Edie Sedgwick and Andy Warhol

In the span of less than 1 year, Edie Sedgwick inspired Andy Warhol to make almost 20 films. She would remain one of the most recognizable Warhol Superstars, decades later.
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  • @bluebellbeatnik4945
    @bluebellbeatnik4945 Жыл бұрын

    why do i feel andy was jealous of these women and also of straight men who get to discard women? he certainly treated women like they were disposable.

  • @trevormichael4906

    @trevormichael4906

    5 ай бұрын

    You know. I’ve noticed many gay men have this behavior. I’ve even caught it in myself, and of course corrected. It’s not on purpose however. I’m sure it’s some deeper comment on society as a whole but there you have it.

  • @rosannacellini2158
    @rosannacellini2158 Жыл бұрын

    Worhol was a narcissist and only would use people, that can make himself shine and then, throw them away. He is partly to blame for her downfall, but she was always self destructive, due to her unhappy childhood. Her parents were unbalanced, her father another narcissist creep. Sad very sad. Three Sedgwick siblings died young, by their own destruction.

  • @RetroRoomYT

    @RetroRoomYT

    Жыл бұрын

    He seem only interested in people, from the perspective of how interesting they were, he didn’t really seem to have any empathy for his “Superstar’s “ when they needed help

  • @katdujka4760
    @katdujka4760 Жыл бұрын

    I think she was absolutely beautiful, although it’s tragic. She will always hold a special place in my heart.

  • @raydavison4288
    @raydavison4288 Жыл бұрын

    I would put most of the blame for Edie's tragic life on her father, considering that Edie's two older brothers killed themselves prior to Edie's demise.

  • @kristinmeyer489

    @kristinmeyer489

    Жыл бұрын

    Not all. The family built a poor foundation. Warhol and others saw this and exploited it. She was in her early twenties and still imo very much a child, considering how sheltered she had been out on that large ranch before moving to the east coast. It seems like she was let loose because of her legal age, but others saw that she had not really been prepared for the world. Her beauty gave her positive attention, but borh her money and beauty brought her a lot vultures who used her and exploited her vulnerabilities and inexperience. In today's world, she wouldn't have had to beg for a career in modeling or even in independent films.

  • @raydavison4288

    @raydavison4288

    Жыл бұрын

    @@kristinmeyer489: Thank you for that insight. Very well said!

  • @u-neekusername4430
    @u-neekusername4430 Жыл бұрын

    Andy Warhol was definitely a contributing factor. He knew she was broken & he used that to get what he wanted from her. He would also have known susceptible she'd be to destruction with drug use & what his rejection would to do her, & he just didn't care. So no, not "all his fault", but intentionally damaging a vulnerable, damaged person for your own selfish desires/satisfaction incurs some culpability. Her father broke her & Warhol stomped on the pieces. She didn't have much hope (psychologically) of having a stable life before Warhol, but I believe she would've made it much longer w/o him. Sadly people do this to each other all the time & those who do it sleep fine. At least mental health is better now, all that shock therapy didn't help her either.

  • @globallove

    @globallove

    9 ай бұрын

    seems like Dylan is more at fault

  • @terryslaughter1409
    @terryslaughter1409 Жыл бұрын

    Love the video. Did you know that Nelson's former home in New York was turned into an art gallery? ActionKid on KZread did a walk through in 2019. The 3rd floor is of him. Thanks to you I found out about Nelson🤗

  • @RetroRoomYT

    @RetroRoomYT

    Жыл бұрын

    Thanks Terry Slaughter 🙏 I knew it was a gallery but I didn’t know that Nelson was in it! That’s awesome 🤩 Thank you for the heads up!

  • @MazdaIsphahan
    @MazdaIsphahan Жыл бұрын

    Have you seen an animated short film about Edie: ”Too Late”? It was made for the 50th anniversary of her death and Robert Margouleff, a co-producer of ”Ciao! Manhattan” produced a soundtrack for this film!

  • @RetroRoomYT

    @RetroRoomYT

    Жыл бұрын

    I have not seen it! I will have to check it out Thanks 🙏 for the tip Mazda Isphahan

  • @NatBKiev
    @NatBKiev Жыл бұрын

    He clearly didn't want to make friends. At the end, he's 36 yo man. She's a 20 yo girl. What could they have in common? I think it was only business relationship for him. For some reason Edith wanted more

  • @RetroRoomYT

    @RetroRoomYT

    Жыл бұрын

    This is a very valid point you are making. Thanks 🙏

  • @NatBKiev

    @NatBKiev

    Жыл бұрын

    @@RetroRoomYT thank you 😊

  • @mtaylor7307

    @mtaylor7307

    Жыл бұрын

    Gross. I grew up in that era and never realized the age gap. Thanks for the perspective.

  • @NatBKiev

    @NatBKiev

    Жыл бұрын

    @@mtaylor7307 I also realised it lately, I’m a photographer. When I was a beginner I often befriended my models. But it was when I was 22-25. Now I am 37 and I have nothing in common with those girls. So this is my personal perspective

  • @trisht3068
    @trisht3068 Жыл бұрын

    Thanks for the great video! Andy used Edie and I am sorry that she died at such a young age. I don't blame Andy for Edie's demise, but he was callous and selfish. Edie RIP! 🌸🌸🌸

  • @RetroRoomYT

    @RetroRoomYT

    Жыл бұрын

    You are welcome 🙏 Trish T and I agree with your comment

  • @ejtattersall156

    @ejtattersall156

    Жыл бұрын

    Never was a woman without a man to blame. Women put themselves into the hands of men because it is a shortcut up the ladder, and if anything goes wrong, it's never her fault. She used him for his fame just as much as he used her. That would be obvious to everyone if he had a vagina.

  • @mritzs5142
    @mritzs5142 Жыл бұрын

    In Factory Girl it was written into the script that Dylan loved her and wanted her to leave the Warhol life and she couldn't tear herself away, but now having learned he was secretly married , it adds to her tragic story. No I do not feel Warhol was responsible for her death, But he was a cruel person, he hated himself on a inner child level but he was a supreme narcissistic, he knew how to find the weakness in those he preyed on .. I loved your presentation, and I am going to subscribe! Thank you

  • @RetroRoomYT

    @RetroRoomYT

    Жыл бұрын

    Thank You so much!

  • @bluebellbeatnik4945

    @bluebellbeatnik4945

    Жыл бұрын

    sorry but warhol contributed to her death.

  • @brandycat8513

    @brandycat8513

    3 ай бұрын

    Lou Reed got out in time. He noticed how Andy " went through people" and " that wasn't gonna happen to me" .

  • @jodavis650
    @jodavis650 Жыл бұрын

    Andy Warhol used people and threw them away like garbage he as a narcissist was very good at spotting empathetic and hurt people and he used them..and I always thought his art sucked..I never understood why he was so popular and Dylan didnt help either..all she kept doing was replacing her narcissist father over and over again..

  • @nivek67cars
    @nivek67cars Жыл бұрын

    Great video. And the production quality has gone up dramatically. Very impressed. Please keep them coming!

  • @RetroRoomYT

    @RetroRoomYT

    Жыл бұрын

    Wow! I really appreciate that Kevin Howard! Thank you 🙏 😊

  • @marigold7250
    @marigold7250 Жыл бұрын

    Eddie was fascinating to look at, kind of reminds me of Audrey Hepburn. I'm not sure if Warhol made her look ridiculous sometimes I think the sixties were just ridiculous on it's own everyone was trying to be so deep and using drugs to find themselves jmo. Love the way your channels going you are a great storyteller. You could let Retro kitty and your other adorable pets do some cameos 😀❤💙❤💙❤

  • @RetroRoomYT

    @RetroRoomYT

    Жыл бұрын

    Thank you 🙏 Marigold I definitely appreciate your comment ♥️ I’m sure Retro Kitty and friends would love 💕 to make more cameos

  • @megshafer

    @megshafer

    Жыл бұрын

    Audrey Hepburn is a classic beauty. "Breakfast at Tiffany's".

  • @ThisEvilBunny
    @ThisEvilBunny Жыл бұрын

    Bob Dylan auditioned at the factory and got married behind Edie's back, I think that speaks to true betrayal, honestly.

  • @amb4855

    @amb4855

    9 ай бұрын

    Precisely. Nothing but snakes around her who posed as friends and lovers.

  • @JonClowdy
    @JonClowdy Жыл бұрын

    thanks for the new videos, love retro room!

  • @RetroRoomYT

    @RetroRoomYT

    Жыл бұрын

    You are welcome 🙏 Jon Clowdus 😊

  • @MsRyland511
    @MsRyland511 Жыл бұрын

    I love the content in the new season!! I think Edie had her demons and they would've shown whether or not Andy had been a part of her life. I have always felt her story was really sad, especially with her family. Great episode!!!

  • @RetroRoomYT

    @RetroRoomYT

    Жыл бұрын

    Thank you 🙏 MsRyland511 🥰 I appreciate that. I found it sad too. It’s really surprising how quickly she deteriorated, in such a short period of time

  • @Usernameusername206
    @Usernameusername206 Жыл бұрын

    Great video! I've never seen a movie Edie did, but she was a fashion icon. I believe Warhol used her, and threw her away. I wonder how her life would have been had she never met him.

  • @RetroRoomYT

    @RetroRoomYT

    Жыл бұрын

    Thanks Username 🙏 I wonder that too!

  • @cecemax2604
    @cecemax2604 Жыл бұрын

    Loving the new look! Great video. Much appreciated ….🙌🏼

  • @RetroRoomYT

    @RetroRoomYT

    Жыл бұрын

    Thank you 🙏 Cece Max! I appreciate you ☝️😊

  • @bluebellbeatnik4945
    @bluebellbeatnik4945 Жыл бұрын

    'poor little rich girl' just sounds like a patronising, misogynistic title.

  • @mtaylor7307

    @mtaylor7307

    Жыл бұрын

    Very 60s. As women's lib was on the rise, the sexual objectification of females that looked like girls began.

  • @psychospacecadet
    @psychospacecadet Жыл бұрын

    Always enjoy these tidbits and love the refreshed look! I guess she died young and will always be in the land of "what if?" Warhol used her for what she had and probably her decline was just another art study.

  • @RetroRoomYT

    @RetroRoomYT

    Жыл бұрын

    Thank you psychospacecadet :)

  • @marsh443
    @marsh443 Жыл бұрын

    Gr8 vid, tkx! Neither Warhol nor Dylan were responsible for Edie' downfall. While incredibly beautiful, Edie was a lost soul who sooner or later would succumb to her own excessive lifestyle. Ciao Edie, RIP.

  • @RetroRoomYT

    @RetroRoomYT

    Жыл бұрын

    Thanks!

  • @tracitownsend8268
    @tracitownsend8268 Жыл бұрын

    Thank you for the upload 😄

  • @RetroRoomYT

    @RetroRoomYT

    Жыл бұрын

    No problem 😊

  • @aaronsartore6988
    @aaronsartore6988 Жыл бұрын

    Andy has always been a mysterious character amongst all the people in which you have covered, but comes off very creepy too. That's just my opinion. Love the video

  • @RetroRoomYT

    @RetroRoomYT

    Жыл бұрын

    Thanks 🙏 Aaron Sartore

  • @ImJustKaren_
    @ImJustKaren_ Жыл бұрын

    Love that you're back!! If Andy honestly cared for her, he would have done everything in his power to save her from herself. But, even then, Andy was kinda warped .

  • @RetroRoomYT

    @RetroRoomYT

    Жыл бұрын

    Thank you 🙏 I’m Just Karen! Appreciate it 😊

  • @mjreikiriot3302
    @mjreikiriot3302 Жыл бұрын

    Such smooth transitions...the channel looks great 👍

  • @RetroRoomYT

    @RetroRoomYT

    Жыл бұрын

    Thank you so much 😀 MJ Reikiriot

  • @headgroundsman1650
    @headgroundsman1650 Жыл бұрын

    Really enjoyed this. Great job!

  • @RetroRoomYT

    @RetroRoomYT

    Жыл бұрын

    Thank you HEAD GROUNDSMAN 🙏

  • @susanc.3771
    @susanc.3771 Жыл бұрын

    I'm glad your video showed up in my recommendations. I really dig this kind of content! I am now subscribed to your channel.

  • @RetroRoomYT

    @RetroRoomYT

    Жыл бұрын

    Wow 🤩 thanks 🙏 Susan C And Thank you for subscribing ❤️

  • @Theworldisyouroyster156

    @Theworldisyouroyster156

    Жыл бұрын

    Me too. I’m 65 now and I just love this old stuff. Anything from the 60’s and 70’s is like going back in time for me. Those were such amazing times to be alive. I was a teenager in the 70’s. Sex, drugs, and rock n roll. We did it all back then. I could write a great book about it but I’m just glad I survived it all.

  • @brandycat8513
    @brandycat85134 ай бұрын

    Just think, the whole world revolves around the shapes of peoples' skulls. Sums up the profound depth of mankind.

  • @Donnafrmviolet
    @Donnafrmviolet Жыл бұрын

    Enjoying the new content!

  • @RetroRoomYT

    @RetroRoomYT

    Жыл бұрын

    Thank you Donna Spicuzza 🙏

  • @brandycat8513
    @brandycat85132 ай бұрын

    " Brilliance, talent " Like, where? lol Warhol was " the most stupid person I've ever met " Why? " because he had nothing to say " - esteemed worldwide art critic Robert Hughes

  • @kengeorgejones6855
    @kengeorgejones6855 Жыл бұрын

    I'm enjoying your return, and if I had any feedback it might be that I'd be interested in more videos on those who made or appeared in lesser known cult and B-C-D movie or cheapie films of this era, those tied to New York anyway. It was such a fascinating period. Men and women who by day would toil in acclaimed drama and acting schools, waiting for their big break, then by night perform in the cheapest junkers in order to keep food on the table. That whole era has so much to mine. You do a great job summarizing - I've always found the Warhol crowd simultaneously overexposed and covered in a shallow way, so these are good little info nuggets. As for Edie, I think you can blame narcissists like Dylan and Warhol, but, sad to say, she was also likely heading towards her fate no matter what. So many young men and women succumb to loneliness, insecurity, and finally, drugs - they just aren't part of the Warhol mystique, so their stories are never told. Still, she's left a true legacy.

  • @RetroRoomYT

    @RetroRoomYT

    Жыл бұрын

    Thank you 🙏 Ken George Jones That’s a very interesting idea 💡 I will have to look 👀 into that. Let me know if you know of any resources that might be helpful 😊

  • @kengeorgejones6855

    @kengeorgejones6855

    Жыл бұрын

    @@RetroRoomYT There's the Rialto Report (although that is an adult film blog/podcast, just to warn, definitely NSFW). The story they had on Dolly Sharp/Helen Wood reminded me of something I could have seen your channel doing, with the twists and turns of her life. Others of that period like Jamie Gillis, Eric Edwards, Tina Russell, Linda Lovelace, Kathie Hilton, etc. and probably a lot more I don't know about. Very dramatic. Beyond that, if you'd rather not do videos on that type of subject, now that I think of it, the early years of the SNL cast are pretty fascinating. Some of that has been covered to death, but other stories, like Yvonne Hudson (the first black female cast member of SNL, an extra for several years before and after that point, supposedly an NBC employee before being cast as she was already there and easy to hire, disappeared after about 1983 or 1984), would also be fascinating. Oh, and Andy Warhol also appeared on SNL several times in 1981 for some weird films and some very unique writers of that period (like Nelson Lyon and Terry Southern) were also briefly involved, which would be interesting material, along with Michael O'Donoghue's tumultuous involvement for half the season. Dennis Perrin wrote about some of that.

  • @Theworldisyouroyster156
    @Theworldisyouroyster156 Жыл бұрын

    Candy Darling is another great one from that time period. There’s a doc of her here, I just found her so beautiful and fascinating. RIP❤️

  • @Anjellike1
    @Anjellike1 Жыл бұрын

    I’ve always wondered what are your thoughts and analysis of the 1980s NY Ballroom scene circuit? Had you been to any of the balls? Have you met any of the mothers before their passings? “Paris is Burning” introduced me to that world and there are so many thoughts I have on those wonderful people! Have you thought about making a video of opinions talking about the documentary and the people in it?🤩

  • @RetroRoomYT

    @RetroRoomYT

    Жыл бұрын

    This is something I have been thinking about Anjellike. I have been getting a few questions about this topic. Maybe 🤔 we will have to start talking about it 😊💡

  • @joecampos5624
    @joecampos5624 Жыл бұрын

    Its so sad she met up with him...she was a real star

  • @melodyofpsalm9468
    @melodyofpsalm9468 Жыл бұрын

    Warhol was a cold-hearted aSShole! Yes, I think he has a lot to do with Edies ' untimely demise, and yes, I did enjoy this video. Thanks for sharing !

  • @RetroRoomYT

    @RetroRoomYT

    Жыл бұрын

    Thanks 🙏 @melodyofpsalm8468 glad you enjoyed it!

  • @theworldofjuniperthecat1307
    @theworldofjuniperthecat1307 Жыл бұрын

    Eddie ran out of $$$ and then goodbye , Eddie.

  • @RetroRoomYT

    @RetroRoomYT

    Жыл бұрын

    Very sad

  • @DeleriousOdyssey
    @DeleriousOdyssey Жыл бұрын

    Great video

  • @RetroRoomYT

    @RetroRoomYT

    11 ай бұрын

    Glad you enjoyed it

  • @angelmorrigan7680
    @angelmorrigan7680 Жыл бұрын

    one of my favorite videos of yours!!! thankyou for the great content! i love edie sedgewick and i do feel that warhol was responsible for her to some extent. there were so many people around him who died from the drugs he got them hooked on and he didnt seem to care! ive heard his "suicide statement about edie" from many sources and it is just appalling the lack of care for someone who was his best friend for around a year and obviously needed his help. great video! are those your pets at the end of the vid? so cute!!! 🖤💔🖤

  • @RetroRoomYT

    @RetroRoomYT

    Жыл бұрын

    Thank you Angel 🙏 Yeah, Warhol seemed kinda cold about the whole thing Those are my pets. Retro kitty has siblings ❤️

  • @andyg.9406
    @andyg.9406 Жыл бұрын

    Facinating, I really liked listening to this about Edie. 👍

  • @RetroRoomYT

    @RetroRoomYT

    Жыл бұрын

    Thanks for listening, glad you liked it!

  • @Theworldisyouroyster156
    @Theworldisyouroyster156 Жыл бұрын

    Excellent video really enjoyed it. She was heartbreakingly beautiful but sadly so damaged inside.

  • @RetroRoomYT

    @RetroRoomYT

    Жыл бұрын

    thank you, glad you enjoyed it!

  • @mandiurlacher8941
    @mandiurlacher8941 Жыл бұрын

    I absolutely love Edie . Icon

  • @RetroRoomYT

    @RetroRoomYT

    Жыл бұрын

    She is 👍 an Icon for sure

  • @gerchop9304
    @gerchop9304 Жыл бұрын

    Love your channel. Also I'm in Los Angeles, it's September 5 2022 and I'm very very hot. I have no ac and I'm dying. Please send help. Thank you

  • @RetroRoomYT

    @RetroRoomYT

    Жыл бұрын

    Thanks Gerchop You NEED AC!

  • @jlovebirch
    @jlovebirch Жыл бұрын

    Edie was an incredibly damaged, self-destructive adult from a wealthy family. Warhol exploited people in his circle but was not responsible for her tragic decline.

  • @bluebellbeatnik4945
    @bluebellbeatnik4945 Жыл бұрын

    wait what about john cale??

  • @OroborusFMA
    @OroborusFMA6 ай бұрын

    Her narrative arc is the very definition of tragic. Sad.

  • @couch_nap
    @couch_nap3 ай бұрын

    Fantastic!

  • @delsongalasinao706
    @delsongalasinao706Ай бұрын

    Honestly twiggy and Edie Sedgwick looks are similar to each other.at first glance you may think they are twins.

  • @milolavander3563
    @milolavander3563Ай бұрын

    6:20 sounds like a fanfic

  • @cocoaorange1
    @cocoaorange1 Жыл бұрын

    Edie never signed a contract, or sued Warhol? How many movies did she make, before she realized she was not getting paid?

  • @RetroRoomYT

    @RetroRoomYT

    Жыл бұрын

    I believe they made almost 20 films togther

  • @angelinamoody989
    @angelinamoody989Ай бұрын

    Omg how naive we were!

  • @kimjones1292
    @kimjones12924 ай бұрын

    She didn't sit on a chair. She sat on a trunk.

  • @couch_nap

    @couch_nap

    3 ай бұрын

    Tomato tamoto

  • @jetsofaqua2206
    @jetsofaqua2206 Жыл бұрын

    4:16 Donyale lunaaa

  • @jakecat87
    @jakecat877 ай бұрын

    You can see how much Lou Reed copied Andy in the way he presented himself in interviews

  • @bluebellbeatnik4945
    @bluebellbeatnik4945 Жыл бұрын

    hate warhol. treated women SO BADLY especially Valerie Solanas who he treated like sh so she shot him (yay Valerie). love the aesthetics of this video.

  • @Talentedtadpole
    @TalentedtadpoleАй бұрын

    Dylan used her in the most brutal and heartless way.

  • @elinatuulikki
    @elinatuulikki8 ай бұрын

    Why is the word "suicide" beeped?And drug use.???

  • @couch_nap

    @couch_nap

    3 ай бұрын

    I think u get flagged as a creator if you say it and it wont make any revenue

  • @petejones879
    @petejones8793 ай бұрын

    So Andy never paid her for any of the films she did for him?

  • @kristinmeyer489
    @kristinmeyer489 Жыл бұрын

    Imo she was used by everyone.

  • @headron66
    @headron668 ай бұрын

    She just happened to bump into Andy and Bob and they sucked her dry! I hope she’s at peace now, rest easy Edie🖤

  • @rebeccahoughton3659
    @rebeccahoughton36596 ай бұрын

    These men used her up. Shameful! 10:01

  • @jackieholmes8098
    @jackieholmes809810 ай бұрын

    Warhol was a creep‼️🤬

  • @John-ys2pn
    @John-ys2pn4 ай бұрын

    Edie,, spent 80,000 dollars in six months at the Factory..an inheritance from an aunt...For this her family cut her off... She ended up on the street broke, no where to live... addicted to Heroin.... next stop mental hospital for three years..

  • @couch_nap

    @couch_nap

    3 ай бұрын

    Wow!!

  • @lesleybrown1583
    @lesleybrown15833 ай бұрын

    eddie was a bloke

  • @bluebellbeatnik4945
    @bluebellbeatnik4945 Жыл бұрын

    how come you call him 'war-hall' and not 'war-hole'?

  • @jakeW1955
    @jakeW1955 Жыл бұрын

    Edie was messed up long before Warhol. Her drug abuse started at a young age. She was disconnected from the Warhol world for several years before her overdose so any implication that Warhol was to blame is ridiculous.

  • @bluebellbeatnik4945
    @bluebellbeatnik4945 Жыл бұрын

    she's very cute but very normal compared to nico who isn't accessible/is more otherworldly.

  • @mtaylor7307

    @mtaylor7307

    Жыл бұрын

    Nico, 1988, is her last self documentary. Nico decoded.

  • @ronp5615
    @ronp5615Ай бұрын

    What a waste. In other news, I met Andy Warhol at a really chic party.

  • @angelinamoody989
    @angelinamoody989Ай бұрын

    SHE…. and…eenglish?

  • @jeffkaufman9875
    @jeffkaufman9875Ай бұрын

    Andy was a creep!..

  • @linferguson8702
    @linferguson870211 күн бұрын

    Sleep well Edie you were surrounded by b4st4rds😢😢😢

  • @BillDunlop-or2sk
    @BillDunlop-or2skАй бұрын

    Andy Warhol was responsible for numerous nightmares....I admired his artistic instinct but he was a manipulator and sadist at heart. NOT LIKE HIS MORE TALENTED COLLEAGUE JOHN WATERS.

  • @jonp3890
    @jonp3890 Жыл бұрын

    You did a damn fine job messing your daughter up, Minty.

  • @kimhayes3828

    @kimhayes3828

    Жыл бұрын

    Minty was Edie's brother who committed suicide. Dad was Frances, aka "Fuzzy"

  • @tonyacalvert3197
    @tonyacalvert3197 Жыл бұрын

    I think Edie was a transgender

  • @couch_nap

    @couch_nap

    3 ай бұрын

    Yes and the Earth is flat!

  • @tonyacalvert3197

    @tonyacalvert3197

    3 ай бұрын

    @@couch_nap the earth is flat I agree, but what does flat earth have to do with Eddie being a transgender?