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@Buffy8Fan

6 ай бұрын

For an in-universe answer as to why the hammers are different, either Fisk didn't care that the hammer wasn't the same as the one he killed his dad with because Maya wouldn't know either way, or he didn't want the evidence lying around so it had to be a different hammer, or he wanted it to symbolize what he said but wanted it to be a different hammer for her symbolism of breaking away from him. With the last one I think that could work as an audence metaphore that doesn't have to have the in-universe reason attatched to it.

@rickee9909

6 ай бұрын

what up bro i like your additude about the whole thing yeah it wasn't great but it wasn't sh!t you know?

@rickee9909

6 ай бұрын

i enjoyed it i hated hawye the fierst few times i tried to watch it i couldn't;t stay awake in it until when i tried to watch it right before i watched echo

@rickee9909

6 ай бұрын

33:48 no i doubt she cured him i think if anything it could of messed with his memory making him feel violated and infuriating him to a higher extreme

@AbitofEverything4U

6 ай бұрын

@@Buffy8Fan Not sure why YT didn't notify me of your comment, but I agree, your in-universe answer works very well!

I just want to say how thankful I am with how positive you are about representation! It's refreshing to hear how excited someone is about it instead of complaining. Thank you lots!

@platinumspike9578

6 ай бұрын

I see a lot of people getting pissy over changes to characters race and or gender. I have absolutely no problem with them changing these things so long as the character stays fundamentally the same. I think a great recent example is the Percy Jackson show. Annabeth and Grover both had changes to their race but it isn’t an issue. These characters are the same if not better than their book counterparts. Where I start to have issues is when they use the representation as an integral part of their identities. As much as race and gender are important things in today’s society, we should be focusing on more universal and relatable struggles like family, death, and the crumbling of friendships rather than race relations and gender acceptance. These more particular themes alienate a large majority of the audience and lead to lower sales. There is a time and a place for these issues and I don’t think superhero films is the right outlet to express these problems.

@MyDumbQuestion

6 ай бұрын

This is pretty much the only channel I watch when it comes to MCU stuff anymore. Too many other channels have turned toxic. The MCU is meant to be fun, there's no need to be negative. If you're looking for another positive channel that covers the MCU from time to time check out Blerd without Fear.

@natsohigh5552

6 ай бұрын

​​@@platinumspike9578 she also showed no interest whatsoever in her heritage. So it really made no sense to make it this big part of the show. It was so out of place. If they want to go the representation route then they should have done a show with Kahori who was just introduced in What If season 2.

@TiredMoonRabbit

6 ай бұрын

​@@natsohigh5552she was reconnecting with her heritage in the show, it was a whole plot point.

@TiredMoonRabbit

6 ай бұрын

​@@platinumspike9578everything is connected my friend.

24:02 Maya says in one of the episodes that she only started getting the powers when she came back to Tamaha. The powers likely only activate in the native lands where the Choctaw people first arrived. Her father died in New York, so she couldn't get help from her ancestors there. And for her mother, it was probably an issue of timing (Maya couldn't get the healing powers to heal her mom because then she wouldn't be dead, meaning that the healing powers couldn't have been passed on in the first place). 33:30 I saw an interview today where one of the people who worked on the show stated that Maya tried to heal Kingpin but he was unable to let go of his rage, and so she couldn't actually heal him because he refused to give in.

@AbitofEverything4U

6 ай бұрын

Awesome feedback on the vid. That makes a ton of sense for why Maya got the powers when she did. Love that theory. And that interview on the Kingpin and whether he was healed or not makes alot of sense as well. Thanks for sharing all of that!

it was such a good show, and very refreshing for the MCU that it wasn't the entire earth or universe at stake for the hundredth time. felt so nice to see a more grounded story with personal stakes, definitely looking forward to more of the street-level MCU! this was also the first mcu thing in a while that i watched before seeing any slightest bit of review or feedback anyone who had seen it, and oh my days it is so much better this way. while it wasn't perfect, it wasn't anywhere near as bad as some reviewers make it out to be just because saying "MCU thing bad" has become a trend of sorts to get views.

@AbitofEverything4U

6 ай бұрын

Great review of the show. I enjoyed it and it's given me alot of faith that Marvel will be able to pull off the grittier street-level storylines. Really got me excited for DD: Born Again to drop next year. And yeah, the "MCU is bad" clickbait is pretty tiring. Sigh.

"Why didn't her powers activate when her father died?" She wasn't in the land of her ancestors. "Why is the hammer different?" Kingpin is too smart to hold onto evidence of a murder he commited. He had someone buy that hammer to use as a prop to control her, imho.

@AbitofEverything4U

6 ай бұрын

Excellent feedback! I think you are 100% on both of those theories!

In Echo I see a wonderful opportunity of using her powers in a standoff against Kang! Just imagine, with her powers amplified, how she enters Kang‘s mind and sees all his rage, all his suffering; and maybe it should also be that she can go through his mind to the very first variant of Kang. That would be an awesome powerful scene

@AbitofEverything4U

6 ай бұрын

Very interesting idea!

Marvel Studios needs to hire you as a Timeline Consultant. Also Echo was great!

@AbitofEverything4U

6 ай бұрын

That would be a dream job working for Marvel. But, in the meantime, making the timeline vids is alot of fun. Thanks so much for your positive feedback on the vid...and I agree, Echo was great!

I didn’t think Maya knew that the interpreter died because Kingpin spoke aloud facing away from Maya when he ordered her death. She also couldn’t hear the gunshot or them wrapping her up and carrying her away. She likely has no idea he had this done.

@AbitofEverything4U

6 ай бұрын

Good feedback! So, my thought on the interpreter is that we saw three of them in the course of those 2021 flashbacks, so I bet he had each one killed and thus Maya was possibly aware. But you could be right that she didn't know.

@Celebok

6 ай бұрын

Yeah, I was about to point this out too. They shot the interpreter around the corner and down the hallway, so Maya couldn't see what was happening and wouldn't hear the gunshot. As for the fact that Kingpin seemed to cycle through interpreters on a regular basis, perhaps he intentionally had them stand or sit in the shadows so that Maya wouldn't notice or care that she never saw the same interpreter more than once.

@AbitofEverything4U

6 ай бұрын

@@Celebok Very true...Maya might be unaware. I could see that being the case.

I just checked out the Disney+ timeline on my end, and they've actually placed the Netflix shows there now as well. Daredevil & Jessica Jones are placed between I Am Groot (right after GOTG2) and Age of Ultron, Luke Cage, Iron Fist & Defenders are placed between Ant-Man and Civil War and Punisher is put between Black Panther and Doctor Strange. Of course this doesn't account for later seasons but it's something

@AbitofEverything4U

6 ай бұрын

Yeah, I wonder if they will end up breaking the Defenders shows down by season. It would make the timeline abit more clunky, but it would help viewers know when to jump between seasons.

I like how the MCU is going in a street level direction. It makes it feel more grounded and splitting up the heroes in different sections. That includes this one is just very smart 🎉

@AbitofEverything4U

6 ай бұрын

I agree...I really like this direction for the MCU. I suspect if not for the pandemic and the writer's strike, we'd have seen this direction coming together sooner, but I'm glad it's happening now.

Its been less than half a week since the show released and there's already a video. Great work, keep it up as always!

@AbitofEverything4U

6 ай бұрын

Thanks! Was tricky considering it was 5 episodes, but had alot of fun putting it together!

Besides the goofy finale I really enjoyed Echo. I don’t understand how people think she’s not an interesting character. The short but sweet time with Daredevil was amazing and Kingpin is still the best mcu villain imo. Overall a great start to the street level mature content

@AbitofEverything4U

6 ай бұрын

I agree, the ending was my least favorite part, but overall the series was alot of fun!

@iraford5788

6 ай бұрын

Only goofy part in the finale was the last fight scene were Maya got her powers, other than that it was great.

@Mccpotinc

6 ай бұрын

@@iraford5788 the guy with the rpg who gets shot and launched the rocket up and everyone just thinks it’s fireworks was goofy

@AbitofEverything4U

6 ай бұрын

@@iraford5788 Right...the last fight scene was the only thing I didn't like as much.

@AbitofEverything4U

6 ай бұрын

​@@Mccpotinc I did like that dude's expression when he realized he was gonna get shot. That was epic!

Echo fitting in so nicely into the timeline was really satisfying - I wish all the MCU projects were this clear with when they were set...

@AbitofEverything4U

6 ай бұрын

Yeah, it was such a pleasant surprise to see it fit in so nicely!

@iraford5788

6 ай бұрын

Agreed.

@AbitofEverything4U

6 ай бұрын

@@iraford5788 💯

The hammer being different reminds me of Gus Fring having kids toys in his house just to make Walter White think he’s a family man. Kingpin is so deceptive, he placed that hammer to manipulate Maya. It not being the same hammer confirms he’s willing to fake it.

@AbitofEverything4U

6 ай бұрын

Excellent point...yeah, I think that explains the hammer really well!

@ArthurGoldberg-vd9ct

5 ай бұрын

Its a good point, but in the final episode i think, maya put her hands in kingpings head and saw the same hammer that kingpin showed to her. I think so, sorry if i am wrong😕

@AbitofEverything4U

5 ай бұрын

​@@ArthurGoldberg-vd9ct Yeah, that's a good question. I don't recall if we could very clearly see the hammer in the flashback or not. But that said there were other differences as well...I think Kingpin wasn't in a different room like that when it happened originally...I think he was in the same room as his father and mother. But we all have different memories in our head of what actually happened, so I wondered if that was the case. Perhaps we were seeing how Kingpin remembers it vs. how it really occurred?

Echo was “representation” done as correctly as it can be. Maya has qualities and traits other than her “other-ness,” which is what quite a bit of projects tend to focus on.

@AbitofEverything4U

6 ай бұрын

Well said...I thought it was excellent representation!

I will always refer to the Daredevil vs Echo fight as Cox vs Cox 😂

@AbitofEverything4U

6 ай бұрын

LOL!!! Nicely done!

It’s really interesting they added the Netflix defenders shows to the Disney plus timeline. I can’t wait to see your placement of them throughout phase 2 and 3

@AbitofEverything4U

6 ай бұрын

Yeah...so happy to see them show up in the timeline. That will be my next vid!

My headcanon is that the powers need to be activated in her homeland, so they didn’t activate with her dad because she was in New York not in Oklahoma. What a great show, Alaqua Cox was incredible! Thanks for all your hard work and dedication to making these videos so detailed.

@AbitofEverything4U

6 ай бұрын

I like that theory alot...would make sense that she had to be back in her homeland to receive the gift from her ancestors. Nice call!

My interpretation of the Kingpin dream sequence from the last episode is that Maya tried to help him release his trauma, release his pain, fear and anger, but that he was too stubborn, to emotionally damaged, to let that happen. So i think, when he says "What did you do to me?" he doesn't mean that Maya changed him in any way but that she forced him to think about something he repressed for so many years. I think the scene exists to show that at this point in his life Kingpin is nothing but the pure irredeemable evil which would be a great setup for the Daredevil show.

@AbitofEverything4U

6 ай бұрын

Love that theory! I think that makes alot of sense!

Echo was awesome! My girlfriend and I had a blast watching. The fight with Daredevil was sooo good, the whole time Maya had a gun in her hand i thought Matt is being shot at the head again. It seemed like she heavily tried to focus on his chin, scary stuff :D Kingpins walk to Maya, while the police couldn't decide of the are even allowed to look at THE Kingpin, goosebumps. But we all knew those parts would be awesome. The show surprised us with its story and especialy the family. It felt real. Everything about her family felt so true to real life. That we saw not coming, it was a blast.

@AbitofEverything4U

6 ай бұрын

Great summary of the series. Yeah, I felt the story was very well crafted and I was so happy to see Daredevil pop up and ofc the Kingpin was menacing as ever. Glad you enjoyed it with your gf. Really looking forward to DD: Born Again!

I was shocked how much I loved Echo. I think the writing and emotion was pretty top notch. Can’t wait to see more of her character!

@AbitofEverything4U

6 ай бұрын

Agreed...the writing was great, the cultural references and history were very well done, and the characters were so much fun to watch. My only wish was that the finale was abit longer, but that's a common issue with the D+ shows. Otherwise, really liked the show!

Nice Cloak & Dagger reference! My favorite of the remaining non-canon shows. ⚫&⚡ Great job as always

@AbitofEverything4U

6 ай бұрын

Yeah, C&D was a really good show. Would love to see those characters again!

watching the series i was thinking about the timeline and "cannoninity" of stuff the entire time, thanks for making this video!

@AbitofEverything4U

6 ай бұрын

Yeah, it was cool to see alot of the flashbacks filling in some of the gaps...now I really, really, really want to know about that 4 year gap!

You mentioned that Echo was okay with Kingpin killing the interpreter but I believe she may not have known it happened. They did it in another room where she couldn’t see it, and she wouldn’t have heard it either. Did I miss something to suggest that she knew it happened? Love your stuff, so excited for more to come this year! ❤ EDIT: You already hit this in another comment-multiple interpreters so she may have known what was going on. Good eye!

@AbitofEverything4U

6 ай бұрын

Yeah, I should have mentioned the multiple interpreters in the vid. I forgot to call that out, even though I did notice that the credits even mention the interpreters by number (i.e. Interpreter 1, Interpreter 2 and Interpreter 3), almost to make sure we realize he keeps killing them off. Definitely right up Kingpin's alley to do it so coldly and heartlessly. Dude is terrifying!

I liked the chronological order breakdown. It really helps see things better

@AbitofEverything4U

6 ай бұрын

Thanks! Yeah, it really helps me alot as well. It's fun to watch the story as it was originally presented in the episodes (i.e. out of order), but then to go back and put it all in order to get a different view of things.

Awesome video as always man! Thank you for not being toxic and just making a fun timeline video! Still so weird seeing defenders stuff on the timeline never thought it would happen!!

@AbitofEverything4U

6 ай бұрын

ikr? Love seeing the Defenders completely restored to being canon. So cool!

I'd like to start out by saying I like Maya's arc for this season, starting out as a violent apathetic loner assassin and ending with finding a non-violent emotional collaborative way to defeat Kingpin. Definitely shows her growth as a character. I like how they did her powers too, it was an awesome way to change up her character in a way that's specific to her and her culture and I'd like to see more of it, see which other of her ancestors we can meet and what their skills are. As far as the spiral is concerned, I was watching the New Rockstars recaps of Echo that Jessica Clemons is doing and I believe she says something to the effect of spirals are an important symbol in Choctaw belief and that with the spiral going counterclockwise in the show its like humanity humbling themselves to their gods or something like that. I didn't even pick up on the hammer being different until people started talking about it. I'm pretty much in agreement with you that its more of a symbolic thing and that he got rid of the original hammer and such like you say in the video and thats why it's different. To bring up New Rockstars again, on their Breakroom show Hector Navarro brought up that the hammer is symbolic as well, but in a different way, that the normal hammer is used for construction and Fisk used it to dismantle his dad or whatever while the hammer in the Echo show is used more in forging and tempering metals and such symbolizing Maya being forged in her grief and anger and whatever or something to that effect. I also agree that we'll likely see some of the more street level stuff start crossing over in the MCU. Like I'd suspect we'll see Fisk in Spider-Man 4 and Echo in Born Again and stuff like that. I definitely agree that Mayor Fisk and President Ross will be working together and stuff too. A lot of the internet seems to be thinking that too. I assumed the device on his eye was more meant to heal it, like Maya probably did shoot him in or close to the eye and it was really messy and such and that device is being used to heal the damage as much as it can, and what we see in the show is like 5 months worth of it healing. Speaking of eyes, I too think the ASL contact thing was cool, while I agree Fisk should have learned ASL if he truly did care about Maya it was still a cool way to try and better communicate with her nonetheless.

@AbitofEverything4U

6 ай бұрын

Excellent feedback on the show...loved reading it all. Thanks so much for taking the time to share it. That was an interesting detail about the spiral being part of the Choctaw beliefs!

@lordofninjas1

6 ай бұрын

@@AbitofEverything4U yeah, it was interesting learning about it, it's cool to learn about different cultures and histories and such. I also went back and watched that part of the video from New Rockstars again just to make sure I was giving the correct information, and I pretty much did, that they use counterclockwise spirals to show humility and humble themselves to their gods and such because they see clockwise spirals all over creation and stuff like that.

@AbitofEverything4U

6 ай бұрын

Niiiiice!

I'm happy that people can now know that the series have always been canon in the MCU. I always said it and time proved me right 😃

@AbitofEverything4U

6 ай бұрын

I agree...those shows fit in very well into the overall MCU. I'm glad they are finally being given the nod to being fully canon!

Loved the series. So cool and soo much representation (native, amputee, deaf, woman)

@AbitofEverything4U

6 ай бұрын

Agreed...I thought they did a very good job with the series. I enjoyed it even more on the second re-watch to put the vid together!

awesome video man! loved hearing all your thoughts about this show, i really did enjoy Echo and all of its characters, i hope we get to see them again soon!! when i watched the scene of the interpreter dying, i thought of it more as Fisk taking advantage of Maya’s deafness by having her killed in the next room, but the idea of her being okay with the murder would also make sense since she did witness kingpin beating the ice cream man and didn’t react negatively to that.

@AbitofEverything4U

6 ай бұрын

Good feedback! Yeah, my thought on the interpreter is that we saw three of them in the course of those 2021 flashbacks, so I bet he had each one killed and thus Maya was likely aware. Insanity...but also very much a Kingpin thing to do!

Bro! Your breakdowns are so on point. Absolutely loved this series! Thank you for doing the hard work, we’re forever grateful! Can’t wait to see more of Echo (Street Level story arch).

@AbitofEverything4U

6 ай бұрын

I agree...I really enjoyed the series and it does indeed get me all the more excited for the street-level storylines. Can't wait for DD: Born Again to drop!

Hawkeye wrapped filming on April 21st, 2021, and Echo Started exactly one year later on April 21st, 2022. I feel like they must have filmed some stuff for Hawkeye initially and then decided to move it over to Echo. Because the girl playing young Maya (who is also Alaqua Cox's cousin, surprisingly) looks exactly the same as she did when Hawkeye came out.

@AbitofEverything4U

6 ай бұрын

Yeah, it's truly amazing how it seems like she didn't age at all. That makes alot of sense that they started filming immediately.

Amazing breakdown of Echo which I easily enjoyed.

@AbitofEverything4U

6 ай бұрын

Thanks so much...really appreciate the positive feedback!

These videos are amazing. Very glad to have found this channel :D

@AbitofEverything4U

6 ай бұрын

Thanks so much for the positive feedback. Great to have you here!

Usually I just like these vids for recaps and kind of putting things together on where we’re going in the MCU but this show specifically had me wanting to understand the dates of everything, Great video even if they retcon all of this in the future 🔥😭💀

@AbitofEverything4U

6 ай бұрын

Yeah, the dates definitely threw me off abit at first, so it helped to organize it chronologically. Will be interesting to see where things go once DD: Born Again drops!

echo gave me such a netflix series feel for the first few episodes and I was so happy with it. ending was a bit weird to me, but I loved the series, a nice refreshing series in a time where marvel projects have been a bit hit or MISS.

@AbitofEverything4U

6 ай бұрын

Well said...I think the first 4 episodes were great and they did indeed feel like those Netlfix series of old. The finale was abit weird, as you point out, but overall the series gives me hope that DD: Born Again will be amazing!

D’Onofrio stole every scene he was in, it is one of the best comic book castings of all time imo

@AbitofEverything4U

6 ай бұрын

He is sooooooo incredible. Love having him back!

Echo felt like it could have been longer!!! But still a good show! It taught me a lot about history and I loved the representation!!!

@AbitofEverything4U

6 ай бұрын

I agree on both points...I loved all the cultural history that I learned from watching the show...and I also wish it had been an episode longer. But overall, a very good show!

Thanks, I enjoy your videos. I hope your channel continues to grow and you get to do this full time. I'd love to see a video every day.

@AbitofEverything4U

6 ай бұрын

Thanks so much for the positive feedback...really appreciate it!

Thanks! That's what i was waiting for. I'm downloading it and will watch later on

@AbitofEverything4U

6 ай бұрын

Great...hope you enjoy it!

Finally Punisher will also be showing up! Can't wait

@AbitofEverything4U

6 ай бұрын

Yeah, I'm very excited about seeing the Punisher again. Such a great character!

I can’t wait for your defenders video!

@AbitofEverything4U

6 ай бұрын

Yeah, that one should be alot of fun!

I think that the portrayal of the Choctaw city in Alabama is also to show that Oklahoma was not their original ancestorial land. Andrew Jackson had them and the other tribes moved to Oklahoma during his administration. On the hammer, Fisk's mother would not keep the murder weapon around and Fisk just had one of his goons pick up a hammer to use as a prop to temp Maya to complete her journey to the dark side.

@AbitofEverything4U

6 ай бұрын

Oh wow...that's a cool point about them showing Alabama as the location of the original Choctaw city. Very subtle but important point the series made. Thanks for pointing that out. Regarding the hammer, we do learn in Daredevil S3 E6 that his mom kept the hammer. But I suspect Fisk did have it destroyed soon after that. Here is the dialogue from that episode. Fisk on phone: When I was in prison, my mother passed away. Among her effects was a shoebox with my name on it. A keepsake box of sorts. It was full of happy relics from my life. The gifts that I made her when I was young. The odd news clipping. And the hammer. The instrument of my father's death. I thought that she had thrown it away. But she was proud of what I had done, of who I was. She accepted me, without shame.

Great video as always!!!

@AbitofEverything4U

6 ай бұрын

Thanks!

Unsure if if this was speculated on yet or not- 31:00 my theory on that the after credit scene eye patch is slowly repairing the eye. like a hight tech gadget. GREAT VIDEO. such a breath of fresh air from the other videos circulating rn.

@AbitofEverything4U

6 ай бұрын

Great theory...it doesn't seem like they eye patch had anything to do with the ASL software (which was so cool, btw!) and so I think you're right that it is some type of healing tech. And thanks for the positive feedback on the vid. Really appreciate that!

Kingpin in Echo reminds me of Bullseye in Daredevil, seemingly desperate for a purpose he cares about and he thinks Maya can be his purpose, but i think running for Mayor will be the purpose

@AbitofEverything4U

6 ай бұрын

100% agree...that's a good analogy with Kingpin and Bullseye. Really hope we get to see Dex's return in DD: Born Again, for that matter!

I enjoyed Echo, I can really only think of one scene that I didn't really like and that was when Bonnie and her mother were held hostage and they seemingly broke away after getting Echo's powers... but on reflection, while I think this specifically was a little bit lazy, it made some sense because they were all from the same bloodline. I also have a bit of headcanon about Bonnie considering the actress who plays her also voiced Kahhori, I like to believe she was related to Kahhori in the MCU as well and that's where the power came from lol Pretty sure the tribes are different and that would not hold up in MCU canon court though. The fight with You Know Who was one of the best-grounded fight scenes I've seen in the MCU in a while and Echo's introduction as a henchman for King Pin was a great scene, the way she went from scared and confused to kicking ass was **chef's kiss**

@AbitofEverything4U

6 ай бұрын

Great feedback! Yeah, I thought it was a fun series and I enjoyed it even more on the re-watch to prepare for this vid. And the fight with You Know Who was great. It was short and sweet, but so well done. Gets me all the more excited for DD: Born Again!

As far as I remember the Choctaw creation myth is clay and water based and the Mohawk myth is sky based, so the placement of the portals is somewhat fitting, even when the Sky Land Tesseract portal seems metaphorical and not fundamental to the Mohawks' creation.

@AbitofEverything4U

6 ай бұрын

Excellent points...yeah, it would be pretty cool if the two were somehow tied together. Really enjoyed Echo and Kahhori and all of the native american history we learned from both.

He definitely has a new eye. The electrical whirring is that new eye. It allows him to see sign language and have it dictated into his earpiece when speaking with Echo!

@AbitofEverything4U

6 ай бұрын

Yeah, that's definitely a prevailing theory on that device and I also agree that it seems he should have lost an eye. Could be that the eye is artificial? I've also seen alot of people theorizing that it was a healing device of some sort in that eye patch. I wonder if we'll ever get an official answer, but it's fun to theorize in the meantime.

One reason I love your channel, among many, is how often I have my own theories then come here and see you’re thinking the same. No spoilers but I’ve been theorizing a Street Level saga was gonna kick off in Echo and lo and behold. God bless.

@AbitofEverything4U

6 ай бұрын

That's awesome that we share the same theories...and yeah, I loved seeing Echo really kick things off. Makes me all the more excited for DD: Born Again!

Love watching you videos. Love from Brazil.

@AbitofEverything4U

6 ай бұрын

Thanks so much! I love Brazil. I visited there for a week several years back. Beautiful country!

I think the hammer was only used as a fake to say "Hey see I kept the thing I used" When he didn't and he was using that story as con to get Maya on his side and the fact it's different hints to that fact, but ofc Maya wouldn't know what the real one looks like.

@AbitofEverything4U

6 ай бұрын

Excellent points...yeah, I think that's a great explanation for the reason it was a different hammer. Nice call!

Still haven't finished Echo - just finished episode 3 and CANNOT WAIT to see where it goes! Hope to come back to this breakdown once I'm finished lol! Hope for some cool reveals in the coming eps

@AbitofEverything4U

6 ай бұрын

I loved that third episode. The fight in the roller rink was epic and then seeing Kingpin show up at the end. Wow!

I was desperately waiting for your video😅

@AbitofEverything4U

6 ай бұрын

Thanks! Hope you enjoyed it!

Whenever the first flashback happens and it cuts to the first Choctaw leader, I kept thinking she looked familiar. It was bugging me for a while and then I realized she's actually the widow from The Mandalorian episode "Sanctuary." So that's cool.

@AbitofEverything4U

6 ай бұрын

Oh yeah! So, that's where I've seen her before. Niiiice!

Iirc they auctioned off some set props of the defenders shows, so Marvel studios may not have access to the original hammer and just got a new one without making sure it matched. Also when Echo healed Kingpin I thought for a minute it would heal his scar, putting him back to the more traditional looking kingpin for his appearances in daredevil and Spider-Man 4 (if that is the plan for that film).

@AbitofEverything4U

6 ай бұрын

Good point about the prop...that could be the reason it was different. And yeah, I did wonder if Echo's powers would physically heal him. Perhaps the fact that it didn't heal his mental pain made it also not heal his physical scar?

Finally finished the show, it was surprisingly pretty good, a nice personal story!

@AbitofEverything4U

6 ай бұрын

Yeah, I enjoyed it as well. I thought Marvel did a nice job with it!

Ive heard some people say that using a different hammer was symbolism, like both hammers are used for different things, one building houses the other destroys type thing.

@AbitofEverything4U

6 ай бұрын

I like that theory! Very coo!

I enjoyed the series but i definitely feel like it couldve been slightly longer so that we could spend more time with the characters

@AbitofEverything4U

6 ай бұрын

I definitely agree...I'd have been down with another episode as well as a longer finale. But still enjoyed it none-the-less.

To be fair, they kinda did begin playing with the idea of the political/international and street level sides of the MCU intermingling and bouncing off each other with Black Widow and the Hawkeye series. But I would love it if they embraced it more going forward. There's a few characters that can easily walk between those two worlds (Widow, Elektra, Punisher, Wolverine when he's introduced, Shang-Chi, etc.) Street level MCU connects to Political/International MCU and Political/International MCU connects to Cosmic/Mystical MCU

@AbitofEverything4U

5 ай бұрын

Excellent points! Yeah, the political storylines did really get started with Black Widow. So many cool directions for them to take the political storyline. Makes me super excited for DD: Born Again!

34:42 just a small detail that kingpin father was also running for mayer in daredevil

@AbitofEverything4U

6 ай бұрын

Great point! That is a really cool connection between the two of them.

I read that the little girl who plays young Maya is her cousin in real life, how cute is that 😊

@AbitofEverything4U

6 ай бұрын

Oh wow...I hadn't seen that yet, but that is awesome!

Can’t wait for the Defenders integration, I’m sure that’s gonna be a headache to piece together

@AbitofEverything4U

6 ай бұрын

Working on it as we speak! So glad the Defenders have been brought back into canon status in the MCU!

I was actually thinking about the Echo timeline placement earlier today, and the fact that the show established that it takes place five months after that scene in Hawkeye, so I was wondering if Disney+ would put it in their timeline accordingly. I meant to look myself, but I ended up watching this video first. That's really cool that they placed it exactly in the right spot! I kind of wish MCU scenes that take place during the blip would actually mention the blip in some form, but I guess maybe Marvel is trying to avoid that in their street-level stories. I agree with your theory that Kingpin probably didn't keep the actual hammer, as it would've been evidence that he'd want to ditch right away. But even if it's meant to be the actual hammer, I doubt it's meant to suggest that the Daredevil series wasn't 100% canon, because adding all the Defenders shows to the official timeline was a pretty big deal. If they do later tell us it's the same hammer, then I guess think of it like, they've recast the hammer like they recast Bruce Banner or James Rhodes. Funny that you compared the mixing chemicals to the bomb from Die Hard with a Vengeance. Graham Greene was in that movie!

@AbitofEverything4U

6 ай бұрын

Oh my goodness...I forgot Graham Greene was in that movie. That's awesome!

@Celebok

6 ай бұрын

@@AbitofEverything4UHehe, I didn't remember that either, until I IMDB'd him the other day, because I knew he was a pretty famous actor, but couldn't remember what all I'd seen him in.

@AbitofEverything4U

6 ай бұрын

Niiiiice!

Time to catch on the January videos.

@AbitofEverything4U

6 ай бұрын

Awesome...thanks so much for watching!

23:55 the powerup Maya gets kinda feels like the avatar state from atla to me. If you haven't seen the show, its basically a big powerup the avatar gets when they are in a life threathening situation until they learn to control them and then you can tap in and out of it.

@AbitofEverything4U

6 ай бұрын

Very cool analogy!

No idea if this show is worth watching. Kind of watching Marvel content only once in a while now. Your information does help though! You help keep me updated on things and make things more sensical. You make everything sound more thought-out than what it feels like when watching the content. It just feels all disconnected most of the time. Thank you for making this content to help people understand what's going on and continuing to be positive about the MCU.

@AbitofEverything4U

6 ай бұрын

Wow...thanks so much for the kind words and positive feedback on the channel. Really do appreciate that. As for my take Echo and whether you should watch it or not...it is definitely more of a character driven story and the pacing is therefore slower. However, the story is interesting and well crafted and some of the fight scenes (esp. Ep 1 and 3) are very good. And the train scene in Ep 2 is also great. Ofc, Kingpin is menacing as always. The finale is probably my least favorite episode (similar to some of the other D+ shows), but it does a nice job of setting up the excitement for DD: Born Again. So my breakdown vid probably told you all you need to know to enjoy DD: BA and thus you could skip watching Echo But if you do get a chance to watch the series, I think you'll find it to be entertaining and I'd give it a 7/10 overall.

Speaking of the connection to Kahhori and her people, I have a wild theory (or at the very least a very wild guess). It probably doesn't mean much, but the people that the Choctaw were playing against in that game in the Episode 2 flashback had blue markings on their skin. Most likely it was just a visual way to differentiate the two teams, much like wearing a jersey in modern sport, but still, it reminded me of the What If episode. Plus, from the way they talked about that game, it seemed like the stakes were very high: whoever lost had to leave that land for good. So it seems to me that they were not from the same people, but rather two different peoples/tribes sorting out a border dispute (in a very healthy way, I must add haha!). Besides, the Mohawk river is not THAT far from Alabama (at least by modern day standards of transportation haha!), and if the "blue people" lost that game, they might have had to migrate to the Mohawk valley and settled there. I don't know, it's probably nothing, but it reminded me of that! Also, about the "hammergate", if you want to call it like that, I think that Marvel is achnowledging the events of the Netflix show, but not necessarily the visual details. So, yes, Kingpin did kill his dad with a hammer when he was a kid, but it doesn't have to be that specific hammer. I'm not sure why they would do that for the hammer in particular (probably they couldn't find that specific hammer prop anymore in their vaults lol!), but I think that this could become important in the future in case they want some of the old characters to show up but aren't able to necessarily recast the same actors. We already know, for example, that in Daredavil Born Again the character of Vanessa Fisk will be played by Sandrine Holt instead of Ayelet Zurer. So maybe this is Marvel's way of saying "Hey, the story and the events of the Defenders' shows are canon, but don't get too hung up on the visuals because they might change in the future, and probably will". And finally, about Kingpin's weird eyepatch, I assumed it was some kind of healing technology. If you think about it, if we really have to believe that between the Hawkeye show, where he was shot, and this show, where he comes back, there's only 5 months, then it's really hard to believe that that kind of injury would have healed that fast. Sure, his face is still a bit rough with those scars, and that's why he's still wearing this device from time to time, but it surely doesn't take just 5 months to heal from being shot straight to the face.

@AbitofEverything4U

6 ай бұрын

Great feedback! I really like that Kahhori crossover theory. Niiice! And your hammer theory is very interesting as well. As for that eyepatch, I wonder if he bought Avengers tower and swiped some of the healing tech used in Age of Ultron? Loved all your comments, as usual!

@MegaDudeman21

6 ай бұрын

See my original thought was that the eyepatch was Fisks sign language translator. He talks to Maya after giving her the contact lens and he doesn't have an interpreter with him anymore.

@AbitofEverything4U

6 ай бұрын

@@MegaDudeman21 Yeah, I wondered that as well. It was abit of a mystery as to what that device did, tbh

0:52 it’s not a spotlight logo) it’s just thematic Echo logo, it is the same style as on the show’s posters

@AbitofEverything4U

6 ай бұрын

Oh, good point...you're right that it does seem patterned after Echo's overall logo. Nice call!

Wonder what the future holds for Maya after her series. An appearance in Thunderbolts next, perhaps? If she does appear, I think an appearance from Sharon Carter in the Thunderbolts film would be a given, too.

@AbitofEverything4U

6 ай бұрын

I like both of those ideas. Would be cool to see Maya again in a team-up movie

The hammer is different because of symbolism. The hammer from daredevil is the kind you use to tear down something (like his father) the hammer in echo is the type you use to build something (like the way he is building Maya to be like him)

@AbitofEverything4U

6 ай бұрын

Very cool! I like that theory!

we are so back

@AbitofEverything4U

6 ай бұрын

Yeah, it feels like things are heading in the right direction...hope we keep the upward trend!

It's of my opinion that Kingpin's eye was most likely reconstructed. I can't believe that Maya grazed him or missed without confirmation and leaving him in a state that she believed he was dead. As she stated she thought he was dead which means I'm sure she confirmed her shot. I believe the bullet certainly entered his eye and he appeared to die. But the bullet didn't penetrate his skull allowing him to live. And then he probably had it reconstructed which would be very possible on the world of the MCU. I mean had EXTREMIS regrowing limbs in IM3 and so on so perhaps EXTREMIS was perfectly at some point off screen and was used to reconstruct Kingpin's eye. Just my idea!

@AbitofEverything4U

6 ай бұрын

Excellent theory. That makes alot of sense. We've seen them do some incredible work at healing people in the MCU, such as that tech that healed Hawkey in Age of Ultron.

Thanks.

@AbitofEverything4U

6 ай бұрын

You are very welcome! Had alot of fun putting the vid together!

If they can rework their original plans for No Way Home having Kraven as the villain hunting sown Peter Parker after his identity has been revealed into Spider-Man 4 that invloves Kingpin, that would be great. Because a lot of people are suspecting he's going to try make vigilantes and superheroes illegal in NYC, which would basically be a localized version of the Sokovia Accords, which would mean heroes would have to work with the NYC police department in order to be heroes.

@AbitofEverything4U

6 ай бұрын

Cool theory...I'd love to see Kraven vs. Spiderman!

You seem to time your videos perfectly when I am on the train. Thank you for the entert(r)ainmemt

@AbitofEverything4U

6 ай бұрын

Niiiice! Hope it makes the ride go faster!

16:10 some people think Fisk intentionally killed her behind the corner so Maya couldn’t see it; but still maybe she was able to feel vibrations?…

@AbitofEverything4U

6 ай бұрын

Yeah, I could be wrong that Maya knew about the interpreters being killed...but we did see three different interpreters over the course of that training, so it seems Maya might have wondered what was going on. Interesting to theorize, for sure!

at 220, i think that is supposed to be Kahori, they us her touching a pool with the space stone in the What if tv show, getting powers like Captain Marvel and Pietro

@AbitofEverything4U

6 ай бұрын

Interesting theory...yeah, you do have to wonder if there is a connection between them!

When you make the updated timeline video for the defenders mention how the d+ timeline isn’t accurate. I think it would be really helpful for people to know that!

@AbitofEverything4U

6 ай бұрын

Yeah, I wish they broke the timeline up by seasons, and maybe they'll do that at some point. But I'll be sure to discuss that in the vid. Excellent suggestion!

It really wasn't as bad as people made it out to be. I think it will be looked back on as an underated project in the future.

@AbitofEverything4U

6 ай бұрын

I agree...I thought it was a good show and I enjoyed it on the rewatch to prepare for making the vid. I think it will indeed age well over time.

Echo was alright to me I can't wait for born again and Spider-Man 4 I hope that's a grounded story with the nwh end swing was like entering a new era for Spiderman to be this grounded hero. I enjoy you're videos though if i need to remember something about these timelines I come straight here keep up the good work. 🔥💯

@AbitofEverything4U

6 ай бұрын

Yeah, DD: Born Again and SM 4 look like they will be amazing. Really looking forward to those. And thanks for the positive feedback on the channel. Really appreciate your support!

They confirmed that flashback from Hawkeye was in 2021 because a flashback later which is set in 2021 Kingpin says it’s not been out that long since her dad died

@AbitofEverything4U

6 ай бұрын

Correct! Yep, you had the same thought as I did!

Ross has to be Ritson’s vice president otherwise Brave New World would have to be set in 2029 for it to take place after the next time a new president would be sworn in after the election after Ritson’s last appearance in 2026 in secret invasion. This likely means that Ritson will not complete his first term, unless the MCU decides to switch which years are presidential election years and which are midterm years, therefore a presidential election in the MCU would be in 2026 rather than 2028 like it would be in the real world, as the show West Wing did a similar thing about switching presidential election years.

@AbitofEverything4U

6 ай бұрын

Great theories! So, I'm wondering if something happens to Ritson...I wouldn't be surprised if he might be either killed in office or impeached for his edict about killing aliens. That's likely how Ross gets into office so soon. We'll have to wait and see!

This show started very strong and overall it was pretty entertaining, BUT the ending was so anticlimactic imo. The fact that Fisk just leaves them was so weird for me. I understand Maya did SOMETHING to him but I still don't really get it. Great video btw!

@AbitofEverything4U

6 ай бұрын

I agree...the first 4 episodes were very good but the finale fell flat for me. Bummer. However, it did a good job of getting me excited for DD: Born Again. Can't wait for that to drop!

they did say that that stuff is still in 2007 specifically during the opening scene

@AbitofEverything4U

6 ай бұрын

They never gave us the year for that opening scene with young Maya, but based on the Maya's age in that scene, it seems she's the same age as the flashbacks in Hawkeye for Maya and those were in 2007.

Armor Wars is apart of the Street-Level Saga, so that means most likely maybe the villain of Avengers 5 will be Kingpin, and then they will bring back Kang the Conqueror for Avengers Secret Wars, which would make sense about what the Release Dates looks like! The Multiverse Saga February 2024: What If...? Season 3 May 2024: Eyes of Wakanda Season 1 July 26, 2024: Deadpool 3 September 19, 2024: Agatha Darkhold Diaries Season 1 November 2, 2024: Your Friendly Neighborhood Spider-Man Season 1 January 2025: Daredevil Born Again Season 1 February 14, 2025: Captain America Brave New World May 2, 2025: Fantastic Four July 25, 2025: Thunderbolts September 3, 2025: Ironheart Season 1 November 7, 2025: Blade February 13, 2026: Armor Wars May 1, 2026: Avengers 5 May 7, 2027: Avengers Secret Wars This would give Marvel Studios enough time to figure out the Jonathan Majors situation, but also give us the fans the best of both worlds. The only dates that we don't know about are July 24, 2026 but we obviously know that will most likely be Spider-Man 4 & then November 6, 2024 which could be anything, my best bet would most likely be World War Hulk! Also Jonathan Majors could stay as Kang the Conqueror, kzread.info/dash/bejne/qKKq3MGeYZuWgbA.html We only have to wait until D23 on August 9, 10, 11.

@AbitofEverything4U

6 ай бұрын

I was really torn on what to do with Armor Wars, but I agree, that is likely part of the street-level storyline and perhaps Iron Heart will be as well, assuming it ties into Armor Wars. Lots of great street-level content coming our way before we dive head first into the final lap of the multiverse saga. So cool!

I honestly think this show could’ve really benefited from not having powers. Maybe keep all of the visions and the ancestry stuff bc I think it works for the culture and the family stuff. But I think if the moral of the story involves “relying on your family” then they could’ve used the ancestors as a way to show “your heritage matters, and your family, past and present will be there to help you”

@AbitofEverything4U

6 ай бұрын

That's a great point! I really loved the ties to her ancestors but wasn't as pleased about the powers. So your solution would allow for keeping the first and ditching the latter. Maybe they could go that direction for the future...perhaps she can't tap into the powers going forward, but can still tap into the knowledge and experience of her ancestors. I really like that idea!

If you look closely at the first three flashbacks, you’ll notice the format is different in each time!

@AbitofEverything4U

6 ай бұрын

Great point...love that!

Just a note on Daredevil: Born Again. The show was announced to have an 18 episode season, but when it was reworked and became the first Marvel Studios series to be given a showrunner, I believe it change from 18 to 12 (which I like much more because it means we won't get a dragged out season). I don't know if this has been confirmed or not, but that was the report. And along with that, came news that a season 2, also 12 episodes, was ordered alongside it, meaning they're REALLY betting on Daredevil to knock it out of the park. And I hope it does, because even though I've been enjoying a lot of what Marvel has been putting out since the start of Phase 4, something like Daredevil would really help to bring back some of the people who have fallen off. Because it they who have fallen off, not Marvel. Edit: Hector Navarro appearded on the channel The Breakdown (one of New Rockstar's three channels) for a discussion about the final two episodes, and in it, he provides a wonderful theory as to why the two different hammers are not a contradiction, which I love. Go check it out.

@AbitofEverything4U

6 ай бұрын

I agree...Marvel is betting alot on DD: Born Again...really hope it's incredible. And I loved Hector's theory on the hammer. That was awesome!

I hope to see REAL Civil War Level in Spider-Man 4

My interpretation of his injury is that she shot him through the eye and it perhaps went out his ear and that's why he has tech on or in both?

@AbitofEverything4U

6 ай бұрын

Good theory...I would definitely be interested to know more about that injury, if they decide to fill in the backstory when DD: Born Again drops.

Dunno how I missed this upload but it's one I was really looking forward to. I love this series so much, I love the attention and love to native indians in the same way that Ms Marvel really did the same for Muslim culture. I had no idea about the altering of the flashback scene or even deleted scenes. Also is it just me or is the grave scene using the same setting as when Yelena was at Nat's grave? I will say I loved that the way the interpreter was taken care of is similar to the way Kingpin had another character taken care of in Daredevil, was a nice touch. I was also gonna mention that Kingpin MIGHT still have been blind in one eye, we know he had tech developed which may or may not have helped with his sight BEYOND the signing. Also I had no idea the ringtone was connected to Kingpin. Also when did we learn Val and Kingpin were working together?

@AbitofEverything4U

6 ай бұрын

Yeah, I'm really curious about Kingpin's eye. I suspect we'll learn more in DD: Born Again. As for Kingpin and Val, my assumption was that Elanor called Kingpin, who then called Val, who then contracted Yelena to put the hit on Hawkeye. But I could be wrong about that. Thoughts?

@BlackHedgehog

6 ай бұрын

@@AbitofEverything4U Ooooo, I didn't even think about that. Honestly I just thought you mispoke. Would be crazy if true though.

@AbitofEverything4U

6 ай бұрын

Yeah, those two working together would be epic!

I have a theory that Maya healing Kingpin of his pain will bring out the true monster in him. I believe the pain and trauma was holding him back from his full potential

@AbitofEverything4U

6 ай бұрын

Interesting theory! I like that idea!

Man such a great series, this is probably the biggest surprise I’ve had in the entire mcu. This along with Agatha I felt were absolutely unnecessary and didn’t even want in the slightest, I got kinda excited to see more daredevil and kingpin but watching it was a whole other thing. This is now probably my third favorite Disney plus series right behind Loki and moon knight and I can’t wait for more stuff like it. I especially really appreciated how they did the Native American culture. While I didn’t really dislike it kahorri in her own episode was really overshadowed by all the Native American culture and worldbuilding in my opinion. She didn’t feel like she had much depth or character traits in general, it was just here’s Native American culture which is cool, but I don’t wanna be watching a documentary in my superhero show. I feel like echo did this far better, not only are the characters far more vastly different but the mythology plays into the themes of the show and literally explore the character traits of echo rather than overshadow them. I know it’s a lot easier to do over what like 4-5 hours then a 30 minute episode but I still feel like this was far better. Between this and Ms marvel I’m learning so much about culture while getting great stories, not just documentaries about their cultures. I’m curious if we’re gonna get a defenders 2.0 with daredevil, echo, maybe hawkeye or kate bishop, maybe punisher if he really comes back, and Spider-Man hopefully. That would be so cool to see.

@AbitofEverything4U

6 ай бұрын

Excellent feedback on the show...Similar to you, I also liken it to Ms. Marvel in that both shows really did a great job of letting me learn about a different culture but not feel like it's being "taught" to me. I also never felt like the cultural elements were forced or shoehorned it. It was just a natural part of the overall story. Kudos to Marvel for giving us these types of character driven stories that also teach us about things that a large number of the viewers had never heard or seen before. And yeah really looking forward to a Defenders 2.0!

@markdarc0448

6 ай бұрын

@@AbitofEverything4U couldn’t agree more!

@AbitofEverything4U

6 ай бұрын

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I agree. There's no way Fisk would still have that hammer simply because how stupid would Fisk and his mother have to have been to have kept a murder weapon?

@AbitofEverything4U

6 ай бұрын

Right...I suspect the Kingpin had it disposed of for sure. Totally agree!

I've been so wary of the MCU lately. These breakdowns really help me feel like I'm back in Phase 3 again!

@AbitofEverything4U

6 ай бұрын

Awesome...so glad you enjoy them. I have alot of fun putting them together!

Since daredevil born against being TVMA The punisher getting his own series, TVMA or a movie being rated R Marvel studios doing more darker mature content, but also connecting the PG13 side

@AbitofEverything4U

6 ай бұрын

Right...it's kinda wild to see the TV-MA content connecting to the PG-13 content. I can hear a bunch of teens saying "mom, pleeeeease can I watch Echo...it's all connected!"

The show overall was very good. The fight sequences were cool. I really loved the first four episodes. The representation of native cultures was very cool. But the last episode was a little weird. I guess they wanted to pull off a final battle like other Disney+ shows, but for me, it did not fit very well with the overall story. One more thing is that I did not like Echo having supernatural powers. The thing we love about Daredevil and Kingpin is their hand-to-hand fighting skills and not that they have some powers. That's why Iron Fist and Jessica Jones are not as popular as Daredevil. But I hope they don't make Echo use her power too much in fights, but only in certain situations.

@AbitofEverything4U

6 ай бұрын

Well said. I think you did a great job of summarizing the things I liked and the things I didn't like about the series. The first for episodes had alot to love and the finale fell abit flat for me. I think her supernatural powers are interesting, but I don't know that I understand where she will go from here with them. I do hope they find a way to bring her into the street-level storyline, but you are right that I find Daredevil alot more interesting due to his hand-to-hand fighting skills and it seems Echo has moved away from that. Regardless, I enjoyed the series and I can't wait for DD: Born Again to arrive!

Great video! I'm curious, because they put Echo in with the defenders, do you think that could mean another defenders show/movie is on the way. I can dream.

@AbitofEverything4U

6 ай бұрын

That would be awesome...I'd be so down for another Defenders series!

Maya might not have even known the interpreter was killed. She wouldn’t be able to hear the struggle. Maybe that’s why he didn’t have her killed right in front of Maya

@AbitofEverything4U

6 ай бұрын

Good point! The only reason I wondered is because there's a different interpreter each time they have dinner (we see three different ones in the flashbacks), so it seemed Maya may have been aware. But you could be right that she never understood what was happening.