I feel for Johnathan. There is a fine line between building confidence and destroying it. Neither of you had the right bike for that terrain, both were overloaded and Johnathan has road tyres on his. I think you have to remember that he has very little experience in off road riding and confidence is built gradually, not by jumping in at the deep end before you can swim. You both did very well to get through it but build gradually. If there is no enjoyment then what is the point.

@davidmassey3364

2 жыл бұрын

I agree, motorcycling is a progressive activity. I started riding off road in Montana on a 90cc Yamaha trail bike. Then 100cc then a Yamaha 250 Enduro and twenty plus motorcycles later I ride a Harley-Davidson Pan America. And a bike that heavy and that powerful makes it a challenge at times, but 60 years of riding is the deciding factor. I don’t ride as good as I did when I was twenty, but at 70 I can still get out there. It didn’t happen all at once, I started small and took my lumps with small light bikes. I would recommend to any new rider to do the same.

@jessrumblin

2 жыл бұрын

TOTALY AGREE! Jonathan (and Kenneth) need to adapt your own riding styles, like "you don't necessarily need to stand up on the pegs just because you're on an adventure bike" standing on the pegs was to remove unbound weight when on rough terrain to help the bike traverse the ground. Also going up hill it's better to move one's weight over the tank and weigh the front wheel, over different terrain you move your body around, like in turning tight turns etc..,don't turn Jonathan off the wonderful experience of motorcycle riding

Jonathan is right. First, he does not have the skills to ride the TET. Second, he has a heavy and loaded bike. Third, he has the wrong tires. As Jonathan said, difficulty should increase little by little. Going down a steep rocky hill without skills has nothing to do with trusting in yourself. And, sorry to say, Kenneth is not experienced enough to teach Jonathan. Just telling him to believe in himself is not teaching him. But anyways. Hopefully you learned something during this section. And if Kenneth reflects on his behavior, he is hopefully a bit easier on Jonathan.

@Zarrtosht

2 жыл бұрын

Well said, totally agree!

@steve.afendoulis

2 жыл бұрын

yeah mate, the tyres alone are shockingly an obvious element that makes the poor guy suffer so much more than he has to. That’s really challenging terrain I’d probably refuse to tackle without a light bike, unloaded on aggressive off-road tyres. Balance, throttle-control, clutch-control isn’t a concern because I have it from a kid, Johnathan is certainly getting a “baptism by fire” and it’ll get him muscle memory, but it’s dangerous bro- you’re loaded up for tarmac and light off-road. Have you got an emergency locator device- a Garmin Communicator or something?

@taswr

2 жыл бұрын

Yep we’ll said. Jon is actually the better rider, with more experience he’s going to be awesome. Ken just thinks he’s good but is technically quite bad at riding.

@roblange1445

2 жыл бұрын

Totally agree. Also can’t believe the amount of gear Kenneth is carrying!...a lot of RTW guys have half that🤷‍♂️

@OSR_1

2 жыл бұрын

Agree. Very poor preparation and judgement being displayed here by the main chap.

I’m an experienced rider but I empathize with Jonathan. You have to let him “reset” his confidence. The fear is real. I’ve been there.

@RidetheBean

2 жыл бұрын

Oh I am aware the fear is real, but it only gets in your way. Fear is good some times, but some times it is there for no reason. Those times you need you get out of your own head.

@LuckyNikitaBoba

2 жыл бұрын

@@RidetheBean I agree with you but it’s very hard to overcome that mental fear in the moment. Four days ago I crashed and fell off the cliff down 10 meters into the river. For the next two hours, I lost all of my confidence. It took a lot of mental strength to overcome the fear to be able to continue the ride. Sections that was easy became mentally hard and I couldn’t do it. My friend had to ride that section for me. Be that friend, you may have to ride a difficult section for him. Good luck though. Definitely he needs to replace those tires!

@JulieLorraine1

2 жыл бұрын

Kenneth had a very severe accident not long ago. If anyone knows how to overcome your fears it is him.

@StoltHD

2 жыл бұрын

@@JulieLorraine1 - Kenneth have to much of a "i give a shit if I live or die" mentality... can't have that type of mentality when you ride with a partner...

@onenoodles

2 жыл бұрын

@@JulieLorraine1 He does .. it was awful and took balls to get through it ... not sure its been a 'lesson learned' though, some of his responses to the comments section suggest that.

Ditch those tyres for Jonathan, ditch the half of your luggage and stick to easier trails for the time being. He needs a few good fun days off road.

I feel for Jonathan; Very challenging for a first off road trip; You guys have different bikes, and the heavy luggage, doesn't help navigate a little easier. So, it must be harder to maneuver and control the bikes on such uneven terrain. I hope you guys make it to the bottom of the mountain safely.

❤️ you Jonathan, your a real asset to the ride the bean channel. You got this buddy, believe in yourself 🤘🤘

nice adventure. Ken, I see your point pushing forward, trying to make Jonathan more confident. Just keep in mind, we have all been in Jonathan boots and we all react differently. Sometimes pushing someone has opposite effects. It has to come from within. Besides, this is supposed to be fun, not for later memories, but at the moment as well.

Well, all I can say is you both did extremely well in very difficult terrain, but I'm just sooo impressed with how far Johnathon has come in such a short time. When we find ourselves in these situations, we just have to deal with it, and you did. Cheers and all the very best to you both.

Being realistic about ones skill set and wishing to reassess the travelling plans/route is NOT being negative ..its being honest ..!!!..Ken ..pushing and having a never quit attitude is admirable.. but needs to be tempered with honesty/reality or you just become a bull in a china shop..!! ..Personally.. i see that neither of you should be on this lvl of adv riding trail...your both way overloaded .. !! your both beginners and need to grow your skills on less difficult rides before hitting seriously difficult paths..!!.. Expecting to learn on the fly, when your way out skilled, is a Dangerous mindset. But what do i know with 52 yrs exp on motorcycles. Carry on !!!

@spookysea-monster5297

2 жыл бұрын

Exactly. I was having this conversation with Kenneth on the previous episodes and he refuses to understand how dangerous this trip is for Jonathan. He’s taking someone from 0 skill to level 8 roads when he should be only tackling a level 2 road. Ridiculous.

@expatbiker6598

2 жыл бұрын

I think they can do it but they should forget time schedule. More breaks and slower speed. Even walking the path before riding the path on hard places. May be even setup camp for 2 days in a place you can horn off road confidence through practises.

@Alfa4

2 жыл бұрын

@@expatbiker6598 this, also Jonathan should just change his bike for a 300cc dual sport

@gladeamatoren7106

2 жыл бұрын

Absolutely agree. Really hope Jonathan get his motivation back after that experience, and Kenneth change their routeplan. No more TET for them.

@jimjoelliejack

2 жыл бұрын

I am in total agreement, Ken needs to slow it down to Jonathan’s level. I hope it doesn’t end up with another disaster.

Man, toughest ride you’ve done. I feel Jonathan’s pain. Confidence and mental strength are hard to build. My theory is not to focus on the obstacle but the destination or the outcome. Otherwise the obstacle grows and may even seem Insurmountable. If I can look through the obstacle to the finish it makes it smaller. That hot shower, cold beer, hearty dinner, comfy bed and great nights sleep have got me through many shitty days at work. Kudos to you both, wish I was there (maybe not on that mountain). What a challenge and what a great life experience. Much respect for embarking on this journey & sharing it with us. Peace ✌🏻

There is a fine line between comfort and to much discomfort where learning takes place. Yes, get out of your comfort zone, but if you go to far you get into the panic zone and don’t learn sh*t. I drove my 1200gs through parts of the French tet. After 2-3 hours per day of struggle I needed some refueling with riding through terrain where I was comfortable. I learned a lot during that week, and subsequently really enjoyed the easier parts of the tet in the Italian alps. But enough was enough, to push beyond that for some mind Jedi stuff is borderline dangerous and counterproductive. Respect your and other peoples boundaries while pushing them…

Going downhill is twice as hard as going up. I feel for Jonathan and his frustrations, and you’re a good motivator. I need to practice your positive attitude. It’s a good lesson! Glad you’re filming both the good and bad from the trip so we can really experience the whole thing with you. Mirrors are cheap so no worries. Plus he can upgrade to better than stock. Jonathan, in the darkest moments, is learning the most. It just doesn’t feel that way at the time. Major credit to Jonathan for sticking with it and not blowing a gasket!

Great work btw, is amazing how Jonathan has developed his skills in such a short amount of time🤘 keep rocking brothers

Johnathon, your biggest problem is starting off road riding with a fully loaded 900cc bike. You should be on a 125cc but you can still salvage the situation. Proper clutch and brake control is everything. Stay off the clutch as much as possible. Braking is what is causing you to fall so much. If you look at the cliff that is where the bike will go. Look where you want the bike to go. And leave the front brake alone when going down hill. Roll over the rocks with some speed and stay off the front brake. Standing up is causing you many problems. Sit on the seat for better control.

Glad to see you both ‘ save’ down that mountain. And by following your insta’s I see that you still enjoy the journey.

@RidetheBean

2 жыл бұрын

Hehe thanks 😊 Yeah we are about a month ahead of the videos, so right now we are in Gibraltar 😛

Feel bad for your friend, off road is sooooo fun. I wish he had proper tireas and had time to practice more before he joined you, he was thrown in to it a bit quickly. But I'm sure that he will be glad he did it afterwards, just give him a lot of possetive feedback and pats on his shoulder. His confidence is at the bottom, and it would been much easier down that road if you just stood up and followed the flow and using the rear break. But I know it's hard, especially if you are a bit scared falling over the edge, or not being able to turn tight enough, and for sure all the packing makes it harder. Keep at it boys :)

This is the best vídeo! You have drama, you have adventure, you have overcoming of your own limits and fears. All Jonathan needs is rest and confidence. Many of us wouldn't do what you did. And congratulations for Kenneth who keeps his good mood and a good speech of motivation. Well done guys. Keep going!

@RidetheBean

2 жыл бұрын

Thank you so much 😊 This was a really nice comment to read after all the shit people are giving me for pushing Jonathan too hard 😂 This was the way I felt about it too 😛

@J.Assens

2 жыл бұрын

@@RidetheBean Kenneth you asked for our opinions and you get them Don't cry because 90% of these try to tell you to relax a little with Jonathan. U think he knew what he got into when he say yes to rude with you, but how je should know?

poor old Johnathan. I hope he can build his confidence, get better at this stuff and realise how much fun it really is. there is so much more of this fantastic world to see when you are able to get off the beaten track.

Am feeling sorry for Jonathan. He's been growing so much, but it's very hard to do with no experience on such a big bike with so much luggage. Even with a lighter DRZ it can be challenging and that one is at least 100kilo lighter than his Triumph. Allready offered him that whenever he visits The Netherlands he can send me a message. Am more then willing to go ride sand etc with my two lighter DRZ's. That will help him a bit. Safe travels and do try to enjoy a little. The TET in Spain can be very challenging and some parts are not doable with big bikes and when you are not called Chris Birch 🙈

@slyfoxADV

2 жыл бұрын

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Completely agree with Jonathan. Should be about enjoyment and not hardship.

@RidetheBean

2 жыл бұрын

That depends on what the goal is. Part of the enjoyment is the hardships. It is all about how you choose to look at a situation

@maalmiksa7409

2 жыл бұрын

@@RidetheBean maybe but I look at the situation as not everything is about the TET. One or both of ye could get serious hurt and bikes getting destroyed. Bikes look way to packed with luggage for that terrain.

Hi! I'm from Figueres. I hope you had a good time in town. I hope you enjoy the rest of Spain

Jonathan we have all been in these situations and as a viewer of your Progress from street bike to off roading YOU have visually improved . I do hope you can dig deep and get this challenge done. Maybe when you guys set up camp you can remove all the bags and do some enjoyable off road riding to build confidence

Well done to Kenneth and Johnathan, however, the mountain trail seems to have been too great of a challenge to you both. When you have a chance, get some practice on easier dirt roads to help build Johnathan's confidence and also to understand the fundamentals of speed requirements in offroad riding. Peace ✌🏍🤩

Congratulations you both made it. I admire your riding with all that stuff and those tires gotta go. Good job!

@RidetheBean

2 жыл бұрын

Thank you 😊 it was tough, but fun 😛

Great video. I can empathize with you having been on similar stuff on a Super Tenere on a couple of hot humid 35 Degee C days two years back on my first forays into off road riding. Repeated crashes and pickups by myself, especially tricky on steep rocky sections, really sapped my strength to exhaution...then self preservation kicked in and I resorted to going super slow rock to rock or rut to rut...knowing that it's more work and more energy sapping that letting the wheels run but not wanting to risk one more tip over. After a couple of such experiences I downsized my bike to a Husqvarna 701 LR and the lighter weight improved my confidence and ability dramatically. I have learned, just like you said in the video, that you get better and get a lot of satisfaction by taking on and conquering harder stuff, and once you do it the next time is a lot easier and fun. I have learned that with the right amount of extra speed the bike can roll right through some knarly rough looking loose stuff, whereas too slow can make it harder and result in a crash. But I have also learned I need to travel as Light as Possible, especially with camping gear and tools even on the 701LR....until I become much more expert I think I would be better off on on an even lighter bike. To get as light as possible I swopped out my Mosko Moto bags for Enduristan, went with a very light tent, ditched my heavy Klim jacket and pants ( the ones you have I think !!) in favor or lighter gear from Mosko, using a Seperate from the jacket body armor system...only putting on a light shell top when raining or very cold. This lightweight layering system works great, allowing you to stay as cool as possible especially when working hard on these tricky Rocky lanes, lessening the exhaustion factor and staying safer as a result.

@RidetheBean

2 жыл бұрын

Yeah if I was going on weekend trips or a couple of weeks here and there that would be the way to go. But that is not really what my journey is about. The riding would absolutely be easier with less stuff, but the other 4/5ths of the time I would not enjoy the way I want to.

Hats off for showing this video! It is so easy to sit on the sofa, consuming content and judge about omissions and errors. This is what many commenters here do. You both got into trouble - that is a fact, and in this situation it is not helpful and saving to think about why you are in this situation (bike to big, blablablabla), you must only act and think how to get savely out. And this is exactly what you Kenneth did very very good, also you Jon went over borders. Now it's time to reflect and learn for future - I am sure you do and will. ciao Haro

@RidetheBean

2 жыл бұрын

Thank you!!! 😅 Finally someone who understood what I was trying to do 😂 If we could start over we would do it differently, but in the situation we had to deal with what was happening. Jonathan had to get out of his head. He could get down as safe as possible and although my approach may not be the most diplomatic one, I was trying to make him realize that he just need to start believing he can do it, and he will be able to. He is a newbie, but with a lot more skill than many experienced riders. He just struggle with convincing himself that he can some times 😛

Keep up the good work Jonathan you can do it 🤘

I get that Jonathan is frustrated, and as many have already commented, he will need a day off to reset his fear and confidence. That said, I hope he understands how much of an entertainment factor he's adding to this channel. I was watching each episode prior to Jonathan joining, but watching him struggle makes these clips even more relatable and takes me back to when I just started. While there was nothing you could do on the top of the mountain to ease his fears, definitely hear him out when he's genuinely terrified and if necessary take the harder parts for him. He'll learn watching you as well. Keep up the great content! 👍

@RidetheBean

2 жыл бұрын

Thank you 😊 Yeah it has been a lot of fun traveling together with him 😛 We’ve become retry good friends I would say 😊 And yeah you are right. And I did. I’ve always told him that if he really does not want to do something I will always be there to help him. All he has to do is ask me. But alive also told him to push himself to his own limit. He has never been close to it before, so it is good to know where it is. Remember that what you see on camera is not the whole trip or conversation. Just the most interesting parts that ai managed to get on camera. We are supporting and helping each other the whole way. But we just tend to look at certain things very differently.

I have browsed through the previous reactions and am not surprised that this episode brought up a strong debate. I recognise myself in both characters. The desperate beginner and the mental coach. "Fun" can become a "struggle" when you push it too far. A "challenge" can becomes a "nightmare" ....But at a certain point you must check your options. Re-energise and carry on or abort. No shame. I have been riding too heavy bikes with too much luggage on sometimes too difficult roads. Realising I was not improving my skills anymore I have set my limits and will not go beyond them, even when encouraged by a "mental coach". Anyway, hats off, Jonathan. Good bike, good gear. Use them as a means to live great adventures .

@RidetheBean

2 жыл бұрын

Hehe yeah I agree. But some times one has to experience something to find out where the limit is. Like I’ve said this was not a planned thing. We just ended up there and had to make the best of it 😛 And although it was very hard, we both learned a lot from it. 😛

@bobdemeyer6944

2 жыл бұрын

@@RidetheBean You are right. One needs to explore its own limits and push them until the highest level of satisfaction is reached. It would be a shame not to try, in any case.

That was a tough road. I have felt the same way as Jonathon when reaching pavement after a long stretch of difficult dirt road. He has come a long way since first getting the Triumph and I know from posts on your Instagram that he's gotten better tires for that terrain. Wishing safe travels for the two of you.

Well done to both of you. Jonathon has good riding skills and will keep improving if he keeps taking on new challenges. I can see why some people are being critical at Kenneth but neither of you were injured and you have achieved a ride that a lot of these naysayers will never have the opportunity to do.

You guys are tough man, this is the most exciting episode i ever seen before! I felt with Jonatan but it was the best way to build up your confidence!

Well done Beanies! A memorable ride for sure! At least you won't need to go to the gym after all that lifting! 😉👍

@RidetheBean

2 жыл бұрын

Hehe no this was enough fun for a week 😅

To my brother Jonathan,keep learning you will achieve and you are just doing good.Don't look yourself down my brother.Have faith in you.Don't give up and just put your mind together and just focused.Your just good..

@slyfoxADV

2 жыл бұрын

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Jonathan - you have the right to maintain your boundaries. I think it makes a lot of sense to listen to your intuition in terms of your skill level and approach to safety. Kenneth, i really appreciate your pep talk and i completely understand your goals. I think it helps to validate your partner and perhaps next time a little more compassion and validation will go a long way towards successful encouragement? For some people physical safety is very important. Just my thought and response to your question.

@RidetheBean

2 жыл бұрын

Hehe well… validating is good, but not always. In this situation I completely understood what he was saying and I would agree in most scenarios. But in this particular one we were on top of a mountain. We had to get down. He was saying things that were not really accurate. You know better than most how I tend to talk myself down in many situations. In this one he was talking himself down. His skill is way better than he want a to admit. He will never say he was good unless he surpasses a pretty high lever very quickly. Like me, in many cases. What I was doing was what you are trying to do with me. Just in my way. This is the way I learn things. Both in the army and in life. Being told “get it together and do it” Especially in physical situations that is a great way to give a kick in the ass in my opinion. But he is not used to that and needs to handled more gentle. We have the same goals, just different approaches 🙂 Physical safety is important. But there is no point in being afraid of what won’t hurt you physically. A little bruise here and there yes, but. At these speeds the risk of serious injury is low. So the fear is kind of pointless. Save it for when it actually can hurt you. I know you probably disagree with that, but that’s fine 😅

A tough section. Well done Beanster and Junior Beanster. There are always alternatives. There is nothing wrong with doing different routes and meeting at the end of the day. When I plan tours in the past with groups of 6 - 12 we frequently split into fast, slow and difficult groups, with a pre arranged meeting place. Sometime we all ride together. Everyone gets to ride their choice. Just one suggestion. I have just finished protesting my new bike (cb500x) and the lightness and low seat mean I feel very confident on it. I would ride this bike over terrain I wouldn't look at on a gs1200. Or balance the road and off road more evenly. Or each person chooses the route every other day, 1 day Beanster, next day Junior, etc etc There are always alternatives. Either way it's a good watch and you are both doing well. Enjoy the views, savour the beer and .make the most of your time. Every trip has to end at some point. Happy travels 👍

@RidetheBean

2 жыл бұрын

Yeah that’s a good way to do it. But we don’t really choose a route like most people. We choose a direction, then whatever roads come up on the way we try out. And we are both choosing what we want to do.. nobody is forcing anyone to do anything. We are friends, and we take our time. Just because we have a discussion and a disagreement or different viewpoint on things doesn’t mean we don’t listen to each other. But in this one we were already at the top of the mountain. So we had to get down either way 😛

I love this series and really admire you both and lets face it ... you guys are out there doing it and I am back here behind my lap top ... though I have had some great bike adventures also over many years. However ... there are some experiences that run a fine line and can ruin a trip or worse result in serious injury of course. I also used to mountain bike a lot, got better at it over time and tackled ever harder trails, but sometimes the constant falls and injuries just made it very un-enjoyable and so I toned it down a little, accepted that some trails just were not actually worth the effort or risk and whilst its great pushing the boundries of course, that just looked like a crap day in the saddle, a crap experience and could easily have curtailed the trip for you or him.

@RidetheBean

2 жыл бұрын

Hehe thank you!!! Yeah in hindsight we may not have chosen the same route. But we ended up there and tried to make the best of it. You are right that if you keep falling and injuring yourself it can take the fun out of it. But even if that happens it is all about mentality. You can still have fun even if you are hurt. Like my knee was killing me the whole way down. It so sooo painful!!! But I told myself “this is fun, and the pain is part of the adventure” so I had fun. I tried to get Jonathan to think the same way, but he is a bit stubborn 😅

*_Both_* of you guys should enjoy riding ...

So far, I understand where Johnathan is coming from. I also pushed my friend into some situations he wasn’t ready for. It’s not that Johnathan “can’t” do it or gets discouraged, I feel what he is saying is, it’s just not fun because he hasn’t built the small skills ( the foundation) to build up the big skills. In my situation my buddy just sat out the hard stuff and we got back to the basics on flat, dirt, rock and gravel roads.

失敗乃成功之母 All the hardship will come to pass. You guys will laugh about it tomorrow I'm quite sure about that 🐱 the bike-falling scenes remind me of when we were child and try to learn about balancing the bicycle. The falling, is the main ingredient for standing. Good luck to both of you 💪

Hi there, there is a very fine line between feeling challenged and feeling unable to cope, feeling overchallenged. Telling him to "acclelerate" is most definitely the wrong term, because Jonathan will without doubt understand to twist the throttle rather than slowly let go the clutch handle to go... Another good hint would be to tell him to stick his ass out: left turns/corners - - to the right right turns/corners - - to the left This will help a lot to keep the balance I am half way through the video - so I hope you proceed going together doing lots more TET

@RidetheBean

2 жыл бұрын

Good tips 😊 thanks 😛 Yeah we are still traveling together, so there will be many more videos to come. But this was probably the biggest challenge 😅

Kenneth: "Now, this is better" 0.03 seconds later: "woww that was tricky" hahahaha

What is the odds!? At my first trip Sweden-Spain, I stayed at that hotel too😅 Im really glad that you managed to get off the trail and found a room for the night. Well done Jonathan and Kenneth👍🏻👏🏻Take a extra day of rest in Figueres and a couple of drinks 🍹 🍺 and cool off. There so many roads(even gravel)to explore in that region where you are now, that Jonathan will manage. Take your time brothers👍🏻👏🏻🍻

@RidetheBean

2 жыл бұрын

Oh that is cool 😛 we took some days in Barcelona instead and had a lot of fun there. As you will see in the upcoming episodes 😛

It was tough for Jonathan. But he made it again. I understand what he is thinking. Now you must relax and hopefully get a more comfortable ride in the next episode. This is good entertainment👍😊

@RidetheBean

2 жыл бұрын

Hehe yeah I am really impressed with him. He has been great to ride with, and although he is scared, he keeps going. Next episode is much more chill 😅

Way to go Kenneth and Jonathan. It’s daunting as hell and it was a scary situation for both. Totally understand the actions on both sides. One who couldn’t do it, skillwise, and the other that had to push because there was no other way out. Kenneth if it’s possible at all since Spain 🇪🇸 is also a big motocross country, why not try some motocross lessons for a day or so while you guys are there. Trust me it helps with your confidence and skill off-road especially on steep ascents and descents. And for Jonathan’s sake. He will definitely gain more confidence when learning to handle and maneuver a dirtbike on all types of motocross terrain. Speaking from experience it really made adventure riding much easier for me.

@RidetheBean

2 жыл бұрын

Yeah that’s pretty accurate 😛 Some lessons would be nice. I would love to take some. But it’s the money thing…🙈 When I can afford it I will take some 😛

@Mrjudokan27

2 жыл бұрын

@@RidetheBean yea it always is huh? Enjoy the rest of your trip guys! Loving the off-road and the travel content.

You wanted an opinion so here it is. You're a terrible teacher. All you're doing is wrecking his confidence and his bike. He's obviously terrified. He'll probably never ride off road again after this. Good KZread footage for you though I suppose. He's an absolute novice offroader on a bike that is too big to learn on in those conditions and with the wrong tyres. Although where you are riding is not hard you should never have taken Jonathon there until his skill level was better. It's no use throwing him in the deep end and saying you can do it. You wouldn't throw a non swimmer in the pool and say you can do it while watching him drown. He needs to ease into it and gradually build up his skill level while enjoying it not have the crap scared out of him. Jonathon needs to head home before he gives off road riding away completely. He's a nice bloke and we don't want to lose him from the adventure riding.

@OSR_1

2 жыл бұрын

Well said

It's simple. He is saying he isn't enjoying it. That's the end of it. Regardless whether he's good at it or not. He shouldn't be pressurised into something he doesn't want to do. HE DOESNT WANT TO DO IT.

Respect for Jonathan! He did really well! The Tiger is a heavy machine and these tires make it complicated to ride on loose underground. He should consider replacing them with more offroad oriented ones.

@RidetheBean

2 жыл бұрын

Absolutely!!! He is pushing though 😛

You guys might reach a point, when Jonathan is no longer willing to push forward. At that moment, you either split and Jonathan goes back or his own way, or you would have to adjust your journey to accommodate him. That compromise would however jeopardize your own goals that you set for this Euro trip and you might regret it later realizing you didn't achieve, what you planned to do. I hope that Jonathan's confidence will build over time so that he doesn't become an "anchor" that you have to carry in order to push things forward..:-) Good luck!

i was like jonathan. he lerns fast. but he need 1 day off to progress the skills. you cant learn and go everyday offroad you need 1-2 days off than your brain can save all the skills. its not a marathon just chill 1-2 days enjoy the city the people and take a breathe its not a race.

@RidetheBean

2 жыл бұрын

Well this was just the third day in a row, and we had to cross the mountains to get to the city. So… 🤷🏼‍♂️😅

Hi Guys. i hope Jonathan has recovered from his ordeal and despite the lack of confidence and experience he succeeded and never gave in. Well done Jonathan. Having said that a lot of the comments below i do agree with. i have over 20 years experience and did a dispatch riders course in the army and it takes a while to build up experience especially in unfamiliar territory. i am sure in a few years time Jonathan will look back at this and laugh it off but for now ride and enjoy and be safe, so i don't cringe every time Jonathan drops the bike. i have the GT Pro version, which i have dropped twice lol Peace

@RidetheBean

2 жыл бұрын

Hehe yeah we had a few days in Barcelona where we got to recover 😛 He impressed me the whole way and ai am really proud of what he accomplished. There are always better ways of doing things. But his was the situation we ended up in. So we dealt with it the best way we could 🙂

you need to listen to Jonathan, progession is all good but it needs to be structured and enjoyable. you are in danger of losing your friend/riding buddy!

@RidetheBean

2 жыл бұрын

Hehe no not really. And I am listening to him. I can see when he is just in his head and when is is actually struggling. If he can’t take it he tells me.

Dude don't push your mate, especially off road. He's gotta enjoy this experience

@RidetheBean

2 жыл бұрын

Hehe well… we ended up in the situation, and we had to get down somehow. What should we have done? 🤷🏼‍♂️

@Smalltime

2 жыл бұрын

@@RidetheBean A lesson well learned? We can’t change the past, but I hope you’ll consider this day going forward :) safe journey

I totally understand Jonathan’s frustration. I can’t imagine the difficulty but in the end you are both doing it. It didn’t defeat you. What an amazing accomplishment. Few could do this. Bravo!

@RidetheBean

2 жыл бұрын

Hehe yeah I understand it very well. But I still think he is doubting himself too much. When he doesn’t have time to think about it he doesn’t things very well. But when he has time to think his brain gets in ha way a bit. I am very impressed with what he has managed 🙂

@bradb2514

2 жыл бұрын

Oh I get that!! My head is my worst enemy. I think too much. I took a training class by BMW and I did things I NEVER would have tried before but in this case I just followed the instructor and didn’t have time to think twice or doubt myself. Afterwards I was saying “Holy f**k I can’t believe I did that!”

If you're on top of a mountain with someone whose confidence took a dip, you encourage him down, because he HAS to get down. You just get through it. And I had to go though this very thing myself, so I feel for Jonathan. I think you guys are both doing so good! Just a pity Jonathon did not have this experience on proper tyres, but whats done is done.

@RidetheBean

2 жыл бұрын

Hehe yeah it is easy to say what was wrong in hindsight, but we made it down. I had a lot of fun, and although Jonathan says it was terrible, I think he is a little bit proud of himself. As he should be. He will never admit that tho 😅

@louisevnliebenberg

2 жыл бұрын

Not many choices in that position... you both managed and both are more experienced now.

Tyre pressure for such offroad conditions should also be taken into account next to appropriate tyres. I bet you have not adjusted the pressure before starting the off road track. Kudos for Jonathan for effort but he really needs more time with the bike on tarmac to get comfortable before trying again some off road again.Give him the space and the time.

You are pushing him to much with no respite. He has had no time to get to know the Tiger before taking on the Tet. Not all riders take to the off-road aspect he needs more Road time on the new bike.

Great job. 👍, especially the top-heavy luggage makes it more difficult and maybe some easier tracks would be better for both of you? (In skiing you donn´t start on the black piste). Did you remember to lower the tire pressure before riding those gravel tracks? You finished to the tarmac both in one piece, bravo. 👍 - And remember to reconstitute before the next challenge. I look forward to seeing how it goes.🤩🤩🤩

Interesting discussion you are having there. Kenneth is both right and wrong . He got hurt and is being stubborn to drive himself further - which might be really bad if his knee gets really worse. When you tell yourself you can’t do things it affects your mind in a bad way. It’s hard to learn by doing like this and I really would recommend some training before getting out like this. The tires is most likely to road focused. Feel a bit bad for Jonathan and his brand new bike. But at the same time riding like this you can’t be expecting to not fall sometimes. Even get hurt both physically and mentally. Finally look 👀 the bright side of this - it’s and experience and you get to see views very few people get a chance to see. I am impressed what you guys have achieved and I respect your effort and showing both the positive and negative sides of things is important. Keep up the good spirit and keep getting good experiences and new views.

@RidetheBean

2 жыл бұрын

Thank you 😊 This was a well reasoned comment 😛 And you may be right. Maybe we are too inexperienced… but I would argue that as long as we made it through, we were just experienced enough 😝 And yeah it’s all about mentality. I was also very tired and exhausted. But ai decided that this was fun, so I had fun. When ai was a newbie and was practicing ai fell hard and really hurt myself. But I also looked at that as fun. If you can laugh in the face of pain and struggle the experience gets so much better. Jonathan tends to be way too apprehensive about many things where he doesn’t feel 100% in control. Like he has said, he never tried any sport or other things where there was a risk of injuries. So this is the first time he is attempting something where he doesn’t feel in control. That is what makes it scary for him. His skill is good enough for this hill. Yeah the tires and the heavy bike makes it more tricky. But he has the skill for it. If you look at where he falls, it is always in the corners. What he is afraid of is a u-turn. So the straight he is fine, but when he has to corner he tenses up and falls. What ai tried to do was to tell him that he just needs to relax and not be so tense. That will make it easier.

Dont forget too have fun 😁

@RidetheBean

2 жыл бұрын

Hehe nope! Everything is fun with the right mentality 😝

Non of you are skilled offroad riders, why take a noobie on this trail, it's gonna make him less hungry to ride thoose trails, take more easy trails.

Keep momentum, LOOK FAR AHEAD to improve balance. You go to where you look at. If you look at the ground in front of your frontwheel youre going down.

Jonathan - if you read this - Put you tank bag on top of your rear luggage in this kind of situations, you will have a little more room to maneuver the bike.

Hi Jonathan, maybe you can do the Adventure Country Track of the Pyrenees? Also called ACT. ACT is also offroad but easier than TET. ACT Pyrenees is 1200 km / 50 percent rather easy offroad. Tracks are free from the ACT website

Hi Kenneth,is there still some brake pad left on Jonathan’s bike? It’s squeecking a lot. Nice video guys👍

Don't push him to hard, otherwise he lose the fun and stop riding with you.

@RidetheBean

2 жыл бұрын

Hehe I’m not 😛

@christoph5941

2 жыл бұрын

BTW his tires are grap for this kind of terrain. Keep smiling 😃 and have fun.

It will be difficult every day, just take your time. BUT you have to get lighter. 80L with the bags you have and no more. Everything must fit in this 3 bags plus you have plus Tankbag. No extra Bag no Backpack. And it works, I have the same Rig. 🤩

That triumph def needs better off road tires. Riding that thing in those conditions with all the luggage and the kitchen sink on the back on road tyres would be difficult fir anyone. At least wouldn’t be fun for anyone. Having said that he’s doing well all things considered. He’ll enjoy it much more next time with better tyres

Kenneth, telling someone to stop feeling how they're feeling isn't ever going to work. How often has telling a hysterical person to just calm down worked? I really think what Jonathon is trying to convey is that trying to acclimate to a style of riding by attempting to do so on at the highest level of difficulty, with only mid level experience and skill is terrifying. It would be like teaching someone to ride a sport bike and then telling them to race with a MotoGP rider. Yes, you may make it around the track, and with each lap get faster, but when that MotoGP bike passes you on the inside corner at 225 kph you're going to shit your pants. We all learn to walk with baby steps. Find some less challenging sections, with less steep elevations and work your way up. It may be boring for you Kenneth, but Jonathon will benefit by having a bit less adrenaline flowing at all times. I love watching the two of you, and I don't want to see you two end up hating each other.

I feel for Jonathan. He has a too big of bike to start on . And you should be helping him after he falls more, by standing behind him and holding his bike

Kenneth, this was a very difficult day of riding! You both did extremely well considering how steep and rough the trail appeared to be. As you know, you have to tell yourself that you can do it. You did find a nice hotel to rest overnight! Hope all went well in Barcelona! Ride safe Kenneth!

No Coments..Iam to pissed off....

I agree totally with Kenneth. He's bought a heavy bike all kitted up, way too heavy 4 a beginner, he has relatively no experience. He's lucky he hasn't broken a leg or worse. He should also be enjoying it remember If it's too difficult then don't bully him into it. You have NO right. And you are not an instructor either. If something happens and he gets seriously hurt, you might also end up liable for leading an inexperienced person beyond his capabilities. Having said that, he will definitely be a better rider after that! Well done Kenneth. Yr A Star!!! 🌟 you should start a channel of your own

I never have done those kind of trails but I agree with others that Jonathan needs a proper rest day. yes he has improved a huge amounts but Kenneth you need to rest your knee that will make it tougher on you both ride safe and take care.

@RidetheBean

2 жыл бұрын

Hehe yeah it was a few tiring days, but we got a lot of rest in Barcelona 😛

Best Video ever🤘🏻🤔. Good job Jonny😎🥳 and Kenneth. Maybe remove the mirrors when you start offroad like that. Or think about doubletake mirror. Greetings and keep healthy

@RidetheBean

2 жыл бұрын

Thank you 😛 Yeah we ordered them the next day, but they got stuck in customs… received them yesterday….

I agree with Jonathan, there is a li e between having fun and working so hard you begin to hate it. I think you need to take it easy on your route plans. Jonathan can do it but I think he is getting frustrated, which takes away the joy.

He falls to the low side every time. He can’t reach the ground on that side, so he falls. He should lean towards the high side.

Kenneth you ask for our oppinions so here you get mine: I think Jonathan is doibg a teriffic job. You are pushing him to be better, but sometimes you mayby push to hard. Look at his face when you laugh and say that its fun. You can see that Jonathan not seems to feel the same way, and you cannot force him to feel the same as you. I really think that from the beginning Jonathan should have changed his tyres on the bike, and you should have pushed him to do that when you also push him to go the tet track

Hahaha, we started our first TET experience by riding over this mountain (tet transpyrenees) last summer and it freaked us out :-p it was sooo desolate, isolated and scary... I'm getting sweaty flashbacks watching this :-)

@RidetheBean

2 жыл бұрын

Oh that’s cool 😛 What a way to start 😅 It was a bit scary, and very challenging. But that was what made it fun I think 😁

@cpt.kimintuitiondemon

2 жыл бұрын

@@RidetheBean We went looking for adventure and an experience, we found it :-) And quickly learned to ride better ...

@RidetheBean

2 жыл бұрын

Just like us 😛

I hope you take another road on the way back 😅

@RidetheBean

2 жыл бұрын

Hehe yeah probably 😅

Step by step guide how to get your friend to sell his adventure bike and never talk to you again 😄 P.S. Super proud of you Jonathan! (If you're kidnapped in the next video blink twice🤣)

Experience is nothing without the skills. Just riding and doing the same mistakes over and over again leads to being better at doing it wrong. A good offroad riding school would help more than just riding.

@RidetheBean

2 жыл бұрын

True. But that’s not really what is happening here. And off-road schools are great, but cost money, and time that is unavailable when we need itz

Of course, believing that you can do it is important. But it does not replace all skills. Jonathan needs to know when to use which brakes, how to shift his weight, where to look, and more. Learning this only by trial and error can completely spoil the fun for him. Always trying a little bit more than your skills is good, but I think you're overdoing it. And then with those tires and the overloaded bikes. However, I'm sure it will bond you together. Jeg ønsker deg en fantastisk tid.

‘Stop saying that, stop saying that’. Kenneth please….stop saying that. You better listen what Johnathan wants to tell you. Don't push him to hard. It's time to enjoy.

@RidetheBean

2 жыл бұрын

Hehe I do listen to him, but he also need to not be so stubborn and start believing in himself 😅

It’s so frustrating watching both of you making mistakes riding. Both of you need to take a couple of days off in the city and practice fundamentals of off-road/trials riding. 1. Static balance 2. Clutch control 3. Tight circles and circle eights 4. Using rear brake slide to change directions. Etc

@RidetheBean

2 жыл бұрын

We do. 🙂 But it’s not like we can just teleport from the mountain to a city.

@coobye

2 жыл бұрын

Agree.

@StoltHD

2 жыл бұрын

@@RidetheBean - it is really easy to turn around and chose another route, BEFORE you get into this type of "mess".

Jonathan, you did really good! I understand completely what you were trying to tell Ken. You've improved SO much, but now take some time to back off, rest and process what you've learned. And get rid of those tires! You're okay Jonathan!

@RidetheBean

2 жыл бұрын

I completely agree! And I did understand what he was saying. I just didn’t agree with him 😅 Our definition of certain words are very different 😂 And we did get a lot of rest in Barcelona 😛

I agree, it was hard to watch. But not because of Kenneth but because Jonathan weak attitude. Kenneth made a good point there up in the hill : you are here, your bike is here, how can you dare to say you're not capable of doing this. I'm riding TET myself too. As a total newbie. And for me, its extatic when I overcome my fears. Getting down from hills or going through deep mud holes. The scarier the obstacle seems, the greater the joy of getting through. So I totally understand meaning of Kenneth question in hotel: how do you feel now? . I would have feel super proud of myself and excited. Therefore Jonathan still weak and whiny attitude was.. disappointing. That sayd, I'm still impressed that Jonathan kept pushing himself despite the agony. That is impressive and will carry him far. He just need to believe himself and loose that I can't do it attitude. Like Kenneth repeatedly sayd to him. So, my point is, I'm with you here, Kenneth. Keep up the good work!

Of course it's hard for a beginner. A big adventure bike, shitty tires for those tracks, 40kg of luggage, and lack of skills. Jonathan has a point. But descisions where made. Some where wrong. Maybe going with a CRF 300 L/Ralley some nice knobbies with low pressure on the rims and it would be soo much easier. Practicing some essentials in a parking lot. 10m U-turns and eights. Essentials about momentum and balancing, throttle and clutch. But there you are. Take a base camp in a nice area. Leave your stuff there and explore the tracks arround for couple of days. Thats the way to go. But on the other hand, once you are in that situation you have to push through. That's also a part of ADV biking. Leaving your comfort zone and fight your way in the best possible manner that's suits you. And sometimes it's best when you have someone on your side who kicks your a**.

I believe in compromise! The ride today was VERY CHALLENGING and perhaps a more gradual balance is a better choice. Your bikes are very heavy and not truly suited for that type of terrain. Maybe a little more research to better understand the terrain is advisable! You did good getting Johnathan over that mountain. But I don’t think even you want another day of riding like that again. What if it rained or you both were unlucky. Have you prepared for something you’ve already experienced. Good preparation makes for good luck. 👍 I (a viewer) was tense during this video!!! Tires, mirror, an emergency beacon! Your channel is growing Kenneth!!! Stay warm and safe!

Right from the beginning I said this is an stupid idea. Jonathan has hardly any skills and experience on road yet. And now you guys doing the TET? What’s wrong with a nice little twisty paved road through the mountains? Would be challenging enough for Jonathan!

First stop, new tyres I think

@RidetheBean

2 жыл бұрын

Hehe yep! Got new ones in barceona

Man cant you ditch a lot of that luggage surely all you need is 1 knife to HUNT 1 cigarette to calm you down definitely 1 Beer maybe 2 I don't think my wife would even pack that much wishing you HAPPIER PAIN FREE TIMES BOYS

Just believe Jonathan, BELIEVE!

For Jonathan, clearly it's not the right bike and mainly the right tyres (remember stuck after Carcassonne in a small mud hole). But great commitment … as long as nobody is hurt, it's just fatigue and souvenir ! You should just ride behind and not beyond, less stress for him to "keep the pace" and better footage !

@RidetheBean

2 жыл бұрын

Yeah he is aware of all that. But as you’ll see in an upcoming video there is a reason for it. We switch on who rides in front. He doesn’t navigate that much so I am in front to navigate. And I usually ride a bit ahead and stop and wait for him. That way we both get to do our pace, and I don’t go too far ahead so I can easily get back to help if he needs it.

Jonathan is RIGHT! You are pushing him and yourself too hard.

It is too hard for an inexperienced rider like Johnathan on the 900 fully loaded with road tyres in. He is learning how to be afraid of being off road & it may put him off doing it completely. He needs to have better tyres & less weight on the bike. Hopefully he can enjoy it more. Well done on getting of the hell road.

Up is the hard part, you will always get down one way or the other. Might have had a better time with a bit more offroady tires other than that its 90% mindset and practice. Its hard to keep that mindset and keep practicing when you are hungry and low on energy. When it comes to the riding, everything is easier with some speed and move your eyes from the front wheel and look where you want to go :) The front wheel is not going to fall off. atleast not often :D Im looking at him standing up and the balance is very good, its just that the eyes are a bit to close to the bike.

@slyfoxADV

2 жыл бұрын

Hi ! Indeed, I think my balance is not too bad but my vision is terrible. I know full well that I have to look further but I am so often paralyzed by fear that I do not have time to perfect this skill. Someone notice previously that I only fell into the pins... And you probably saw the episode where I'm trying u turn and it was horrible. I really need to practice that skill 😉✌️

That was tough to watch. You were both in over your heads on that trail. A little too technical for those bikes and tires. Don't push Jonathon, or yourself, too far past your comfort level. Good thing there were 2 of you to help pick each other's bikes up.

@RidetheBean

2 жыл бұрын

😅 Yeah it was a bit tougher than expected. But we ended up there so we tried to make the best of it. I think pushing him is the right thing to do. If the rolls were reversed that is what ai would have wanted. Maybe my way of approaching situations like this is not your way, but all I can to is the way I know, and we got down, so it sort of worked 😝

You two have way, way too much luggage. You should take a rest day and seriously look at what you are carrying and get rid of at least half. Of it. Jonathan’s problems are not only being caused by his inexperience but also by the stupid high centre of gravity on his bike. If you haven’t used it fir three days (except actual camping necessities) you don’t Ned it so get rid of it.

@RidetheBean

2 жыл бұрын

Hehe I agree. If it’s not being used we don’t need it. Thing is… we use basically all of what we have almost every day. And this way of traveling that we do is not like most motorbike travelers. For us the bike is just the tool to experience and explore new places. It’s not the main part of the trip, even if that is how it looks in the video. Most of the time is spent in camp, coffee shops and getting to know people or explore places and cities. So all the luggage is for the time in between the rides. I would rather struggle a bit more, but have what I need to do what ai want, instead of it being a little bit easier to ride, but missing out on all I enjoy outside of the road. Remember, this trip is kind of my therapy. This is my way of finding a purpose in life and a reason to keep going. And riding is just part of that journey.

for some people hard is fun; for others, hard is just hard

@RidetheBean

2 жыл бұрын

Hehe yeah true. It’s all about the mentality though 🙂