One way that is automated would be using event controllers: turn off down thrusters, put on max override the up thrusters and turn them off also. Then set up the event controller: if speed is over 95 m/s turn off up thrusters, if speed is under 95 m/s turn them on This should mimic your manual pulse method You can set up a control bar with the turn on/off the up and down thrusters and the override of the down thrusters + turn on that event controller Or you can make it mimic the thruster override method: if speed is over 95 m/s decrease the override of the up thrusters, if speed is under 95 m/s increase the override of the up thrusters

one method that I didn't see was computer aided pulse thrusting, it works as follows put all up thrusters into a group, and all down thrusters into a group disable upwards and downwards thrusters, set upwards thrusters thrust override to 100%, and add an event controller make the event controller activate whenever speed is below 95 m/s, and have it turn on the upwards thrusters when below the threshold, and turn them off again when above the threshold. this method has all the advantages of pulse thrust and automated flight, but without the pesky features of AI thruster spam.

@ShiftyshadowTV

Ай бұрын

Yup, I've gotten a good stack of comments recommending event controller methods of one sort or another. It's definitely something I'm going to try out.

Exemplary style. Clear, concise, relaxed and non-over-the-top voice-over, planned, smart use of time with background info while the flights are in progress, with an overview at the beginning, and luxury features like jump marks. A treat to watch, thanks!

@ShiftyshadowTV

Ай бұрын

Glad you enjoyed it! Looking forward to making more.

I find the pulsing to be the easiest way. However, I leave my inertial dampeners on and just switch off my Down thrusters. I usually have the down and backwards thrusters as separate groups on my toolbars for cruising or escaping gravity.

@ShiftyshadowTV

2 ай бұрын

Good idea, I usually have the backwards thrusters on my hotbar as well, haven't ever done the down ones though. Would probably be less dangerous than messing with inertial dampeners all the time.

@sgt_retiredcharlie4102

2 ай бұрын

I was going to say this. This is my method as well. It works great. Downward thruster On/Off is only needed until you're in space.

@caschque7242

Ай бұрын

You can use the same method, for example, when approaching another asteroid. If you're 10 kilometers away and aiming to approach but only relying on visual judgment, there's a risk of nearly crashing into objects. By manually turning off your 'braking' thrusters (using the hotbar), you can keep the dampeners active and make slight adjustments to your course. This way, the dampeners work for you, eliminating the need to constantly press 'A' and 'D' to align the crosshair. This technique is equally effective when flying around an asteroid or navigating on a planet. It stands out as one of the most fuel-efficient and straightforward methods. I learned this tip from someone with over 6000 hours in Space Engineers. It's undoubtedly one of the best pieces of advice I've encountered.

Thruster override (easy mode) - Turn upward thrusters, damps, and gyros off. Max out the upward thruster override. For launch, turn on thrusters while disconnecting. The thrusters are immediately at 100%. Adjust the override keeping between XX-99 km/s. XX is your preferred minimum speed, the lower the minimum speed, the longer the trip takes and the more fuel you spend. No reason to be afraid of going below 90 km/s because the whole point of doing an override is for easy mode. When you reach orbit, you will turn off the override and turn on gyros and damps. Much safer and only as inefficient as you care to be by picking your minimum speed. If efficiency is king, do it 100% manually. You will spend a lot more than 7 minutes configuring AI and Control blocks for very little fuel savings. Try to remove the remote control wobble by turning off the gyros. Maybe even setting a zero override on all other thrusters to prevent them from being misused by the remote control block. I think I have seen the last script on a few lets play and I don't think you scratched the surface of what it does. Looking forward to another small grid ep.

@PoolOfTrees

2 ай бұрын

I'd suggest setting the gyro(s) to override (with the settings left at the default zeroed positions) rather than turning them off as this will actively work to keep your ship level and, should any other forces try to turn or flip your ship, it will act to prevent/reduce that with up to its maximum rotational power. Add a toggle on your hot bar to enable and disable the override for your gyro or gyros group so that if you need to quickly alter where you are heading (for instance if an asteroid pops up in your direction of travel) you aren't having to go into the control panel to disable the override.

@ShiftyshadowTV

2 ай бұрын

I'll have to give some of those tips a try, for the remote control. Yeah, both scripts can do a lot more, I was just testing basic fuel efficiency. Setting up AI is only worth it if you have a base you often take off from. (Or you want to run drones.) Whenever available I think the scripts are probably best. You can set them up once and then they work anywhere. Looking forward to starting SGO up again.

@ShiftyshadowTV

2 ай бұрын

@@PoolOfTrees I used the override to make an automatic surface to space ferry a while back. Not sure why I didn't think of it here. Might have helped with the Remote Control and AI blocks. Though, they seem to need control of at least one to function at all some times.

@AxoCatWasTaken

Ай бұрын

why not go with 6000m/s?

@edwarddesposito4476

Ай бұрын

@@AxoCatWasTaken100% agreed. If you up the speed limit past 99 km/s then you have no problems at all with wasting fuel.

I was impressed by those scripts. I certainly didn't expect them to be that efficient. Inversely, I hadn't expected the Remote Control or AI blocks to be so inefficient (and so much worse than just keeping you thumb or a weight pressing on the spacebar). If Keen could tweak the AI behaviour to reduce and increase thrust in the desired direction, rather than apply reverse thrust, to keep it around the desired speed limit (and obviously fix the 'wobbling around' issue) then that should make quite a bit of difference to fuel usage.

@ShiftyshadowTV

2 ай бұрын

Yeah it definitely would. I knew they would be worse, just not that much. I was expecting 10-30% more fuel consumption, not 75%!

@yle5788

Ай бұрын

That left me wondering what would happen if you just turned off all thrusters not going downwards.

@PoolOfTrees

Ай бұрын

@@yle5788 I think that the remote and AI requires thrusters to exist and be enabled in every direction, but I've not tried testing without for a long time.

@caschque7242

Ай бұрын

@@PoolOfTrees no they don't require that.

8:44 Remove pilot error. You can stop thrusting when at 35+ km when already at max speed, since it takes a whole lotta time to decel to zero, in which you travel the rest of the way. Also, low-G saving, add a few small ion engines for the low-G part. They cost little in weight but can make a difference by keeping the speed up better. (Also, in space-engineer space ions rule, since they cost no resources to operate, for regular travel, besides (solar) power.)

Man ended the video in style. Seriously, though, that was really informative. I've never actually used the Remote or AI Blocks to go to space from a planet and was quite surprised that they use such a ludicrous amount of fuel. It's almost 5x the minimum amount.

@ShiftyshadowTV

2 ай бұрын

Yeah, I knew they were worse, but didn't expect them to be that far off.

@xxbongobazookaxx7170

Ай бұрын

Basically with all others minor horizontal adjustments either weren't made or were made with small input values while AI blocks can only give on/off directions to make their adjustments (similar to a player actively flying a precise route) and this is the cause for much of their fuel burn. The 100 speed limit opposed to 99 probably didnt do many favors either though

@ShiftyshadowTV

Ай бұрын

@@xxbongobazookaxx7170 Yup, the sideways thrust burned more than the up thrust for the AI.

The one problem I have with the thrust override method is for whatever reason Keen thought that a thruster being manually fired should have a higher TWR than one on max thrust override. Thus you could get a design that can make it to space under manual control, but will crash and burn if you activate thrust override method. Hate to mention, but one of the prebuilt buyable ships from the eco DLC does suffer from this issue terribly. With that said, I still love me some thrust override to space 😁

Sad to see that the remote control is that buggy with such a simple task. Even the newer Artificial "Intelligence" blocks are so innefficent at their task.

@ShiftyshadowTV

2 ай бұрын

There's probably a way to get it to work better using event controllers, but by itself yeah, it was very inefficient.

just setup 2 event controllers 1 for escaping gravity, which turns off upward thrust at 95m/s 1 for controlled max speed, which turns off forward thrust at 95m/s both will greatly save fuel, while still allowing you to just hold space / forward

@ShiftyshadowTV

Ай бұрын

Good idea. I'm going to experiment with the Event Controllers and sort out a method that only takes me one button press. So I can walk away while I'm traveling.

Did totally enjoy this video! Keep up the good work.

@ShiftyshadowTV

2 ай бұрын

Thanks! Certainly more to come.

Great little video, thanks for the info and doing the test, very helpful.

@ShiftyshadowTV

2 ай бұрын

Thanks, hope it helps!

go up and hover then see what thrust your up thrusters are using. Then said that amount of thrust as your override using group controls then you can manually increase or decrease your override from there and there will be zero falling whatsoever

@ShiftyshadowTV

2 ай бұрын

Good way to do it for sure.

Very excellent video! It's amazing how much time and effort you put into this. Thank you very much! Very informative!

@ShiftyshadowTV

2 ай бұрын

Thanks! It was a fun project and I learned a lot along the way.

Now I would have loved to see a variation of the second test, where, instead of staying at top speed, you only go to top speed, then wait till you're down to like 30 m/s or even lower and only then try to go back up to max speed (rinse and repeat). Thus, using more of the momentum. I guess the result will kinda be similar to the second test but will probably save a little bit because you will most likely reach 0g when you're not at 100m/s and thus you're saving the hydrogen needed to get yourself back up to max speed at the end. But it's also much less "taxing" as the second method as you only occasionally need to speed up again.

@ShiftyshadowTV

Ай бұрын

True, you could probably drift the last 5 to 10 km. I wouldn't recommend letting your speed drop too much till you are down to 0.3 g or less though. Before then you'll slow down kind of fast. Extra time spent in high gravity might actually require more time thrusting overall. Would be an interesting test.

Great break down Shifty!

@ShiftyshadowTV

2 ай бұрын

Thanks! For some reason KZread decided to remove my last reply. Probably because I mentioned something about the way this video ended. (Not sure how picky it is, so I'll leave it at that.) Thanks for watching. :)

@Dagonius.

2 ай бұрын

@@ShiftyshadowTVInteresting. I bet this video was a lot of work man. Thanks again!

Nice comparisons. I prefer thruster override because I tend to make more mistakes when I mess with the dampeners. Like you said it is a personal preference and do what works best for you. I've never tried those two scripts, I really like the fuel efficiency so I might give the ACC one a try.

@ShiftyshadowTV

2 ай бұрын

Thanks! True, turning off dampeners is also potentially dangerous. Before this video I'd never tried the scripts either, but I'm definitely going to next time I'm playing survival. They have nice functionality for triggering other blocks (such as timers) when you reach space too.

Since I do wanna use automated ships myself, what I take from this is: I need to use an event controller to turn off certain thursters prevent the ai flight block from constantly breaking and wasting fuel

@ShiftyshadowTV

18 күн бұрын

If you can, turn off all but one small thruster in any direction you don't need. You'll have to keep at least one on in each direction otherwise the AI has a lot of trouble.

@ShiftyshadowTV

18 күн бұрын

You could use hydrogen only in the up direction and then atmospheric and ion thrusters in the other directions. This would save a lot of fuel.

Aerojets can get speed up at low altitudes, with auto return to base, for a first stage, only needing hydrogen for the part where they become non-functional, and with that only hydrogen enough to keep the speed upwards positive, not max. Last part is ions.

10:34 Remote control only makes sense if the blocks like cockpit and logic are removed, and reduce weight to orbit. But also it makes piloting multiple vessels easier, for you can use the same groundstation for many vehicles.

This will put the "NOOOO YOU CAN'T DO IT THIS WAY" milk drinkers in place.

@ShiftyshadowTV

Ай бұрын

They'll probably rant that I didn't do the tests right (as a few already have). Haha. It's ok though, everyone can play, and say, what want.

I use hydrogen in the game extensively so will always do the same type of testing every time they update the game just to make sure. Personally i still use the old method of switching off the dampeners and just manually pulsing since it doesn't require anything more then a couple of button presses rather then setting up yet another dedicated toolbar just for one task. The ~2% or so of fuel that the trust override method can potentially save has never really mattered to me enough to make me prefer it over the classic pulsing method.

@ShiftyshadowTV

3 күн бұрын

Same.

I always have a large rear thruster using thrust override, no fuel wasted, no fall risk. 90 degrees up on the first person hud. If your rear thruster can't hold the weight alone I pitch down a bit until I get on the edge of positive rate, just keep speed at 95-99 m/s. Downside is that u need allot of thrust.

5:38 Simple logic, if speed >100 kill thruster set for one second, then reengage. You can leave it on, and simply keep "up" pressed. Overburn prevention. (mind high grav planets though. In 15+G's you can decel to negative in one second fast enough to never reach orbit.)

It blows my mind that Keen based a whole major update around that turd of an AI, presenting it proudly like a toddler does their first try at making art.

@Anvilshock

Ай бұрын

After so many years watching Keen just producing one pile of mediocre crap after the next one, I found it everything _but_ mind-blowing, frankly.

Great vid Shifty ! Another way is to auto adjust override using an event controller block and timer to trigger for increase override at a minimum speed and another pair for decrease override at a maximum speed. net result is a rapid pulsating thrust that calms down as gravity diminishes

@ShiftyshadowTV

2 ай бұрын

Thanks! Event controller sounds like a great method. Easy to set up and effective.

@CorbinDallas_Doc

2 ай бұрын

@@ShiftyshadowTV This is a console friendly way (no scripts) as I play SE on PS5. Should you try it, have the two timers call themselves to "trigger now"{loop} and also setup action to "Stop" the other timer. one timer will increase override until the other EC triggers its own timer. You can play with the EC blocks "Grid Speed Changed" thresholds to be closer or farther from each other. I usually set the Maximum EC to decrease thrust override => ~99ms and play with the Minimum EC threshold to increase thrust override =< 95-98ms. Try it out and let me know if you have any suggestions. Thanks again for your great vids!

@ShiftyshadowTV

2 ай бұрын

@@CorbinDallas_Doc Nice, I use the self "trigger now" loop all the time. I'll give it a try next time I'm in survival. Good to know it works on console too.

@5kellDarkes

Ай бұрын

You don't even need the timers, just use the event controller to turn the thrusters on and off with the override maxed out, I use two event controllers with 2-3 speed difference (I also tend to use a few others and timers to put the ship back in 'ready to fly mode' in space too).

You can set in your hotbar a "cruise control" button! Meaning you turn off certain thrusters that you don't want firing in the direction you want to go! I tend to have a forward "cruise control" and for those ships that can leave planetside, upwards thrusters!

@elementalblaze79

Ай бұрын

The 3rd method is the way I tend to go but I see that all the time the way you did it but I tend to get going to near max 1st then switch over so I can keep going up! Edit: oh they are on a hotbar I tend to not use so....

@elementalblaze79

Ай бұрын

Nice video, I don't have any problems on how you did the test! Just not everyone has access to the 6th nor 7th due too server settings and many servers will not allow them due too some to most players don't know self control! They will over do or over use something just to make it easy just for them! Please note, I'm not saying all of them are doing it on purpose, just most are doing it not knowing it can cause server lag even while they are offline(or no one's near their stuff) so even though those seem the nicest to use, just not every server admin will allow it!

Nice vídeo, congrats.

@ShiftyshadowTV

2 ай бұрын

Thanks, I've been wanting to test this forever, glad I could share it.

I turn my upwards thrusters off, keep dampeners on and pulse. I've also done the ion slingshot a couple times too... uses 0 hydrogen but you gotta get the platinum from salvage or meteor craters.

@ShiftyshadowTV

2 күн бұрын

I've haven't done an ion liftoff since they removed Pt from planets. I think I prefer hydrogen for most things nowadays. Used to hate it.

wow great vid. ? have you tried the Manual Pulse To Auto Pulse using A event controller some people use 2 ECs but one can be using slot 1 & 2

@ShiftyshadowTV

Ай бұрын

Thanks. I have not tried event controllers, but a number of people have recommended it now. I'll be giving it a shot next time I'm in survival.

Remotecontrol works fine as long as you set it up correctly. You do know that remote controls have their own internal speed limit right. So you could have set that to 99 m/s. As for direction. Orient it pointing forwards towards the cockpit(standard way). But choose UP direction and make sure both precision and avoid obstacles is off.

@ShiftyshadowTV

2 ай бұрын

I did talk about the speed option in the video (maybe it was for the AI blocks, but it seems to have the same effect with remotes). It still uses a lot of fuel because it's always thrusting to try to maintain whatever speed you set it to. It thrusts, overshoots the desired speed, thrusts backward, etc. I tried a lot of different orientations and settings, but perhaps I'm still doing it wrong, I'll experiment with it more.

im the someone in the comments you are doing thrust override incorrectly you only apply as much thrust as it takes to defeat gravity, never more just enough to increase in velocity. you will increase in velo slowly and then quickly (because gravity will become weaker over time) once you hit max speed, decrease one tick and let yourself reach equilibrium. once you hit eq you will again start to increase in velocity. only decrease once you hit max speed again repeat you can get to space from earth using around 1% - 3% of fuel (dependent on ship mass and size of tank used) and it takes ~the same amount of time as your other methods.

@kahwigulum

Ай бұрын

Well, I ran my own test on your world. My usual method was a lot worse than I thought it was, so I tuned it until I got a respectable time. Using my new method, I was able to get ship 2 into space in 7:20.67, and used 57499L of fuel. Your fastest time was 7:25 with constant thrust, and your most efficient fuel usage was manual pulse @ 55776L. I was faster than your fastest time and used just slightly more fuel than your most efficient method. Timing was as follows, which is slightly different than what I normally do. -Turn down thrust off, leave everything else on (turning off damps is noob mode, only bads turn off damps, discipline yourself and learn how to control your ship in every axis properly) -Set up thrust to 448Kn (max) and ascend until you achieve max velocity. -At an elevation of 9000m, decrease thrust to 288Kn, and then at the following elevations, decrease thrust again to the noted amount of Kn. Each of these settings will be just enough to defeat gravity, so you should remain at max velocity while spending as little fuel as possible. (I noted elevation, not gravity, I would have like to have noted gravity but just didn't.) 11Km = 216Kn 12.8Km = 192Kn 16Km = 144Kn 18Km = 120Kn 20.5Km = 96Kn 23.8Km = 72Kn 28Km = 48Kn 37Km = 24Kn (the lowest setting) This was somehow faster than max thrust and used a lot less fuel. I wish the event controller were placed facing backwards so that the elevation and the blue dot on the EC could be seen at the same time, but oh well.

7:28 Yep. The way I do it is manually get up to speed and then spam Override Up. You lose almost no speed and never lose altitude.

@ShiftyshadowTV

2 ай бұрын

Solid way to do it.

I'd like to see this same test run with the SAM script to orbit. Might give that a shot as I see the world is posted on the workshop.

@ShiftyshadowTV

2 ай бұрын

Let me know how it goes.

@0astarael0

2 ай бұрын

​@@ShiftyshadowTV 56,967L to orbit, using the space GPS coordinate as a target. I don't have accurate timing results but I would put it just under 8 minutes. If your destination is a docking port on a space station, this script will dock better than the AI blocks for a fraction of the fuel cost. Most of the setup is in configuring the script, connector, and antenna on destinations and the ship. Though once this is done you pick where you want to go from a list on your ship, push start and it will fly there. It will navigate in space or gravity much better than the AI blocks by not spamming thrust in every direction at once.

@ShiftyshadowTV

2 ай бұрын

@@0astarael0 Cool, that's good efficiency. Nice that you can set it up to dock too.

I have my own cruise control script that I use on my own designs or I use override when flying someone else's. I'm pretty sure you could make a basic cruise control with an event controller that is basically the override method managed for you that I'd say might be a valid vanilla option. I remember trying to set up a drone world when I was new to the game so i was aware of the RC wiggle, still disappointing the state of non-scripted AI imo.

@xxbongobazookaxx7170

Ай бұрын

My CC script is built into a whole array of autopilot and datalink tools built into a custom GUI for a faction I'm trying to build for anyone wondering why I don't use a pre-built one.

I think overall manual and pulse is the best. That takes the least effort, easy to understand and what you gain by anything else is meglegable. Personally I wouldn't spend time with a script just for that extra few liters and few sec of gain..

@ShiftyshadowTV

Ай бұрын

Yeah, I tend to agree, but I've been experimenting with using event controllers to automate pulsing (since the many recommendations to do so in the comments here). It seems like a solid system. Easy to set up and use, maybe worth a try for you as well.

@SolearGnG

Ай бұрын

@@ShiftyshadowTV I'll check. Or we can have a contest, if we ever end up in coop. 😄

How about an automatic-pulse method using an Event Controller to toggle thrusters off/on based on a speed threshold.

@ShiftyshadowTV

2 ай бұрын

I didn't think of that while making the video, but a few people have mentioned methods using Event Controllers now. They sound like they work well, perhaps I'll make a follow-up video if I get enough new ideas.

@Vessekx

2 ай бұрын

@@ShiftyshadowTV, another variant would be having the thrust override method controlled by the Event Controller. Also, you can create a timer block that bumps your thrust override way up/down by putting the applicable thrusters into multiple groups, and using each of those groups to trigger the increase/decrease in all 9 slots of all 9 action bars in the timer. That makes it much faster to crank up your thrust override quickly.

i use thruster overide have it as it just barly lift at any time.

I don't know about yall, but, I'm using constant thrust lol! Decent time, fuel usage isn't the worst, yes skill based flight is attractive but uh, If were talking skill Id just learn how to use C# and write my own flight script. But most of all, Constant is braindead, and I like that. B)

@ShiftyshadowTV

Ай бұрын

Gotta do what you enjoy. Nothing wrong with that.

You didn't use a simple event controller and timer method, that monitors speed and increases or decreases override accordingly. Other than scripts this is the most efficient and hands off method. Just level yourself, turn it on and let it fly straight up. No need for ai or remote controls.

one could turn off dampeners then try using an AI to keep planetary alignment together with 2 event controllers one that looks at speed and toggles thrust on off and one that turns the system off in space like what you did

@ShiftyshadowTV

Ай бұрын

I tried turning of dampeners, but as soon as I switch the AI on the dampeners turn back on automatically. It seems that the game won't use AI or Remotes without them. The event controller for toggling thrusters on and off would be good as an alternative to manual pulsing, but I don't know if it will work with AI blocks (for reasons similar to above). Definitely requires more testing on my part. Thanks for the ideas.

@Blaster-hailfire

Ай бұрын

it seems the developers must have set Ai this way for performance reasons. well another way to solve fuel efficiency is to refine ores at the mining site and ship the ingots since they need less space and have lower weight. Then when waiting for ore to refine one could set up other mining sites all of which can later operate on drones. As for the cost for all of this I would set up my base on top of iron ore and then build basic refineries which are only about 20% less efficient on the common ores than the full refinery without modules but very cheap.@@ShiftyshadowTV

I wonder how efficient event controllers with thrust overrides would be. I say less efficient than doing the overrides by hand but definitely much more efficient than using ai to get to space. Max out overrides, when you get to 99m/s turn thrusters off, when it goes down to 95m/s or whatever you set it to, thrusters on.

@ShiftyshadowTV

2 ай бұрын

Ah, that would have been a great thing to test! I bet it would be pretty good, and it's super easy to set up.

@ssislo84

2 ай бұрын

I recently did this for one of my builds. I did 99m/s off 98m/s on and it worked well. I also turned off the downward thrusters for the accent. I would say it is just as efficient if not more so then doing a manual pulse.

@ShiftyshadowTV

2 ай бұрын

@@ssislo84 Nice, I imagine it would be more efficient as long as it is accurate.

@jonathandelaughter4102

2 ай бұрын

I was looking for this since I'm about to build my first orbital grid and was looking for automation methods.

Nice. It would be interesting to know what the scripts are actually doing to get that efficiency.

@ShiftyshadowTV

Ай бұрын

I've never dug into the coding itself, would be interesting. I doubt I'll do it until I want to make one myself though.

Hey im not sure if you ever review player ships but, my first ever spaceship i made in space engineers survival i uploaded lately, I probably spent about 90 hours creating it and not knowing anything about the game, to making a flying frame with cargo, then building more and more and decorating at the end, (its only got the nanobot build and repair system for mods) Id really like to know how i could improve this ship thanks Its name is "the Dagoth" on the workshop

@ShiftyshadowTV

Ай бұрын

If you join my discord there is a channel called "review my build", I go through anything posted in there and take a look when I stream on Twitch.tv. I post all my stream VODs to my second channel www.youtube.com/@more_shifty. Alternatively, if you catch me streaming I'll take a look right away usually.

What about thruster override managed by event block

@ShiftyshadowTV

24 күн бұрын

Definitely a good idea.

I do the override method but i prefer to start airborne

@ShiftyshadowTV

2 ай бұрын

I think most people do that, high enough that they don't actually crash. I was being a little silly in the video. :)

@Cuteseals2

2 ай бұрын

@@ShiftyshadowTV tbh its entirely fair to assume the average SE player has less than 5 iq...

@ShiftyshadowTV

2 ай бұрын

@@Cuteseals2 Hahahaha, I'm definitely part of that crew sometimes.

@PoolOfTrees

2 ай бұрын

​​@@ShiftyshadowTVFor your fuel test it was entirely right to do it the way you did, but yes, definitely more usual to do when already airborne or to dial-in the thrust override before disconnecting from the connector/ground.

Blargs is best, been using it for years.

@ShiftyshadowTV

17 күн бұрын

This was my first time trying it. It was definitely satisfying.

725k meters to space

Event controller? PAM?

@ShiftyshadowTV

Ай бұрын

Definitely going to try the Event Controller. There are a lot of ways it could be used to simplify the manual stuff.

Why no Elevator music tho? 😅

@ShiftyshadowTV

Ай бұрын

Haha, I've done that in other videos. Too busy talking in this one.

/me rages and rants in the comments!

@ShiftyshadowTV

2 ай бұрын

/me pours fuel on the fire!

@Dagonius.

2 ай бұрын

@@ShiftyshadowTVDon't you mean "Feul"? ... like it says on the LCD? lol

@ShiftyshadowTV

2 ай бұрын

Hahaha, NO! I hunt typos obsessively, yet they cannot be avoided. I'm sure my videos are riddled with them. It's ok, after looking at something long enough it will always look normal.

@Dagonius.

2 ай бұрын

@@ShiftyshadowTV I know! I only noticed after watching the ending again, after your last comment lol

I never used any AI or scripts for escaping gravity, however, i do think that using the AI blocks are easier and more convenient for entry and landing the spacecraft.

Also, you said thruster override is dangerous and could destroy your ship, but said nothing about how that could happen. No idea what you are talking about.

With hydrogen thrusters the best efficiency isn't full thrust 100% of the time. Accelerate to max speed, then release the thrust, when it reaches half speed, accelerate back to 100% again, and release again. Repeat. Continuous thrust is only useful if you actually get the full acceleration from it, which happens when using no speed limit mods.

Nice experiment and presentation, but two errors and one overlooked consideration: 1. Your ship design isn't capable of sitting level on the pad without being connected or having thrusters on, both of which handicapped the Thruster Override method. That's a ship design flaw, not an issue with Thrust Override. You probably wasted 1000+ L just faffing about thrusting against the connector and hovering over the pad, both unnecessary and unsafe. 2. Ascending slower equals wasted fuel, the opposite of efficiency. Always ascend at the maximum speed you're capable of. This is as true in a sim as it is in the real world, which is why IRL rockets subject astronauts to serious G forces. You can prove this to yourself by making the ascent at ~50 m/s, or installing a speed mod and ascending at 200 m/s or even higher. I get why you set the script to ascend at 99 instead of 100 m/s to avoid thrusting against the speed limiter, not arguing against that: just your false assertion that slower = efficiency. 3. A related issue that most players overlook is how long it takes you to get to your maximum speed. If a ship can only just get off the pad, hypothetically, and spends a minute or two before reaching top speed, that's a huge amount of fuel wasted. Ascent efficiency drops off rapidly when you get below ~110% thrust to weight ratio. I usually recommend 120-140% or better. This might be worth exploring in a follow-up video testing an overloaded ship that struggles to get off the pad, versus the same design with some extra thrusters (even atmospheric) to get up to max speed quickly. The results can be shocking: an underpowered ascent vehicle can use 2-3x the fuel. Google "Space Engineers thruster quick reference" (posted on Reddit and Imgur) for my handy reference to thrust values. Otherwise a great video, cheers.

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Surely I did not do a perfect job on any of the flights; however, I feel that the accuracy of data gathered is sufficient for the comparisons and conclusions I made. Whenever I mentioned going slower it was specifically because the faster speeds tended to cap out against the speed limit occasionally (wasting more fuel than going slightly slower and not capping out ever). At 99 m/s, that specific script tended to over thrust occasionally. It was set to 95m/s ("slightly slower") by default, so I assumed that would be more efficient. I did consider how long ships were taking to reach max speed. I purposely loaded my ship down to the point where it had to spend a noticeable chunk of time accelerating, so that we could factor efficient acceleration input into the test. That factor made a difference for the various methods (slightly for thruster override, a lot for the AI Blocks, and a little for the scripts). Perhaps I should have elaborated on this in the video.

Know what's even more efficient? Using atmospheric thrusters 1st, then hydrogens AFTER the atmos stop lifting!!!! Hydrogens don't work too well in atmosphere.

andrew's simple cruise control script is my script of choice. makes flying way more efficient and fun in general. which is especially handy for fighters which generally seem to be fairly limited on fuel just triple tap forward or up and you immediately accelerate to 100m/s

Didn't know about the two scripts that you used, I tend to use them and before you say why ? I use PAM since I do a lot of asteroid mining while on the planet. I will try the two scripts you used.