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Dave plays around with an energy harvesting kit to see how much power he can get out of a Peltier device used as a Seeback effect module to generate power from temperature differentials.
Bonus white board tutorial of how Peltier devices work as heat pumps.
Wuerth Elektronik Energy Harvesting Kit: www.we-online.com/web/en/elect...
Linear Technology: www.linear.com/solutions/1834
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LTC3108 Energy harvesting chip datasheet: cds.linear.com/docs/en/datashe...
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  • @SeaShipDev
    @SeaShipDev9 жыл бұрын

    This is fascinating. Thanks for posting another great video, Dave!

  • @mr1983geek
    @mr1983geek9 жыл бұрын

    Great video Dave. Love how you explain things so clearly. Thanks for sharing and please do more. Mailbag rocks but so do these :)

  • @sylvanenergy
    @sylvanenergy9 жыл бұрын

    I was working out how to make a bullet proof way to seebeck the energy to run the hvac fans in the winter months.... Good to see your little harvester Dave.

  • @MrCarlsonsLab
    @MrCarlsonsLab9 жыл бұрын

    The Russians had something like this back in the 20's, but it used zinc-antimony/constantan instead. Most people have a small heat generator right in there house.... A thermocouple. Of course this is different than Peltier and Seebeck device, but it generates electricity. (found in your furnace, water heater, fireplace...etc) They used devices like this (thermocouple devices) to power old vacuum tube radios in remote locations. Lots of thermocouples together, and a kerosene lamp below.

  • @TheChipmunk2008
    @TheChipmunk20089 жыл бұрын

    Thank you for giving Seebeck the credit he often doesn't get :)

  • @EEVblog

    @EEVblog

    9 жыл бұрын

    ***** I thought he copped a raw deal.

  • @denzel387

    @denzel387

    9 жыл бұрын

    EEVblog nice work eevblog

  • @johnnyprimavera2
    @johnnyprimavera22 жыл бұрын

    This video has helped me out on an exam today, thanks!

  • @PhN1800
    @PhN18009 жыл бұрын

    Great video, Dave! I'd love to see more of this kind of stuff :-)

  • @casperhito
    @casperhito9 жыл бұрын

    Going to try some peltier devices on an aquarium I have. It's a reef tank and needs a good solid temp. A couple of peltiers handling the high and low sides should be efficient in my application. A large aquarium would need a compressor based chiller but for the smaller tanks this could be ideal! Thanks for the inspiration Dave. As always, great vid

  • @robertcalkjr.8325
    @robertcalkjr.83259 жыл бұрын

    Thanks Dave, that was a lot of fun.

  • @blockbertus
    @blockbertus9 жыл бұрын

    Hi! We will take a quick look... *looks at the duration of the video*... Oh Dave. ;-)

  • @EEVblog

    @EEVblog

    9 жыл бұрын

    blocki I am the waffle master!

  • @DirtyAtreyu
    @DirtyAtreyu9 жыл бұрын

    How do these seeback modules work when connected in series?

  • @guojinfeng5944
    @guojinfeng59449 жыл бұрын

    Jesus, you have got so many mulit-meter! Thanks for sharing this great video!

  • @JustinHallPlus
    @JustinHallPlus9 жыл бұрын

    Here's a commercial entertainment application: Light up coasters. Put a cold drink on the coaster, which contains some capacitors and power some low power LED's. That way drunks will know when their drink needs freshened.

  • @lasersbee
    @lasersbee9 жыл бұрын

    Good one Dave. Now I see why we should have more than one DMM in the shop. I see you can also use the blue ones to weigh things down 45:47 :whistle:

  • @sofiaramos7899
    @sofiaramos78996 жыл бұрын

    Hello, I have a problem with this kit. when I put my hand on TEG1 it does not turns ON the LCD, instead only turns ON the LED 1. Do you know why»??? I just bought it like this :/

  • @lordjoshuarobindumbleton275
    @lordjoshuarobindumbleton2759 жыл бұрын

    Thank you Dave, I was always in a sort of fuddle with Peltier elements, but now I'm in the clear, Thanks!

  • @EEVblog

    @EEVblog

    9 жыл бұрын

    Joshua Dumbleton Glad you found it useful, thanks.

  • @PIXscotland
    @PIXscotland9 жыл бұрын

    Couldn't you just "switch" the IAV Capacitor over to the Peltier input (At the

  • @TOASTEngineer
    @TOASTEngineer9 жыл бұрын

    Where do I go to get thermally thermal adhesive?

  • @twostickes
    @twostickes7 жыл бұрын

    One question! If its all about heat flow, then nothing is really lost, so if you banked up 2 or more panels, would you get >5% "efficiency" ? I mean it doesnt matter what the temperature difference is, just the number of joules available?

  • @kalhana1
    @kalhana19 жыл бұрын

    At 22:20, you said that the Charge controller turns on the MOSFET to draw power from the C_store. But I think it's the other way around. The MOSFET is for charging the capacitor and the schottky diode is for when the power is drawn from the capacitor.

  • @TheOnlyPsycho
    @TheOnlyPsycho9 жыл бұрын

    Finally the episode I was waiting for!!!

  • @bensthingsthoughts
    @bensthingsthoughts9 жыл бұрын

    That super collider T shirt. That is from CERN Geneva !! I love it. Greetings from Switzerland !!!

  • @EEVblog

    @EEVblog

    9 жыл бұрын

    Ben's things & thoughts It is indeed! A viewer got it for me.

  • @darrenjacobson7456
    @darrenjacobson74569 жыл бұрын

    I was just wondering, could you use a number of these strapped to the casing of an electric motor so you can reclaim some of the wasted heat energy? I was thinking maybe like on a small electric vehicle, say you Sinclair C5. Stick a bunch of these to the motor housing, and use heat pipes to put a big heat sink out the side of the vehicle to keep the other side of the unit cool. You could then put that power back into the batteries. I know electic motors don't waste a lot of energy as heat but they do get rather warm and every little bit helps right? Would this make for a noticable (if very small) increase in range?

  • @Dagosaatana
    @Dagosaatana9 жыл бұрын

    You said you are looking at a TEG for some specific application. Is it for the µWatch or something else :)?

  • @Jose-tw9bl
    @Jose-tw9bl4 жыл бұрын

    I tried to build the LTC3109, but didn't work... I really don't know why. Check the orientation of the transformers, caps values, pcb layout with DRC etc.. got nothing... anyone else tried to build something like this?

  • @madferret2045
    @madferret20458 жыл бұрын

    It will be relatively quick (vid 1 hour long)

  • @rodsofgod6863
    @rodsofgod68639 жыл бұрын

    So Dave, final opinion regarding the powerpot and biolite stove...

  • @TheCarpenterUnion
    @TheCarpenterUnion9 жыл бұрын

    Wouldn't it generate the same voltage as it's voltage drop and have the current flow vary based on temp? To turn a greyscale LCD segment on you need at least a volt.

  • @AdamSkubel
    @AdamSkubel9 жыл бұрын

    I notice the Agilent U1272A hasn't gotten any exposure lately. Is its curvy body too lascivious for the EEVBlog? Or is that 30k count too much to handle?

  • @EEVblog

    @EEVblog

    9 жыл бұрын

    Adam Skubel I usually just grad the nearest meter to hand.

  • @voltare2amstereo
    @voltare2amstereo9 жыл бұрын

    Qucik experiment - 55 minutes later - i call it the dave jones effect

  • @redtails

    @redtails

    9 жыл бұрын

    voltare2amstereo I'll see you in Davy Jones' locker

  • @redstoner2006
    @redstoner20069 жыл бұрын

    hi Dave. at 29:00 you wanted the cap to go over the 5.25 volts but you miss a 5.25 volt zener diode inside the LTC3108 next to the rectification.

  • @flying149
    @flying1498 жыл бұрын

    Hi Dave Have you looked at the Powercast wifi chip for energy harvesting, it looks impressive but could also be a lot of hot air. I remember you did a video on wifi energy sometime ago and the numbers were BS. Just wondering if technology has moved on since then and we can actually get small amounts of power from the wifi back-scatter.

  • @kissingfrogs
    @kissingfrogs9 жыл бұрын

    @7:54 I thought if there is a temperature gradient or differential (and thermally conductive) then energy must flow. Is this not so?

  • @11zekim
    @11zekim9 жыл бұрын

    OK so how does the LTC3108 oscillator start? You need something with positive dV/dt to trigger the MOSFET the first time. With 20 mV DC in, the circuit as shown will just sit there forever. The LT data sheet is concealing the magical bit.

  • @eriksbelte4119
    @eriksbelte41199 жыл бұрын

    Will it work if one heatsink is outside and one is inside? BTW i live in north so it's always cold outside:D And the scale should be bigger if possible,like 2 by 1 meter.

  • @cybercapri
    @cybercapri9 жыл бұрын

    Dude, you make Electronics look EASY, but for me its like Rocket Science... Thanks for sharing I am learning, SLOWLY, but I am learning just the same....

  • @EEVblog

    @EEVblog

    9 жыл бұрын

    Paul Bialozor Keep at it!

  • @whitcwa
    @whitcwa9 жыл бұрын

    How does the resonant oscillator start? Also, at 1:50 you said "they form a chain of PN junctions" . That isn't the case because the P and N types do not touch.

  • @DudokX
    @DudokX9 жыл бұрын

    Really enjoyed this video!

  • @holtzda
    @holtzda9 жыл бұрын

    Could you give some discussion of the thermal considerations, like how the thermal impedance is influenced by electrical power generated? This would allow us to calculate how long it would take to reach thermal equilibrium given the thermal masses on each side of the generator at different temperatures, power generation, thermal time constants, etc.

  • @ingenfare
    @ingenfare9 жыл бұрын

    Love the video and the introduction to linear's energy harvesters.. You got around 25°C differential. A lot of TEG's have a best output (delta?) at around 75°C differential so should be a lot more potential power to get out of it. Have played some with TEG's and found that you can get a lot more power out of them using watercooling and woodstove (not very scientific but the amount of heat energy going through the element is huge). The problem is of course that the soldering can't handle to much heat and having to keep an eye on the setup defeats the point of the energy harvesters.

  • @EEVblog

    @EEVblog

    9 жыл бұрын

    ingenfare Yeah, I need to do a high temp difference. In fact I need to try it in my actual application to get the real results I'm after.

  • @stoatrepublic
    @stoatrepublic4 жыл бұрын

    26:53 taps Fluke display like a analogue meter, lol.

  • @MatthewSuffidy
    @MatthewSuffidy9 жыл бұрын

    Maybe you could get some energy from the inside/outside temps of a house in summer with air-conditioning. You could use some conductor metal through the wall from a black collector on the outside. The conduction across the plates would up your heating costs vs the output... A bit of something for nothing?

  • @surenbono6063
    @surenbono60632 жыл бұрын

    I did not know about ltc3108 + 1:20 transformer until yesterday..it should come with the Peltier (TEG).. can't wait to charge my phone with my arm heat..or at least lit up a 5mm led..

  • @Ke3per88
    @Ke3per889 жыл бұрын

    Could this device be placed in-between a CPU and its heatsink to power the cooling fan? hmm...

  • @SlavTiger

    @SlavTiger

    4 ай бұрын

    Would reduce the thermal transfer, having it baked into the heatsink, however, may be less efficient at recycling but also less inhibitive of the heatsink's thermal wicking.

  • @AureliusR
    @AureliusR7 жыл бұрын

    It's also important to note that Seebeck was FIRST!! He discovered the Seebeck (and many speculate possibly also what we now call the Peltier effect) over 12 years before Peltier started his experiments.

  • @MrMac5150
    @MrMac51509 жыл бұрын

    I played with one of the little frig coolers, they suck up electricity and give you little cooling in return.

  • @lnwolf41
    @lnwolf419 жыл бұрын

    With all the testing you did, is there a sweet spot in the temperature differential to give the best energy production? I did see a guy set up a large seeback module with a heat sink outside (winter temps) and a wood stove near it. so lets say 5 degrees outside and 32 degree's inside. Would that produce more power than 15 degrees and 25 degrees?

  • @AccessControlForum
    @AccessControlForum9 жыл бұрын

    nice. Double check lav mic angle at the beginning or normalize the audio. It goes up and down enough to sound funky when you turn your head. Thumps up from us!

  • @EEVblog

    @EEVblog

    9 жыл бұрын

    accesscontrolforum Yes. People think lav mics are the universal solution, they aren't.

  • @SuperLefty2000
    @SuperLefty20009 жыл бұрын

    Hey Dave. Do a video on how to design an AC to DC converter for using in energy harvesting technologies.

  • @kg4boj
    @kg4boj9 жыл бұрын

    *opposite is the seebeck effect. If I remember that looked straight out of a forest mimms book.

  • 9 жыл бұрын

    do you remember the old train mechanically driven by heat differentials? i cant remember who made it (the name of) but maybe you could use it in conjunction with this to generate energy! i googled it now though and remembered its the Stirling motor! so add an alternator small enough to run it smoothly with a stirling motor and test the output on that for the max time you can run it that would be interesting i think :D if i had the money i would get and use 1 so that if it runs smooth enough you simply add another alternator the other side of it and get double the power output! (obviously it would be double minus the friction energy loss of it running two alternators ofcores. im interested in energy generation of bigger scales than say float charging. then add inverters for ac power output using the best smoothing capacitors and batteries :P another good one is hydrogen ofcorse but too far for alot of people and its not surprising really but could be better than nuclear energy in the long run.!

  • @PhattyMo
    @PhattyMo9 жыл бұрын

    8:05 - I was waiting for the "Doh" moment.

  • @dans_Learning_Curve
    @dans_Learning_Curve9 жыл бұрын

    We bought a cooler with a Peltier device that failed early on. I took it apart. I found black sealing compound in between the a Peltier and the heatsink! There also was some heat transfer paste in there but it effectiveness was diminished by the addition of the black sealing compound. Looks to be an assembly error where the a Peltier brushed against the sealer. I called the company and talked to who I believe was an engineer. He really didn't listen to me, but did tell me to send it to him. I got a new a Peltier in a week or two. I had left a heatsink on it and got a heatsink back. However, the one I got back was for the outside, and I had sent them an inside one. I was stuck with two outside heatsinks which the inside air deflector didn't fit and would fall off!

  • @C2welder
    @C2welder7 жыл бұрын

    Does anybody have an idea for a dc buck converter than can take 0.5v 5A and bring it to 5V.

  • @NickGerv1

    @NickGerv1

    7 жыл бұрын

    C2welder check out DROK they make all kinds of need components

  • @tyga42
    @tyga429 жыл бұрын

    @19:10 LDO 2.2 could be used with a joule thief to add charge back to curcuit in low power conditions? Only thinking this coz im trying to make a pneumatic powered dynamo and need some kind of regulator before committing the charge to a battery, there's also the 1.2v vref which could be another collection point to re-harness volts instead of dumping them to heat? but im an idiot what would I know :P

  • @Romenadan
    @Romenadan9 жыл бұрын

    Hey Dave, you've got wifi in the lab, why not try WiFi energy harvesting. Whip up a quick and dirty 2.4GHz yagi connected to a resonant circuit that feeds a schottky bridge and then energy storage bank. Who knows, maybe you'll get enough power to run a work bench clock!

  • @EEVblog

    @EEVblog

    9 жыл бұрын

    Matt Giordano EEVblog #55 - RCA Airnergy WiFi Hotspot Free Energy Harvesting Marketing BS

  • @Romenadan

    @Romenadan

    9 жыл бұрын

    EEVblog Haha, didn't know you had a video on it already. Awesome. Hey, that's still 80uW of power, you were only getting 120uW out of your hand in this video. I wasn't too far off thinking you could run a LCD clock.

  • @Chr0nalis
    @Chr0nalis9 жыл бұрын

    Dave , try using a compressor on your audio to equalize your levels. I think you realized yourself that when your head is turned you are noticeably quieter .

  • @MrYendor1968
    @MrYendor19689 жыл бұрын

    if I took a few hundred Peltier chips shaped like a torus shape like a particle accelerator but a heat accelerator or heat storage device just wondering how you could use a heat accelerator

  • @leppie
    @leppie9 жыл бұрын

    I was hoping to see you freeze that heatsink with some compressed air.

  • @leonardjanus7599
    @leonardjanus75999 жыл бұрын

    I would highlight this new concept that work without temperatures differentials: The Thermocell - A Solar Cell You Can Paint On Anything A P/N junction with low band.gap materials, in the middle of a galvanic cell.

  • @Buildings1772
    @Buildings17729 жыл бұрын

    right so its the electrons that move the thermal energy? heating up in the bottom plate absorbing the energy and then they move up to the top plate and cool releasing the thermal energy into the environment?

  • @EEVblog

    @EEVblog

    9 жыл бұрын

    ***** Yep, you got it.

  • @KarmaElectronics.
    @KarmaElectronics.9 жыл бұрын

    ordered a few for a wine cooler repair..:)

  • @melehost
    @melehost9 жыл бұрын

    I just come up with a great idea. Seebeck Road Tiles. You could generate electricity from dissipation of heat in the ground for lighting up LED road signs. joshing.. but hey..

  • @EEVblog

    @EEVblog

    9 жыл бұрын

    mele host Patent it and put it on Indiegogo! Flexible funding of course.

  • @bilzoo20001

    @bilzoo20001

    9 жыл бұрын

    No you gotta use that piezoelectric effect from the tire vibrations, and use the power for local electric car charging stations, infinite clean electricity.

  • @redtails

    @redtails

    9 жыл бұрын

    ***** What runs the sun? ;) Right, oil!

  • @redtails

    @redtails

    9 жыл бұрын

    ***** Lol, I know. I was just trolling. On this planet there's only like 3 forms of energy anyway. solar (which includes oil, coal, gas, wind, solar cells, hydropower, garbage burning), nuclear (which includes fusion, fission, geothermal) and the moon (tidal energy). Our gasoline cars are pretty much running on very cheap very inefficient solar energy.

  • @chartle1

    @chartle1

    9 жыл бұрын

    ***** But its waste vibrations. :)

  • @nickfelstead7559
    @nickfelstead75595 жыл бұрын

    "display it for you yanks" hahahah love it

  • @w8lvradio
    @w8lvradio9 жыл бұрын

    hey some kid in Canada figured out how to make a flashlight out of a Peltier Module, and a "Joule Thief" I think. A flashlight that used no batteries just the heat of your hand to give useful light-- here's the link and HOW COOL IS THAT, Eh?

  • @dsfs17987
    @dsfs179879 жыл бұрын

    I bet the "cool" side of this peltier was getting warm, thus the need to apply ever greater amount of energy on the top side to keep the thing generating power, they (Wurth) should have made the peltier in this kit detachable, so you could actually put the cooling radiator in a bucket of ice cold water or even use some dry ice or something to max out the effect I heard of kits sold in Russia years ago, USSR time, where you had a "brick" sized pallet of these, you put the hot side against a wooden stove used to heat up the room in cold weather, and the cool side is in the room ambient, those things supposedly could generate enough power for a small radio receiver in places where there was no mains ac, not sure how much of this is true though

  • @melehost
    @melehost9 жыл бұрын

    Has anyone tried to integrate these Seebeck harvesters in applications of heat management, example PC CPU cooling, etc, to help duty cycle power use?

  • @TheChipmunk2008

    @TheChipmunk2008

    9 жыл бұрын

    Heat management... i guess this kind of fits, for people who use woodstoves, you can get a seebeck fan that sits on top of the hot stovetop, using a heatsink for 'ambient' again, that helps blow the warm air around. Apparently they're quite good at what they do and of course the energy's effectively free

  • @melehost

    @melehost

    9 жыл бұрын

    ***** cool.

  • @melehost

    @melehost

    9 жыл бұрын

    Imagine if you had a mineral oil filled PC case with the sides being Seebeck panels.

  • @gustaflindberg8899

    @gustaflindberg8899

    9 жыл бұрын

    I saw a build once where a guy used a peltier element in a candle holder. The heat sink on the cold side was cooled by a fan that was powered by the TEG. So a closed system with a candle as a heat source. Utterly pointless since it didn't do anything more than power itself but a fun little contraption. As for integreting in PC cooling. The problem is that you get so little energy out from them and that you need to drive them at a high temperature delta. You will basically mess up your cooling system to get a fraction of a watt extra and that cannot be used for anything useful in a computer. They can drive those really low power ARM-cores and other extremely low powered things like the board in the video. But then you need another heat source. It all boils down to the extremely low overall efficiency of a TEG with the voltage regulator. So it cannot really efficiently be used as a energy recovery system in a computer. But there are other neat things like phone chargers than can be used with a camp fire so you can keep using your smartphone while you are out in the wilderness. Another important thing regarding the efficiency. As soon as you start talking about larger scale energy recovery, you will pretty much always be better off with a sterling engine or some other heat engine cycle. Sure, it includes moving parts but you get much better efficiency and that's what it's all about. I've seen a coaster with an integrated tiny sterling engine that used the temperature difference from the hot mug or cold glass to generate some electricity. It claimed to be able to charge a phone but I am sceptical about that. It was also rather expensive but very cool. Mercedes (or was it BMW?) are actually working on a full steam turbine (Brayton cycle) for their cars where they use waste heat from the engine to boil alcohol that powers a small turbine which in turn runs a generator. TEGs are really really cool but the horrible efficiency means that they are only ever useful for some very niche, low power applications.

  • @stonail665
    @stonail6659 жыл бұрын

    Thank for demystification

  • @JohnPatry
    @JohnPatry9 жыл бұрын

    This was excellent,but not what I wanted to hear. I would have liked it better and it would have more directly answered my questions about the Seebec/Peltier value if EEVblog had matched the back side of the plate with sufficient heat dissipation to sustain the heat injection on the top. If I connect 10 of them in series could I get to 12v?

  • @chaoslandlord
    @chaoslandlord7 жыл бұрын

    yeah... Seebeck-Effect... the energy-source for Voyager 1 & 2... (Radioisotope Thermoelectric Generator)

  • @EigentuininhuisNlAqauponics
    @EigentuininhuisNlAqauponics8 жыл бұрын

    nice one got one to experiment with microbial fuel cells meaby you wanna do a energy harvesting with nature video :)

  • @coyzee1
    @coyzee19 жыл бұрын

    It's a bit like an electronic version of a Sterling Engine.

  • @b4ux1t3-tech
    @b4ux1t3-tech9 жыл бұрын

    How relevant would this be to, say, a hobbyist computer builder who likes to push his hardware to its limits? I'm thinking I could stick a Seebeck module on an overclocked CPU and use its heat to generate electricity to be fed ack into the system. Would that cut power usage by any significant amount? Significant, in this case, meaning: could it offset the extra power used by an overclocked device by even a few percent? Or maybe produce enough current to power a fan? I'm thinking I should try this out for myself.

  • @CalcProgrammer1
    @CalcProgrammer19 жыл бұрын

    What happens if you stack Seebeck modules on top of each other? If the heat transfers through from one side to the other, would you be able to harvest the heat transfer multiple times before it reaches the "cold sink" on the other end? Would this affect the output per module such that the overall energy output is no greater than with a single module?

  • @oriole8789

    @oriole8789

    9 жыл бұрын

    It can be done both in the peltier case and in the seebeck case, but stacking for both approaches requires different techniques. For peltier mode, each additional module has to not only transfer the heat from the original source, but take up the extra heat generated by the previous device, plus its own internal heat. So efficiency drops off quickly, and you essentially need a purpose-built system where you're very well aware of what your thermal gradient is through the system to get the best end result. Such techniques can be used to achieve cryogenic temperatures but it's neither cheap nor easy because you'll need specialized modules at that point. Same for seebeck mode, where each additional module has to have different chemistry in order to maintain efficiency. This subject is widely discussed in various papers online should you wish to get more detailed info. :)

  • @robertcalkjr.8325

    @robertcalkjr.8325

    9 жыл бұрын

    Sounds like a good project to investigate.

  • @redtails

    @redtails

    9 жыл бұрын

    CalcProgrammer1 Not really, bottom of the first would be identical in temperature to the top of the second (if you place them in series, aka stack them). Of course it works when they're parallel. However, with regular peltiers you can do this. In a lot of high-tier stationary cameras (scientific-CMOS and emCCD for microscopes and space-observation), the sensor itself is kept cold (typically -40 to -100). The temperature differential of a single peltier can't cool that far, so they're stacked to increase the overall maximum temperature differential.

  • @worroSfOretsevraH
    @worroSfOretsevraH9 жыл бұрын

    These are the kind of videos I like, not those shit mailbag ones... Thumbs UP!

  • @poweredbysergey
    @poweredbysergey8 жыл бұрын

    Nice!

  • @jasonbrown467
    @jasonbrown467 Жыл бұрын

    5% teg efficiency could be a deal breaker for my project. on top of it all, so far i an only able to produce a max of 400mw using my eyes and hands on a load tester looking for mppt. my max current i have seen is 300ma using copper water blocks, artic silver thermal compound and 150f on the hot side and 30f on the cold side.

  • @snarkyboojum
    @snarkyboojum9 жыл бұрын

    "relatively quick experiment today" *checks length of video* (54:43) :D

  • @hommadi2001
    @hommadi20019 жыл бұрын

    Cool CERN shirt :)

  • @lubenz007
    @lubenz0079 жыл бұрын

    Put the Peltier inside a cap so it thouch'es your forhead. connect it to joule thief, and light a led.

  • @maxsnts
    @maxsnts9 жыл бұрын

    5 multimeters on the same shot? now you are just showing off! lol

  • @W4BIN
    @W4BIN8 жыл бұрын

    It looks to me like the 1:100 turns ratio step up transformer feeds a Voltage doubler in the LTC3108 Energy harvesting chip, not “a single diode rectifier and filter there” as Dave said. With up to a a 5% efficiency the technology is barely usable. My ice less pick nick cooler barely works. It never gets the pick nick food cold, but the food never gets hot or spoils before being eaten while tent camping, it runs down the car battery over night. We camp only where there is electricity.

  • @JesusvonNazaret
    @JesusvonNazaret9 жыл бұрын

    5 meters, 4 to take measurements and one to emulate a brick :D

  • @tyga42
    @tyga429 жыл бұрын

    shame you can't use the thermal energy off a cpu to cool it without a heat sink or fan :/

  • @w8lvradio
    @w8lvradio8 жыл бұрын

    Then it will stop working.... there has to be a temperature difference between the two junctions...

  • @xXxbastek
    @xXxbastek9 жыл бұрын

    you newer get thermal equilibrium, until ambient temperature isn't equal to heat souse temp. energy flow until there is temp difference in system, ambient is part of system!

  • @ILOVENUKES1000
    @ILOVENUKES10009 жыл бұрын

    sadly the efficiency is so bad, about 20% when i remember correctly. I watched some videos and investigated on the thermotunneling principle. it sounds like a valid idea, the problem is, if you ask me, that they are using wrong materials. Carbon nanotubes could stabilize the gap between the metals while maintaining almost perfect heat isolation. i dont have the money to try that, sadly.

  • @JesusisJesus
    @JesusisJesus9 жыл бұрын

    All that for 5% efficiency? Is that why the car fridge I bought at dick smith really sucks and can't even cool down one can?

  • @redtails

    @redtails

    9 жыл бұрын

    Jesus pretty much, peltier sucks. There's a reason we're still using overly complicated compressors and freon gas andsoforth for simple tasks like keeping our food cold

  • @viermidebutura

    @viermidebutura

    9 жыл бұрын

    the 5% efficiency is the same in both ways?

  • @redtails

    @redtails

    9 жыл бұрын

    viermidebutura Well no, as a heating element, peltier is 100% efficient. But then again, there's no magic to making a 100% efficiency heater.

  • @ElectroMac74
    @ElectroMac749 жыл бұрын

    excellent video dave, thanks, just a tip , because life is short i start watching all youtube videos on 1.25x speed and it work just fine. (no fences)

  • @EEVblog

    @EEVblog

    9 жыл бұрын

    ElectroMac74 So my already high pitched voice is even higher?!

  • @ElectroMac74

    @ElectroMac74

    9 жыл бұрын

    EEVblog nope still lovely. whats about make a sandwich of these to harvest more power.

  • @DejanTesic

    @DejanTesic

    9 жыл бұрын

    EEVblog It shouldn't be, it is just faster.

  • @stonail665

    @stonail665

    9 жыл бұрын

    try 0.5x :Dave on narcotics

  • @ElectroMac74

    @ElectroMac74

    9 жыл бұрын

    pooya payvar yep! sound like the smartest moron in the planet

  • @Mystifiedmoto
    @Mystifiedmoto9 жыл бұрын

    What you should do is try and cool the bottom while heating the top of your dev and see if you get more power out of it

  • @EEVblog

    @EEVblog

    9 жыл бұрын

    Chris Lavoie No need to try, the answer is you'll definitely get more power out of it.

  • @Mystifiedmoto

    @Mystifiedmoto

    9 жыл бұрын

    Then Maby try and put a 1farad cap and see how long it will last

  • @donkey424
    @donkey4249 жыл бұрын

    26:45 EEVblog 15mA * 50mV = 750uW got me wondering how far off that is from powering something like these *digital "always listening" MEMS microphones* like those in the Moto-X from Wolfson which take just *_735 microAmps at 1.62 (to 3.7)V_* .. www.wolfsonmicro.com/products/mems-microphones/ p.s. I love these brainy design videos -- good on you mate! Cheers from Britian! SIG: _"It's No Vice to be a Novice!"_

  • @cmdstraker
    @cmdstraker9 жыл бұрын

    Can anyone explain to me why Peltier-based devices aren't more widely used in computer cooling?

  • @robertcalkjr.8325

    @robertcalkjr.8325

    9 жыл бұрын

    I guess because batteries are smaller, cheaper, and more efficient.

  • @nickguy6820

    @nickguy6820

    9 жыл бұрын

    They require a lot of current, while the industry is trending toward energy efficiency. While they can be effective, air cooling is sufficient in most cases. They just "move" heat, not "remove" it, so you still have to have a cooling system able to move their waste heat elsewhere. Proper setup is nowhere near as trivial as a traditional HSF combo. Water cooling gets you geek cred without having to explain what a Peltier is.

  • @redtails

    @redtails

    9 жыл бұрын

    cmdstraker if you think about it, a peltier device would still require a separate cooling fan to keep the peltier itself from overheating. It's safe to say that peltier is not a cooler, it's a heat-pump. Also, because peltier can change the temperature to below ambient, you get a lot of nasty condensation issues

  • @cmdstraker

    @cmdstraker

    9 жыл бұрын

    Nick Guy Thanks.The high currents could be a problem. It just seemed a lot more covienient to squeeze a peltier in between the CPU and a few pounds of copper than to set up a water cooling loop

  • @SamFugarino

    @SamFugarino

    9 жыл бұрын

    Condensation?

  • @TheThore
    @TheThore9 жыл бұрын

    Würth is pronounced without english "th", but like "t" at the end (just ignore the h at the end). But the ü is almost correct ;)

  • @SimoWill75
    @SimoWill757 жыл бұрын

    So sad that the Tek is relegated to being a simple weight. I'd have used the Brymen as a weight.

  • @richfiles1
    @richfiles19 жыл бұрын

    Why'd you use an old Tektronix multimeter as a weight. Thats the one application a cheap Chinese meter would actually excel at! So many uses for those cheap meters! Weights, doorstops, window props, target practice, etc. :)

  • @robertcalkjr.8325

    @robertcalkjr.8325

    9 жыл бұрын

    I have a little Sinometer M300 that I paid $10 for that is pretty accurate. It doesn't have much resolution, but it's a pretty good emergency meter to have in the glovebox.

  • @redtails

    @redtails

    9 жыл бұрын

    Richard Pi Lol. Chinese merchandise at its finest

  • @winrid
    @winrid9 жыл бұрын

    Three year old brother is watching this with me. Tried to switch tabs and he cries.

  • @greenpogo
    @greenpogo9 жыл бұрын

    Shouldn't the title then be. 'Seebeck Energy Harvesting Experiments'? :P

  • @EEVblog

    @EEVblog

    9 жыл бұрын

    christian newcomer Yeah, but I'm a search keyword whore, and everyone searches for Peltier!

  • @phoenixcrp
    @phoenixcrp9 жыл бұрын

    I do honestly believe the only one harvesting something out of it is LT with that little "sort of" kit. It is called ... $$$ ... :P

  • @JustinHallPlus
    @JustinHallPlus9 жыл бұрын

    EEVblog Are these also so inefficient as cooling devices? I imagine they aren't that great or else they would be more common.

  • @PatrickHansen101

    @PatrickHansen101

    8 жыл бұрын

    +Justin Hall From what I've gathered, 1/3 of the power consumed goes into cooling, the rest is heat. So if you used, say, a 72W peltier element to cool a CPU, you'd have to dissipate 48 Watts worth of heat, while only being able to draw 24 watts worth from the CPU, so you'd probably be better off just trying to dissipate the CPU's heat directly.

  • @JustinHallPlus

    @JustinHallPlus

    8 жыл бұрын

    Well, that's about how well a refrigerator performs actually. The hot side of the coil almost always releases more heat than the cold side can absorb, but I see what you mean. If you were going to do it, you'd want to put a heat pipe from the cpu to the Peltier element, mounted to the outside of the case with a big heat sink to dissipate the heat, otherwise you'd be shooting yourself in the foot if you released that heat back into the case. Still less efficient than a fan and sink.

  • @IIGrayfoxII
    @IIGrayfoxII9 жыл бұрын

    Peltier are pretty good on CPUs. Kipkay used a peltier to charge a iphone by installing in on a camp stove tin.

  • @EEVblog

    @EEVblog

    9 жыл бұрын

    IIGrayfoxII That was a ridiculous video. No regulation, just direct phone connection! no indication any usable power got transferred or the phone was just tricked into displaying the charge indicator. No indication if the peltier device survived the heat. Crazy.

  • @IIGrayfoxII

    @IIGrayfoxII

    9 жыл бұрын

    EEVblog I agree kip is just in it for the money and not for helping others.

  • @Razor2048

    @Razor2048

    9 жыл бұрын

    IIGrayfoxII Pretty much, the ads in his videos are longer than the content its self for his shorter videos, and about 1/3rd of the content on his longer videos, and in other situations, 2/3rds of the content when he decides to spend time advertising his store, in addition to a sponsor, (and if you do not have adblock, then that can go down to 3/4ths of the content being ads when the channel inserts a 30 second ad in front of the video.

  • @Diggnuts

    @Diggnuts

    9 жыл бұрын

    Bah, I can't stand that kipkay guy. He does neither engineering nor hacking, just extreme low entry level low quality tomfoolery that is of no use to anybody.

  • @brothyr

    @brothyr

    9 жыл бұрын

    Diggnuts I'd say 100% of all his videos are well known "hacks".

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