"You can save that maiden Melina if you use yourself as kindling." "Ok bro that's actually useful I really appreciate that." "MAY CHAOS...TAKE THE WORLD." "Now wait just a minute."

@XiasIV

Жыл бұрын

@@theminecraftjester1738 that was a play by play of my experience

@expectation0

Жыл бұрын

@@XiasIV I'm new to the Souls games, so I hope to know what is the problem with Shabriri, why everyone hates him, what I understand is that he is trying to save the merchants from their torment that the golden order put them in and the many who were harmed by the golden order, right? doesn't he want to destroy the world that The great will control it and making a new free one with the help of the three fingers? Doesn't this mean that he is good and Melina is bad because she is being controlled by an outside entity? also our war is aginst radgan and marika which mean that the golden order is bad? no!

@XiasIV

Жыл бұрын

@@expectation0 There is evidence that points to Shabriri being responsible for the merchants bring persecuted in the first place 0_0

@expectation0

Жыл бұрын

@@XiasIV I thought Shabriri was good, because he fights the Golden Order and Radgan like we did, we kill Radgan in the end not Shabriri, doesn't mean he's good?

@aaronwharton8772

Жыл бұрын

@@expectation0 shabriri accussed the merchants so he could summon the frenzy flame, he was not their friend

Who would have thought a man screaming about chaos taking the world would have nefarious intentions?

@sonokawaray

2 жыл бұрын

Not to mention the talisman based on his head having a very punchable face.

@awkwurdknight2088

2 жыл бұрын

Who’da thunk it?

@dancreary3340

2 жыл бұрын

@@awkwurdknight2088 He seemed like he was on the up and up, maybe a tad over enthusiastic, but otherwise a good guy...

@AegisKHAOS

2 жыл бұрын

Ikr? Caught me off guard completely.

@john-paul3271

2 жыл бұрын

Completely.

"Damn bro that's *crazy* . To bad i read all the item describtions about you." ~me on my first play through

@puzzleheaded6195

2 жыл бұрын

I didn’t and legit thought he had good intentions after talking to you about Melina’s fate, but that was right before he goes Full Send and tells you to BURN EVERYTHING to save her lol

@TheHandofDestiny

2 жыл бұрын

Yeah but you get cool eyes and one of the better seals if you're a faith build

@goldalien2016

5 ай бұрын

That's why I just killed him, lol

@richizzle39

12 күн бұрын

Except the frenzy flame is the good ending

really wish madness would affect more enemies than just invaders and other players

@Mound_Maker

2 жыл бұрын

Especially considering we see a few knights and soldiers afflicted by it

@rickpeters8204

2 жыл бұрын

@@Mound_Maker and even trolls at that

@Mound_Maker

2 жыл бұрын

@@rickpeters8204 and rats so there really not any reason why it shouldnt be possible

@poopybuttguy5523

2 жыл бұрын

@@Mound_Maker i just hope its added in eventually

@overlordwarlordtheomnilord9473

2 жыл бұрын

You would think we could, it’s not like it’s even that broken of a status, all the madness spells and skills can inflict you yourself with madness to prevent infinite spamming, and we have the sleep proc which is just a better version of madness and it works on pretty much everything in this game.

For the record, after inheriting the flame, Shabriri doesn’t actually abandon you When you fight Godfrey you can summon him if you’ve become the vessel This shows that he’s still following you to ensure you reach your path as lord of frenzy

@paulinemopsanchez

2 жыл бұрын

I coul summon him too, and suprinsigly he was still wearing the armor of Yura

@plumbus7253

Жыл бұрын

It would be interesting if we use the silver needle (the one that cures you of the frenzied flame) at placidusax’s arena he would invade you, which would make sense since like you said, he is following and ensuring the path of the 3 fingers, although this is hypothetical as this doesn’t happen. Note: you can only use the needle at his placidusax’s arena

@prestongiles9917

Жыл бұрын

@@plumbus7253 imagine if you went into the Frenzied Flame Proscription with the Fingerslaying Blade

@collincaperton6718

Жыл бұрын

@@prestongiles9917 only ranni can actually use the blade. I forgot the description but it something along the line of needing to be wielded by someone with complete purpose in their actions which perfectly describes ranni.

@expectation0

Жыл бұрын

@@collincaperton6718 I thought Shabriri is good, because he fights the Golden Order and Radgan like we did, we kill Radgan in the end and not Shabriri, doesn't mean he's good

Jokes on Shabriri, he doesn’t know I have a needle to cast away the gods influences on me.😹

@msbroomstick1

2 жыл бұрын

I'm not sure, his influence might still spread threw the roots of the erd tree. Melina doesn't come back after using the needle so something might still be wrong

@Aurelon

2 жыл бұрын

We don’t have the frenzied flame in us but it still exists in the world

@doodlebug4360

2 жыл бұрын

@@Aurelon True, but the 3 fingers are gone so the outer God's presence would be greatly diminished. Until Shabriri causes another genocide

@froilanflorentino1252

Жыл бұрын

@@Aurelon The flame of frenzy is still in the world, but we already tamed it. The destined death was already unsealed. Together with the fact that the godslayer's greatsword and Maliketh's black blade is in the hands of a god slaying Elden Lord, the god of frienzied flame can't do nothing but to chaotically shit on it's own pants.

Just noticed that the flame that appears when you cast those frenzy spels actually looks like the three fingers. Great detail.

@James_Rustled

2 жыл бұрын

Same with vykes war spear weapon art. The flames make three fingers reaching out

@Sir-Pleiades

2 жыл бұрын

Every spell, incatation and Ash of War show a symbol connected to it. like the dragon incantation show the dragon seal, Caria spells the caria insignia and more

@Randman216

2 жыл бұрын

@@Sir-Pleiades Vykes spear actually has the 3 fingers as the flames for sure.

@Automatomatic

2 жыл бұрын

Most of the spells and incantations do that. The dragon ones form the outline of a dragon head, for example.

Shibriri letting me know who he was, how he took over our friends body, and then screaming like the mad man he is when first encountered near the Zamor Ruins made me disbelieve and disregard anything he had to say. It might have turned out that way if I wasn't one to read the text of just about every item I get hold of. After putting together more lore pieces from the items I've gather dealing with the frenzied flames I attacked and destroyed the character and got the armor of an old friend to boot.

@zachanley2114

2 жыл бұрын

Is the friend supposed to be the guy you summoned in Stormveil? Didn't encounter him on my playthrough.

@exodus2875

2 жыл бұрын

@@zachanley2114 No. The old friend is a man named Yura. If you are in a certain location (can’t remember where) an NPC will invade you and he will come to help you. When you talk to him he basically just seems like a guy who helps Tarnished from the Invaders

@fisch4638

Жыл бұрын

MAY CHAOS TAKE THE WORLD!

@kurtcobane1762

4 ай бұрын

​@@exodus2875to add on to this comment the invasion happens outside murkwater cave where you meet a familiar npc Just saying incase anyone sees this in the future and wonders where it is being on purposely vague as not to spoil anything but look up murkwater cave

@richizzle39

12 күн бұрын

Which items had you discovered by then? 😂

What is interesting is that shabriri is not the only one to take over a dead body. Hyetta for example is actually Irina. Since hyetta only appears after doing Irinas questline. Sellens questline is another one where you help her obtain a new body. So maybe a Deep dive into the body stealing of Elden ring?

@JohnTaylor-ed4eb

2 жыл бұрын

but then who is hyetta and why can she take over someone elses body?

@Lightice1

2 жыл бұрын

Hyetta presumably has some kind of connection to Irina, but she is not a body snatcher. You can go back and see Irina's corpse after meeting Hyetta. It's still there in its original position. Hyetta may be a twin or a some kind of a doppelganger, but she's not the same body.

@MaledictGaming

2 жыл бұрын

Maybe those that glimse the true nature of the cosmos gain the ability to transcend their bodies? Sellen mastered the the mysteries of the crystals and their connection to the Carrian dieties. Shabriri glimpsed the primarodial chaos which is the Frenzied flame. Perhaps Hyetta was also a scholar of sorts. Some scholar that has dissapeared somewhere within the world withou a trace only to return the same way Shabriri did.

@MaledictGaming

2 жыл бұрын

To further add on to that original comment. This chain of thought was inspired by the literature of H.P.Lovecraft where boydswaping and possesion were often connected with understanding the "horrific cosmic truth". (The Great Race of Yith are a good example of this.)

@vwts

2 жыл бұрын

Ranni is also using a borrowed body, proving beyond doubt that Ranni and Shabriri are one and the same.

One thing I'd like to add here is that when you talk to Kalé at the Church of Elleh, he tells you about his people - the merchants found around the game. Kalé mentions that his people are a naturally unforgiving sort, and this may add a good reason for Shabriri to choose the merchants for the kindling to summon the Three Fingers.

@sefranlangan3985

Жыл бұрын

I think they are unforgiving because of the crimes committed against them. They never forgive and never forget

The one thing I’ll say about the merchants (not a correction but just something to possibly add) is that the ones who are out and about in the world were most likely not let go. There is a hidden tunnel leading to the deep root depths, the ones you see in the world most likely escaped through that and then much later on Shabriri was found to be guilty of slandering but by then it was too late as the merchants in the shunning ground had already succumbed to the frenzied flame and lost their wits. I almost bet that some of the merchants are in very discreet locations because they still believe they’ll be hunted Edit: Plus it makes a lot of sense that they escaped given that if you attack the merchants they will use frenzied flame... Not that I'd ever attack them

@DesX42S

2 жыл бұрын

With some of their dialogue, I feel like they are anticipating you to attack them. Some almost seem startled when you start talking to them, and have a lot of pauses in their dialogue like they are apprehensive around you.

@brendanl1108

2 жыл бұрын

@@DesX42S yup exactly. The only thing I’ll say is that Kale (the first merchant you meet usually) prob didn’t escape through the tunnel because someone recreated the game files for his questline and he had no idea what happened to his people so he was def just born in the world seemingly

@brianrosales490

2 жыл бұрын

@@brendanl1108 theyre being hunted by the bell bearing hunters

@MK-vi2cm

2 жыл бұрын

@@brianrosales490 isnt it just 1 guy?

@GxGNoir

2 жыл бұрын

i dont think this holds up though, cuz Kale's cut storyline he discovers the fate of his people for the first time

May chaos take the world...MAY CHAOS TAKE THE WORLD!!! The slander that Shabriri was punished for must have been pretty bad indeed if he had his eyes gouged out for it. Also, the Frenzied Flame ending seems very Soulsborne: the world is awful, so just burn it all away and start over.

@francisharkins

2 жыл бұрын

Except its not starting over. Its ending it completely. Bringing the world, life, and all of existence into 1 being. Nothing but ash. Nothing to rise from the ashes.

@overlordwarlordtheomnilord9473

2 жыл бұрын

@@francisharkinsDoesn’t it also fuse everyone’s individuality thus the melting and merging of the world, a new world with no individuality so no one can technically “live”. Perhaps their merged with the outer god, that would explain his interests more.

@terranorth

2 жыл бұрын

@@francisharkins holy based

@nowhereman6019

2 жыл бұрын

@@francisharkins that's fine too.

@Remembering0never

Жыл бұрын

@@francisharkins very Evangelion

just imagine how horrifying that subterranean dungeon is filled with mummified bodies some of whom are animated and attck with madness stench, darkness and horrible sounds

@goodstuff4987

Жыл бұрын

The omens who were exiled to the dungeons shiver and whimper in their sleep. If i had to assume, it'd be three finger cursing them with nightmares, causing them to attack anything in sight for the fingers. Have you ever noticed how similar their magic looks to the frenzied flame

If you do not kill shabriri, he helps you defeat godfrey right before radagon.... His summon sign appears at the door... Of course, i sacrificed Melina first, accepting three fingers after Melina's death.

@TheHandofDestiny

2 жыл бұрын

Worthy of respect

@francisharkins

2 жыл бұрын

Honestly as much as I wanted to spare Melina, not letting her fufill her role instead puts her in a purgatory of never being abled to rest. As she is already dead and is just a spirit meant to accomplish the task of Burning the Erdtree.

@pubfriendthegreat1259

Жыл бұрын

Melina sacrifices herself to burn the erdtree: Me with the three fingers: If I can't have a maiden, THEN NO ONE WILL.

@melonking281

Жыл бұрын

@@francisharkins some people see it as giving melina a new purpose

Something sad and twisted is that they have a note which details a cure for the Flame of Frenzy, Miquella's Needle. This can imply that either they tried to look for a cure after summoning it or they tried to find proof that they weren't a cult but because of Miqella's betrayal of the Golden Order, this was ignored.

Shabirri can easily manipulate everyone. I mean, who resist that upturn almost flirtatious smile? He looks trustworthy, right?

@terminator9489

2 жыл бұрын

nothing suspicious for a Guy in a dangerous area filled with monster while in a body of a dead friend while talking about chaos. He totally look friendly

All the planning, manipulation and preparations he make to try lure us to accept the 3 fingers only to be cleansed by a little pointy boy

@TheHandofDestiny

2 жыл бұрын

And miss out on the Best Ending? No thanks

Shabriri sounds like an I.D.F soldier

I'm running a new game +3 and chose to role play as Vyke this time around. I'm using only his armor and weapon and Frenzy incantations. While only Tarnished are susceptible to madness, those incantations cause surprisingly decent damage to all enemy types. Gonna go with the Lord of Frenzy ending for the first time and I've purposely avoided seeing it ahead of time. So far, the game has been incredibly fun running around as Vyke reborn. Lol.

@shyy2103

2 жыл бұрын

I'm doing the same. Playing as Vyke seemed to be a fun idea. But instead of doing it in new game plus I started a new playthrough with a str-faith build. My version of Vyke is the tarnished who did get tricked by shabiri and inherited the flame of frenzy. But only to save his maiden, later used the unalloyed needle to nullify the effect of the frenzied flame and get one of the good endings. Vyke redeems himself in this version of the story. I'm at liurnia right now. Just started and using lightning incantations for buffs and all.

@RC-lw5lw

2 жыл бұрын

@@shyy2103 I actually have begun using a few of the dragon lightning incantations today. Vyke shared a friendship with the dragon Lansseax while she was in human form leading the dragon cult in Lyndell. She taught him a few red lightning incantations. They are a nice alternative to change things up from time to time. Glad you are following Vyke's footsteps, too!

@shyy2103

2 жыл бұрын

@@RC-lw5lw yeah dragon lightning incantations are really cool. I plan to use everything that fits Vyke's lore. Its so much fun to roleplay when the characters have a good story behind them.

@Argonak1

2 жыл бұрын

Oh I'm so excited for you. That was my first ending, I run frenzied blast, unending frenzy, ancient dragon lightning strike, swarm of flies, bloodboon, pest threads, golden vow, flame grant me strength, erdtree protection and erdtree heal. Rivers of blood+Fingerprint Shield, I run white mask, black raptor chest, ensha gloves (I forget his armor set name) and briar greaves for staggering rolls. I like to think I started as a tarnished like Vyke up until the end, got the frenzied flame and in my madness became like Okina under Mogh. Somewhere along the way I had some tutelage from Gowry learning rot incantions.

@RC-lw5lw

2 жыл бұрын

@@Argonak1That's an interesting comparison between Vyke and Okina. Both seemed to have been overcome by their own form of madness. Makes sense now that you've drawn that comparison. Thanks, Fish.

I love this format of videos, taking the bits of hints from the lore and filling the gaps with assumptions to tell an interesting story with matching background visuals. Great job!!

@Fluffy._.Doggo.123

2 жыл бұрын

Yeah, that's how all dark souls story works. It's great

@fleebleflanadis7870

2 жыл бұрын

Nano machines son

MAY CHAOS TAKE THE WORLD!!!

@TheHandofDestiny

2 жыл бұрын

MAY CHAOS TAKE THE WORLD

I’m honestly surprised by how many people don’t realize the difference between Yura/Shabriri… Like Shabriri literally stated he is not in-fact Yura, as he is dead, but admitted to using him as a vessel Oh, and then the part where he said his name was Shabriri, not Yura.. OH, and then repeats “may chaos take the world…”

@ALLMINDmercenarysupportsystem

Жыл бұрын

Definitely the same guy.

@expectation0

Жыл бұрын

@@ALLMINDmercenarysupportsystem I thought Shabriri is good, because he fights the Golden Order and Radgan like we did, we kill Radgan in the end and not Shabriri, doesn't mean he's good

@ALLMINDmercenarysupportsystem

Жыл бұрын

@@expectation0 I know Shabriri isn't good or Yura, I was being sarcastic.

@expectation0

Жыл бұрын

@@ALLMINDmercenarysupportsystem very smart lol

@JoeNeutrino

4 ай бұрын

But he got his hat tho

Shabriri himself might have been an unwitting pawn. He was a scholar and so when he read the shield imprint found in the tomb of an ancient god, he became its finger reader as the three fingers had none and the shield description states that the three fingers or the "readerless fingers" as they are called, spread their messages through their imprint as found in the shield which shabriri read and went mad. The flame of frenzy itself might have been an outer god like the greater will and the scarlet rot and might have been dead for centuries but still had its impact and imprint on the lands between.

I think of the frenzied flame less as chaos, and more as recycling

Don't always completely agree with your guys conclusions (though do any 2 people agree on the entirety of any of the FS lore lol) but they are always very well researched and thought out. Not to mention some of the highest quality lore videos being put out right now

@square-table-gaming

2 жыл бұрын

We really appreciate that! A lot of work goes into these haha

My theory - Shabriri was a Nomadic Merchant. Somewhere in his travels he came across the tablet/shield. As a merchant he was free to travel, and thus spread madness. He, naturally, spread the word among the Nomadic Merchants also. By the time the Order took action, they decided to persecute the whole clan for the actions of a few. Can't be sure who is or is not a worshiper, so easier to wipe them all out, right? So once they were locked up, the Merchants banded together and summoned the Three Fingers as a big 'fuck you' to the Order.

@BCDeshiG

2 жыл бұрын

Now I'm imagining the three fingers doing the middle finger lol

In my dialogue option he actually tells me who he is, he also takes his hands of his eyes later. I’m not sure if everyone got this but here it is: Finally, we meet. The Tarnished, who would be Lord. Oh my, why the long face? I fear that you were previously acquainted with this vessel. Well, that is most unfortunate. For he is dead. As for his flesh, he gave it to me, Shabriri. I hope you can make your peace with that.

@square-table-gaming

Жыл бұрын

Yes he says all of this as part of his questline

Love this breakdown, well done. I like the take on that the merchants are being tolerated now since the lords know they were deceived. This makes much more sense to me than the idea of them still being hunted but also putting up open for business signs and the like.

@terminator9489

2 жыл бұрын

"I don't get many customers"

Shabriri looking like Astarion in that thumbnail.

The prophet set blindfold description also mentions a prophetic vision of a "yellow flame"

What if the reason your eyes burn when using the flame is that your seeing the truth of the world and that’s why it burns and causes madness.

I think Shabriri is more an aspect of nihilism, one of the six main philosophical ideologies expressed through the endings.

@JoeNeutrino

4 ай бұрын

I think that's a reasonable interpretation but I think it also represents a kind of regressive and primitivist ideology. The followers of the Three Fingers hate the Golden Order for its injustices and contradictions and their proposed solution is to undo civilization entirely and return the world to its original primordial state. It's like they want to reset the world and start again.

I love everyone's takes on elden ring you clearly put a lot of thoughts into sharing your thoughts. Here's my interpretation of the lore: Shabriri is a nomad merchant that slandered the golden order and the other nomad merchants, eventually the nomads got trapped far below the capital and called out for help, while this was happening the golden order figured out shabriri lied and punished him. The Greater will or at least part of it realised that life is suffering and split off to become The Flame of Frenzy that's then summoned by the merchants chants and decided to incinerate all that divides and distinguishes and it poured out of Shabriri's eyes and he became cursed as an avatar of Chaos.

seems like a chill guy

one thing i kinda wished would happen is if you used the needle to stop the lord of frenzied flame ending, it would've been cool if you had to fight shabriri before getting to the elden ring.

"the closest thing we get to evil incarnate" "The most reviled man in history" Dont let the loathsome dung eater listen to this

@square-table-gaming

Жыл бұрын

Dung eater is trying to commit genocide, Shabriri succeeded

Not related to the video content, but man... I totally love that you use the character creation them as background music. Another superb piece of content as always.

amazing video as always! id like to add a little head cannon about Shabriri. my first playthrough i got the lord of frenzied flame ending & it always struck me as odd that our player tarnished, (who for most of the game is pretty stoic imo) would get up with a head of frenzied flame & start bombastically waltzing around as the erdtree is set ablaze. I feel as if Shabriri may have abandoned Yura's body in anticipation of his new lord. once we are embraced by the three fingers, & then have a slain the elden beast, i think he actually posses us to ensure that Chaos takes the world! i might be looking too much in to it but thought i would share all the same 👍

@zedkinez3994

2 жыл бұрын

Yeah, you are right, I'm pretty sure the player character didn't live to see the end and died the moment he touched marikas body, just to be possessed by Shabriri

@Cold_Zero_The_Wise

2 жыл бұрын

Two other elden ring lore KZreadrs have come to the same conclusion and I agree with you

@luisgrave1352

2 жыл бұрын

@@Cold_Zero_The_Wise interesting! ill do some research around the Tube & see what else i can find. thank you for the validation fellow tarnished!

@Cold_Zero_The_Wise

2 жыл бұрын

@@luisgrave1352 happy to contribute

that was put out nicely! Love the video and what you say does make sense to me as well! Thank you!

Ever since I read the description of his effigy, I've had this unshakable feeling that Shabriri was telling the truth, but he didn't intend for these atrocities to happen. He was tortured and killed, but his soul was too angry to die. Too angry to be manipulated by the frenzied flame. He wants the world to burn for what it did to him, and he wants to use the very thing he tried to stop out of pure spite. If that is the case... may CHAOS...

After the dlc and it's story implications, I'm tempted to agree with Shabriri.

At least Shabriri wants to burn away everything and end it all unlike Dung Eater who says "Countless, I have killed. And countless, I have defiled. And soon the fruits will be borne. Hundreds will be reborn cursed, and they'll bear thousands of cursed children, who'll bear tens of thousands more. A few of those will be born just like me, and they'll kill, and defile, and bless in my stead! The rotten fools. My fate was the grandest, most brilliant of them all!"

I don't think shabriri was ever human.

Love the pace, diction, choreography and lore . Vaati has a competitor 🤣

I started this ending cause i thought the two fingers were icky and wanted to piss them off. I finished because i was so wrought with irl despair that it seemed like truth. It's gotten worse, and idk how to think different.

@Dkpresents805

6 ай бұрын

Bro just don’t lock up an entier country💀💀

This was really good - well done

The lore in From Software games is like no other. It always leaves me craving more 😅. Just a fantastic group of writers/developers. They give you enough info while playing the game that makes players want to deep dive into it, finding buried secrets, hidden locations and even statues of lore. These games will always have a place in my heart. Especially Bloodborne...really hope they eventually decide to make a second one. Also great vid on Shabriri. Really interesting character in elden ring. They could've done alot more with him in the game in my opinion. I thought Selivus was sinister when I first met him in game lol. Shabriri makes Selivus look like a small time crook.

Chaos will give nothing in the end

This is why I took great pleasure in taking the frenzied flame, only to go straight to Farum Azula and use Miquella's needle to snuff it out. Ironically I also did Goldmask's ending in that run, so not only did I snuff the chaos itself, but purified the Golden Order.

I have the hypothesis that Melina was Vyke's maiden, and she ended burnt by him, her purpose unfulfilled. That would explain the scorching marks in her hands, her closed eye with the three fingers tattoo, and her knowledge and depisal of the Frenzied Flame.

@square-table-gaming

2 жыл бұрын

It's an interesting theory. The Maiden near where we fight Vyke is labeled "Vyke's Maiden" in the game data, but that could be leftover since we have no real in-game confirmation.

@anothertarnishedone5960

2 жыл бұрын

@@square-table-gaming same with Melina, but we know something happened to her that caused her to become incorporeal and ruined her purpose as maiden, thus her feelings of unfulfillmen. Maybe Vyke become (more) crazy when she rejected him for taking the Frenzied Flame, and burnt her in response. Like "Do you want to burn? Then BURN!"

@square-table-gaming

2 жыл бұрын

@@anothertarnishedone5960 our current theory is that melina may never have been corporeal, she may be incomplete, which is why in the frenzied flame ending we see her again with the gloam eye. It's likely she inherited the power of the gloam eyed queen and became whole. We can't forget, she's clear that she is not a maiden, just fulfilling the role.

@anothertarnishedone5960

2 жыл бұрын

@@square-table-gaming is also a possibility. After all, Melina could be another of Radagon and Marika's children, due to the name similarities we found among the different demigods lineages (Melina, Miquella, Malenia). Since the lineage of Radagon and Marika is flawed, Melina's curse could be her incorporeal form, in the same way Miquella is cursed to be a child forever, and Malenia is cursed with the red rot.

@CritikalHits

4 күн бұрын

​@@anothertarnishedone5960 i know it's been 2 years but man, your theory is now basically canon... kudos to you bro

This dude is actually really fricked up!

what a great lore explanation man! thanks 💯

Maybe Shabriri is the good guy. He just wants to end all the pain and suffering that the golden order, all outer gods probably, need to survive.

@vergil8833

Жыл бұрын

The merchants are not what they seem. Out of all the wielders of the Frenzied Flame, the merchants are the only ones who use if for revenge against all who live. While all others, like those who give their eyes to Hyetta, Hyetta herself, and Shabriri himself only serve the yellow chaos flame because they truly believe that being born is cruel because they have never known happiness, they don't want to destroy the world because they hate anyone, they just believe it will make things better. The merchants however don't express any such ideas. In Kales cut questline we see that he just wants revenge for what happend to his people, but the fingerprint shield suggests that the merchants did actually worship chaos before they were put in the dungeon, so Shabriri didn't slander them, he told the truth. Kale drools over the idea of how many riches the Caravan traded in, so it just seems like he wants revenge against the world for daring to speak out against them, like Shabriri did. Why would the merchants worship chaos in the first place? Because they were graceless, like the misbegotten.

@James_Rustled

Жыл бұрын

@@vergil8833 good points. I’m 100% convinced shabriri and hyetta are the good guys

You know I only did the frenzied flame ending just for the achievement but I kinda dig it. A little chaos is good every once in awhile.

“MAY CHAOS TAKE THE WORLD” “I’ve been wanting that armor set for a while my boy😏” BONK💥‼️

I really feel like it would be a massive jump in quality to use the voice lines of the NPC quotes, instead of reading them.

I picked the chaos flame ending because it represents my personality the best, but Shabriri having an entire group of gypsy-like people genocided based on lies is pretty reminiscent of a certain Austrian painter.

@greenthunder1000

2 жыл бұрын

So your personality is non existent, and is pure chaos without any form of order or life? Basically raw creation and destruction itself?

@Windrider784

2 жыл бұрын

@@greenthunder1000 If you think that counts as nonexistent then you've got a whole web of bad assumptions to untangle.

@greenthunder1000

2 жыл бұрын

@@Windrider784 you mean real assumptions? Chaos is the opposite of order and a whole lot of nothing. The endless void of space is chaos, and “nothing” is chaos. Not my fault you don’t actually know what chaos is.

@Windrider784

2 жыл бұрын

@@greenthunder1000 You really took off sprinting in the wrong direction there.

@greenthunder1000

2 жыл бұрын

@@Windrider784 better than standing around with my foot in my mouth like you are

Sounds awfully familiar to a certain Judeo-Christian figure that swapped the worship of 2 fingers for a trinity of fingers based on a certain set of merchant class people that ended up being persecuted later in history. The fact that he can possess empty vessels through history, is only interested in lords, and seeks to reset the golden order through chaos and frenzy while being seen as the most evil person in history gives it away.

@overlordwarlordtheomnilord9473

2 жыл бұрын

The Anti-Elden lord

@juice2307

Жыл бұрын

Gotta be honest, I’m not sure what you’re getting at. The only thing this reminds me of is Muhammad.

@spencersmith9536

Жыл бұрын

@@juice2307 That's because you in Islam there is no Trinity, so how could you understand something that doesn't exist? Somehow God is both real, and Prophets are real, and their poetry and ability to use words is just spun out of thin air only from contact with God, not just an extension of oral tradition. Once you accept that human beings have the right to update and change their own oral tradition, you now know what the Holy Spirit is. That's what Christians inherit through Christ, but the evidence for it exists through all of human history.

@juice2307

Жыл бұрын

@@spencersmith9536 Not quite sure what is being said here, or the position for that matter, but the whole idea of God theologically follows like this: matter exists, it cannot exist of its own accord, therefore there must be a self-sustaining source that gives all other things their being. That thing is what we call God. Another way to put it: all things are contingent upon the existence of something else. It is illogical to conclude that this goes back in an infinite regress, otherwise existence would be a paradox that would instantly eat itself up. Therefore the prime essence of existence which gives all things their being must be self-sufficient and the beginning of all things. This ultimate beginning that sustains itself and all things is what we call God. The Trinity follows this logic. God is love. To have love you must have one who loves, the receiver of the love, and the shared love between them. Since God is love, it suggests that the lover, the beloved, and the shared love are substantially the same while being distinct. That is, they are all the same substance. They are also all sharing in unity with one another because there is no separation of substance, while distinctions remain.

@spencersmith9536

Жыл бұрын

@@juice2307 The only evidence for God or his opinions or preferences is the written words and spoken thoughts of people. If you took away everyone's ability to read and speak, there is no longer any evidence of God. God is not love. God is every human thought, memory, and emotion that was ever experienced coming from the same history. Every evil and good thought you have comes from the same God. Religion is just the effort of poets, artists, and con men to claim the final authority on our collective story. You need to realize this whole story you have of God is just an inherited dream and illusion you inherited to keep you from realizing that God never existed outside of the human mind. The trinity just highlights to you that all these words spoken by men were just words they inherited from previous men and then reinterpreted towards a higher truth.

I want to point out you can summon him to defeat godfry first elder lord if you have the flame of frenzy within you

Many parallels between the jews and the merchants.

@hakimehamdouchi7468

3 ай бұрын

How

Turns out Lady Ranni is about doing similar things like Shabriri, but a bit more attention to our tarnished’s metal healthiness.

@nightwing8794

Жыл бұрын

At least with lady ranni you are like king and queen as you become her consort the 3 finger is the ruler in the frenzied flame ending

I'd say the Dung Eater is more evil than Shabriri.

Awesome man elden ring is one of my favorite games of all time

I want a true detective season starring shabriri and dung eater

"Shabriri is the closest thing we get to evil incarnate"- I think you're forgetting dung eater

@square-table-gaming

2 жыл бұрын

So while what he does is pure evil, his goal is to spread the omen curse across the land. In this way Omens are no longer "cursed" as it were, because the curse is now normal. It's honestly debatable which is worse, the ending of all life or the way he defiles individuals, but I absolutely see your point.

@stormbreak13

2 жыл бұрын

@@square-table-gaming idk man, objective pain and suffering doesn't necessarily become more bearable just because you see others suffering similarly- that being said, I do still understand that some people would choose to live a life of abject suffering, over no life

@square-table-gaming

2 жыл бұрын

@@stormbreak13 are the omen suffering though? It seems Mohg has no issue with being an omen. The omen are simply persecuted by others for being linked to the primordial crucible.

@stormbreak13

2 жыл бұрын

@@square-table-gaming @Square Table Gaming "the howling and wailing of spirits"- that's how Roderika, spirit tuner describes those affected by the seedbed curse, which to me says that the souls are somehow imprisoned, and maybe the bodies of omens are basically zombies/husks, with the actual identity/soul being imprisoned somewhere, hence not being able to return to the erdtree- but either way, even if the life of an omen isn't necessarily painful, the motivation behind the dung eater is unquestionably more nefarious than Shabriri- he is TRYING to cause suffering, and 'defile' not only bodies, but souls- the thing is though, I think that the omens are close to the primordial crucible, which seems to actually have a bit in common with the intent of shabriri, in that multiple life forms seem melded together in the crucible, eliminating distinctions (divisions) between races.. and eliminating "all that divides" is Shabriris stated goal

Kale mentions that it's a trait inherent to his people that they do not forgive easily. That the nomadic tribes, even if they keep to themselves individually, will always turn on those they know to have wronged their people. In his cut questline (which is amazing by the way -- go watch SekiroDubi's video for more) Kale says this before he knows about the fate of the Great Caravan. From your video, it's possible then that Shabriri accused the Great Caravan specifically, as in addition to being outside of Grace, the extent of their hatred and lust for vengeance would be the most potent means of summoning the frenzied flame.

i was hoping you’d mention the lord of frenzy ending, but i’d just like to put it out there. Have you notice how your tarnished would have the death by madness animation when you touch marika attempting to trigger the ending? And then during the ending itself, like as though another entity takes over the tarnished body, and puts on acts like as though he/she is rejoicing in the chaos and of the frenzied flame taking the world. If the three fingers are vessels to the outer god, then using the duality concept comparing to the greater will, there’ll be a requirement of a lord. Which means it wasn’t an outer god taking over your body if its the case, but shabriri perhaps? Just some food for thoughts.

Just starting out: "FOR THE GOLDEN ORDER!!!!" Halfway through: "FOR THE STARS!!" by the end of the game: "may CHaos TaKe THe WOrLd"

Making a Dual Vyke’s War Spear with frenzy incantations build right now after seeing this

maybe i’m just easily tricked, but he convinced me pretty easily. “you can singe your own flesh in your maiden’s stead” that’s pretty righteous “MAY CHAOS TAKE THE WORLD” what a weird guy, but he seems to have good intentions.

Anyone else captivated by the similarities to the Abyss and Chaos Flame from Dark Souls and the Flame of Frenzy in Elden Ring?

The voice actor yelling at me was so compelling I just went along with it , only to find out you don’t get a prompt at the three fingers, it’s final. So bummed about that part, now I have to do a regular play through to keep Melina in her good graces.

@balsabozovic4510

2 жыл бұрын

You can still get regular endings you "only" need to kill malenia

Imma shabriri some herba if you know what I mean

@square-table-gaming

2 жыл бұрын

Giving a whole new meaning to "blaze it"

Shabriri really made a mistake taking Yura's body. The drip was too immaculate for me to not kill him. 😂😂

“As for his flesh… he gave it to me.” Huge 🚩

He doesn't take Yura to catch us off guard. He immediately states that Yura is dead and he's taken his body. How is that reassuring?

@square-table-gaming

2 жыл бұрын

He also says yura offered him his body, which makes it seem like he might not be a bad guy as Yura was an honorable warrior. This seems like a lie given what we know of Shabriri.

@expectation0

Жыл бұрын

@@square-table-gaming I thought Shabriri is good, because he fights the Golden Order and Radgan like we did, we kill Radgan in the end and not Shabriri, doesn't mean he's good

5:51 *dung eater has left the chat*

I love how Lovecraftian him and the Three Fingers are.

All I’m saying is that it’d be a huge missed Opportunity to expand upon him, madness, and chaos in the dlc. Especially if you had become the lord of frenzied flame. I could see them doing like an aldia kind of thing maybe going along with us through the dlc with a goal in mind. Maybe we’ll meet shabriri the man if we go back in time, but there’s potential for something at least. Intriguing video, well done 👏 . I get a slight feeling that chaos might end up like humanity from DS. Like that recent comment about Shabriri being to angry to die, I could see him being like aldia when still in a coherent state of mind but possibly turning into a manus type boss. (Like the mind of aldia to find another way, but the ferocity of manus is what I mean) Even after we would defeat him, his presence and the chaos he brought about will still forever affect the world until the slate is wiped clean.

Big Sauron energy from this silly fella

A lot of people talking about irina and hyetta as well. Since Irina's Body remains, its not body theft, maybe a twin, maybe just a coincidence. I think she is a mimic tear

saw the thumbnail and immediately thought "Quieres?"

Stroked the flame amiright

There's a little Shabriri in us all

I always stab Shabriri at the Giant Mountains.

@reekhavoc2932

Ай бұрын

😂

"MAY CHAOS TAKE TH-" *Stabs with Miquella's needle "No, it won't"

Hypothetically, Ranni is probably just as evil as she sacrifices so many people (ex. lets Blaidd go mad fully knowing what that will do to him) and even her body to get exactly what she wants (which is bringing in another outer God IMO) which stands in stark contrast to Miquella who is a very messianic who wants to free and redeem all those who inhabit the Lands Between.

@EnglishAaron

2 жыл бұрын

Yeah but Mohg defiled Miquella I highly doubt he is alive or the same after afflicting Miquella eith the formless mothers influence so all in all Ranni seems the best option for letting people be free to walk their own path for a time unless the player returns to deal or someone finally manages to destroy Rykkard and the serpent he will wreck havoc or just continue to be gluttonous

@ThePenitentSquirrel

2 жыл бұрын

@@EnglishAaron I don't believe there is enough evidence (at least I have seen) to prove that Miquella was defiled or fell under the influence of the Formless Mother. On top of that, you would have to look past the fact that Ranni's actions are the cause of the Shattering and during the which well everyone was fighting Mohg escaped his prison and tore Miquella cacoon from the Haligtree. That also circles back to why it is unlikely that Miquella was corrupted as despite Mohg's power-up from the Formless Mother he could not wake him inside the cocoon. Until the player comes along Ranni does nothing to advance her interest other than sitting and watching her siblings tear each other and Lands Between to pieces perhaps to the point that her rise to the top will be more effortless in time. The other possibility is that she didn't have a plan and we the player are the only ones who could possible help her complete it. It also doesn't help her case that she also allied with Rykkard one of the apparent arch-villains of the story and gifted him with traces of the Rune of Death so that if she failed Rykkard might have possibly been the one to finish her plan on The Night of Black Knives.

@EnglishAaron

2 жыл бұрын

@@ThePenitentSquirrel You are right but there also is the case that it could have been partially spurred on or caused by Marika to give herself the push she needed to be able to overcome the elden beast inside herself and shatter the ring, we don't know if Merika arranged for the death of Godwyn herself and just puppeteered others into doing that for her, but it seems likely she planned the shattering from the start given we get to hear Merika assure Godfrey him and the tarnished will be called back.

@ThePenitentSquirrel

2 жыл бұрын

@@EnglishAaron That is one of the theories that the community created and it is interesting as all we really know as a fact is; that Godwyn Dies + Overly distraught Marika = one smashed Elden Ring. The problem with the theory resides in the fact that most characters in Elden ring are rather enigmatic and without the corroborating evidence it would be extremely difficult to make the claim despite it certainly being possible as Marika demonstrates peculiar level cruelty. Further, as I believe I know the theory you're going on, it is also impossible to know if Ranni did what she did at the direction of Marika herself. However, somehow I doubt that as Marika was pretty thorough in defeating her enemies (like the Fire Giants) so when she defeated the Dusk Eyed Queen (or Malekith did) then took destined death and imprisoned in her Shadow. Something tells me Marika didn't do that just so one day Ranni could steal a fragment of it, if it had truly been part of her design why not give her the rune and leave no margins for failure. Also, Ranni essentially saw Marika as a broken relic worth paying homage to a point, but also worth abandoning. All of this is assuming the Greater Will doesn't have some other unknowable cosmic influence, but there isn't enough evidence again to prove that.

@kindlingking

2 жыл бұрын

Can't wait until Miquella pulls Griffith in the DLC

The man who stroked the what? 😳

nice theory but the merchants who weren't rounded up, use frenzy incants and often have telling lines when attacked that make them seem not so innocent "what did i ever do, hehehe"

@square-table-gaming

2 жыл бұрын

It's likely the frenzy now lives within all of the merchants, but it's fairly clear that it didn't before the incantation was chanted.

@A_Random_Prussian

Жыл бұрын

Yes but it's more possibly the suirving merchants where freed after sharibre was punished

Chaos isn't evil, it exists to destroy, but destruction isn't evil. Torture and willful infliction of pain for means of hurting someone is pain. Chaos is the opposite of order, order stalls, stagnates and decays. Chaos brings life down and lets it start anew, only when you tear down what is, can you make something new. Chaos and order are mo moral, they are natural forces of nature. Primordial and fundamentalist as it gets.

A thing to consider is that, if Shabriri is Chaos Incarnate, then his plan isn't simply to destroy the world. See, the Flame of Frenzy is meant to melt everything back to its primal state within the crucible. When your head comes off, you cease to be you, and become an avatar of the Frenzied Flame, of Shabriri. His end goal is that all would become chaos, and as Chaos Incarnate, all would become Shabriri. His plan is not to destroy the world, but to become the world.

There is the opposite interpretation that Shabriri was actually right in his claims that the Caravan of merchants did have heretical beliefs, but after they cried out and cursed him he became the host for their demon god, making him the most heretical being in the Lands Between, making him the most reviled man in history. The reason why this could be a plausible interpretation is because the merchants were originally denied the grace of gold, so the greed that leads to envy of those who are accepted by the Golden Order made them despise it, and greed is a part of them as we see from Kales cut dialogue, he doesn't care much for the teachings of his ancestors but he instead drools over the trading possibilities the Caravan had, this envy of the Golden Order caused by greed leading to their worship of that which would destroy it all. Once they were desperate enough after being put in the deepest dungeon they were able to call said god to the lands between, or at least the messanger of said god, the Three Fingers, turning Shabriri into their own kind of Elden Beast as punishment. In a way I think it is more likely since if the Golden Order found out that Shabriri orchestrated some ploy to slander the merchants in order to make them desperate enough to stoke the flames of chaos, then why wouldn't the Golden Order go down there and purge it all? They would have had to know the Three Fingers were down there if they found out that it was Shabriris plan, but they can't have known because theres no way the Golden Order would allow it to exist under their capital. So I think it was summoned there after the fact by the merchants who used it to curse Shabriri to make him the icon of what he and the Golden Order hated, hence why he is the most reviled man. He wouldn't be the most reviled if "his only crime" was slandering a group that isn't even accepted by the Grace of Gold, why would the Golden Order care that much about the merchants? They don't, thats why they didn't release the merchants and thats why they didn't kill the Three Fingers, they just hated Shabriri for his cursed burning eyes.

I wonder if the walking mausoleum have any lores?

@A_Random_Prussian

Жыл бұрын

It does

@alfredoelizaldedelucas9973

5 ай бұрын

They are the corpses of marikas sons that did not become special so they got sacrificed

Correct me if I'm wrong, but don't merchants have frenzy eyes if you look closely?

@bruhmoment7470

2 жыл бұрын

Yeah, and they even attack with frenzy flame if you aggro them!

@AzuNekomiya

2 жыл бұрын

I have an assumption that the three fingers themselves were not a bad god, but rather a kind of phenomenon. Perhaps it was an analogue of the fire from the dark souls, which warmed these travelers in their wanderings. However, Shabriri recognized the Three Fingers as heresy and imprisoned almost all the merchants in the dungeon, where the Three Fingers absorbed the growing madness among those who fell into such a terrible trap. As a result, all the merchants died, and after them Shabriri, whom the fingers decided to punish by the fact that he would forever suffer from madness, unable to die. Oh yes, Shabriri does not just keep his eyes closed, he suffers from endless pain, barely three fingers that have settled in his eyes see such a hated world (not for nothing is the ability to howl shabriri, in fact, torment in the flesh). Therefore, he wants to help the protagonist, so that three fingers move into the main character completely and Shabriri can finally die.

@TheHandofDestiny

2 жыл бұрын

@@AzuNekomiya I doubt any of the gods are really true evil, they all seem to want the same thing and do the same thing to try and achieve it

@A_Random_Prussian

Жыл бұрын

Nope they are blind

Madness is the best

one thing I can give the guy credit for, is that he wasn't lying about saving our maiden. In the frenzied flame ending, she's the only living thing left other than ourselves, and she hates us enough to kill us.

Its that tarnished you love to hate, Shabriri!

I have a related question you might like to explore - who the hell are the merchants selling things to aside from you? How are they still functioning as merchants at all? There seem to be about 15 conscious beings in the entire world of Elden Ring, and you're the only one who actively seeks new equipment. Every other being is either an unchanging NPC, or a random insane person who just attacks you on sight for no apparent reason.

I instantly hated Shiabriri for taking my boy Yura's body

May Chaos Take the World! MAY CHAOS TAKE THE WORLD!!!