It is antithetical for human society to be governed by corporate models of behavior and ethics.

@Breakfast_of_Champions

Жыл бұрын

Eventually nature will find a way😉

You all have really great insights. Great segment!

@TheDoomWizard

Жыл бұрын

You might like my channel too.

Where is the evidence Elon Musk is an engineering genius? It seems more likely he is good at securing investment and marketing while others do the value creation.

A Good Week of Blackout will pull the Plug on "Cloud Capital"...🙄

Why is no one in media, esp left media, constantly criticizing Elon for not putting all Twttr algorithms on Github like he promised the public?

@user-wl2xl5hm7k

Жыл бұрын

Just constantly hold him to the fire. It’s not complicated…. Journalists don’t know how to do their jobs

@user-wl2xl5hm7k

Жыл бұрын

Algorithms for communication between users must be fully public, otherwise discussion is inherently oppressive (esp to working class people) censored & shadow-banned. Nearly everyone understands this on an intuitive level.

@sept1ne

Жыл бұрын

@@user-wl2xl5hm7k what exactly do you mean by your reference to class?

@user-wl2xl5hm7k

Жыл бұрын

@@sept1ne Censorship hurts them more than everyone else. They have less avenues to make up for the oppressiveness of censorship than non-working class people. But that seems pretty obvious to me. Feel free to share the non-obvious reasons you’re thinking of too here. Though that’s a non-substantive point. Can you please address the substantive points I made? Lots of good arguments and causes here.

@marinajordao8141

Жыл бұрын

Very interesting debait.

Really loved the discussion I am a fan already 👍❤️ from Germany

Can we agree to abandon the word “elite” in reference to the rich? Please…

It's quite an indictment of the level of political sophistication in the world that Twitter has any influence in that domain. A snippet generator should be a forum limited to celebrity and fashion babble

interesting last point from yannis, tho i was expecting the end of the argument to criticize how hate speech and misinformation get amplified and blown out of proportion online, which is mostly the case because these platforms make money from our attention.

Interesting analysis. Thank you

Excellent. I always tell my pairs that all these media platforms should be common carriers. I guess political reasoning like the one here would suggest a public service status. Also: I don't see this as a left-wing struggle. Outside the very small circle of "cloud capitalists" no group of people benefits from the current state of things.

Also, why speculate on what Elon Musk thinks? The real question is where the web is going. How do we make a difference in the digital domain? How do we influence the future of the internet?

Yanis, your comments on Elon Musks alleged genius seems to suggest a sadly inegalitarian captivation by the fiction of a contra- causal free will, which seems inconsistent with a commitment to a scientific socialism and the essentially levelling and democratizing understanding of social and personal causality. Pls forgive me if I misread your tone, which is quite possible, which seemed to suggest forgetfulness that " kein gehirn denkt allein", and all that implies for the privatisation idol.

~46.50m Really?? ~56m Doesn't make any sense. Forget about diem type, that simply promotes self-immolation of non fash. Yanis at end? Simply naive? Ridiculous

I might have misunderstood Yanis's closing remarks about not banning hate speech, which I mostly agree with in principle, but I am not sure what his view is concerning online bullying. Some minors have been driven to suicide by it, so it seems to me that instances of this need to be detected and stopped. If this falls under the rubric of law enforcement and there are already broadly-agreed laws against it, then fine, I have no problem with people expressing toxic views while the political-economic organization of society as a whole moves, one urges, in the direction of becoming less toxic

@davidryan7386

Жыл бұрын

Reducing a humans suicide to online comments alone is psychologically dubious af. Only a weak damaged home life can lead to the words of strangers or bots online maybe even random, killing themselves. The child's poor life was the gun. The online convo merely the trigger. Whatever cult of snowflakes leads to a harvest of snowflakes, melted by any hard word....that level of crisis and it is, needs more than online hate speech laws. It will always be a tricky area. I admit.

@whoolawoop6817

Жыл бұрын

There are things which are illegal already! You can and must go after bullys any time! And teenagers driven into suicide usually are victims of their stupid teenage "friends" at school. There's a lot to do for parents, teachers, police and society as a whole to make kids aware and think about their online behaviour! In our schools we do have programs where police goes in the classrooms doing workshops to inform and discuss with the students what is at stake...

Revealing how the manipulation of Twitter accounts and comments by the democratic party and their befriended secret services worked is definitely a good thing.

Yanis, how do you sort through all the skatà you get oh Twitter when there are only 24 hours in the day? I enrolled with Facebook recently and now my email address is terminally constipated. 😟

If genius has no humanity, morality or compassion so what?

Free peaches ,only 5.99 a month.

Listen to Douglas Gabriel and Michael McKibben Elon Musk video on American Intelligence Media. Very interesting, so is this.

Guys, out of around 2000 in the World (nearly 1000 in US alone), for years and years you have been focusing on criticizing on well known, perhaps just 5 or 6 billionaires from media, that is all. The irony that they are probably the most creative and transparent what they do. Who is going to investigate on the rest of them?? Why aren't they on media? Have they been doing much more shady business, based on drugs, human trafficking or financial frauds?

Bad start varis. Elon musk is not an engineer genious. He is not even an engineer. And all of his contributions to his business were very bad. In the words of the implied people.

It is a move to gain more power. Yanis may be receiving online attacks, but that is for an ideological position. Others are being attacked for merely existing as who they are, and this is being encouraged by Elon. Another future digital network needs to be proactively created, instead of sticking with racists and bigots for clout on their platforms.

I think this debate about Twitter and accumulation of digital world by individuals should be separated from the debate about Musk himself, on the other hand he is interesting if you want more clicks. Seems like the future of the digital world is Chinese version of the everything app vs big capital western version of it.

i hope, before i see it that yanis, a revolutionary and a Light will at least somewhat recognize the ultimate revolutionary and LIGHT elon is trying to defeat the present status quo, by playing as fairly as possible, by its own corrupt rules, in which he had no hand in making he realized that change from within is the best bet i know most here will see me as crazy but im betting it all, that history will prove me right i wonder if i am the only one in these circles who really sees what is really going on again, history, if it exists in the future, will show i forget, sorry, nuance is too hard its best you ignore all this and consider as if elon=jeff bezos etc unaugmented humans cant do too much at once, and since i largely support the cause here. forget about absolute truth. just do your thing, i understand edit:i see later Light gives LIGHT some credit. thank you, this helps with my potential cognitive dissonance. i now know i am right in my understanding of yanis and elons roles, both agents of the same force, fighting different fights for the same goal. i can see way past the surface squabbling, the core of truth. and it helps i read bob renaud, thank god for that. va i Luce

When will Yannis go on the joe Rogan podcast?

@AntonKuznetsovMusic

Жыл бұрын

@Red Rebel this might be true. But then again - both will look equally bold.

@AntonKuznetsovMusic

Жыл бұрын

@Red Rebel only with Bernie

@smerdiyakov

Жыл бұрын

When he is invited I assume... Yanis is one of the few political figures I know that will really go on wide spectrum of shows.

@AntonKuznetsovMusic

Жыл бұрын

@@smerdiyakov that's true. We still need to see Yanis on JRE, Lex Fridman, Red Scare and the royal rumble over at JP's joint.

If Elon Musk is the genius Varoufakis claims to be based on inside information as he says, I don't understand why he shouldn't have what he has and even more. The argument that the average man wouldn't accomplish as much as Musk did with his initial capital rises the question on whos hands should economic power be, to the every day people or to the enlightened few who can shape the future. One share -one vote for every worker in a company Yanis says at the end but can you imagine Musk trying to persuade a moron like myself that the combination of the shashi and the battery is the Colombus egg for the automotive industry of tomorrow. If so Tesla would have never existed.

@KeekeOrb

Жыл бұрын

Elon did not found Tesla company, he joined later as an investor. He is good at promoting himself, but he is not an engineer, or an inventor or a genius. I recommend "Elon Musk is not your frend" video by Some More Nevs KZread channel.

@user-jp7mb4ns7x

Жыл бұрын

@@KeekeOrb I have seen it and I agree yet Yanis thinks otherwise.

@KeekeOrb

Жыл бұрын

@@user-jp7mb4ns7x I guess the myth of Elon Musk ìs so pervasive that even Yanis fell for it? Elon said "we will coup whoever we want" about Bolivia. That is not a type of person that should be in charge of other people.

Looking at this video now in june 2023 and even when it happened it is clear Yannis is not open to any interpretation offered in the beginning. He puts some sort of psychological spin on it. Citizen Kane! He couldnt be further from the truth. It is so obvious that only a person of intelligence can make such a claim thinking he figured it all out..

@mariettestabel275

9 ай бұрын

Yanis is a Very Intelligent and Honest person He knows Very well what's he's talking about. Greeks-the Light of the World. 💫

I believe Elon is doing this for publicity and because he simply has so much money that he can do whatever he wants.

When are the aliens going to take over the planet? They seem to be our only hope.

Great conversation. Thank you DiEM25 for giving us hope. However, one very important aspect that was missed by all participants about Elon Musk is all the funding his companies receive from the US Government. SpaceX is pretty much a contractor to NASA, and as far as we can assume, SpaceX probably also works for the Pentagon. Recently they just announced the development of a satellite internet system for the US armed forces, which was probably just a proforma announcement as Starlink looks very much like such system and has been around for years. And Tesla would not be around without enormous injections of money from the Department of Energy, justified as "investments on green energy for the transition". That excuse does not make any sense, as anyone who has seen a Tesla car can attest that "sporty snotty one person cars" are definitely not the solution for sustainable mobility. My humble opinion? Musk is a character, a clown to distract and confuse society. He brags about free speech, while being part of the US military industrial complex. He garns support from the libertarians posing as a misfit, defending crypto to "stick up the system" but he uses that same system to prop up the shares value of his Tesla company which produces less than a fifth of Toyota. He's playing his part on the narrative that the plutocrats wants us to consume, which is that society needs a "preacher to defend free speech". No we don't. As Erik Edman said, we definitely shouldn't need a billionaire guaranteeing the right of free speech.

Subtitles?

@edwardjones2202

Жыл бұрын

Huh

@davidcadman4468

Жыл бұрын

@@edwardjones2202 Click CC and it is not on for closed caption, for people like myself, who have hearing disabilities.

@smerdiyakov

Жыл бұрын

@@davidcadman4468 Normally it's on, then the automatically generated CC gets replaced by transcript and some times other language translations a week or so after the stream by Diem25.

My definition of Elon Musk: the guy who in his teens overdosed on Star Trek and now believes he is part of the Next Generation

@mariettestabel275

4 ай бұрын

💯.

Yannis, I thank you for unequaled clarity. I see you as a humanist, one who cares about where we are headed and spans the political/economic spectrum. I think that if you did not idenitify yourself as a lefty, you would have alot more people taking up your causes.

Great interview thank you .. THOUGHT … isnt the Bitcoin blockchain and its 2nd layer lightening extreme cheap payment open sourced network also a chat / messenger platform that is a public run platform supported by proof of clean energy work .. please have a show on the unknown tech of Bitcoin .. saifadeam author of tge Bitcoin standard would be a good start .. ✌️👏🍻

He wants freedom of speech

@tethergobrrr

Жыл бұрын

He couldn’t care less about fee speech. And neither could you, unless you spend as much time discussing institutional gag policies, billionaires using libel laws to quash criticism and the use of non-disclosure agreements as you do the ability of idiots on the internet to say whatever they like.

@DiEM25 Italy's "Il Fatto Quotidiano" daily news conference HAS a donate button in the live chat that works great. They are in Italy, so hopefully you should be able to do the same.