 states before Esau had done anything good or bad God unconditionally hated “Esau” Some say “Esau” means The Nation of Esau or Edom If God hated the Nation of Esau, does that mean God hated unconditionally each and every individual within Esau?

@DoubleAJ-cl5qq

7 ай бұрын

You answered under the wrong question Why was the objector objecting in Romans 9

@jjphank

7 ай бұрын

@@DoubleAJ-cl5qq when was Christ crucified for the forgiveness of sins?

@Soceteriology101 or any non-Calvinist how would you contemplate this form of election with Ephesians 1:4-6?

@michaeltorah4002

2 жыл бұрын

They leave that verse alone or simply take Mike wingers false interpretation and claim were only elect because were currently in Jesus. They claim he is the only elect and were elect because were in him. But that doesn't make sense to me.

@Drew32296

10 ай бұрын

Jump down to verse 13

You keep using thd word unconstitutionally. I'm not sure what you mean by that. Would you not say acceptance of certain things to be the condition?

@Soteriology101

4 жыл бұрын

Alma Gordon Unconditional on the good or bad they do (morality), not on whether they believe or not.

@Liberty-LLama

4 жыл бұрын

@@Soteriology101 So you can be a rapist, murderer, drug dealer, but so long as you believe in Christ you can be chosen? I would ask then what it means to believe? If you claim to believe in something, but your actions don't reflect that statement. Would that not prove the contrary? I don't think that this is all that cut and dry. And I think that you actively striving to be better, and become a more righteous person is the condition.

@JoeGeorge319

4 жыл бұрын

@@Liberty-LLama Those who are saved are chosen. So you can be a rapist, murderer, drug dealer, or homosexual and still be among Christ's 'Chosen'. 1 Corinthians 6:9-11. Note Paul's words in verse 11, "such were some of you". Those who continue in their sin and may even claim to have faith in Jesus Christ & what he did on the cross are as the improperly dressed man at the wedding banquet. They were never truly Born Again as Christ requires as entrance to God's Kingdom in John 3. And even if they claim to be, be wary of what happens to the righteous in verse 26 of Ezekiel 18. Ezekiel 18:20-28, 32

@Monday2705

3 жыл бұрын

@@reynaldodavid2913Jo lol re-read Romans 8 & 9. The “elect” are those who love God, who have been for known and predestined to CONFORM TO THE IMAGE OF THE SON! There’s nothing in Romans about God choosing individuals for salvation before the foundations of the world. We didn’t exist then- but Christ did! Christ is the elect! When we are in Him- we are saved 🙏🏻

Romans 9:11- 13 states before Esau had done anything good or bad God unconditionally hated “Esau” Some say “Esau” means The Nation of Esau or Edom If God hated the Nation of Esau, does that mean God hated unconditionally each and every individual within Esau?

@jjphank

7 ай бұрын

God, predestines groups or plurals only, never individuals. Ephesians 1 -2 points: “ us and we” are pre-destined never “you and I“! And 11 times in 11 verses from 3-14 you have to remain “in Christ“ (in him, in whom) to be predestined! Romans 9:1-3 Paul is talking about the nation of Israel, all the way to the end of chapter 11 ! So, “Jacob, I loved, Esau I hated“ is genesis 25:23 “there are two nations in your womb“! It’s talking about ‘Nations,’ not individuals in the whole context of those three chapters! Stop taking it out of context, along with Ephesians 1! Of course, we have the story of Jacob and Esau and how Esau despised his birthright ! So God truly does love all people, he truly did make hell for the devil and his angels just as Matthew 25:41 says ! Even the 42 youths, mauled by the 2 bears, was because they mocked Elijah‘s rapture, a.k.a. the resurrection , they were saying “go on up Baldy “ ; and ALL their prophets just recently Were killed by Elijah and they should’ve known to stop worshiping Baal! Bethel was the headquarters of Baal worship, where this took place! 490 priests got killed by Elijah, There was no Priests around,; should’ve been a gigantic clue. So God never arbitrarily and haphazardly deals with any human being ! His love cannot be measured says Romans 8! But if you’re a Calvinist, it’s “his love cannot be measured , (Wink, wink)“! Come out of the false belief system of Calvinism ! Now you have no excuse because you cannot out argue this, let’s hear you try! Read Matthew 25 the parable of the Calvinists, a.k.a. talents ! Where the guy buried his talent calling God,- somebody who doesn’t judge rightly & he was thrown into hell as a result! He had the wrong view of God, & So Will a Calvinist, they’ll have a callous view of God & The love of Christs sacrificial death on the cross!

@DoubleAJ-cl5qq

7 ай бұрын

Back to the verse of unconditional love and hate Are you ok with unconditional love and hate?

@Pnice971

7 ай бұрын

Hank- you are a real scatter brain. You absolutely cannot stay focused on Romans 9 and stay in the text and explain it word for word and verse by verse. Your presuppositions of free will and incorrect understanding of the OT will not allow you to see clearly. Until you explain Romans 9 verse by verse you will continue to be the objector. Anyone reading this will see that you CANNOT exegesis Romans 9 verse by verse without jumping off the track and eventually abandoning Paul’s entire argument on Gentile inclusion into the people of God and Gods sovereign unconditional election

@jjphank

7 ай бұрын

@@DoubleAJ-cl5qq salvation is conditional based on what you do with Jesus! God forgives every sin, so that part is unconditional forgiveness, when you first get saved! This is where people get mixed up with the word unconditional! 1 go and sin no more 2 stop sinning or something worse will happen to you 3B holy as God is holy 4 be perfect as God’s perfect, All New Testament scriptures! God will not forgive somebody who’s in willful Sin, and refuses to stop sinning! Gods not stupid

@DoubleAJ-cl5qq

7 ай бұрын

@@jjphankSo you are ok with unconditional Love and Hate on God’s part?

The "elected" are the "invited", not the "entitled".

For the good work or gracious act (not what we do) that God does for us, God expects a response from us. Our prior state/status and subsequent response don't merit the grace or good from God. Yet God wants a good response from us for our own good and His glory. The wedding garment represents the response of gratitude. Those who were initially invited were of high social status, but they refused and responded with ingratitude, indifference, disdain and contempt. They acted as if they were entitled to something better and had more important things to do that were more gratifying. They had a gratification or self satisfaction mentality, not a gratitude attitude. Those subsequently invited who did go to the banquet and dressed for the occasion realized they did not deserve to be there, and subsequently responded with gratitude, except for the man who didn't care to dress for the occasion. Gratitude in itself isn't enough to earn entrance to a lavish, gracious banquet which we did not work to produce, but it is the proper response to that which we don't deserve yet are given though another's successful effort or good work. Works mentality is gratification seeking with respect to salvation or God's grace. Faith mentality is a attitude of gratitude. Gratitude is the good response of our will to the work of grace God has already done that Christ earned that leads to a small but good imitative response or effort from us.

Soteriology 101. Destroying the error of Calvinism one video at a time.

So your whole understanding of election from Jesus come from a parable and not from his clear teachings about election in John's gospel, for example.

@Pnice971

5 ай бұрын

You’re dealing with unbelievers here. Arminians are lost and prove it by rejecting the doctrines of Jesus and His apostles. Flowers is a false teacher whom Jesus calls a bad tree who cannot bear good fruit. These God haters cannot deal with a text like 2 Thess or Romans 9 or Eph 1 or Isaiah 10 so they must twist the passages to satisfy their own lusts and turn away from the truth. They run as fast as they can from the light of 2 Thess because they live darkness ”But we ought always to give thanks to God for you, brothers beloved by the Lord, because God chose you as the firstfruits to be saved, through sanctification by the Spirit and belief in the truth. To this he called you through our gospel, so that you may obtain the glory of our Lord Jesus Christ.“ ‭‭2 Thessalonians‬ ‭2‬:‭13‬-‭14‬ ‭ESV‬‬

@froyvm7868

5 ай бұрын

@@Pnice971 it makes me so sad they don't understand the gracious sovereignity of God...