00:54 - You can always spot drivers and firemen, they 'roll' with the motion of the footplate. Like sailors and seamen, they keep rolling until used to dry solid ground.

Hey Liz - welcome to the TR - looking forward to working with you in the next year. I think that we might have fun...

@missiontent111

Жыл бұрын

Let's be brutally honest immediately. If Liz does her job ..... the Tallylyn will close. It's as simple as that.

I truly hope this becomes a long term solution! Not just for British railways; but railways all over the world. Too lose such beautiful and important pieces of historical significance; would be a terrible loss.

@steamgent4592

2 жыл бұрын

No worries in the States we will have coal forever. The government EVER tries to ban King Coal entirely it's time to ban those government officials entirely............big industry is one thing; heritage and personal use is another, they have no right to say anything about personal use.

@gs425

2 жыл бұрын

@@steamgent4592 coal hasn't been banned in the UK either . But working coal mines are thin on the ground.

@steamgent4592

2 жыл бұрын

@@gs425 mining has certainly been banned in certain areas. Mines forced to close due to mining permits not being extended. NCB supposedly closed its last mine. So yeah you may be allowed to burn it (for certain things for now) but mining it is turning out to be another matter. Not to mention public use for home heating etc supposedly was done away with. Except my car everything at my home burns coal. My house, fireplaces, Traction engines, and my outdoor trains. So my Fred Dibnah sorta lifestyle wouldn't be going so well in the UK and I doubt the Traction & live steam community will survive much longer with coal becoming so readily unavailable. Steam needs good soft coal not anthracite to be fun and operate properly and with ease.

@gs425

2 жыл бұрын

@@steamgent4592 I realise you are over the pond but the NCB actually ended in 1987. And yes plenty still burn coal in homes, especially in the country. Like me. However what we call "smokeless" like phurnacite etc and the better coals like anthracite havent been banned, just the cheap smoky shite. That said, I have always preferred smokeless fuel anyway, it may seem more expensive upfront but leaves far less waste and rarely needs chimney cleaning, and works out better value overall. However reducing the carbon emissions into the air is a good thing overall, but as the guy said the amount caused by our preserved locos is minimal compared with industrial scale burning like in power stations.

@steamgent4592

2 жыл бұрын

@@gs425 I prefer the cheap smoky shit smells better (also no headaches from the smoke) much easier to fire takes literally almost no skill or as I call them the go rocks. I would never fire a boiler on anything else with hard coal. Makes things to complicated. Welsh is lower Sulphur I've fired using that a chap I knew used to import it. His GWR King fired fairly easy on it and pulled 30 people with ease up the 1 -2% gradient. However one yr he insisted on using anthracite and it was a bad yr indeed for running. She couldn't maintain steam. The smoky shit has a higher BTU per hr and why we use it in Industry and Power generation. With the chimney scrubbers it puts out less Carbon Monoxide than natural gas and sadly no smoke like I was fortunate enough to still see the last of from industry as a kid in the 80s. Now you only get it from steam locos and traction engines.

Anthracite, olive husks, and molasses. Hope that works out. That'd be sweet! I'll just see myself out.

@unconfusedother4164

2 жыл бұрын

Don't forget the fossil fuelled transport to bring in the raw product and the big fossil fuel powered hydraulic press to make the 'green' fossil fuel. I'm thinking there are some fossil brains behind it all.🪙💰

@barrycarlisle4511

2 жыл бұрын

Lol..

@barrycarlisle4511

2 жыл бұрын

Lol..

@jermca

2 жыл бұрын

@@unconfusedother4164 🤨

@highdownmartin

2 жыл бұрын

Every pregnant womans ideal midnight snack!

Cheers to you guys at Talyllyn - You are the grandpa of preservation. Respect

Thanks for a fantastic tour 🤩

Top notch work lads and ladies. :)

I hope the trials went well

I can’t wait for the new engine to be named and get it’s own video about it.

Eco Coal, a good substitute. Steam engines can't run without it. Let's hope every preserved railway gets a good share, including the Llangollen Railway.😂🙃

@unconfusedother4164

2 жыл бұрын

I think you and I might be on the same page.

I’m very excited to see this finally take effect. It would be really cool to see mainline steam on rail tours and such burning this stuff.

@unconfusedother4164

2 жыл бұрын

Why ?

@unconfusedother4164

2 жыл бұрын

@Bend Over - I agree with you. 60% anyway.

E-Coal is brilliant.

The best of luck to all of y'all in this coal experiment necessity is the mother of all invention and I have to say about the engineering part I kind of chuckled when he said it was sunny the first and only time I visited Wales it was raining the entire time which a local told me that that's normal so it's funny that it was actually Sunshine for once

I am glad the E coal is working out for the narrow gauge loco's and road steam. I just wonder how it is working out for the Keighley Worth Valley Railway with their standard gauge loco E coal tests? One good question is does it remain water resistant like coal if left exposed in wet weather as a lot of the larger standard gauge loco's have exposed coal bunkers and tenders?

Sounds like the heritage industry as a group should just buy its own mine and feed everyone that needs it. Standard gauge, Narrow gauge, traction, stationary, and live steam hobby will all still need a supply of good steam coal so there is a market for a good bituminous steam coal.

@unconfusedother4164

2 жыл бұрын

Agreed, we've a moral duty to mine our coal locally - Semi-bituminous Welsh is arguably the best steam coal in the world.

@PaulfromChicago

2 жыл бұрын

@@unconfusedother4164 No argument about that.

@Aeonterbor

2 жыл бұрын

@@unconfusedother4164 Unfortunately they tried that before and their planning application got rejected.

@steamgent4592

2 жыл бұрын

@@unconfusedother4164 well somewhere with local steam coal. Cheap & easy to mine is always important as well.

@unconfusedother4164

2 жыл бұрын

@@steamgent4592 👍

Some of the rail laid in early preservation came from the Crich Mineral Railway.

A Battery engine!! That’s amazing!! It would be number 15 right? Or would it not be numbered, like the Trolley? I’m very interested in seeing how it turns out, because battery locomotives are a good idea, and you don’t see them around too often.

@BelcarrigFarm

2 жыл бұрын

I think number 13

The current problem at Foss-y-Fran seems to be that a chain has come off somewhere. We should get it fixed.

Chris, how does the ballast drain? Looks like everything drains into the ballast not away from the sleepers and rails. Wish I could volunteer looks like you have a fun place to work. So much going on there. You must have dedicated volunteers and staff.

Has the TR put a membrane under the ballast?

Everyone panicking about coal, while us battery loco fans know our day is coming

@unconfusedother4164

2 жыл бұрын

Maybe you can burn ecoal to generate your electricity👍

Hallo, why is at the boiler from the blue lokomotiv, this dark blue - withe- red point sing on it? Thank you for answer, Rudi

@TalyllynRailway1865

2 жыл бұрын

That is the logo of the RAF - the Royal Air Force - the blue locomotive, known as Douglas, used to work for the RAF. Douglas was built in 1918 and the RAF was formed in 1918 - so to celebrate the RAFs 100th Anniversary and the Locomotive's 100th year in service, the locomotive was painted in RAF Blue with the logo on the side!

I wonder what the ratio is between carbon emissions on heritage lines, pumping stations and traction engine rallies and the carbon/cO2 emissions of al the cars that travel to ride behind and view steam? I’d put my money on the latter being very considerably more.

@unconfusedother4164

2 жыл бұрын

Nice one.

10k subscribers!

Sweet..........

As an engineer im sure theres ways of converting these steam to electric based still using high pressure steam and chuff chuffs but use a grid supply to poweer the loco over time and a thermal mass used as a heat battery to maintain steam over the run, electric heating sodium salt into a liquid in the boiler for example.

@RJSRdg

2 жыл бұрын

Switzerland did that - had a loco with a pantograph on the roof and a heating element in the firebox!

@johnkeepin7527

2 жыл бұрын

The other option, which some heritage railways have a lot of experience of (e.g. The Ffestiniog, or the Brecon Mountain) is oil firing. Where the fuel oil comes from is another problem - but some of it could become at least as “renewable” cf eco-coal, or more so, such as hydrogenated vegetable oil (HVO).

I could see the new PRR T1 being fed something like this when it's first run

@smhorse

2 жыл бұрын

That behemoth would probably consume about a third of the annual world supply by itself!

Nice video, but it would be good to have some more information about the new EcoCoal. I wonder what is its energy content versus anthracite (@ ca. 30 MJ/kg). Does it generate much tar or soot? Where is it made, and who is the manufacturer?

@unconfusedother4164

2 жыл бұрын

I like your questions. You are on the right track, I think🙂 My next best bet after 'Steam Coal' is a briquette - Oxbow Red - Which is 60% Petroleum Coke, 30% anthracite (allegedly), and the rest binders and what-not. Really nasty stuff by comparison when you start digging. I'm about to try some Welsh Anthracite (Black Diamond from Aberpergwym) which at 90% Carbon is at the top end of the 'Dry Steam Coal' bracket. The stuff from Foss-y-Fran was 88% Carbon, I think, and towards the bottom end. Further towards what used to be called 'Bunker' coal. So from Higher Volatile 'Steam Coals up'; 'Bunker Coal' - 'Steam Coal' - (Foss-y-Fran) - 'Dry Steam' - (Black Diamond) - Anthracite - And so on to harder coals which are generally not good for 'steam raising' but excellent for steel making. There is an inherent problem with manufactured coals, as the man says, with firebed stability. They tend to crumble and vanish through the grate under the weight of the fresh charge. Sulphur is a consideration - Sulphuric acid eats boilers. Anecdotal story - Once had so much condensation on the lower tube plate when I lit the fire that I thought I had leaking tubes. I had the bright idea to collect some on my finger-tip and taste it. That was informative. So now I use charcoal to light my fire, not wood.

@cdl0

2 жыл бұрын

@@unconfusedother4164 Interesting. Beware with Oxbow Red: this may contain insufficient ash to protect the grate, so it might be worth mixing it with some natural coal. Please correct me if I am wrong, but I believe all coal sold in the UK must be low sulphur by law.

That was interesting, SVR make boilers? I was surprised when they built Tornado that they had to get a German company to build the boiler for that .

@zacm.2342

2 жыл бұрын

A boiler the size of Dolgoch's is a much easier project than one the size of Tornado's

@unconfusedother4164

2 жыл бұрын

@@zacm.2342 - Yep, I was impressed. A proper riveted boiler. Only thing to have made me smile in ages.

@buffplums

2 жыл бұрын

@@zacm.2342 yeah makes sense … I believe the German made boiler for tornado was a more modern design using welds instead of riveting ? Shame though we don’t have the facility but nice to know that SVR can do boilers albeit on a smaller scale

@RJSRdg

2 жыл бұрын

@@buffplums I think Germany was chosen for Tornado's boiler because Germany had still been using steam until the Berlin Wall fell, so they had more up-to-date experience.

@buffplums

2 жыл бұрын

@@RJSRdg oh yes that makes sense. Thanks for that

In Brazil in about 1929 when the price of coffee tanked, they burned a lot of it in locomotives.

@unconfusedother4164

2 жыл бұрын

Made my day. I'm going to fact check that. Love it. Thanks - Suger Cane plantations used to burn the stalks that came out of the wringer.

:0 a new engine

Imagine what story EcoCoal would fit into if it was adapted as a Skarloey Railway story

Unlike the last coal video, which was excellent, this one does not really give me information on how the ecoal performed on the TR. Was it any good and is the TR ordering more? The coal segment of this video mainly reiterated info from the previous one.

What will be name of the new engine?

Very interesting. I was wondering whether they would make coal instead of mining it as the U.K. coal reserves are depleting and many railways get coal from Russia and there is the incident that has happened with Russia. Locomotives in places like the United States already has lots of steam locomotives that burn wood or oil. But it is just not the same as coal. It would also seem wrong not to see tenders with coal.

@mickymondo7463

2 жыл бұрын

Our coal reserves aren't depleting, we have a vast quantity of high quality coal under our feet in many places throughout the country. It is politics pandering to the green lobby that prevents us mining it. We could easily have our electricity generated by coal fired plants and lead the world in clean coal technology, but the ecomentalist cult of thunberg has infested our political system to such an extent that we are forced to pay a 25% surcharge on our electricity bills to fund windfarms and solar farms that are uneconomical without huge incentives

@username5502

2 жыл бұрын

@@mickymondo7463, exactly. Well yes. There is still lots of coal. It is just the coal reserves currently available are depleting. I do believe we need to protect the environment and deal with pollution, deforestation etc but I do not at all believe that politics is the answer. I believe innovation is the answer. There are major problems with renewable energy. Geothermal energy is clean and reliable but can only be done in places with volcanic activity close to the surface, places like Iceland. Wind power, solar power etc is unreliable and expensive. Nuclear power is an alternative to fossil fuels or unreliable wind and solar energy. There are issues with nuclear fission and the uranium (or whatever other nuclear fuel they are using) mining causes pollution and contributes to climate change and the uranium is non-renewable. Although there may be nuclear fusion technology which wouldn’t use non-renewable nuclear fuel and would provide clean, reliable and very cheap energy.

what's going to happen to the old worn out sleepers? does the TR still use them for fire wood.

@duck1946

2 жыл бұрын

the answer was in the video!

👍

Are the sleepers coated in creasote as the sleepers are in the U.S??

@RJSRdg

2 жыл бұрын

I don't think they're allowed to use creosote anymore (it's carcinogenic) but they may well treat it with something else.

@neilkearns885

2 жыл бұрын

@@RJSRdg Any scrap sleepers will have been creosoted. As an industrial preservative it was used until about 2010/2012?

@MrJoeyWheeler

2 жыл бұрын

@@RJSRdg The hell? Why would it matter that creosote is carcinogenic? Nobody's eating the darn stuff!

@RJSRdg

2 жыл бұрын

@@MrJoeyWheeler I think it was more to do with inhaling it, either during application, or if the sleepers were later disposed of by burning.

@RJSRdg

2 жыл бұрын

@@neilkearns885 My understanding is that Network Rail now 'securely dispose of' scrap sleepers rather than donating them to heritage railways or selling them on to be used as garden decking etc. If you see anywhere selling 'railway sleepers' now, they will be brand new ones.

Does the molasses give a sort of Burnt Sugar smell?

@TalyllynRailway1865

2 жыл бұрын

No - a slight chemical smell!

@mickymondo7463

2 жыл бұрын

@@TalyllynRailway1865 What about tar like residue after burning clogging up the boiler tubes? I suppose only long term use will confirm that one

@unconfusedother4164

2 жыл бұрын

@@TalyllynRailway1865 - Lovely. People keep telling me that they love the smell of steam - The general public don't know that the smell they associate with steam is largely the smell of Welsh Steam Coal !! Isn't there a danger here that the Karens will start worrying more about what their lovely kids are inhaling ??

I am very surprised that the heritage railways have not taken the coal mining side of the Business in house because the demand is world wide as Anthracite temperature is too high when blasted and that needs the temperature of combustion too low for the proper combustion of Molasses.

@unconfusedother4164

2 жыл бұрын

That's interesting. I'd like to know more.

Another new engine?

Is this new E-Coal carbon neutral too?

Perhaps someone should start up a coal mine museum that sells little loads of coal on the side to heritage operations

@terry6131

2 жыл бұрын

It's the government and local councils that are no longer issuing permits to mine and DEFRA are trying to get rid of certain types of coal anyway. NTET have been strong on lobbying the gov to make exemptions and so far have been mildly successful, however the Wales gov have not issues a renewal so even with the coal washer being broke, that pit was due to close at the end of the year. The general attitude by the Gov is that if it's not mined, it's not contributing to the CO2 targets. However, imported coal is not factored into targets, so we can import as much as we want, but the issue is that the overall CO2 produced is far greater due to transport costs over digging it out of our ground. So sadly, no more UK mines

@MrJoeyWheeler

2 жыл бұрын

@@terry6131 Damn them all to hell. Green policies are the height of ridiculousness, especially considering that Britain is insignificant when it comes to global emissions. Nobody dares point a finger at China, the actual worst offender with no incentive to stop.

@unconfusedother4164

2 жыл бұрын

@@terry6131 - Still got the mines, just not one getting out steam coal, I think. Welsh and UK Governments playing pass-the-parcel with the issue of mining permits - Aberpergwym.

Nice to hear all of those lilting Welsh accents... There's lovely whatever.

Should burn old rubber tires 🙃. Locomotives that burned anthracite had wide fireboxes (Wooten) so that it would work. Locomotive 113 in Pennsylvania is one of few left. I think they use a mixture of anthracite and bituminous though as running it on 100% anthracite didn’t work well. I think in the day they burned culm which was a waste “slack” from anthracite mining. UK railways should import some coal from the US there are plenty of mines operational here.

@logangarrett2681

2 жыл бұрын

burning tires is a very bad idea there are stories of engines burning tires when they have had bad coal and at the end of the jorney and finding that the rubber has clogged up the smoke box and tubes. thus the engine not being fixable also tires have a steel belt inside the tire.

@catapultking8861

2 жыл бұрын

Yeah, Camelback locomotives. Burned Culm, basically dirt in quality, or waste from processing anthracite. Cheap running. Really cheap running. Back in the day, it saved $30,000 each year per locomotive in the later 19th century and early 20th century. Good idea, but camelbacks were dangerous to operate.

@paulnicholson1906

2 жыл бұрын

@@logangarrett2681 I was just joking. They would make a terrible smell and lots of smoke. That’s why I put an upside down emoji.

@paulnicholson1906

2 жыл бұрын

@@catapultking8861 maybe being fines made it light fast?

@unconfusedother4164

2 жыл бұрын

@@paulnicholson1906 - All the smash being picked up and carried straight up the chimney meant the tubes were self-sweeping.🤣

Can someone please make a RWS style artwork of the new loco

Why not buy high quality black coal from NSW in Australia, export millions of tons of the stuff each year. Just have it sent out in containers, just like they do with grain.

@thomasmason2433

2 жыл бұрын

Because that would be very expensive.

@duck1946

2 жыл бұрын

That may well happen,the green lobby are not interested in cost as long as its not produced in this green and pleasent land!

Why the RAF roundel on the loco

@TheSteamdriver

2 жыл бұрын

Because it used to be employed by the RAF

@TalyllynRailway1865

2 жыл бұрын

No.6 Douglas was built in 1918 for the Air Service Constructional Corps and spent a lot of it's working life at RAF Calshot base - so on 2018 for the locomotives 100th Birthday and the RAFs 100th Birthday, we teamed up with them and turned out the loco in RAF blue with the roundel to commemorate that history together!

@buffplums

2 жыл бұрын

@@TalyllynRailway1865 ahh fascinating thank you. Oh one other thing, was the engine called Duncan in the early Rev W D Awdrey books based in this Loco … in the books, despite its red / orange colour it would appear to be of a similar design?

@buffplums

2 жыл бұрын

@@TalyllynRailway1865 ooh yes I have another question… when I was a little boy we visited the TR a and this would have been around 1971 and at Towyn Wharf station, at the time there was an old loco painted in red which was awaiting restoration. I seem to remember it was parked up actually at the end and on the platform … i remember climbing inside the cab and remembering that the cab roof inside was a cream colour and all the paint was cracked and the engine from my distant memory was in quite a dilapidated state. I’m wondering if there is anyone old enough still working with the TR a who might remember what Loco it was Im sure it would now be back in service after many years. I would just love to know which engine it was if that’s possible to find out please?

@TalyllynRailway1865

2 жыл бұрын

@@buffplums Yes it was! All of our steam locos and some of our diesel locos appear in the Rev Awdry's books - the Skarloey Railway is directly based on our little line, as the Rev Awdry was a volunteer here! Skarloey is Talyllyn, Rheneas is Dolgoch, Sir Handel is Sir Haydn, Peter Sam is Edward Thomas, Rusty is Midlander, Duncan is Douglas and in Chris Awdry's books Ivo Hugh is Tom Rolt and Fred is Alf.

I think the new engine needs a splendid coat of paint

Unrelated but, I got two ads in this video and one of them was 20 minutes long, I watched the entirity of it just to help this little railway maintain it's service, even though I can't directly pay for it.

Why not regular coal?

@kaymish6178

2 жыл бұрын

Did you even listen to the video? The regular source of coal has run out. what they've got is all they are going to get until a new source is found. So they are trying new sources.

@unconfusedother4164

2 жыл бұрын

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@ashleydemoss4609

2 жыл бұрын

@@kaymish6178 I did. Coal is renewable. It can't run out.

@kaymish6178

2 жыл бұрын

@@ashleydemoss4609 that's irrelevant. The grading and crushing equipment at the mine they use is broken and is uneconomical to fix because the steam railway is the only place using lump coal. The mine's main customer is coal fired powerstations that use powdered coal and don't need the wash plant. So it is too expensive to fix for such a small group of customers and the mine has run out of the lump coal that the plant produced.

@ashleydemoss4609

2 жыл бұрын

@@kaymish6178 Why would it be broken when coal is still being used?

Ohh no, a new skarloey railway engine

After processing all the ingredients and the power used to do it, and then transportation to the railway, how the hell can that be considered eco friendly. We should be mining coal in Britain, we have some of the best quality coal in the world underneath our feet we should use it and regain energy independence we have the ability to make coal clean we should be world leaders

@unconfusedother4164

2 жыл бұрын

👍

@daedalus2097

2 жыл бұрын

Part of the problem is that there isn't much demand, so mining coal isn't financially viable. Heritage railways alone can't sustain a mine, let alone a mining industry.

@unconfusedother4164

2 жыл бұрын

@@daedalus2097 - If you accept the arguement that the substitute is 'less green', then we still have a moral duty to mine Welsh Steam locally, no matter how it is subsidised. Effectivly a carbon tax on me, because I can't pass it on, and a fare increase which will have to be explained to people who want to ride behind a steam loco on the Talyllyn.

@daedalus2097

2 жыл бұрын

All environmental efforts and concerns are merely compromises - if it was as simple as saying the only option is the most environmentally friendly one, there would be no steam engines left running, no petrol cars, no gas-fired central heating, lower populations... Moral duty only means so much. There's no point going for a slightly greener option if it's economically unviable. Mining Welsh coal just for heritage railway use would make the tickets prohibitively expensive, resulting in the end of running steam and these wonderful machines being stuffed and mounted in static displays. It would be good to know either way though, just how much of a difference there is in environmental impact between the two fuels. I suspect any difference either way is massively dwarfed by the fact it's getting incompletely burned in a fire, thus releasing most of the contained carbon into the atmosphere. But feel free to post some verifiable figures.

@unconfusedother4164

2 жыл бұрын

@@daedalus2097 - Agreed. We don't want that at all. The Talyllyn have already said that burning this stuff, they are burning 20% more, and I think 50% more expensive is in the ball-park. My own figures reflect the 20% more. If you factor in the extra shipping and processing, then it is clear that the result is more CO2 per horsepower hour at the end of the line. I think you are absolutely right about the 20% extra burn being due to the stuff collapsing through the grate, and maybe something which could be resolved by adding fiberous stuff to the binder... But that doesn't get around the extra footprint from transporting and processing it. The least CO2 per horspower hour is going to be achieved by simply digging the stuff up and throwing it on the fire. My arguement is that I'd rather pay 70% more for the Real McCoy than 70% more for something which is less environmentaly friendly. The latter is illogical.

Lol coal is not as bad as diesel