Thank you Nahre Sol. I would not have known about the Elbphilharmonie or Angel Bat Dawid and Tha Brotherhood without you. Live long live music and culture!

She a Angel for Real

Black woman: "I make music about my experiences as a black woman." White men: "I can't relate to this music therefore it must be bad."

still love your music!

Thank you for this interview! Super interesting to watch

This reminds me of a guy that was upset that he got beat in a competition by folks that wrote atonal pieces. The dissonance makes it sound more like a horror film score than music that the overwhelming majority of people listen to. But I suppose if you want to voice some kind of dark state of mind or something horrible, then this works, and in that case, gets the message across perfectly.

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im a fan of the avant garden as much as the next fellow, but this is just astoundingly bad

@Bati_

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This is Free Jazz, not entirely Avant-Garde jazz. Free improvisation is not only a musical phenomena but often times also a cultural and political manifesto such as in the case of Free Jazz movement. Avant-garde is a very broad term, Cecil Taylor’s improv skills are beyond masterful level but most listeners associate it with being technically incompetent, that’s not the focus of this style of music. You can see a wide spectrum of technical skills among many greats of avant-garde jazz including John Coltrane, Sun Ra, Eric Dolphy, William Parker, and many others. In avant-garde jazz, compositional aspect is much more profound, such as the work of Charles Mingus, he is absoulutely one of the best composers of the 20th century but people really slept on that aspect of his music. Therefore, the music you hear here is more about cultural expression than music itself, that’s the focal point of it. If you are really open minded and respectful to other expressions, I would recommend you to listen to the one and only Shabaka Hutchings, who is arguably the greatest jazz bandleader of our era for me. His creative output as a member of Sons of Kemet and Comet is Coming is incredibly unique and wonderful. I really think that Avant-Garde Jazz, Free Jazz, and Spiritual Jazz can change one’s life entirely but one should expand her mind and don’t let it wither and die first… And as a book recommendation, you should read As Serious As Your Life by Valerie Wilmer to understand this culture better.

@genesisPiano

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Maybe it’s better live?

@genesisPiano

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@@Bati_ Thanks for this. I’ll check these things out.

@Veridi

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@@Bati_ What if you can't express yourself if you are free? Because in this case, free means without restriction, without any sort of restriction to even express yourself in a particular way and dissolve into dissonance. It's only expressing something akin to horror or mental dissonance, which is alright, I suppose, but I'm not exactly sure what the point is if you're only going to express mental dissonance and know that people are only going to hear mental dissonance. Maybe it wouldn't be pretentious if it was called Dark Jazz? And if what they are trying to communicate is more important than the music itself, then I would make it digestible for people to be able to take the meaning in without the dissonance causing a distraction. Honestly, is music even the right medium at this point? You really do have to forgive me. I really just think I am allergic to atonal music. My young brain cannot comprehend this.

@Bati_

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​@@Veridi I will write this comment to do my best to pay homage to the one and only, the great Pharoah Sanders who has just passed away 2 days ago. By hoping to create a fruitful discussion, I'd like to start off by clarifying one thing: What I meant when I said that musicality and technicality is not the central focus of Free Jazz movement, I didn't say that they don't matter, in fact, many of the musicians that belong to this cultural movement are extraordinaries such that they can be equally competent making free improv as well as playing bebop. Most of them, if not all of them, are classically trained musicians as in the example of Cecil Taylor. Richard Davis, for example, the great jazz bassist represent this progressive culture, he once played three concerts under the conductance of legendary Stravinsky. Nearly all of these musicians that belong to this experimental tradition were equally competent playing classical music and jazz. However, as you opened up the subject matter of "atonality", there was a very crucial distinction with the European sense of atonality: Ornette Coleman, Archie Shepp, Pharoah Sanders, and Albert Ayler... all of these names were closer to the “concrete,” folk- music-like harmonic freedom of the field cry and of the archaic folk blues than to “abstract,” intellectual European atonality in the words of the jazz historian Joachim Berendt. Therefore, it's much different than European atonality in terms of cultural aspects, even more than that, musicality-wise, in this process of creating this movement, these musicians broke the strongest link with the European tradition, harmony. As you can guess, Free Jazz is much more about rhythmic conceptions. It demolished the two pillars of conventional jazz rhythm-meter and beat. The beat was replaced by the pulse, and the meter, which was passed over by some free- jazz drummers as if it did not exist, was replaced by “free playing,” not bound by a regular rhythm or meter, in which wide arches of rhythmic tension are built up with an incredible intensity. The drummers of the Free Jazz movement were incredibly iconoclastic and creative. Developing their unique approach to the drum kit, examples such as Sunny Murray, the jazz drummer was influenced by the eminent scientist Hermann von Helmholtz while developing their technique. Anthony Braxton, another legendary figure in Free Jazz movement, progressed the art of graphic notation to another level. It is very sad that today only few people know the contributions of these invaluable names in the history of music. The styles such as Spiritual Jazz, later the continution of this movement, the Loft Jazz scene of the New York City in mid 70s... The incredibly underrated composer Butch Morris, Sam Rivers' incredible melodic ideas and writing, the cultural dialogue created by the great Black American poet Amiri Baraka, the archaic intensity and color of the sound of the Art Ensemble of Chicago... More people should know about these wonderful names I think... To me, they were the ones who pushed the musical integrity and progression forward compared to the state of stagnant world of classical music today. But they were much more than that such that they also opened their doors to the music of other cultures in a much more open-minded way. I don't want to see this cultural movement being forgotten in the future as it might leave the impression of some kind of a musical elitism. I think their intention was to generate this cultural noise to wake people up artistically. It's wonderful that that's also the duty of some of the artists who impacted the history of music, so what I'm saying is that this music is for everyone, it's the quintessential aspect of jazz that differentiate it from other music which is inclusivity. Close to the culture of jazz, another culture of music also has this aspect: Hip-Hop, which has been carrying the torch as the continuation of jazz since 1973. I hope you can watch and listen to some of the names that I listed, I wanted to kindly invite you to this wonderful world of fearless and experimental sound, which is very ahead of time even today...

I get that classical music can sometimes come off as pretentious, especially the way it's preformed today. This, on the other hand, is next-level pretentious imo