thank you, God be with you

Fantastic video! Thank you for clarifying so much : )

Very good, well laid out. I really appreciated the analogy of the right leg and the human soul existing without the body. I'm currently studying the the verse of Luke 2:40 and the humanity and divinity of Christ. And as I was reading a few commentaries this particular heresy had come up, and I needed a quick yet thorough explanation of what this heresy consisted of and well I found it! Thanks again for the video. God bless you.

Very good explanation. I never understood this before!

If it is appropriate to think as incarnated beings then why must we be saved ?

@justingrove5190

2 жыл бұрын

Hilda, I'm not sure I understand what you are trying to ask? Why would it not being wrong to think while having a body mean that we don't need to be saved?

@hildazeigler4664

2 жыл бұрын

If the type of soul we have and or mind we have is appropriate to the physical existence then why must it be saved? Silly question, my apologies.

@justingrove5190

2 жыл бұрын

@@hildazeigler4664 Not a silly question, I just wanted to make sure that I understood it. I think underlying your question is the assumption that somehow what we need saving from is our bodies and thus if our bodies are appropriate to our nature then there is nothing to be saved from. The reason I asked my question back was to see if I was right in guessing that assumption and I think that based on your response I am. What we need to be saved from is not our body, but our sin. Specifically, our sin is related to our concupiscence which is our inability to love as we should or our inability to prioritize properly/treat things as though they were as important as they are/value things properly. This is the reason why Christ says: “You shall love the Lord your God with all your heart, and with all your soul, and with all your mind. This is the great and first commandment. And a second is like it, You shall love your neighbor as yourself. On these two commandments depend all the law and the prophets” (Mt 22:37-40). The point of the OT and thus --given the context-- NT religion ("law and prophets") is the act of loving. The way we don't love properly is that we desire to be like God in that we attempt to decide for ourselves what is good and evil (that is to say what is of value and what isn't/what is a certain way and what isn't) (Gen 3:4-5). God, as Christ says above, is meant to be at the pinnacle of our value hierarchy and also meant to be the ground of all being. We have attempted to place ourselves there. In so doing, we have attempted to make our own will the most powerful thing in the universe. Ironically, this causes us, like Satan (Gen 3:14), to value material things more because they do not have will which can oppose our own. Moreover, God has removed from us certain "preternatural" gifts over our bodies (Gen 3:16-19) which we had before the Fall. The purpose of these is to put a greater restraint upon our will because He wishes to stress upon us that our will is not supreme. So salvation is the process by which God forgives us for the offenses we have committed against Him and also reorders our hearts so as to value and thus choose the way that we ought. When the process is over for all of humanity, all will be returned to their bodies and the saved will regain their preternatural gifts because there will no longer be a need to stress our metaphysical noncentrality. But that reality will still be a bodily one.

it sounds like your only argument is Christ's soul isn't appropriate for a human body... a statement I can barely interpret, but still sounds more heretical than Apollinaris

@justingrove5190

2 жыл бұрын

How so?

@nonavad

2 жыл бұрын

@@justingrove5190 well I haven't watched any of your other videos, I will though, just this video was really well done in itself! I could be wrong, but it seems the style of this video is meant to be at least somewhat like that of a historian, and you've done a great job, such a good job that from seeing just this video, I have a fairly limited idea of where you stand amongst some of the topics you're discussing historically, but also theologically and philosophically... maybe not until I bother to watch more of your videos will I know more of what you believe, for all I know you're an atheist really interested in theology, but I'm just generally assuming you're trying to explain why Apollinaris was necessarily a heretic, but what I saw was that you did a great job of implying the weaknesses of the arguments against Apollinaris, really except for an implied argument that maybe Christ's soul isn't thought able to be appropriate for His creation, therefore Apollinarianism must be heretical... I've watched this video twice now, maybe you can clear up what I'm missing, cheers for the great content, I'll be watching more

@justingrove5190

2 жыл бұрын

@@nonavad First, I appreciate the compliments, but you don't need to worry about being overly abrasive or anything. I'm a Catholic, a theology grad student, and at one point was a teacher of theology but have since moved into teaching science and math because of the opportunities before me. I also don't know who you are so I don't know what assumptions you are starting with, so I decided to put the ball back in your court for that reason. Let me see if I can try to make the argument more explicit: 1. God the Son, the Second Person of the Holy Trinity, is by nature God and is thus a spirit. 2. However, he also became a human being and thus by nature is also human. 3. Human beings consist of a soul (which is a spirit) and a body. 4. Therefore, per 2 and 3, Christ must have a soul and a body as a human. The question which Apolinarianism raises is whether or not the spirit which is God the Son, as God, is identical with the the spirit which is the soul of Christ. The answer Apollinaris gives to this question is yes; the answer the Church ultimate gave to the question is no. The reason why the answer is no is not because "Christ's soul isn't thought able to be appropriate for His creation" (I'm not really sure what you mean by that), but that a human soul is a particular kind of spirit (a spirit which is appropriate to being the animating principle behind a human body) and the spirit which God the Son is as God is not that kind of spirit. Therefore, he cannot be human without having/being two kinds of spirit. This implies that a particular type of body suggests a certain type of soul, and since Christ, as God, does not have a body, His spirit as God is not the type of spirit you find animating a human body. How/why would that be heretical/problematic? I'm also curious why you think that I'm implying the arguments are bad?