E04 | Bowing before the mystery: Islam & individuation with Bernard Sartorius
Bernard Sartorius is a Jungian Analyst based in Zurich and a scholar of Islamic Studies. In this episode, we’re investigating individuation and Islamic faith, in relation to Christianity. We discuss psychological agnosticism, religious fundamentalism and Jung’s difficulties with surrendering, and his grappling with bowing in front of the mystery, in the context of a dream shared in the biography ‘Memories, dreams, reflections'.
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Contents of this video
0:00 Intro
1:26 Biography of Bernard Sartorius
5:53 Studies at the C.G Jung Institute and analysis with Von Franz
7:30 The link between "deification of man" and individuation
10:03 The importance of not idealizing individuation
14:55 The difference between Islamic and Christian faith
28:07 Jung's dream of the 1 millimeter
28:41 Sartorius interpretation of Jung's dream
36:23 Jung's "I don't believe I know" and Sartorius understanding of it
40:56 What did Jung actually believe in? Jung's struggle with surrender
45:11 Islam versus Christianity today.
53:34 "Do you believe in God?" The mystery
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The dream about Uriah was dreamt ten years after Jung's heart attack - it was a dream that lead Jung to write Answer to Job, as it's stated in MDR - so the interpretation presented here is invalid. Jung stated that only later it has become clear to him that the dream announced that his wife will shortly be taken away from him. Of course, he could not submit entirely to that fate. The only imprecision in Jung's interpretation of his inability to surrender completely to the will of God is when he associates that with men's freedom. I agree with Mr. Sartorius that God's will is not opposed to men's freedom, so what Jung calls freedom is, in fact, a misuse of freedom, or more precisely, a rebellion against God's will, which is a characteristic of humans. We are always in a state of non-acceptance of the will of God and that is our main guilt, about which the Bible warns us in many places. In fact, the main difference between the Son of God - Jesus - and the rest of God's children is that only Jesus was "obedient unto death".