With a quick search I see it's in Drimmelen. On the N285 between Langeweg en Wagenberg

@muppetpaster

5 ай бұрын

Also in Krommenie 2019....and Noordwijk, Spijkenisse, Haaksbergen and Blauwestad.

@salland12

5 ай бұрын

These are the new ones mentioned. Vijfhuizen Noord-Holland 52.36920797244019, 4.701770451860774 (it isn't build yet on the google images) Oirschot Brabant 51.49314962427526, 5.307194512498644

@wernervt2456

5 ай бұрын

N395 in Oirschot near the crossover of the A58.

@kkzooi

5 ай бұрын

@@muppetpaster Krommenie started in 2014 if im not mistaking. But that one will be replaced by a regular cycle path soon.

@pim

5 ай бұрын

Take a look at 52.3690815,4.7024318 or search for 'Zonnefietspad N232' for the picture Dave showed at 8:39.

During all that talking about the Netherlands it seems you have missed the BEST news! SolaRoad, the company behind the solar cyclepath in Maartensdijk, the "longest in the Netherlands", that produced only 1/4 of the predicted output, has gone OUT OF BUSINESS! The poor director blames the 1/4 result on "trees along the bikepath that gave shade and dirt". Yeah, surely these weren't there when they constructed the solar path. And, as you also saw in the other example, the typical Dutch road with bikepath almost always has trees along it. Now that there is no more backing from the company, he says that "should not affect the trial as the path will provide electricity for the coming years"... Well, we will have to see that. I think it will be demolished before next summer.

@LogiForce86

5 ай бұрын

I swear our country only creates brain dead morons in schools that are only good in exploitation and corruption, because through their contacts and knowing a guy that knows a guy in government or other high place they get to execute this type of crap on tax payers money. The Netherlands is the most corrupt country on the face of this Earth. It seems all well on the surface but all the crap is done through backdoor deals. As we also like to call them... these are "prestige projects". It'll look good on someone's resume but it won't add anything but a heavier load on the tax payer.

@MisterMakerNL

5 ай бұрын

What a cluster f, guy who ran the company said he spend 1 day a week on it. Just did a mayor cash grab. And he went bust because the government stopped funding his bs.

@SianaGearz

5 ай бұрын

I would say for sure trees are better than a solar freaking cycleway... for safety, comfort, and for the environment. A bad businessman blames the competition or something like that? For being better than him at everything?

@HenryLoenwind

5 ай бұрын

Trees along a bike path? That's so sad for the guy who commented he'd be afraid of running into those canopy posts. He'd never be able to bike in the Netherlands unless he gets over his fears with all those trees...

@volodymyrzakolodyazhny7740

5 ай бұрын

Those trees, which rise suddenly along the road? If we could just cover EVERYTHING in our top-notch solar roadways!

The solar cycle path closest to me in Krommenie (the Netherlands) is being replaced by a regular cycle path because of all the problems it had. There was a piece about it in a local paper last week on January 3th It's in Dutch but if you google '' de orkaan, de stekker uit Solaroad'' it's the first article. With a translator you could probably read it

@guidologo

5 ай бұрын

Ja dat dus... gekte! 😂

@Eslar

5 ай бұрын

wise words mr. Bakker. maybe tell Kocken about the 300m bike path that generates 280kw peak in freiburg by just not driving on it. "That the commercial application was the problem seems to be contrary to the facts: the ‘innovation’ itself was the problem." also for just 1million instead of 5million, it is rare that i can be proud of my government doing something right :P

@psychosis7325

5 ай бұрын

Cheers Mate 👍 found it easy.

It's our (I'm Dutch) way to promote and indirectly finance EEVblog. And ofcourse we hope Dave will visit The Netherlands eventually.

@mkolt

5 ай бұрын

Why would you do this to him? 😂

Whenever projects that are known to fail are publicly funded, there's two questions that immediately come to mind: 1) are the ministers who approved it actually that stupid? and 2) how much of a kickback are they getting for funding this nonsense?

@Rob2

5 ай бұрын

These projects are not approved by ministers, they are done in lower ranks of the public authority, like provinces and municipalities. The problems is that these ranks get a task and budget to promote and implement renewable energy. So they have a couple of million in their pockets burning to get spent. Combine that with greedy companies (and even approval/testing institutes) who do not mind getting money for things they know will not work, and you have a disaster waiting to happen. It is not like this is the only field where this problem occurs! It happens in healthcare and childcare as well.

@i.k.8868

5 ай бұрын

​@@Rob2 So many layers of governance are complicit. From EU-level 'sustainability funds' and national funds, to provinces and municipalities... Perhaps it is not the minister that signs off on such projects, but I would wager at least a few dozen civil servants were involved in each one. They should all be found incapable of their job.

@Kabodanki

5 ай бұрын

thinking these people are stupid might be what they want you to believe, they do it for publicity and ideological purity, they don't care about outcomes. Why would they care ? there's virtually no check and balances.

@Kabodanki

5 ай бұрын

@@i.k.8868 The EU that are killing farmers because for the EU they pollute too much... only to import farming products from South America that doesn't have to follow env and social norms that EU farmers have to follow. In the future we will have milk from NZ.... how dumb this is.

@sandrorass890

5 ай бұрын

Side note: Politicians are selected by the people and not by engineers or scientists. You will always have politicians with a lack of understanding in many areas, even in the area where they make important decisions. A fix to this would be that more engineers and scientists become politicians or more politically active. But in my experience, engineers rather want to rant about politicians than actually do something and scientists are usually poor public speakers.

Imagine, like, if they'd just put it on top of a canopy so bike riders have protection from the rain as they cycle around. We could call it, like, solar roofway or something.

@danpatterson8009

5 ай бұрын

And not have to cover the solar cells with thick plastic to protect them from bicycle tires...

@arbiterofuntruth6098

5 ай бұрын

Interesting idea. I had another thought. It’s a long shot, but the panels might prevent sunlight from passing through them, thereby keeping the sunlight out of the riders eyes. It might be more comfortable even when it’s not raining

@floodo1

5 ай бұрын

the complaints are easy to predict for any idea “that’s ugly” lol

@markschroter2640

5 ай бұрын

What if they put water on top and then they could match the Romans. (No not really)

@EndOfLineTech

5 ай бұрын

@@floodo1they don’t have to be. That one Dave showed is definitely how you doing. And that’s not a goal that needs billions on dollars, I saw someone complain about “colliding” with the supports. That just goes to show you how stupid cyclists are. All this could be fixed with a first year engineer lmao in a year max. But oh “that’s too much work” lmao okay what’s 10 years on this then 💀💀💀

As a Dutch person, I feel deeply ashamed. Mostly also why people can't follow very simple basic logic that's being taught at high school?

@LogiForce86

5 ай бұрын

Schools are there (in the Netherlands at least) to make their students brain dead. They are taught to do a trick but they also get their own brain switched off. You could basically call them zombies from an Idiocracy.

@markschroter2640

5 ай бұрын

They don't teach logic in high school, you need tertiary to get that. (It isn't worth the money to take that course either.)

@toomanyaccounts

5 ай бұрын

climate change is a religion that persecutes skeptics

@teslatrooper

5 ай бұрын

@markschroter2640 They teach physics though, calculating some basic power figures is a lot easier than what I remember from my exams

@i.k.8868

5 ай бұрын

@@markschroter2640They don't teach logic at Dutch universities!

As a Dutch guy, I feel so embarrassed by this. Our infrastructure is generally top notch..

@samholdsworth420

5 ай бұрын

Schmoke and a pancake 🥞? Bong and a crepe?

@technoman9000

5 ай бұрын

Unfortunately, the Monorail Man has many disguises... Who can resist that irresistible combination of "sustainability" and "this could put our town on the map"? After all, it's only the taxpayers' money being thrown away...

@edgarwalk5637

5 ай бұрын

It's OK, Australia spent $150m+ on the carbon capture scam.

@i.k.8868

5 ай бұрын

​@@edgarwalk5637 LOL, that is nothing! Here in Utrecht we spent over €500m on a single freaking light rail line which doesn't even work most of the time. It is by far the most expensive tramway in the world, and now our municipal government wants to build a metro as well. A single line for € 4,5 billion !!!!!! For a tiny city where literally everyone bikes, and everyone hates trams and buses. You do the math. And we are also investing massively in carbon capture...

@calholli

5 ай бұрын

It's fine.. It's always good to have a definitive test. Even when it fails, they might learn a few things.

"So, how much greenwashing vaporware do you want?" Netherlands: *yes.*

@xavierayayaell546

5 ай бұрын

WEF testbed

Ft Carson US Army Base in Colorado Springs, Colorado, had solar panels lifted above some parking lots, and it was so nice to park under them in the summer or when it was raining/snowing. They also covered unused/untraveled land with the panels, as well as putting it on a lot of base housing roofs. I liked how they did it. Unfortunately when I was stationed there it was hit by a big hail storm with grapefruit sized hail and that destroyed a bunch of the panels, but that was 6 years ago and I am sure they have repaired them all by now.

@sithus1966

5 ай бұрын

I always said we have tons of big parking lots at big box stores and such that they could cover.

@i.k.8868

5 ай бұрын

There has been pushback against PV on parking in the Netherlands. The municipalities don't want it, because they fear residents won't like looking at it.

@MysteriousFigure

5 ай бұрын

@@i.k.8868 Well do they want to be eco or do the residents just want the panels somewhere because it looks fashionable and is the next best thing, just not in *their* backyard? Really shows you where these people's priorities lie.....

@i.k.8868

5 ай бұрын

​@@MysteriousFigure Sustainability is not a priority of Dutch voters (it was literally at the bottom during the last elections a few weeks back). People don't care about sustainability. They care about how much cash is in their wallet, and they certainly don't want their environment to change. PV on your roof is a smart financial choice, not a fashion or philosophical statement. PV in public space is just a nuisance to most people, because they aren't making money off of it themselves. Let me say it this way: most people have solar panels because it saves them money, not because it is "eco". People that do things because they believe it to be eco-friendly account for less than 15% of the population, unfortunately.

@Rob2

5 ай бұрын

@@i.k.8868 On the other hand, it is fortunate that apparently more and more people realize that you cannot change the environment using projects like this, they are just there to offer "peace of mind", not to actually solve the problem. I am happy that we will no longer be forced to spend money on projects that look nice but have near-zero effect. Better spend that money on research than on actual implementation.

I don't get the logic, what is the point of put some fragile thing in the ground so everybody can stomp it?

@marcogenovesi8570

5 ай бұрын

you must be new here, we have been laughing at solar roadways for a while now. No it does not make any sense, but the grift keeps going for some reason

@punkfingerboards6283

5 ай бұрын

They get taxpayer money for these "green" projects, a few people get rich, and they move on to the next grift. They rely on liberal sheep that foam at the mouth when they hear "climate change"...

@EEVblog

5 ай бұрын

It's "Innovative" so it gets funding.

@marcogenovesi8570

5 ай бұрын

@@EEVblog not even the "innovative" holds water at this point, it's an idea from decades ago. It's just corruption imho

@AvidiaNirvana

5 ай бұрын

​@@marcogenovesi8570It's just like Communism, it just hasn't been done right yet.... Lol

It seems to be in Drimmelen. The provincie Noord Brabant payed 1,1 million Euro for it. The provincie is like a state, just 1/12th part of the Netherlands. Yee, that's where we pay our taxes for...

@SianaGearz

5 ай бұрын

Shouldn't tax payer association exercise oversight so they don't spend money on things that we know are bad?

Scams like "Solar Roadways" will continue for as long as "other people's money" (be it from web based platforms like "kickstarter" or similar) or government funding for these stupid "trials" continues . Now if only I could get myself funded for a "trial" where I just sit at home eating Ice-cream and Chocolate Biscuits, while watching Netflix.

@modrobert

5 ай бұрын

As long as there are politicians around who only care about initiative instead of results.

Solar cycleways / walkways are a fantastic idea! Wait... Why TF did they put the panels on the ground, when for less cost, they could make shaded cycleways with panels on top that produce more power and have lower maintenance costs?

@SurfinScientist

5 ай бұрын

With sunny weather so rare in the Netherlands, I am not sure you want to cycle in the shade. But they would serve as a nice cover against the rain, provided there is no wind blowing the rain below the panels.

@i.k.8868

5 ай бұрын

You can steal our money, but not the sky above our cycle path!!!

the photos are form near vijfhuizen, here are the cords: 52°22'09.0"N 4°42'08.5"E

Let's take a moment to appreciate how difficult engineering actual road surfaces is. The task is almost impossible given the expectations on value and cost per km.

Seen those glass platforms on popular look outs? See how blurry and opaque they get due to usage...

This has just inspired me to create a new kick starter project. Hamster wheel generator for mobile phone charging. There must be millions of pet hamster owners

This popped up in my news feed about a week ago and I immediately thought "I'm looking forward to hearing Dave talk about it".

ya know what would be nice, is a cover for the cycle path that was solar... It would be nice to not get rained on while cycling

@phillyphakename1255

5 ай бұрын

Shade, too! I live in 100 degree summer land, where cycling is not conducive to life. Some shade would help.

@AWriterWandering

5 ай бұрын

6:38 that’s what Germany is doing. And yeah, it’s way smarter.

@bbbf09

5 ай бұрын

Agreed. Even the solar panels we have at work above the car parks act as a nice rain cover. When you are forced to park far from the main door you can now walk in dry instead on 10mins in rain (it's a big site).

"Peddling towards sustainability" reminds me of the stuff a decade and more ago when they were trying to attach generators to exercise bikes.

@stusue9733

5 ай бұрын

This idea works GREAT, (if you lack basic maths skills lol)

@Kirillissimus

5 ай бұрын

Oddly enough implementing all the stupid ideas will indeed bring us closer to sustainability. It will pollute our environment with a lot of metallic dust along with tiny chips of silicon and glass and plasics, it will waste our energy and all kinds of resources, it will create new risks and expenses for the inhabitants creating more pressure for the healthcare, and it will waste our time and effort for nothing. Basically it will bring us closer to the inevitable crisis of modern society and we will be forced to find a real solution much earlier than it would be needed otherwise. The only problem is that we know from history that every time such an existential crisis emerged before, it always started with chaos and wars and were followed by at least a century long dark age with significant population decline and even some entire countries no matter how great or powerful they were before getting wiped out almost completely and their territories getting near empty waiting for centuries to be repopulated by someone else again. But that is a minor issue of course. Some may even argue that by sacrificing all the billions of people for our next great ambition we will give some purpose and meaning to the otherwise completely worthless souls.

@how2pick4name

4 ай бұрын

That was on Black Mirror. A lot that was on there will become reality, because we let it.

It would be sooooo much cheaper to just build a roof over the sidewalk and put solar panels on the roof. It's all proven technology, too. If you really wanted to get daring, you could store batteries underneath the sidewalk or something.

@justanothercomment416

5 ай бұрын

But that doesn't allow for as much fraud and milk.

@samuraidriver4x4

5 ай бұрын

The powergrid probably can't even handle it as its overloaded nationwide. So less output is probably the smart thing to do.😂😂

@Rob2

5 ай бұрын

The Netherlands and their people like a clean-looking environment. You will immediately notice that when you visit the country and compare it with the visual picture in many other countries. Overhead powerlines: we don't have any. Elevated roadways or railways (2-level highways): not something we generally have. etc etc. I am sure that when the typical test cyclepath which is alongside a road in the open countryside would be covered with a roof, lots of people would be against it. No matter if it covers from rain or provides solar power. That will be seen as a visual nuisance.

@kriss1_

5 ай бұрын

@@Rob2 Yes, they like a clean looking environment so much they put very ugly panels right in their bike path

@Rob2

5 ай бұрын

@@kriss1_ I'm sure lots of people do not like the solar bike paths... but hesitate to argue against something promoted as "saving the environment". However, construction above the bike path is likely a bridge too far.

The reason they've installed in multiple countries will be grants from multiple countries, also wonder if they're getting carbon offfset money

@CarlRhoades

5 ай бұрын

I hadn't thought of that, makes it all make that much more sense!

The thing with the solar roof for the bike path ; at least it provides cover to keep rain off and might encourage more people to use bikes when the weather isnt great.

Riding on smooth solar panels, awesome! I may as well just ride on ice.

@torstenscholz6243

Ай бұрын

That's also a point that's hugely overlooked. Such a smooth, slippery surface really just poses unnecessary danger for anyone who uses them. I highly doubt that these glass panels provide any kind of grip, which asphalt does. Not to mention that they become even way more dangerous when they become wet during rain or even frozen in winter.

I wonder what they will do when it starts freezing... like it does now as we speak ;) I guess they will be either sweeping the snow away with those metal brushes which light up orange due to the heat they generate while brushing the street or they spray salt on it using those relatively heavy snow machines.

@TD-er

5 ай бұрын

@@Okurka. I live in the Netherlands, so I know how they do it and it is already damaging regular bike lanes, let alone solar panel roads

@Valenorious

5 ай бұрын

@@Okurka. Do they even? Sweeping bikepaths from snow is a tertiary priorit it seems.

@babbadge

4 ай бұрын

In the Netherlands, cycle paths will be swept after snow. It happens only a few days per year. And salt is used also, depending on the form of precipitation, on cycle paths from small vehcles. It's quite a high priority, because otherwise half the country can't get to their jobs.

Here's a crazy idea: instead of putting solar panels on bike paths, put the solar panels in a central place where they can easily be maintained and connected to the power grid...

Dave’s really gonna have egg on his face when they figure out this technology in a 1000 years

@AlanTwoRings

5 ай бұрын

Don't have to worry about dirt and damage to the solar road when you have flying cars.

@EndOfLineTech

5 ай бұрын

See I get this is a joke but that’s what these idiots think. There’s no doubt in my mind that with the right funding, and the right amount of time this could be achieved. Nothing is truly impossible. But as an engineer one must be able to ask themselves “is it worth it” and the answer is no. With all the money and time this will take to complete successfully the world would be able to go fully energy independent, with panels on every roof, household, doghouse, and more. All for what? Not much…. Thats the issue. It’s trying to solve a problem before that problem exists.

@LarixusSnydes

5 ай бұрын

"You canna break the Laws of Physics" That's why it will never keep working when you put the panels on the ground.

@SianaGearz

5 ай бұрын

@@LarixusSnydes There is no law of physics that says you can't put solar panels on the ground and have them make some electricity; and there's no law of physics that says you can't protect them. But it's a spectacularly shitty idea because it's insanely less efficient than other opportunities that we haven't come close to exhausting yet. Until every roof, every parking spot and every bus station canopy is covered to the brim with solar, you don't even need to consider converting your paved areas, and we're decades upon decades from that away.

@sachamm

5 ай бұрын

@@SianaGearz This.

Wanna have a laugh? In Italian, more precisely in Rome since it's a local slang, "Sola" literally means "scam" ahahahah

the section in North Holland is not too far from where i live, will check it out at some time in the future. Doing little research it seems to be funded by the province North Holland and designed to be a research project

@Rob2

5 ай бұрын

The problem is that the province is running a research project for a topic that any non-biased engineer can tell them BEFOREHAND is not going to work. But they get their information from companies and institutes that are funded by the money they have in their pockets. No wonder that those bring it as a project where research is needed. While it actually isn't: the answer is already known.

Love your work. Happy new year from Brisbane!

Omg can they just keep solar to roof tops. AAAAAAAAAAAA.

@EEVblog

5 ай бұрын

"Innovation"

@wapted

5 ай бұрын

@Okurka. I did - so it seems you can ;)

@torstenscholz6243

Ай бұрын

@@EEVblog Solar Freakin' Rooftops!

I think the solution in Freiburg, Germany makes sense. The cyclists have a shade and the solar cells last 20 years. It would be even easier to mount the solar cells on roofs. Houses and factories usually have electricity, but streets and bike paths usually don't.

Alright, I have something that would basically destroy any anti-canopy argument; create a canopy that is propped up _only on one side._ Not only would it look hella-futuristic, it would also enable the overhang to have an unabated and safe exit from one side, while the other side - the street side - would have a greater collision area for vehicles _that isn't the bike path and / or riders._

I use studded bike tires in winter these will scratch the heck out them. No winter shots for the path too.

@dalyxia

5 ай бұрын

I dont think those tires are allowed in the netherlands on public roads

The one in North Brabant is the cyclepath next to the N285 road between the towns of Langeweg en Wagenberg around 51°39'38.2"N 4°42'17.5"E

Wouldnt it be preferable to cover biking pathes with some sort of solar "roof" like you know not expose the fragile bits and double a a shade/rain protection. Then again what do I know

@guidologo

5 ай бұрын

Especially over here... we had so much rain these last few months... crazyyyyy

When Steve Jobs produced the Macintosh in1984, sometime around 1984 and 1985 he was often found looking for examples of how people were using them in shops, offices, etc which demonstrated they weren't really sure if people could benefited from them or needed them. Contrast that with solar road ways/bike ways, which nobody is asking for, they've had 10 years to provide some kind of benefit and so ultimately nobody needs or wants them.

@SianaGearz

5 ай бұрын

Macintosh at first was only a niche success, which isn't surprising, the available hardware at first didn't quite rise up to the level of ambition the system had. But it was also only a question of time that processors and memory would catch up, with available semiconductor capacity doubling every 1½ years. People were asking for what was to become the Apple IIGS at the time instead.

Bet you never predicted all these years ago this would be the gift that keeps on giving.

@torstenscholz6243

Ай бұрын

It's really unbelievable that we now have 2024 and still there are people left on earth that believe that solar roads are a good idea that can work in any way, when everything that has actually been done since the idea first started (Btw. Solar Roadways was founded in 2006!) has shown that it cannot.

It would be more practical to mount Solar Panels on the noise barriers along the highways.

@dutchbeef8920

3 ай бұрын

Nah thats too easy, Solar Crash Barriers

I found your channel from Solar freakin' Roadways lol

The first path is actually 1 kilometer from my home. When I noticed they were working on it last september I already was snickering and thinking of you lol

8:40 : That picture with the airplane in the background is geolocated to the "Schipholweg", N232, 52.369202° 4.701825°.

Freiburg seems the way to go, having a bit of shelter for a cycleway/walkway would encourage people to use it, and it generating power? win-win

I saw this a few days ago and was anxiously awaiting for this video.

Actually, it's quite easy to make reliable freaking solar roadways. You just have to use something more hardy than sand and stones as a protective layer. Something like a good layer of artificial diamonds should do the job I guess.

@Kirillissimus

5 ай бұрын

Just some small artificial diamonds will not quite cut it though as you will still have gaps between them to fill and that is where the problem will emerge. But if you make entire panels out of a single huge thick diamond crystal then it will become possible!

@SianaGearz

5 ай бұрын

Fundamentally, we can do something similar, we can grow large single crystals of clear sapphire. Unfortunately they are spectacularly slippery, so you can't drive on them. Walking is a difficulty as well. I heard one of Saudi palaces had synthetic sapphire floors somewhere, got them made by Soviet (Ukrainian, Kharkiv) scientists, cost unspeakable money, had to rip them out.

One thing you can say about the Dutch is they keep trying. Bless their little hearts.

@AWriterWandering

5 ай бұрын

For all the money they’re wasting on this nonsense, they could just pay property owners to put solar panels on their buildings.

@ReinouddeLange

5 ай бұрын

Why do we have little hearts?

@mc1993

5 ай бұрын

@@ReinouddeLange summed up by @AWriterWandering. 'Bless their little hearts' a condescending yet sympathetic saying in the USA when someone continues to attempt something that is a known failure. Think, the complete opposite of flood control expertise.

@teslatrooper

5 ай бұрын

Yeah we have some provincial government folks who are really enthousiastic about this stuff. Problem is those of us who know it won't work are too busy having a life to check all the planning and proposals and file objections etc.

@Brannigan777

5 ай бұрын

@@ReinouddeLange It's an expression / idiom, somewhat condescending, when someone is trying, but failing.

6:40 - im devoted cyclist (fastest way to move around city) and I love what I see here. Maybe shade is more important in Australia, but in our area it protects against majority of rain and snow.

@EndOfLineTech

5 ай бұрын

@@Okurka.what’s a city? Sounds like gay little city people problems

My mother's house is off-grid, 100% solar and the panels are 20 ywes old without significant losd of efficiency. In that time the battery storage has been replaced once, the tracking mount has died, and the gas standby hemerator is waiting for me to repair it. Nut the traditional rooftop panels have been totally reliable.

@i.k.8868

5 ай бұрын

Yes, my mothers PV was installed in 1999 and they still work fine. And they are easy to recycle anyways.

I have never understood the fundamental reason: why? Who on earth even got the idea?

@phillyphakename1255

5 ай бұрын

It feels like simpleton futurism grift. The marketeers came up with an idea they could sell to capitalize on the green future, but never asked the engineers.

2024 is the year of Solar FREAKIN rooftops.

Don't forget that the Netherlands are at 50° North. The loss of efficiency will be 70% on a sunny christmas noon time even if the road is free of snow and salt.

@foobar8894

5 ай бұрын

What happens to these in winter when those cycle paths are salted is going to be interesting, at best that will reduce the efficiency quite a bit.

Look at that lovely canal with water in it off to the side. Wouldn't it be logical to put a little roof over that for solar panels, after all the parking lots and rooftops are covered, with the added benefit of less evaporation?

Even the KZread Bots love Solar freaking Cycleways😂

Dave, you're being mentioned in a Dutch newspaper (Het Parool) article: 'Zonnepad dat energie opwekt flopt keer op keer, toch blijft iedereen er geld in steken'.

Happy new year! i'm sooo excited for you to hit 1million subs! 🥳🎊😎🤙🏼

Why not just put solar panels literally anywhere but ground that's supposed to have people/vehicles on it. Like on a roof maybe?

@torstenscholz6243

Ай бұрын

Solar Freakin Rooftops!

I like the overhead panels, providing some cover from rain, and UV and lights could be provided for nighttime riding. This concept could be required build, for cycle lanes on new roads, new towns, and installation when roads are resurfaced. London UK, has expensive barriers to stop cars using the cycle lanes - meaning the cost for solar is already available!

its worth keeping in the argument that car emissions and im mostly talking about break pad dust would be a top cause for covering these even if its designed for bikes, like where are bike path's ? normally a few meters from a road, so even if this was a walking only path a few meters from a road it would still get filthy , raising them off street level probably helps a fair bit because its a metallic dust but even then being far from a highway would be the best bet ; obviously heavily subsidising them for home use is what most countries have enough sense to do

Crazy, even more crazier this far north. At this latitudes panels in vertical orientation are better than laying flat.

@torstenscholz6243

Ай бұрын

So true. That's what many people also don't get although it's not hard to understand: Solar panels laying flat are only useful in equator regions, where the sun often stands in zenith. In other regions of the world solar panels only provide sufficient energy if they are leaning towards the sun, that's why they are built that way in Europe and North America.

Today on "Cobouw", a paywalled e-journal on building and construction came the message that SolaRoad has been dissolved per 31-12-2023: The province of North Holland now reports that the BV SolaRoad was dissolved just before New Year's Eve. According to deputy Rosan Kocken, it turned out not to be possible to set up a solid business model around the technology. Moreover, the three shareholders had little interest in a new capital injection. "But we remain actively involved in pilot projects that help with the application of solar energy in road surfaces," the deputy assures. This is(was) the firm who constructed the first cycleway at Krommenie

I saw this like a week ago and wondered when you would get to this.

And the company Solaroad went bankrupt last week. One can only get subsidy for cracking and failing roads so many times. They included roads for motor vehicles.

Fans are great! I have several…low power usage, work, easy to replace and can be pointed in any direction.

Looks like they are hoping for a "swamp castle" style, successful, final try.

Actually, I read this week that the investors of solar roadways in the Netherlands pulled out, so I think the concept is finally coming to an end

When will companies learn the actual meaning of "sustainable"?

@Valenorious

5 ай бұрын

'Sustainable' means when cashflow is constant and always points to you. Right?

Just try it greetings from Holland

Holy cow. It would be cheaper to build the same length of covered bike path and have the solar panels above where they could actually work and survive way longer.

Dave has also pointed out in the past that a shadow across a panel can tank the output from a panel. I wonder how many square meters of roof top solar panel could have been installed for the cost of one of these ground based road/cycle ways.

@valkaielod

5 ай бұрын

2x efficiency from the panels, another 2x from the cost, then count in longevity and availability of infrastructure (the electric grid is available at almost each building, with other consumers in the home or nearby). I'd say easily 10x more efficient to do rooftop.

The UK government says "get solar" but they don't like you getting it because it cuts down on the electricity company profits. I'm in the process of putting in 6 panels and an inverter to run things in my house and you need certificates to get any kind of feed in tariff and as I'm self installing I won't get a certificate unless I pay a company to give me one. Hopefully 6 panels will supply about 2/3rds of my electricity and with bills hitting £150-200/month in the UK we need all the help we can get, bloody crazy prices hitting 50p/kwh and many people are facing a choice between heating or food. Then you have 5% VAT (a tax) and you pay over 50p/day just to have a meter, bloody ripoff.......

BAM is one of those large infrastructure companies. When they're involved you can be sure it's at least partially subsidized.

They could be capturing the heat of the pavement and storing it for district heating in the winter months. This has already been done successfully.

The other day my Dutch newspaper reported that the company Solaroad went bankrupt.

One factor about the overhead shaded version is security - they willget nicked in no time in my part of the world, for scrap metal value!

maybe they will add signs later which will say riding a bike forbidden, please use the street for riding

@elvinhaak

5 ай бұрын

Probably soon a sighn will be there stating 'slecht wegdek', 'fietsers afstappen'.

In Germany it is not possible to add an economical solar system to an apartment building.

It seems to me that it might be more cost effective to erect an overhead canopy style solar collector and provide some shade at the same time. Of course it might actually work. 🙂

They'd love to put up a sign showing the output, but it'll half the output.

Why are people so opposed to letting solar panels provide shade?

@Kirillissimus

5 ай бұрын

Because it will create comfortable conditions for people and that will bring actual people there and where there are people there is always mess and mess is unsightly. Rich and important people who make the decisions do not like it. They want to see a beautiful and harmonious picture with a single beautiful bicyle on the whole perfectly clean and spotless new road during a nice shiny day. Everytging needs to look perfect. Adding any real infrastructure will make it look like some kind of a marketplace or a bus stop only some filthy peasants would custom and even a hint of such an idea is already displeasing and all other things being equal it will put your proposal right to the bottom of the stack.

That’s the problem with web sites such as Electrek - they apparently have staff with decent journalistic skill, but not necessarily a technical background. They seem to take entities they write about at their word without questioning. Imagine!, a solar company lying.

51°29'35.3"N 5°18'25.6"E I think there it is There is a 75 x 30 m Industrial building just 50m away with no solar on it That's over 2000m² which they could have build on

@DarkFiber23

5 ай бұрын

I think you found it. Good job!

That German bike path looks awesome! In the summer, it keeps the cyclist cool, and in the winter (when it's constantly raining,) it keep them dry.

They probably do have a chance to produce as much power in 6 months time as when new. Though only because we're right near the winter solstice now and in 6 months it'll be the summer solstice.

The funny bit is, you could make the solar panels the roof instead of the floor and solve like 70% of the problems.

@michaeloxlong

5 ай бұрын

You could even market it as a shaded bike path with protection from rain and snow. 😂

@Name-ot3xw

5 ай бұрын

@@Okurka. I literally did not watch this video about solar roadways. I only paid attention for the first 3 seasons.

I REALLY don't think it's glass over them, Dave 4:28 .It's more likely an epoxy by the looks. Epoxy yellows and and looses transparency in UV. It's a subscription service. Edit: 8:45 Near an airport. Perfect place to put solar panels, because planes are known to not leave con trails (that's only helicopters).

Insider tip for those playing along (investing) at home: not much sun in The Netherlands but, no mater the direction, you always end up having headwind

@Valenorious

5 ай бұрын

Don't peddle so hard then. ;)

@sedsberg77

5 ай бұрын

Then the obvious solution is to put windmills on the bike paths!

Hello in the wattway page where there are photos of their installations, go to the Perpignan, France page and look at the last photo. Normally there is a street lamp shadow on the panel but they faked it by erasing it. If you download the photo and zoom in it you will see the bad copy paste of textures made by photoshop.

You can see the grass on the edge looking at the panels thinking ŴTF is that?. You do know if you tap into the photosynthesis of the lawns next to these paths you can get more energy then from the panels .

it's not just bike tires.. Bike paths in the netherlands need to accomudate emergency sercices like police cars and ambulances. They need to be able to drive and break on these roads.

If these things worked the company that made them will have already installed them all over their manufacturing sites, they make money right?

I think it's funny that this path seems to run alongside a waterway, given the proven benefits of waterway solar roofs (reduced evaporation from the waterway and improved efficiency from evaporative cooling of the solar panels). It may not be as big of a benefit as it would be in, say, Arizona, but it would have some effect in the hotter months.

Fun thingy one thing is the solarhours dont feel we have that many :D mostly grey skies and rain so yeah. If you build them in spain ok you would maybey get some energy.

My startup produces solar powered charging stations for e-bikes. They provide a bike rack, a bench, some shade, public Wi-Fi, CCTV. The panels are at 45 degrees which will deflect hail, are protected from dirt and no snow stick to them. Nothing revolutionary, but a tried and true approach that cost 100 times less. These solar roads a total waste of money, thank you for shaming them!

This was an interesting idea ONCE. Once it was proven to have problems... I don't understand the push-back on doing the 'next best thing' - awnings over the bike paths with solar panels on top. It would help keep the snow off in the netherlands, and provide a simple source of power for LED lights to keep them illuminated when in use.

@i.k.8868

5 ай бұрын

What do you mean? Any engineer would have seen the problems way in advance. The only reason these things get built is either complete incompetence or corruption of politicians and public servants.

Nooooot again... Will this ever end? Someone should start kickstarter for solar strapon.

Would have been even better to just make a giant roof over it.

I'd be interested in what the panel temp is when you mount them in the ground...

@stusue9733

5 ай бұрын

@@Okurka. You're sure about that or did you just guess?

How much would it cost instead of having it as a covering to a bike trail in comparison? Update: just hit that part of the video

Wonder if there's any issue with having them by the side of the path at some angle, as that does seem to be the "path of least resistance" to the whole debacle...

@chrisnoname2725

5 ай бұрын

Then you're taking up land. I think the point is to not take any extra space. You then have to mow or poison the grass around them. More chance of shadows. Possibly easier for people to steal copper wires from them. Most paths seem to have some space around them so i suppose it would be like a long skinny solar farm. But i think people also need to have nice place to go without everything being industrialised. At least the roof over tge path has advantages for riders and makes riding a more attractive option