Sorry for the reupload. I'm working with a different audio setup this week, so the initial upload had messed up audio-- hopefully this version is better. Also, this version should be in 2k. Sorry for all the missing comments; there are already a bunch on the previous video here: kzread.info/dash/bejne/fa6lwbl8j8XAiLA.html. But please feel free to write them again if you want to. Sorry for the inconvenience.

@ravoniesravenshir3926

14 күн бұрын

You get it... THANK YOU.

@TheSpoartsNetwork

14 күн бұрын

You should be embarrassed. If you had any intelligence you would delete this awful shit take and never post again.

@jac1793

11 күн бұрын

@@TheSpoartsNetwork lmao

noooo, Melina is not evil she gave me a car

@spencerharmon681

15 күн бұрын

A CAR!!! All she gave me was a lousy diapering horse...

@tlidd

15 күн бұрын

@@spencerharmon681 I don’t know what game you’re playing - we all got an Accord!

@snefansson

15 күн бұрын

She offered you an Accord and you took the horse??

@BoRice82

15 күн бұрын

A Honda Accord at that! BFF

@spencerharmon681

15 күн бұрын

​@tlidd I'm dead!!! That went right over my head

Letting you know that I’ve seen the leaked final boss and it’s godefroy he was the most important character all along

@Tk--cp9xw

6 күн бұрын

No it's not it's prime Gwyn Lord of Sunlight

My theory is that FA was once attached to Caelid, at the Bestial Sanctum, and also to the Mountaintops, bridging the two. This is why you can see the same giant skeletons in both Caelid and the Mountaintops. My theory goes that FA was once the capital of the Gloam Eyed Queen, and Placidusax was her consort and Elden Lord. This is also why there are dragons all over the northwestern side of Caelid, where FA would have been attached. It's also why the Godslayer Greatsword is beneath the Divine Tower in Caelid, near the Bestial Sanctum. The statue in Maliketh's arena is the Gloam Eyed Queen, and that arena is where Maliketh defeated her. Upon her defeat, Placidusax was hidden beyond time in his arena within FA, awaiting for the return of his God, the GEQ. It's also why the Godskin Duo fight happens in FA. The tapestries in the Godskin Duo arena match the tapestries in the Bestial Sanctum, and the trees outside the Bestial Sanctum match the trees at the bottom of FA, where the wormface's are. The scatted ruins across the land have matching symbols and architecture with FA, so my theory goes that upon the GEQ's defeat, Marika/Greater Will created a tempest that ripped FA from the ground and carrier out to see, making it impossible to reach. When this happened bits and pieces were flung all across the land. This is why you find the sanctuary stones, and ruins pieces on those ruins, as well as at the secret place below the Bestial Sanctum. Marika was removing the capital of her former adversery. She made Maliketh guard the Rune of Death there, making doubly hard to get at (it's nearly impossible to reach FA for anyone, and even if you do, you then have to fight Maliketh). The GEQ was imprisoned in the Erd Tree, and she eventually was able to create/use Melina to gain access to the outside world and look for a tarnished (one who is sure to seek the Elden Ring) and use/manipulate them in to burning the Erd Tree, thereby releasing her from her prison. Any of the endings work for this, except for the Frenzied Flame, since it destroys everything, which is why the GEQ (now freed, and no longer using the vessel Melina, so she looks like herself now) shows up at the frenzied flame ending and vows to bring you Destined Death. Torrent used to belong to the GEQ, not Miquella (there are several spectral steeds, not just one, as evidenced by the skeletons of them all over the place - plus Miquella's steed is a whiter color than Torrent, and Torrent has saddle bags, Miquella's does not). This is why the GEQ, during the Frenzied Flame ending, specifically picks up Torrents whistle from the ash, with sadness and anger. Ranni sought out the GEQ, in order to learn more about the Rune of Death, and how it might be used to free her from her empyrean bonds. The GEQ taught Ranni the dark ritual necessary to carry out her plan, knowing that Ranni would need to burn the Erd Tree to be successful - which would also free the GEQ from her prison. This is why Ranni knows who Torrent's former master is, and it's why she gives you the three wolves spirit ash.

@telerobotic

14 күн бұрын

This is pretty solid head canon, ngl. It’s very strange that the statue with the 3 wolves is that of a young person. She doesn’t appear the type to incite apostles dedicated to flaying the skin of gods, either. But very little in this game is as it first appears

Godrick is an offshoot of Godefroy

@garbageguy2599

14 күн бұрын

changes the whole lore omg

radagon is marika is gloam eyed queen is placidusax is miyazaki

@CyberMonty2077

8 күн бұрын

Finkle is Einhorn

Theory: Torrent is Marika.

At this point I'm very confident that Melina is everybody

@arthurgb1962

14 күн бұрын

Actually, thats Miquella

Video so good had to release it twice.

@garrulousgoldmask

15 күн бұрын

He's just that dedicated to exploring duality.

@puzzleheaded6195

15 күн бұрын

@@garrulousgoldmask Totally, freaking Loretubers amirite?

I love this theory! Also I think it’s weird that no one brings up that you find Marika’s “seal” which is literally an eye, in the Siofra River.

Maliketh is actually Godefroy

“Radagon is an anagram of A Dragon.” How have I not heard of this yet?

@jameshoffman9189

7 күн бұрын

It’s got a extra a in it so no

I also find it strange that Ranni the witch has 3 wolves outside at her doorstep at rannis rise, and then three dedicated followers. Then there's that statue in malikeths boss room of a young woman and three wolves....

@sebizzus

15 күн бұрын

She also gives you 3 wolfs

@facundovera3227

14 күн бұрын

Three Eternal Cities. Three Sisters of Caria Manor. Three demigod children. Three randomly located non-boss versions of Red Wolf of Radagon. Three towns for the inheritors of the Eternal above ground. _Three_ _co-conspirators_ _during_ _the_ _Night_ _of_ _the_ _Black_ _Knives._

Since the dawn of Souls lore Miyazaki has actively gone out of his way to make the lore as hard to understand as possible, Elden Ring is his Magnum Opus in confusing/mocking us

@guardianvalor962

15 күн бұрын

Did you know he has plans to make a game more abstract than ER?

@nnnnnnnnn8888

15 күн бұрын

He is on a mission to find the most abstract and deep ways to troll the players

@DanielGarcia-rx3kt

15 күн бұрын

​@@guardianvalor962 I wonder if by abstract he means a game with less real world analogs than in Elden Ring. While ER does have some crazy metaphysical concepts you need to figure out there's plenty of not abstract references to the real world in the game to build its narrative. The lore in ER is extremely vague and whatnot but there's parts of it that are not really that abstract. Look at Tarnished Archaeologist if you want some examples lol

The question is who *isn’t* Marika. Can you prove you’re not secretly Marika; how do I know I’m not Marika? I’m not deep enough in the Elden haze to understand this video yet

@GeneralTaco155555a

12 күн бұрын

Each character simultaneously having 3+ different versions of themselves, while also having multiple conflicting aspects within 1 body is a recurring thing in Elden Ring. It's best not to think too logically about characters being separate entities or not.

something i feel worth noting that further contextualizes the idea of divine beings producing "offshoots": there are many kami that have multiple shinto shrines dedicated to them. from the perspective of judeochristian theology, that might not seem all that significant, considering our abundance of worship buildings dedicated to a single deity, _except_ ... there's no symbolic or mystical connection between a kami and its shrine, the kami is meant to be _literally enshrined within the premises._ while kami are spiritual beings, they're also connected to the physical world to such an extent that cutting down a kotodama's tree doesn't upset it simply because it's an insult to its domain, it upsets it because you just destroyed what's both its home and its physical body. so it isn't as though kami are everywhere at once, nor do they just exist in multiple places simultaneously, least not in the traditional sense. they _can_ just up and leave a shrine to visit another, but it's still _leaving_ and the shrine is left without its principle kami. and while a minor kami attending two or three shrines through mundane methods might work out fine, even the divine start to sweat when they look at a situation like inari's and their thirty-two *_thousand_* shrines the solution to this is incredibly simple: if the single inari cannot attend all 32,000 shrines, then there simply needs to be 32,000 inari yes, kami can just be ritually divided into multiple instances, albeit "divided" describes the process moreso than it does the result. when a kami undergoes bunrei, you do not end up with two halves of the kami, you end up with two of the kami - almost like biological fragmentation ( which, yes, plants are capable of ) if both fragments instantly regenerated back to full health. the two kami share the same power, spirit, domain, and identity as the original, but importantly they _are no longer the same kami,_ and so their domain and mythos can develop fully independently from one another, to such an extent that they cease being recognized by the same names. inari, again, is a fantastic example as this, as while they've kept their name and their association with foxes throughout their many divisions, they've also become known as the kami of just about anything because the inari of different shrines have branched into their own spheres of influence, and when there's 32,000 of them all doing that, well,

My takeaway from this is that elden ring does not have more than one character 😂 it's Marika all the way down

One thing Ive never heard dicussed is Melina´s hair color, she´s the only one in the entire game with that kind of hair, and specially with the demigods you can see how important hair color is, either getting radagon´s red or marika´s blonde, but if you see Melina her hair isn´t quite red nor quite blonde, but an inbetween the two colors. Perhaps she´s the truest combinations of the genes of radagon and marika

@Skrilbot

2 күн бұрын

also Melina says she is not able to move freely, that her body was burned, same as ranni, who is also the only other character that knows torrent, not to mention that they both appear and disappear with the same animation and have similar but opposite sealed eyes. Might Melina be the other discarded self of ranni just like st trina is the other discarded self of Miquella? Might have Melina been separetaed or rather, born, when Ranni killed her emperian flesh?

@noth1ingoriginal535

2 күн бұрын

An specific item in the DLC confirms that she is a daughter of Radagon and Marika. And an specific spell of this DLC sugests that she was burned by spectral flame.

@silentsorrowbane

Күн бұрын

@@noth1ingoriginal535 i know of the first item. But which spell do you mean

@noth1ingoriginal535

Күн бұрын

@@silentsorrowbane The spell that the rememberance of the putrid knight gives you. It says that Death was burned by spectral flame long ago as well as it's body. While it doesn't directly address her, we have enough evidence to say that she, the gloamed-eyed queen had the black flame that took power directly from the rune of death could be considered as such and we also know thatvshe has no body.

@rayznbread603

9 сағат бұрын

It's really starting to get irritating hearing people try to speculate on theory that obviously never read item descriptions . Need a vati video

This aged like milk so fast.

@serdownofhousebad1127

Күн бұрын

He was off about the dlc stuff, but the rest of the theory can still hold some water. Unfortunately, we'll never get a true answer to this and many other burning questions

@rayznbread603

9 сағат бұрын

No his whole theory was thrown out because of the DLC maybe you should go read some fucking item description before just believing some dumb ass on KZread

So Marika, the Gloam-Eyed Queen of the Godskin Apostles who she raised to be the death of the gods was convinced she could use her dominion of Destined Death to cheat her own and become Eternal. As she began to realize her actions would leave her to Eternal suffering she began to lose blind faith in her own Order and a new alter-ego formed as Radagon who seeked perfection. And as her unwanted children were born with curses and deformities, as her Order continued to show faults, she was pushed to the brink and set a plan in motion to undo everything as to be free from the prison of Eternity she jailed herself into. As the the Night of the Black Knives and The Shattering took place, Melina also sprung forth.

@telerobotic

15 күн бұрын

⁠My schizo theory about Maliketh is that he is literally Marika’s Shadow and figuratively defeated the GEQ as he was made manifest, taking the rune of death from her god slaying blade and sealed into his own. His only memory is of Marika, which is why he appears so confounded when she later betrays his only purpose. Edit: I’m thinking along the same lines as when Darth Vader killed Anakin circa Order 66.

@Rockngames1

15 күн бұрын

the talk about "seduction", maybe that's the greater will seducing marika with the promise of eternity and order, cause i dont believe she reached that conclusion by herself and set her goals without external influences

@sclafantasy

15 күн бұрын

Spot on man. This has been where Im at now too when trying to interpret Marika’s motivations.

@telerobotic

15 күн бұрын

@@Rockngames1 Totally. I imagine there was a whole chain of seduction and betrayals all the way down, from whatever The Greater Will is, to the people that would become her subjects under this new order.

@romerobritto9094

15 күн бұрын

"Solemn duty weighs upon the one beholden; not unlike a gnawing curse from which there is no deliverance"

Melina is also Radagon, Morgott, Mohg, The Nameless King, Aldritch Saints of the deep and so on. Melina is Myazaki

99% of people have an identity crisis in elden ring. But no matter what game it is, patches is patches

@nottwo

14 күн бұрын

Patches is in touch with the Self rather than some impermanent self. That’s why his identity is immutable.

@norbertcsaszar4746

14 күн бұрын

Wait for the next video where turns out Patches is an interdimensional being,thus he is the Greater Will itself!

@Egorator

13 күн бұрын

DS3 Lapp? I guess that was amnesia, but I'd still count it as identity crisis, considering his dialogue.

Bold choice to start the video by asking the internet not to ruin something for you

There’s actually one key visual clue that connects Melina’s sealed eye with the beast eye. The beast eye item has very distinct three stripe markings, so far the closest match to the clawmark seal on Melina’s left eye (much more so than the deathbird claws to which many are drawing the connection!)

This is brilliant. I love the idea that we can use Milicent to infer where Melina comes from.

She winked at me, I thought she was my waifu

Is anybody not somebody else? Maybe the Frenzied Flame already won, and chaos has already taken the world… it’s just forgotten, in the chaos of it all 😂

@user-qj3vc8tx5c

13 күн бұрын

Indeed. The true eclipse is the frenzy flame and gold mask conjoined, the formless mother has merged with frenzy, you can see bloodflame emanating from the character.

I want to add one thing: the daughter of a queen can also be a queen. I remember Malenia being referenced somewhere as "The Red Queen"

@CrunchyVideos

8 күн бұрын

True, I think the helmet in 1.00. Not sure how I feel about that.

@thomaslamptonbickham2939

7 күн бұрын

@@CrunchyVideos Well, if you feel like you should reevaluate your theory, I would agree.

@CrunchyVideos

7 күн бұрын

@@thomaslamptonbickham2939 If you feel like you’re a douchebag you’re right

Crunchy: "...but that's a story for another time" Me *checking if I was accidentally watching Tarnished Archeologist*

Calling Radagon a tool... What does he weild? A hammer. You know what they say when your only tool is a hammer? Everything looks like a nail.

@RevanX77

12 күн бұрын

It's Marika's Hammer tho.

Given your discussion of snakes, and their relationship to the Erdtree, I'm surprised that you didn't point out all of the "snails" in the game are actually snakes disguised with a shell. It's clear if you look at frozen images of them, and you can fight "snail" skeletons in some of the graveyards, despite snails being invertebrates.

@CrunchyVideos

15 күн бұрын

Yes, and the Godskin Swaddling Cloth is carried by one of these “snails”

@tsarcastic3722

15 күн бұрын

Oh snap

I don't think it's spicy at all to say Melina is the Gloam-Eyed Queen, but I haven't heard anyone say Marika is the Gloam-Eyed Queen

@chancefreely

10 күн бұрын

Considering it’s implied that Marika and the Gloam Eyed Queen fought and eventually Marika defeated her eventually, I doubt it.

So marika is not only both the father and the mother BUT HER OWN DAUGHTER, TOO!!!?? That a level of freaky and narcissism, not even Greek gods, can reach xd

@warlordjr.jr.

14 күн бұрын

I mean...Athena was a thing. Zues birthed her from his forehead to inherit all his knowledge and wisdom.

@Saren_5

14 күн бұрын

@@warlordjr.jr. I think that with zeus there are at least 5 more convicing example but ye I got xd he is freaky too

@Bodgie7878

14 күн бұрын

To be fair, is it possible to be narcissistic as a god? Technically you ARE more important than everyone else lmao

@dom6637

14 күн бұрын

@@Bodgie7878 To answer your question, yes. But that's because what you described by itself isn't narcissism. Some narcissists may even believe they AREN'T important. Personality disorders are strange.

@swamp-yankee

8 күн бұрын

@@warlordjr.jr. Zeus is wild. There’s one about a woman he was interested in Hera thought was too pretty and turned into a cow, and I think he still smashed. Io

I believe Malenia didn't let the scarlet aeonia bloom out of pettiness for losing to Radahn but that she sacrificed herself and gave in to the outer god of rot to give Miquella's new order a fighting chance. If Radahn becomes Elden Lord he would uphold the status quo of the golden order, damning all that Miquella tries to accomplish.

@Scadu_Orhyn

14 күн бұрын

I do agree, that Beating Radahn was important for Miquella’s motives. But I think it’s deeper than that. It could be, like you said, that Radahn threatens the seat of Elden Lord… but I think his necessary death is MUCH more related to the stars. Miquella likely wanted Malenia to kill Radahn, and resume the movement of the stars. What do we know about Stars in Elden Ring? Well, the basics of it are that they control the fate of the demigods (Amber starlight). Stars are also particularly important because it is a Star that birthed the very, and titular, Elden Ring (Elden Stars incantation). Obviously, I won’t know for sure right now what Miquella needed Radahns death for, but it’s surely related to Miquella’s goals and fate. It’s much deeper than Miquella feeling threatened by Radahn’s possible lordship. Radahn’s death was SO important for Miquella’s goals that Malenia felt it NECESSARY to abandon her sense of self and honour for the benefit of the greater picture.

@petercottantail7850

13 күн бұрын

she rotted because they came to a standstill, dex charm description tells us the curved swordsman trained melina, the dancer charm implies hes the one to stop the rot god in the past. most likely he taught her how to suppress the rot, blue cloth cowl description says as water turns fowl, stagnation to decay, gideon always says the fight came to a standstill, its pretty clear the game is telling us she needed to keep moving or her flowing water would go fowl, which is the name of her attack, water fowl dance. nor water flow anymore

Again: Blah blah blah, MARIKA IS EVERYONE AND EVERYTHING WE KNOW THIS GUYS! COME ON!

Marika is a Snake has major Solaire is a Sandworm energy

thank you for outright saying you're staying spoiler free, as am I. Can't tell you how many videos I've had to just stop early because I was unsure where they were going and it seemed like spoiler territory. You're the best, Crunchy.

@jesselane7491

14 күн бұрын

SAME!

We are also Marika, and Torrent, and Millicent, we are everybody in the game...

I still think Melina is Miquella. Marika became a sword for the Elden Beast.

so im delusional for thinking that Ranni and Melina are the same person or related or something like that?

...the "strawberry-blond" hair is one of the most bonkers obvious things I've never put together. Of COURSE there's some sort of Radagon/Marika stuff going on with that. Of COURSE!

We now know who is in love with Radahn lol

@facundovera3227

13 күн бұрын

If Radahn's lover, [REDACTED] turns out be a sorcerer I swear I'm going to lose it.

13:37 just for some evidence that disputes this theory. Rannis eye remains sealed even after blaidd has been killed

@Solibrae

14 күн бұрын

That's true, but maybe killing the shadow merely gives the Empyrean the ability to use their sealed self again, not that it's forced upon them.

dear god he has cracked the case just in time for the DLC

This has some amazing points! I do think you're really missing the mark on Malenia however. Saying that she whipped out the rot just because she couldn't stand to lose to gigachad Radahn and she was just butthurt or something hugely undermines who she is imo. She has never known defeat, sure. She definitely takes pride in that. (And I agree that Millicent represents her pride which she was forced to shed in that battle) But above her pride is her loyalty to miquella and her belief in him. She unleashed the rot because Radahn /had/ to lose that fight for miquella's goals to happen. There's the eclipse of castle Sol for one, and now the fact that he's required for the dlc, which we know is basically miquella's whole story now. Malenia def wasn't fighting him for funsies. Miquella's driving motivation (or one of them) is to cure his sister. She trained with the blind swordsman. We know for a Fact that Malenia likely despises the rot. She wouldn't have let herself succumb to it over hurt pride. That's just not who she is. And while that's a lot deeper into her than you may have wanted to go in your Melina video, all too often I see this fandom fall into this really weird, mildly misogynistic, and most importantly boring read that it's the gigachad Radahn vs the soy rotcucked Malenia. It totally misses our on her character and how tight she is Plus like, Radahn is cool enough as is without needing to shit on Malenia. Brother fought space and won. Let them both be cool

@mikeheiser3728

14 күн бұрын

Let them both be cool, but not flawed. Good idea. This had some amazing points! Unfortunately, now we are trying to get into Malenia’s head (impossible) and how would we know the reason she nuked Caelid? We would not! No offense to you but I don’t think that while she was self-desctructing she was thinking of Miquella. She wishes she could introduce herself to Radahn as many times as she does to the Tarnished, but she basically hit a brick wall until she used a status effect to erode that wall. Also. Radahn doesn’t have feet anymore. This entire reply was a ruse just to get to this point. Why are the cripples some of the coolest fights in Elden Ring? (Albinaurics on wolfback are Not Cool.)

Spoiler: Radika is Maragon

So, you dipped your toe into Carl Jung's human psyche and gnosticism, and when it all starts to fall into place, you pull back. The lands between is the inner world of somebody who is struggling with a traumatic event, mainly survivors guilt. The main characters are major archetypes (shadow, self, ego, animus, persona) and the demigods are the archetypes (the mother, the lover, the sage, the martyr, the hero, the caregiver, the everyman, the rebel), side characters are complexes (memories, emotions), invaders (intrusive thoughts). Melina and Millicent are examples of branching. And the Gloam-Eyed Queen seems to be the Nyx type character that we need to visit, along with the character that represents the traumatic event, the death of the twin sibling, in order to achieve individuation. Spiritual Enlightenment.

@nottwo

14 күн бұрын

It’s weird that people insist on it being Jung and Gnosticism and ignore the ideas that influenced Jung like Kaballah, hermeticism, alchemy, Neoplatonism, rosicrucianism, and plain old vanilla Christian mysticism.

@nottwo

14 күн бұрын

The game is basically Western Esotericism: The Musical without the singing and dancing. Plus obviously a lot of Eastern undercurrents. But those undercurrents are usually present in a lot of Western Esotericism anyways.

@thecrankyoldman

14 күн бұрын

@@nottwo not ignoring any of the other ancient and mythological works at all. As you even mentioned yourself, Jung was influenced by the other material, which he then basically packaged together into one slightly easier 'digestible' package.

@thecrankyoldman

14 күн бұрын

@@nottwo I think I explained a lot of the core story elements in 1 paragraph, with examples. Which I'm sure some people will find rather handy to help understand the story of Elden Ring a little better.

i mean, theres more than one symbolical meaning for snakes in the mythologies that elden ring draws off of so varied snake imagery would make sense. theres jörmungandr, an ourobouros like sea serpent in norse myth that brings the end of the world should it ever let go of biting its tail, nidhogg, another snake from norse myth that chews on the roots of the greattree, in christianity theres obvioulsy the serpent of eden, theres the caduceus and aesclepius, staffes with snakes (two for the caduceus one for the aesclepius) that often symbolize medicine, used in greek and roman myth aswell as alchemy and later commonly adopted by christian apothecaries, and that list can go much longer if you want to include asian serpentine dragons or various forms of sea serpents

this is getting more and more apocryphaic.

What if the empyreans are like Marika and Radagon, two halfs of one being. Marika found this out and separated these halves of her empyrean children. She then beheaded and entombed the unwanted half's in the walking mausoleums. This could be why Malenia seems half of herself to other npcs and Miquella can't age.

Out of all the theories regarding Melina's identity, this one makes the most sense. The Tarnished player character being Godwyn is one I'd like to see you do a video on next... It explains the reason why they're the only Tarnished that is seemingly immortal among other things (such as two of the game's endings, a certain boss' dialogue etc)

@jackhague3828

15 күн бұрын

Correct me if there's in-game evidence that contradicts this, but I believe the reason our Tarnished can come back from death where others can't is because we are the only ones actively receiving the guidance of grace. Rogier confirms that he could once see it but no longer can, and I kind of extrapolated from that the other Tarnished we meet are in the same boat as him. As an aside, I've also always assumed that this is what the Tabel of Lost Grace's purpose is. It's literally a well for the grace bestowed onto Tarnished, and when that grace is removed it is returned to the well (i.e. why there is more grace gathered above the table than anywhere else in the game). This is really interesting because it implies that grace might be an expendable resource that needs to be recycled, rather than just "created" infinitely by Marika for new and upcoming Tarnished, and could explain why the guidance of grace is taken away from Tarnished who could once see it. Statistically speaking, the more Tarnished who can see grace, the higher the chance that one will become Elden Lord and follow whatever Marika's plan is, so why take it away from them at all?

@user-gh6sn3wd7v

15 күн бұрын

@@jackhague3828 That was my initial impression as well, but apparently the Volcano Manor Tarnished and Hoarah Loux can also see it. Yet none of them seem to be able to immediately vanish upon death only to respawn after some time like the player character can.

@thekeeper1287

15 күн бұрын

​@@user-gh6sn3wd7vdon't forget Gideon. He he can see the guidance of grace too right? (I honestly forgot if he's just lazy or not when it comes to gathering runes. Or he physically can't cause he doesn't have grace to guide him)

@petespeedsxp4967

15 күн бұрын

i don't know about the "being Godwyn" thing. but Zayf the scholar just did a video, where he presents evidence that the player could be a demigod from one of the walking mausoleums. (we can here there bells, stomps, etc. in the intro cinematic when we awake.) wich would also explain our immortality.

@user-gh6sn3wd7v

14 күн бұрын

@@petespeedsxp4967 yeah there is another version of that theory out there according to which that demigod is none other than Godwyn (or his disembodied soul?). That's why the Tarnished is shown waking up inside an area that heavily resembles the room Radagon can later be found in instead of a walking mausoleum

I don’t believe Malenia released the rot because she was losing necessarily, as they’re depicted as both fighting to a stalemate. I thought it was apparent that she released her rot in an attempt to gain favour in the fight, but it wasn’t enough to destroy Radahn. Leaving both of them incapacitated. Thus a stalemate regardless. But I guess we don’t have enough evidence to really say for sure 🤷‍♀️

@CrunchyVideos

14 күн бұрын

Millicent says explicitly that Malenia abandoned the dignity which allowed her to resist the call of the scarlet rot in order to meet Radahn’s measure

@pizzamozarella2608

14 күн бұрын

@@CrunchyVideos So do you think Malenia was aware that the rot would not actually kill radahn, and so she simply bloomed to remain "undefeated"?

@CrunchyVideos

14 күн бұрын

@@pizzamozarella2608 I don’t know if she thought she could win exactly, but I do think if she hadn’t done it she would have lost

@tingle_sugar1817

12 күн бұрын

@@CrunchyVideos Truee she does say that, I keep looking back on the short scene we get of the Malenia and Radahn on the battlefield. And they seem to be at a resting point after already taking some swings at one another. I truly believe she was capable of holding her own against Radahn, she just wasn't able to get a win over on him because he was so powerful. So she released the rot and even that wasn't enough. But I really have a hard time believing she was close to losing, or that she necessarily would have suffered a bigger loss than Radahn would have. I honestly thought they were a match in strength, Malenia with her Rot, and Radahn with his gravity magic.

Surprisingly, I disagree with almost everything in this video. Firstly, the idea of distancing Melina from the GEQ on the basis of gloam not being purple - I think it's clear based on all the Godskin's jewels that the color of the GEQ's eye is purple. Additionally, if we say that Melina has a sealed eye because their shadowed aspects are sealed away, where is Melina's shadow? Or, if Melina is Marika's shadow, why is it that neither Blaidd or Maliketh themselves have sealed eyes? Or Marika herself for that matter, though we never see her unbroken face as far as I know. Secondly, there's this idea that Ranni represents freedom from the Greater Will and subjugation to God, but in light of the fact that we need to free the stars in order to have the fate they've dictated for her come true, I'm not sure that's the case. In a similar vein, this idea that Malenia choosing to cast off her sense of self and unleash the Scarlet Rot is the result of a weakness of character. It could easily be said that if she had chosen to prioritize her pride and sense of self, that's just as much of a flaw as the opposite. Is it really better that somebody choose death over change? In this way, if we say that Marika shattered the Elden Ring and set all of this in motion to avoid becoming Radagon and to die as herself, is that actually supposed to be a good thing?

@CrunchyVideos

12 күн бұрын

I don’t think the jewel makes it obvious; “Gloam-Eyed” doesn’t have to refer to a color at all. She could just have an eye for gloam, ie a worldview aimed at dusk in some metaphorical sense. In any case, I do eventually agree with the idea that Melina is meant to connote the GEQ, even if I don’t think the evidence is strong that she *is* the GEQ. As for the sealed eyes, perhaps I wasn’t clear, but I think Melina is an offshoot of Marika, so her sealed eye corresponds to Marika’s shadow of Maliketh. Essentially, I think Marika would have looked a lot like Melina at some point. The second question is a bit more complicated, and I probably could have spent more time on that. I think that Miyazaki rarely presents binary moral choices, so looking for the “good” alternative is a bit misleading in my view. The game deals with the idea of free will and duty in a nuanced and ambiguous way. I think it’s saying something about the idea that being a leader means making yourself beholden to those you lead, and a related but different idea that to achieve greatness means sacrificing your humanity. There’s more to it than that, but I wouldn’t say that either option you mentioned is clearly better or worse. I was being cheeky about Malenia, but I think there is both a negative association to her abandoning her dignity as well as a positive association of noble sacrifice, and I don’t think it’s meant to be clear cut.

@GeneralTaco155555a

12 күн бұрын

Melina represents a piece of Marika that has been cut out and sealed away to become bodiless. This was done by removing the Rune of Death (Destined Death) from Marika and the Elden Ring she embodies. Marika cut out her destiny to die and become a death goddess, which resulted in her becoming Marika, Queen of the Golden Order (the Goddess of Life) instead. Ranni shares the sealed eye and bodiless attributes as Melina with the claw of the deathbird tattooed over the eye of her spirit self. These similarities indicate a connection in methodology at least. I believe it's safe to say that Marika and Ranni used a similar technique except Ranni only had 1 soul in her body, so her body just died instead of being taken over by another spirit/aspect. The connection between Ranni, Marika, and the Black Knife Assassins is too close not to be a coincidence. It'd make sense if Ranni learned how to become bodiless from the numen's knowledge of what Marika did with Melina. I believe that Empyreans are essentially the spirits associated with a Rune capable of incorporating the Elden Ring. When these spirits exist within a body, they become fated to become a God by the stars. The Elden Ring is essentially a mishmash of powerful runes held together by the rune of an Empyrean who is then considered God. Outer Gods aren't external beings, they are the pull of fate (the stars) leading characters that have a potential to achieve deific status with their Runes. Miquella's Needle is "unfinished" and has to be used outside of time in order to work properly (fate/time/the stars/Outer Gods are all related). Radahn's study of gravity magic allowed him to pause the fate, which halted the ability of Empyreans to become Gods. Perhaps his use of gravity magic caused an acceleration of Malenia's fate to become the Goddess of Rot, and she bloomed. At some point, (probably after defeating the Fire Giants, as an unintended consequence of her actions) Marika gained a new Empyrean spirit/aspect within her: Radagon. Radagon's rune is a latticework capable of binding the Elden Ring together tightly and represents Totality, so she couldn't just cut him out like she did with Melina. This explains the whole conversation "Thou art yet to become me. Thou art yet to become a God... Let us be shattered, both. Mine other self." Marika has no other way to stop Radagon from replacing her and becoming a God besides completely shattering the Elden Ring and her body. Ranni did not wish to obey her fate as an Empyrean to become a Goddess as she views an individual's will (free will) as being more important than the Greater Will of the universe (fate itself). Ranni's ending is essentially ending the idea of fate, and therefore of Empyreans and Gods, so that everyone can choose their own paths. instead of being lead by fate to become a different person as a God.

@RevanX77

11 күн бұрын

@@GeneralTaco155555a Again, I see this idea that Ranni's ending represents freedom and choice, but I don't see how that squares with the idea that she had you unbind the stars so that she could achieve the fate they decided for her. In her ending fate still exists, it's just taken to the stars so that people live in ignorance of what the nature of the world's Order is. And from this we can assume that people will once again return to scrying the stars to discern fate.

@GeneralTaco155555a

11 күн бұрын

@@RevanX77 Radahn halted fate while Ranni was still an Empyrean. Her fate was still tied to the unmoved stars until Radahn is killed. And nah, by not inheriting the Elden Ring, Ranni breaks the cycle of fate and the idea of Gods existing in the Lands Between. Free will is just the absence of direction by the Greater Will. Scrying would be useless because the Greater Will of the universe no longer dictates fate in the Lands Between. You can infinitely say "well free will doesn't really exist if an omnipotent being knows all possible futures," but it's a moot point: For all intents and purposes, it is free will.

@RevanX77

11 күн бұрын

@@GeneralTaco155555a She has Radahn killed explicitly so the fate dictated to her by the stars will happen. She's following her fate, not breaking away from it. And I don't see why you think she doesn't inherit the Elden Ring. She says outright that she's implementing her own Order, just keeping it at a far remove. Also you seem to keep conflating ignorance with free will, no that's obviously not the case. If the Order of the world is being decided "under the wisdom of the moon" (a moon that Ranni was warned to fear and evidently didn't), then it's all the same except that people are being kept in the dark.

Saying Malenia "used a cheat code to beat Radahn" even though it's her main ability is crazy. This is like saying "Goku used a cheat code to beat Frieza!" even though his abilities are something he was born with 😭

@Ottomanlobster4287

14 күн бұрын

Nah its like Gon against Neferpitou in HxH because it wasnt his own power that he used, rather a last way out to nuke everything or like Megumi summoning Mahoraga in JJK

@un1versalI

14 күн бұрын

@@Ottomanlobster4287 Don't watch HXH so i'm not gonna try and act like Ik what that means, but that's clearly not applicable since you said he used a power he didn't have originally. Malenia literally was born with hers. Same with Megumi. He's literally born with that attack, so he should be allowed to use it.

@Ottomanlobster4287

14 күн бұрын

@@un1versalI yeah he was born with it but its not his because he hasn't tamed Big Raga same for Malenia she also has no control to the Scarlet Rot but i understand your point

snake part is a stretch? imho marika the GEQ gained her immortality by slaying (maybe having a child with?) the immortal snake god. hence god-slaying flame (what god did it slay?), godskins being snakelike, eiglay church skin, etc. but the serpent hunter spear suggests there literally was a gigantic monstrous immortal serpent god in history, before Rykard found one of its children and fed himself to it. And the serpent god, formless serpent assassins etc don't seem related to the Godskins. I think that official trailer opens with a shot of Marika, the GEQ, immediately after killing the immortal serpent god and taking its divinity for herself, becoming a god, and the godskin nobles & apostles are wearing that god's skin.

The eye bit about messmer's eye being sealed was correct

Yeah okay after hearing you slander Malenia's honor 5 times in a row - i have to share. She needed to kill Radahn - Miquella's orders.

@wambo1631

4 күн бұрын

comrade

@kourvus

4 күн бұрын

@@wambo1631 it was actually pissin me off😂

@gekikara23

Күн бұрын

he just sounded like another one of those Radahn fanboys, and most of them are extremely annoying. Malenia using something she was born with is "cheat code", but Radahn using a meteor that doesn't belong to him is not.

12:40 why is he sniffing me

so melina is marika's nobody?

@Lastninjaxoxoxoxox

14 күн бұрын

Nomura's bullshit is taking over every franchise now

At this point, we might as well say every character with a name beginning with 'M' in Elden Ring is the same person

@l.o.v.e-sick5330

14 күн бұрын

Marika, Maliketh, Morgott, Mohg, Malenia, Miquella, Melina, Millicent, Maureen, Mary, Maleigh, Miriam, Moongrum...You know who also starts with M?Miranda. And you know who also starts with M? _Miyazaki and Martin_

@Solibrae

14 күн бұрын

@@l.o.v.e-sick5330 Everyone is a Mimic.

if killing maliketh is what opens melina'"shadow sealed" eye, then why doesn't ranni's eye open after we kill blaidd?

@nottwo

14 күн бұрын

Does the spirit actually appear in the age of stars ending? I vaguely remember it being just the doll. That’s the only time we see her after killing Blaidd, if we actually bother killing him.

@signalbeams

14 күн бұрын

@@nottwo Yes

Marika is everyone

A bit unrelated: but I don’t think Malenia cheated via being “dissatisfied” with her “undefeated” title. It’s pretty obvious that the “blade of Miquella” served their entire purpose to Miquella, her brother. Malenia even threw away her godgiven duties as Empyrean, to become Miquella’s Blade. She cared not for glory, as glory is what came with her dedication to her Brother. She cared not for the Great Runes, because she’d have Godricks by now. This was completely unrelated, I know. Sorry. But it’s just a tangential aspect of the vid I’d like to talk about, considering how much people misconstrued Malenia’s character. Yes, she abandoned her Pride - as Millicent is a representation of this. Not to win for personal glory, but more that she abandoned her honour for Miquella’s “promise”, for Miquella’s greater cause…. Whatever that means. Radahn is a mandatory death for the DLC. So we’ll learn why exactly Miquella had Malenia march on caelid

I don't think Malenia transformed because of win or lose sense. I think Malenia had to defeat Radahn because of the Miquella. We know that god's fate holding in stars. Radahn was also holding the stars. So Miquella had to abonden his fate. So Malenia wanted to take down Radahn because of Miquella. If Miquella can't complete his fate then how he can help Malenia? SPOILERS FROM THE DLC DOWNBELOW!!!!!!! DON'T READ IF YOU DON'T WANT ANY SPOILERSS🥰🥰🥰🥰🥰 Maybe, curing demi-gods requires more power or even fate. Because Miquella also healed a Radahn warrior (Freya) effected from Scarlet Rot. But more over, Malenia didn't effected simply from Scarlet Rot. The Rot God associeted with herself. She is it's vassal like the Elden Beast with Golden Order. So Miquella has incredibly amount of healing powers but this power even don't enough for the get rid of from Outer God's influence. So, maybe that's why Miquella abonden his flesh. Because maybe ascending to Godhood means can defeat Rot itself. Not even just sealing away maybe? Being god means you are extra powerful of course. The other interesting part is when Melina dies in the fight, she does a healing spell. And If I remember correctly, we can get this incantation in the DLC. Melina also uses incantations like Marika and has healing abilites like Miquella. So there is a highly chance she and Miquella are siblings. Also to the item description Marika tought this incantation who close to her. That incantation also an ancient one. So, Melina and Marika knows themselves maybe even face to face. They are close, so they are not in like Millicent and Malenia relationship. They know each other.

Not the malenia slander

Ok so I got an alternative theory that from what I have seen nobody else has said what if the gloom eyed queen is Daedicar I mean we've seen that losing all of your skin isn't really enough to kill you thanks to Marika sealing off the rune of death and we know that the snake men aka the people who both work with and seem to have a lot of respect for the godskins are the offspring of Daedicar's promiscuity so what if the godskins are just snake men born with aspects of the crucible just like the omen are to humans I guess the only real counter point to this is that Daedicar was supposedly skinned before destined death was sealed but hey if the gloom eyed queen really was a god then who's to say her spirit couldn't keep her body sustained even despite such an injury

I got a new theory: boc is marika

Ive always thought that the Shield of the Guilty a reference to Melina. The item description reads: “Shield made to venerate a maiden whose eyes were crushed by Briars of Sin before being reborn in these lands.” The shield depicts a maiden with her left eye being gouged by briars, the same eye Melina had blinded. Food for thought

@CrunchyVideos

14 күн бұрын

I believe in 1.00 it said it was a goddess who was reborn, but I’ll have to check that

Melina is Marika before she ascended out of the shadow lands Marika had to burn her shadow to exit the shadow lands in contrast to how Miquella had to divest his light to enter the shadow lands. Failing this i think its fair to say that Muriel is responsible for the night of black knives

@redx3009

15 күн бұрын

It would be so cool if Marika resembled Melina before obtaining the golden strands and it will explain why Melina stands out for having different hair color.

Me: *staring blankly into space after all that* Yeah so uhhhh Merika is Bock, got it

Maybe I’m looking too deep, but when quoting Marika at the churches, Melina calls her “Queen Marika”. When talking about her mother, she just says “my mother”.

Jesus, this must be the most unhinged theory I ever heard beside the mushroom theory

Radagon = A Dragon Marika = A Karim Marika's true name is Karim

@mysterin5061

14 күн бұрын

iKarma

@hiddenshadow2105

13 күн бұрын

Almost as if 'miracle', lacking only 'l'

Since everyone is marika, I could argue Torrent is as well right?😂😮

SPOILER: RADAHN IS TORRENT

I still think Ranni's puppet body is the gloam eyed queen's corpse and Melina is the soul. She even says she burned and bodiless. I think her fate was the basis for Ranni fracturing her own body and soul using Godwyn.

@zebbernholtz5550

3 күн бұрын

How would the GEQ’s body and soul separate? Ranni needed to kill Godwyn and carve the Rune of Death to do so.

Everyone is Marika

@sclafantasy

14 күн бұрын

See the centeredtarnished for proof

I would say this: after Godwyn died Marika saw the flaw in her own order, her order could not give him a true death. So she understood that her own order had failed her own wants and desires. When she "later" says to Radagon "lets be broken together" she will try to fix her own mistake and let Radagon deal with the broken elden ring. They are both working on fixing something that isnt working properly and from Marikas point of view death has to be incorporated into the elden ring once again because that is the what she perceives to be the problem. I think the gloam eyed queen is aptly named, gloam eyed could simplemeans she sees death, she could had been the queen of death within the golden order before Marika, but before Marika had lost Godwyn she believed the world would be better without a proper death. So she asked Maliketh to take the rune of death from the gloam eyed queen so she could create her own golden order without death. Now the gloam eyed queen has no power in the world anymore but she isnt dead, she is a spirit without a purpose. So queen marika wants death within the world again, she breaks herself and her golden order so her new found purpose can find line again. We know melina doesnt know who she is, that she doesnt remember that fits perfectly with the gloam eyed queen, and her mother is that one that bring her back to life, and there is no life without a purpose to that life, which in other words means, a meaning to life. The frenzied flame represents that life should have no meaning, everything should be reduced down into the same, and if everything is the same you can not have a purpose or a meaning because those things represents something better.

Seriously one of the best lore videos I've seen. Great stuff dude! Subbed.

I chalked it up to Marika rebirthed Melina who was originally the Gloam Eyed Queen and the original keeper of the rune of Death aka Destined Death. During the rebirthing process Marika imprinted a mission on her, the only problem is Melina was only able to be reborn as a spirit instead of a full rebirth of body and soul.

So much to think about. I think you've nailed a lot of valid points! What if the God of the lands between is always the same matter, just broken down and reused, like soil when growing a crop or tree? There's so much of the lore that can be contextualized in terms of crop plant genetics, where the demigods get rid of traits by selectively removing them when they regenerate through different acts. At the same time, I would also suggest Marika is also the erdtree. By the time the game starts, it's been burned at least once (see the ashes all over Leyndell), but not destroyed, just like most of the evidence of Marika. Also, Marika has two full arms while hanging from the remains of the rune arc in the erdtree, but when she becomes Radagon, he's missing significantly more of his body, like he's burning away. And finally, if his name is an anagram of "a dragon" then could her name be read as "kimara" or chimera? Since she's capable of being a mix of many things?

We NEED a revised theory regarding melina post DLC, now that her identity has been confirmed!!

@obsidion_sings

10 сағат бұрын

It has? Where in the DLC has it been confirmed???

@jonathonmama4921

9 сағат бұрын

@@obsidion_sings messmer's flame item description

@rayznbread603

9 сағат бұрын

Yeah it describes her without naming her by name this guy did an awful job doing research she's not even close to being marika she is her own character

Glad to see another lore hunter not assume that gloam = purple! The Erdleaf Flower, fwiw, is specifically called a “dusky yellow” so technically anything or anyone with yellow eyes could also have gloam eyes, like the serpents, those who have undergone Dragon Communion, or maybe even those inflicted with the Flame of Frenzy (though that last one may be a bit of a stretch). I do like the idea of the Empyrean Shadows being their psychological shadows as well. And in the 1.00 version, the Beast Eye was explicitly called the “gouged out eye of Maliketh.” I also wonder if the motif of lost eyes could also be an allusion to plucking your eye out if it causes you to sin (Matthew 18:9).

@fastenedcarrot9570

15 күн бұрын

There's also the whole Odin thing of losing an eye to gain a more metaphysical vision. The characters with missing eyes all seem to have extra insight on the world that others don't.

@garrulousgoldmask

15 күн бұрын

@@fastenedcarrot9570 Definitely! Especially since he hung himself on a cross to unlock the power of runes...

Great theory and video, the Malenia-Millicent parallel is spot-on.

Melina is the good in marika...which makes sense why she is so small because well....lady had a black heart.

I'm not sure that Malenia did release the scarlet rot out of bitterness. I think the flaw in her "heroic concept" is not that she was prideful, but blindly loyal. Her epithet, "Blade of Miquella" gives the impression that she is no less than the representation of Miquella's intentions made into action. For one, I think that it's important to keep in mind what her motives were. If it was to gain a second great rune and reach the erdtree, then why would she have spared Godrick? I do think that she released the rot as a last resort, but that she was determined to kill radahn on Miquella's behalf to resume the movement of the stars (after all, radahn has to be defeated to access the DLC). Anyway, you're my absolute fave elden ring channel, your Godfrey video is literally my favorite lore video ever. Thanks for reading this!

I love the just casual bomb drop at 14:00 "Mesmer is Michela" I think it's spot on this is such a a fascinating theory and I love it all!

Millicent being the dignity Malennia abandoned makes so much effin sense. 🔥🔥🔥

Bro thank you for making this video. I've been theorizing the same thing recently just didn't have all the connections u made. There's symbolism and connection between so many characters and the fact that identity is confirmed to be convoluted suggests this theory's possibility

What if marika is actually radagon's alter ego, as opposed to the other way around. There seems to be a link between being a god and being femme. Maybe radagon was an alchemist, maybe on the fringes, who wanted to become more - by being a god. If the only way to be a god in this world was to be a woman, radagon may have used his scholastic nature to become a rebus. And perhaps, that rebus took on a mind of its own. Addendum: the term 'gloam-eyed' doesn't need to refer to color at all. Gloam (or dusk) is a transitionary period. To be 'gloam-eyed' might simply be read as 'with a focus towards twilight', i.e. the gloam-eyed queen was simply one focused on transitioning one age into the next. Gloam also includes the transition from night to day, so sunrise effectively ends the gloamy period. What if radagon was the gloam-eyed queen, focusing on bringing in the new age with his fabulous new titties and platinum hair.

This is great stuff!!

Some Spoilers here: Based on what was revealed about St. Trina being the "Discarded Half" of Miquella by Thiollier. I wonder if the GEQ is Marika's rejected half as opposed to Radagon. Maybe the Shaman people or particularly a Shaman that has been raised to Godhood will undergo an occasional spiritual mitosis rather than simply springing into being with their one and only other half for eternity. Marika and the GEQ being gold and purple would also mirror Miquella and St Trina's respective thematic colors of gold and purple as well. Maybe if Miquella had been allowed to remain a god for his own age he would eventually create another offshoot of himself with red hair and conjoin with them to become a full Rebis just like Marika and Radagon eventually did. Or maybe my frenzy meter has been filled and I am just afflicted with madness.

@rayznbread603

9 сағат бұрын

Wow please don't use your brain anymore

Least schizoid Elden Ring item description reader

This is my exact theory to a t!!!! Of course I love hearing new perspectives I never wouldve considered even when it goes against mine but... I gotta admit, it feels nice to get your own theory validated by a sick Loretuber 😅💖🔥 Thanks for what you do!

@garbageprince

14 күн бұрын

Just wanted to clarify that you've fleshed it out a lot more than my lil theory about offshoots tho 😅 you gave me so much to think about 💖 you even got my gears turnin on a few other things too. Great vid

oh my god you mentioning blaidd being ranni's divested primal part just made me realize that he is her shadow not just because he follows and protects her or is part of her, but also because he is an embodiment of her Jungian shadow

@hiddenshadow2105

15 күн бұрын

Blaidd is too nice of the guy to be something like that, I think.

yes brooooo finally!! I definitely fuck with the idea that marika was the GEQ. Been doing a lot of research and that was one of the theories I had. Thanks for putting this out there!

the most correct theory vid theres ever been

An interesting detail about the blade of calling is that you find it in a hidden office in the tower leading to the snowfields. This implies it's a blade given to people of decent rank within the erdtree governmental hierarchy. It's similarities with the black knife implies that the black knife assassins didn't just come up out of the eternal cities with black knives in hand, but may perhaps have been members of the erdtree government and given these blades of calling, and then modified them with the rune of death to commit the night of the black knives assassinations. Also, immediately after the tower with the hidden office you see the vulgar militiamen along with a blackblade gargoyle and the red-tinged gold grace (think: crucible) floating through the air which reasonably matches the colour of the spike through Marika's womb. All of this links to Malekith in some way. So if when Malekith defeated the gloam-eyed queen he did indeed defeat Marika herself it would shed light on why Malekith is lamenting. I've had a long-running theory that the gloam-eyed queen was responsible for burning down the erdtree, so if Marika was the gloam-eyed queen then it gives a stronger link to Melina. But perhaps the order of events is not quite right. The first cardinal sin of the erdtree refers to kindling being lit, and I wonder if that kindling actually refers to these body doubles like Melina, which implies she was alive before the tree was burnt down.

@mattb6616

2 күн бұрын

it's a hidden jail. the door is barred and there's a guard posted. granted, it's a very nice al capone-like jail, but it's a jail.

I love this theory! It really helps solidify how Marika can be Radagon AND Melina.

Malenia needed to win at any cost, but I don’t think it’s fair to assume it was pride and being salty was the reason for it

@jellydamgood

14 күн бұрын

It most likely was, cause she got no backup plan for that, and had to be hauled back to the haligtree by one of the underlings. That's not saying it isn't planned, but damn, if that's the case, that's really fucked up, like what Omshinrikyou did. One of the most evil things you can do.

@warlordjr.jr.

14 күн бұрын

​@@jellydamgoodit's even worse because despite the cost, she still failed to kill Radahn and unshackle the stars for the Eclipse ritual. Here she is 5,000 years later catatonic in the rotted Haligtree roots, absent of Miquella, and telling herself she didn't lose when she's an icon of defeat at that point.

@sunstrid3r44

14 күн бұрын

yeah, the malenia rant was boderline unbearable, it felt like i was reading a reddit rant from a 12 years old. Never saw someone missunderstand a character so much when you have a massive questline about how malenia had to let go her pride and was so devoted to miquela's cause

@pizzamozarella2608

14 күн бұрын

​@@jellydamgood It is clearly evil from our perspective, but its not really more evil than the things many nations do (and would do if they could) to win wars. I think there are some """valid""" reasons that Malenia would need to consider nuking Caelid if she ever wanted to actually get rid of Radahn. For starters, if Malenia retreated and they had a rematch later, then I think Radahn would be more likely to gain the upper hand as he seemed to be constantly growing(before scarlet rot) , opposed to Malenia whos constantly decaying. Malenia could also have been panicked about Miqu's disappearance which gave her a sense of urgency, I can imagine something like Ranni whispering things to Malenia in order to have her kill Radahn, but thats pure speculation. In the end, you have to keep in mind the stakes of the battle, to Malenia and possibly Miquella, Caelid was their enemy in a war that would decide the fate of the world.