EEVblog 1624 - Electronex: Liquid Instruments Moku Oscilloscope
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An interview at the Liquid Instruments stand at Electronex 2024 about the Moku range of multi-function mixed signal oscilloscope, designed and built in Australia!
Thanks to Ben Price for answering the questions even though he's the mechnical engineer!
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Didn't think I'd stick around for the full 13 minute ad. Now I want to see the tear down.
@EEVblog
27 күн бұрын
They said they'll send me the small one for teardown and review.
@jutukka
27 күн бұрын
@@EEVblogYou could have said him that don't bother, let's do it now. I mean when they see that mail bag opening knife of yours no one says no. 😊
functions: all of them, temp sensors: sure, a bunch, almost all of them, bandwidth: yeah, all of it.
Crikey.... I want one. I don't need one, of course, but I still want one!
Analog Discovery on steroids! Pretty interesting, a good addition to a crammed lab or when you're on the move. I love the Pro mechanical design - clearly well made and functional, it kinda reminds me of Power Macs.
@EEVblog
28 күн бұрын
It looked pretty schmick.
It's an FPGA based solution with relatively low channel count and my understanding is that they're able to use the same ADC components for voltage input signals and reconfigure it for oscilloscope, spectrum analyzer, lock-in amplifier and etc functions.
@GalileoAV
28 күн бұрын
I was going to ask if this was FPGA when he mentioned deploying new instrument packages, what a cool system
@Axman6
27 күн бұрын
Not just new, you can write your own and put them in any slot.
@LiquidInstruments
26 күн бұрын
@@GalileoAV Exactly right, FPGA-based devicves with software-defined instruments.
@LiquidInstruments
26 күн бұрын
@@Axman6 Yes -- users can deploy their own instruments using Moku Cloud Compile.
The UI 0:32 is DELICIOUS ! Well done, folks!
b-b-but I like switching cables... I have a big collection of cool, painfully over priced cables :( For real though, how the heck do they cram all that into 1 box?
@angoose2515
28 күн бұрын
Must be like the tardis. Larger on the inside
@Roobotics
28 күн бұрын
They never answered the notion about analog switches.. so my guess is there actually are none and it was an incorrect guess, likely ADC-FPGA-DAC driven, and configured via software in that sense.
Thant's next level - go Ausy Tech!
That is one stand at which I did stop and spend some time. Very cool!!
This kit looks amazing. Teardown please
Why does it look so slick? Why is it not clunky to use? I want clunky beige boxes! This is too refined!
A laser lab I work with has six Moko pros.
@EEVblog
28 күн бұрын
Fanboys.
@quetzalcoatl-pl
28 күн бұрын
And how much do they like them?
@shazam6274
27 күн бұрын
@@quetzalcoatl-pl At least $100k !
looks like a decent product at a reasonable price
Definitely want to see a teardown! I've been thinking about getting a software based setup. Looks like this is the way to go. @ $600US , sounds pretty good.
i've worked with the moku pro within the scope of my thesis. great instrument, easy to use and lots of functionalities
Hopefully that demonstrated UI control system server can be run completely locally without any forced Cloud (TM) innovation.
@Crynja
28 күн бұрын
Yep, sub microsecond input to output latency. No cloud in the loop.
I want one. Now!
It looks like there's a 25V/5V input limit on the 60MHz and 200MHz one respectively. That seems it's going to be a pain if you want to replace a regular scope with one of these.
@EEVblog
28 күн бұрын
Very common to not get the same input attenuator flexibility on USB scopes like this.
Awesome.
Wow great job
The Moku devices remind me of working with LabView virtual instruments, except Moku does it with FPGAs and ancillary hardware.
@shazam6274
27 күн бұрын
And what looks like a much nicer GUI instead of the crappy LabView stuff.
@wtmayhew
27 күн бұрын
@@shazam6274 Yes, it looks like the Moku UI is well polished based on the video, I’d like to try it out first hand.
@Crynja
27 күн бұрын
App is free to download and has a demo mode (not exactly a simulation but lets you play with the UI and get a feel for its limitations)
@wtmayhew
27 күн бұрын
@@Crynja Thank you for the suggestion.
Very cool
Pretty awesome Will look into more I'd love to support more Aussie made products
I'm totally interested in purchasing but only if you can ramp the PS with the function generator!
@EEVblog
28 күн бұрын
Would seem silly if you can't with all this insane flexibility, but needs to be tested.
@bill6255
28 күн бұрын
@@EEVblog I agree - I really wanted see it function
hope they send one in for review!
This looks really exciting. I am particularly interested in the smaller unit for use in the class room. Is the Python API for the smaller unit full featured? I would like to see a demo of the API for sure.
@LiquidInstruments
26 күн бұрын
We've got a Python demo coming up, actually -- you can register for the webinar on our website. It'll have a live Q&A as well.
@marcfruchtman9473
25 күн бұрын
@@LiquidInstruments Could you give a hint as to "where" on your website I would find that?
@LiquidInstruments
25 күн бұрын
@@marcfruchtman9473 Absolutely -- we're unable to post links, but head to our website and mouse over "Company", head to "Events Calendar", and scroll down to one of the webinars on July 24. There will be two sessions, so feel free to choose the one that works best for you.
@LiquidInstruments
25 күн бұрын
@@marcfruchtman9473 Happy to help! On the top menu of our homepage, hover over "Company" and then scroll down to "Events Calendar." There, you can see all of our upcoming events, including webinars. For our July Python demo, there are two times available. Hope to see you there!
Can't wait for Dave's review. Also a comparison to Virtins from Singapore would be nice
Thought Emporium would definitely love to have one.
Neat! Bit pricey, but nothing else on the market like this. Well done kid!
Very excited for a review... is it already on your bench, Dave?😁
@EEVblog
27 күн бұрын
Nope, they said they'd send me the small one though.
Me after seeing the thumbnail: “Oh Lord, are oscilloscopes now getting gratuitous RGB lighting?!”
@mattmoreira210
27 күн бұрын
Everybody knows RGB makes things go faster...
I was looking at this instrument for our lab. The huge problem for us NO GPIOS.... whyy?? Put some configurable gpios !!!
@Axman6
27 күн бұрын
The Moku:Go has 16 digital pins. From the website: 2 analog inputs Up to 30 MHz, 125 MSa/s outputs 2 analog outputs Up to 20 MHz, 125 MSa/s Digital I/O 16 channels, 125 MSa/s per channel Power Supply Up to 4 channels (model dependent)
@EEVblog
27 күн бұрын
You can connect the small version and get the digital inputs, he mentioned that.
@ExplosiveAnyThing
27 күн бұрын
Yes, thats true but still if you want to integrate the pro version then you can't. I mean, yes, you can always use another instrument of even a microcontroller, but only software triggering.... Edit: Yes, I know it has a trigger input that we could use with our SMU but we also have a switcher board right now as well which is controlled by the SMU GPIOs. This would be great if the pro had this option.... But generally, I think it's a good concept.
The buzzwords are all there, but is the bandwidth? Is the noise floor?
@jabbalechat7910
28 күн бұрын
500MHz bandwidth...
been watching EEVblog since a kid at age 13 i’m now 21
@BMRStudio
28 күн бұрын
More 30 Years to go 😂
@FinnGamble
28 күн бұрын
I have good news and bad news. You’re still a kid. But not to worry, you’ll still be a kid 30 years from now. 😄
@MrRelevance02
28 күн бұрын
@@BMRStudio 😂
It's cool but what happens if the company goes bust? Does it become paperweight?
If that can work with Linux laptop, I want one.
@s8wc3
28 күн бұрын
It can if you make your own gui using the http request api lol
@Rubacava_
26 күн бұрын
Probably an electron app so it can work with anything
@s8wc3
26 күн бұрын
@@Rubacava_ The gui is built on qt so it could theoretically work, however they likely chose not to release a linux version because their hardware uses custom drivers for the USB interface, which poses a problem for their lowest end (likely most popular) devices which have no LAN port
So, to be clear. This "is" better than owning a 1ch 5mhz CRO? Just asking...
I like the name.
Wish it did eye diagrams so that i could Test thunderbolt and USB C cables.
Words for the algorithm Gods: "Dogs are scientifically smarter than cats, although cats are proven to understand what humans are saying better. I don’t know what that says about us, but meaning, Study shows that cats understand your commands, but don’t care."
This has to be FPGA based, right?
@LiquidInstruments
27 күн бұрын
Yes, it is.
Want
Mouser are telling me it's a snip at £21k for the Silver system... 🤣🤣🤣
Damn, if the go had a decent 400V input voltage, this would be awesome for tube audio gear repair and development.
@shazam6274
27 күн бұрын
You are free to buy 2 resistors or a 10: probe for ~$20
Grad students' eyes get big...
*sniffs* hmm.
2 grand for a software unlock!
Sexy little boxes for sure. Our guy there wasn't mumbling and staring at the ground, def not a young american engineer 😅
The original some years ago looked very cool, but the specs sucked. Perhaps they've improved...
The price is high, we should wait for Chinese response to this😅
@derkeksinator17
28 күн бұрын
Price in USD isn't too bad IMHO. With the chinese stuff the UI is often terrible, which affects useability. And it often does have other shortcomings as well.
@wtmayhew
28 күн бұрын
@@derkeksinator17 Agreed. The Moku devices appear to have well polished hardware and software. Imagine what the FNIRSI implementation would be like. It would have about 70% of the function and quality, but you’d never be able to tell where the missing 30% is or how it would affect your measurements.
Salesman is young and has learning to do. He's got the correct attitude which is the biggest skill to nurture.
@Torchl146
28 күн бұрын
Well he's not a salesman as he stated
@EEVblog
28 күн бұрын
Read the video description and watch the video, he's the mechanical engineer, not a sales person.
that interface is.... awful? i wonder if there's a less flashy, more accessible version?
@shazam6274
27 күн бұрын
LabView and the Chinese have your dream interfaces
@ChrisJackson-js8rd
27 күн бұрын
@@shazam6274 really any interface that could be compressed into the half of the visual spectrum i can see would be manageable with a simple personalization menu but theres a point at a which an interface relies on more contrastive colours than can realistically be compressed into such a restricted space
That sounds like something I would definitely buy! But not before the full firmware has been pirated and offered for free LOL.
1000 AUSSIE BUCKS what's that like 200 USD? LOL.. NO, apparently it's $666 US, how evil. I thought the big boy was $500US lol... And then 1k per instrument. HMM... PRICEY. Edit: $25K for all instruments and future instruments is kind of nice. I don't even use my little $500 entry guy. I don't know how to...
A specialized person would be better to give more technical details about a product that cost 15K . Or maybe they already have a solid number of customers and they don't care too much.
@PhillipRhodes
28 күн бұрын
He was probably there with somebody else and Dave just happened to catch the moment when the others had wandered off to lunch, or use the the loo, or whatever. 🙂
You can tell he's a salesperson that has no idea what he's doing. "A photonic measurements for photon".
@EEVblog
28 күн бұрын
Keep watching (or read the video description), he's the mechanical engineer who worked on the housing and thermal stuff.
@ghydda
28 күн бұрын
and @user-qn4ct1hq6w instantly disqualifies himself as not being a decent human