I got a number of requests to post this segment of the E;R response as its own video so it would be easier to send to people on its own. If you are one of the people who asked for it please gas this up! If you already saw the segment, I did add some new stuff as a foreward and afterward. Another thing to note- grammatical gender is a lot messier and complicated than I point out here. With undeniably masculine things like beards being represented with feminine signifiers in some language. That is to say even as a representation of grammatical gender- it’s fairly inconsistent. These topics are really broad but my real hope it that people who don’t understand the whole gender-sex divide would get a basic grasp on the concepts so we can have a better informed world. Thank you and please support my work if you think I’m doing something worthwhile!

@bearberserker

10 ай бұрын

Thank you, your video is very informative and love how much information there is. I hope to see more of your vids in the future! 🏳️‍⚧️

@nicoleflores2054

10 ай бұрын

About gender grammar, you're not kidding, not only I discovered how complicated is gender english grammar but the spanish gender grammar is beyond difficult to comprehend, there isn't an actual coherent way to describe nonbinary people due the fact the pronouns like "they/them" are to describe to plural as in people rather than a person, there has been a pronoun for nonbinary people called "elle" but it got controversial, and truly controversial for the Spanish dictionary, the term "non-binary" doesn't even make sense in Spanish because it translates as "no binario" but there's masculine words that ends in o and for female, they end in a, so most people won't even get what the actual term means, I've seen a lot of misgendering in my country towards trans/nonbinary people that I just go along with the English because at least there's some actual meaning in pronouns.

@Ciurk

10 ай бұрын

thank you :D

@likke_otter

10 ай бұрын

question: do you have any of the sources you used for this video? not discrediting you in any way i just like to read up on things in depth myself

@blaynefarson9399

10 ай бұрын

Okay cool, I thought I was having a deja vu moment, swearing I've heard this exact video before.

Actually, I am the 100% male, and everyone else copies a little piece of me

@HidinginPrivate

10 ай бұрын

Persuasive. I believe you

@SIRKISSHY

10 ай бұрын

😂 i believe you

@butteryfriedwizard2219

8 ай бұрын

Based on the idiotic logic of this content, you have to be taller than me to claim that.

@moviemaestro800

8 ай бұрын

@@butteryfriedwizard2219 Amusing that some people are so shallow and incapable of understanding, that that's anyone's interpretation of that sentence. Proof positive that the American education system is criminally underfunded and understaffed.

@maroonluckyblockgames7062

7 ай бұрын

NUH UH ITS ME

John Money sounds like a comic book villain

@HidinginPrivate

10 ай бұрын

He's pretty evil tbh

@dracosteven4524

Ай бұрын

​@@HidinginPrivateGod, even his name sounds.

I have Turner's Syndrome and Stevonnie being confirmed to be intersex made me so emotional 😭 It's an intersection of gender and sex that often gets overlooked

@SIRKISSHY

10 ай бұрын

it's really nice to see their character bc of this stuff!! happy for you! 🥰

@daniapfel2825

10 ай бұрын

Glad for you

@blacktigerpaw1

8 ай бұрын

Turner's Syndrome only affects females, because no male can live with a single sex chromosome. "Intersex" doesn't mean 'between' the sexes or of both sexes, because humans don't work that way. DSDs, or disorders (differences) of sex development are all sex based.

@blacktigerpaw1

8 ай бұрын

@@SIRKISSHY She's still female, because Turner's Syndrome, aka XO, only affects females. No male can survive with a single Y.

@goldenrider2068

3 ай бұрын

You're not intersex. Stevonnie is literally magic.

Did anyone else notice that SU basically goes against all of the ideas that make up social conservatism?, I watched it for the first time this year, as an adult, and I absolutely get why people on the right hate it so much.

I think the other thing about his claim is that really pisses me off is just the whole ass lack of understanding that the mind separating itself from gender isnt the only way in which it doesnt connect. People who experience bipolar disorder, depression, DID, BPD, PTSD, ADHD, Autism, etc., - hell theres a whole disorder called Body Dysmorphic Disorder that is the brain not recognising the body! All of these have moments where they are disconnected from reality (ex disassociating, manic episodes). These all range in their intensity and can last anywhere between a couple hours to several weeks. Some people have even lost whole months. The brain can without a doubt be disconnected from the body. Gender =/= sex. Sometimes the brain doesnt aline with the body. This is not new. Its that simple. EDIT: Also, the way he phrases circumcision is giving Silent Hill Wiki Circumcison Meltdown. Which is fucking hilarious.

@dumbluckduckgoose9437

10 ай бұрын

your comment made me curious about the Silent hill thing and it's the funniest shit i've checked in a while.

@cyruscrompton8221

10 ай бұрын

​@@dumbluckduckgoose9437its one of my favorite internet stories of all time, absolute insanity

@frogpuff1910

10 ай бұрын

As someone with OSDD (DID but a bit different) and autism i really appreciate you saying this to make people aware of this. /gen! (/gen means genuine!)

@LandOfTheEnigma

10 ай бұрын

@@frogpuff1910 HII!!! I'M LOOKING FOR OTHER SYSTMES SORRY I H

@Lanoira13

10 ай бұрын

Can I just tangentially vent how much it annoys me when people mix up gender dysphoria and body dysmorphia, as someone who deals with both? Like they are so massively different. One can CAUSE the other, but the experiences of each are very distinct and usually pretty easy to tell the difference between ime. I've had insane dysphoria for femininity as a non-op AFAB because of my dysmorphia, and I've felt overwhelming gender euphoria because of my dysmorphia and vice versa- made me feel I look more feminine than I am at both helpful and unfortunate times. My dysmorphia had never that I can think of consciously impacted my gender identity, even being genderfluid. It just does it's own thing, completely divorced from my gender identity and sometimes they line up in good ways.

Steven universe definitely got a lot of hate for being a show with lgbt elements. The show was airing kind of in this era where just calling something gay was declining in acceptable use, however in its place we started to see the rise of cringe culture making fun of those same people. As a result a lot of the critisisms of the show came from outsiders saying the show was cringe, with the implication being that the reasons it was cringe was all the gay stuff but they gotta bury the lede.

@poweroffriendship2.0

10 ай бұрын

Yeah. It's a good thing that cringe culture just died off anyways.

People learning about the David Reimer case and concluding "Pressuring people into identifying as something they don't identify as is good actually" is baffling

@aylasabatini7122

10 ай бұрын

Fr. It's literally the horseshoe theory. They condemn Money for what he did(and rightfully so), but then unironically believe his notion that letting the boy play with a doll will make him think he's a girl. They are literally agreeing with Money just to "own the libs."

@Peasham

10 ай бұрын

Not really, their ideology is based on known falsehoods and emotional reactions, Money's actions SOUND disgusting (and obviously are) and due to your feeling disgust you're likely to just kinda, follow along with the propaganda. It's evil, not baffling.

@whofan1212

10 ай бұрын

yeah the """study""" literally found that despite all attempts, gender is inherent and cannot be changed. it literally supports trans people and the idea of dysphoria. i dont understand how people can find that

@pardontheopinion8679

10 ай бұрын

Actually the takeaway for me at least, is why should I respect the ideology of a child molesting mad scientist? Hence I reject gender.

@mr.l5071

10 ай бұрын

Yeah it's something else

15:51 I've straight up had this experience first hand. I called out one of the weird notions that people formed about this show, about whether or not the show "sexualized itself," and said how crazy it was to believe this when it's a show for 8-12 year old children. With actual real proof and explanations from the show itself that disproves this heavily prevalent notion. And, despite common sense and basic facts, I got ratio'd to where the sun doesn't shine by thousands of people as my response. And got hundreds of comments from people saying that I was wrong, some stating Rebecca is a pedophile and a bad person, some saying "kids don't watch SU" for some reason, and some accusing me of being a "creep." As well as a ton of people stating that Rebecca "confirmed" that fusion was sex, and was treated like an objective fact. Even though there was absolutely no proof this was ever said. And when I constantly asked for proof of this confirmation, I am given none. And when I give what Rebecca ACTUALLY stated that can be literally looked up in a second (that fusion is a metaphor for relationships and such), it is downright ignored or rebelled with another "SU is a show made for creeps" comment and the like. That whole thing has wildly proven to me that because of those horrendous videos made by EZ;PZ, E;R, Lily Orchard and the like, that people are so lack of critical thinking and/or are heavily insistent to believe some of the most vile and disgusting claims/lies, and accept it as fact for 8 years no matter how blatantly wrong it is. Or of course, not care whether or not they're true and spread them anyway because "it's the cool thing to say these about the woke queer show." It's honestly pathetic. Edit: My point has now been yet again proven in this comment's replies. Rad.

@altalt479

10 ай бұрын

It's just straight up homophobia and mysogyny but they want to act like they're not so they make up these outlandish reasons to hate on the show and creator and to spread their transphobic reasonings

@JohnathanWilliamson849

10 ай бұрын

Steven Universe sucked no matter how hard you white knight it.

@sonic8005

10 ай бұрын

@@JohnathanWilliamson849 Nah, it's really good.

@JohnathanWilliamson849

10 ай бұрын

@@sonic8005 don't lie. It was a garbage show filled with plotholes and took all of it's plots from anime.

@AleksandarBell

10 ай бұрын

@@JohnathanWilliamson849Anime also takes all of its plot from other anime what is your point here? The hero’s journey can only be done in so many ways

I want to personally say as someone who has faced a shit ton of hate from friends, family and online people who just as easily turned against me because I was "just another gender-queer person who liked steven universe and was a blue haired sjw blah blah blah person". Thank you for taking up the mantle and putting in the effort of debunking these really harmful videos, they really have hurt tons of people just through their sheer maliciousness and mis-information, and it personally makes me happy to see this shit debunked openly, thanks Hiding In Private.

@table2.0

10 ай бұрын

Hello fellow queer, I hope you are safe and happy 🏳️‍🌈🏳️‍🌈🏳️‍🌈🏳️‍🌈

@JohnathanWilliamson849

10 ай бұрын

he didn't debunk shit. all he did was just whine about people he didn't like

@BEE-rg4ts

10 ай бұрын

@@JohnathanWilliamson849 i'm sorry your name is johnathan williamson 🥺🥺🥺 it's a tough world out there sport I believe in u

@BEE-rg4ts

10 ай бұрын

@@table2.0 😎

@blacktigerpaw1

10 ай бұрын

​@@BEE-rg4tsYou *are* a blue haired genderqueer person with autism. Afraid you're getting called out? Indeed, it's a tough world out there. Maybe not get upset over a random KZreadr trashing your show?

Money wasn't even the first person to investigate gender in modernity. For one Magnus Hirschfeld was investigating trans experience and healthcare possibly before Money was even born.

@HidinginPrivate

10 ай бұрын

True!

@mr.goblin6039

10 ай бұрын

Yeah, but since Money’s the one that had the most controversial method of going around it, it’s super easy for jerks like E;R to use and manipulate in their favor. It’s all about spreading hate.

@willowarkan2263

10 ай бұрын

@@mr.goblin6039 True that and his research wasn't burned by the actual nazis. Though chances are if he had mentioned Hirschfeld it might of started veering into antisemitism.

@Charlakin

10 ай бұрын

@@mr.goblin6039 As well as the easy parallel to draw when you bring up the fact that the research Hirschfeld was conducting were destroyed by Nazis... it would be too mask off for them to agree with the actions of Nazis explicitly.

@Peasham

10 ай бұрын

​@@mr.goblin6039My favorite part is still how the Reimer case literally proved the existence of gender dysphoria unequivocally yet they still use it as evidence against trans people because.. something.

ignoring how his framing of transgender identity and gender as a whole are flawed (trans people do not literally think they are a different sex), "there literally couldn't be any seperation between your mental state and your biology" is plainly wrong when you take into account THE ENTIRE FIELD OF PSYCHOLOGY

@tuwogp

10 ай бұрын

Well I guess the schizo who thinks he's a bird and jumps off a building is right then? Gender dysphoria used to require treatment that did not include gender reassignment. It was considered something you need to overcome and to accept your assigned sex. Lots of people regret transitioning the dilation stories and pics are proof enough.

@Peasham

10 ай бұрын

​@@tuwogpAh yes, the person calling others schizos is very concerned with one's mental state.

I relate pretty heavily to your intro on this one, but the situation was a little different for me. I watched the show, and a lot of those hate videos happened to come out around the time I dropped it for my own reasons. I've also since come to believe that while the show isn't great, it also isn't as bad as those old videos said it was, and that I shouldn't dunk on people for enjoying a show I don't.

@Scatmanseth

7 ай бұрын

Ditto, there were a lot of lies and ragebait going on years ago. Still are today but now they're just a cliche so it's easier to tell.

I would like to point out, that the Phineas Gage thing has been re-examined and from stories of the time, he did not totally change personality. The Human brain has way more placidity than we first thought and while yes, severe brain damage can result in changes of personality (people who suffer from strokes, for example, often fall into deep depression and become angry) it is often that no change happens at all, depending on what area of the brain is effected. But in the case of Gage, he did not turn from a friendly, forthcoming man, into a rowdy drunktard that got into fights all the time. That is a Myth that has been perpetuated for ages, and it needs to stop, same with the conclusions of the Stanford Prison experiment and many more

@blueskyclouds9819

10 ай бұрын

Yep! Basically, not a whole lot is known about Gage’s personality before and after his injury (although there are reports of some change), so it’s hard to extrapolate exactly what happened to him mentally.

@LtHavoc1983

10 ай бұрын

@@blueskyclouds9819 Yeah, we dont have enough Data on his case to say one way or the other and a lot of the things we have on him, is very anecdotal.

@maxwellavery3548

10 ай бұрын

I am so upset that I had to scroll so far to see a comment like this, but to be fair it wouldn't be a common misconception if it wasn't common /j

@jackooooooooo

9 ай бұрын

@@LtHavoc1983 Theres other cases of people having half their brain removed, and in these cases they also seem to be perfectly fine. So hiding got this part pretty wrong all things considered.

Your doing great work in undoing the bad faith discourse around SU. Can't wait to watch this video 😊

@simnzu5565

10 ай бұрын

Couldn’t agree more!!

@caoinhnamkhanh2795

10 ай бұрын

telling you, SU is so hated for being popular, and have some stuff that can let lgbtq+ folks relate to. ofc in the fandom it had drama, but the outside view of SU was ruined bc of these awful people

@JohnathanWilliamson849

10 ай бұрын

@@caoinhnamkhanh2795 Steven Universe was never popular, the only people who liked it are ex-Tumblr users.

@MangoMagica

10 ай бұрын

He’s doing gods work dude!

@simnzu5565

10 ай бұрын

@@JohnathanWilliamson849 me when I’m in denial

I always felt it was weird that we try so hard to force the binary idea of 'you're either a woman or a man' cause like, even as a kid when I didn't quite have the words to describe it, whenever I thought of all the people in the world, it was weird that somehow everyone was just in one of two categories (like I'd randomly think of men, and then kind of think about what else is out there and then feel weird when I realized it was just women, men and women and nothing else). People are so different in so many ways and yet everyone supposedly cleanly fits into one of those two boxes? I felt a lot less weird about it when I first heard about the bimodal distribution thing, cause it just makes more sense that no one is perfectly biologically male or female. Like yeah, there's male and female genitalia but it feels wrong to boil all nearly 8B of us down to just our genitals 😖 Being a man or woman, being human, is so much more than your genitals. I was almost excited when I learned about the transgender umbrella cause it just made so much more sense to me that there could be so much variation among humans 🤩 I get that as humans we want to describe and label things and make them easy to understand but so many things just aren't, and trying to simplify them anyway and getting mad when some people want to explore the more difficult to understand parts, is kinda dumb 😅

@greendemon905

10 ай бұрын

Interesting. I have the exact opposite view. Growing up in the 90's, I was taught by by tv that your gender/sex doesn't define your personality. I learned that girls could be tough and play extreme sports, and that boys could be emotional and share their feelings. That's the mindset I took into adulthood. The words "man" and "woman" define your body, not your personality. That's why being nonbinary makes no sense to me. From my point of view, they're confusing gender and personality. If you're gay, or wear all pink, or grow your hair out, that doesn't make you less of a man. Of course there are people who disagree, but those were already dying out when I was little. You mentioned people wanting to label things to make them easier to understand, and I think that's what the LGBT community is doing with gender. It looks at stereotypical gender traits, and puts them in boxes, ironically turning gender into a cold, scientific thing without nuance. That's why you have so many different gender flags and extra letters in the community name. I think it's a very shortsighted way to look at people.

@47ratsinahoodie

10 ай бұрын

​@@greendemon905 I don't actually think our views are that far apart (like genuinely, there's a couple of things that you say that are just what I said but phrased differently). I can't promise I have the words to flawlessly explain, but I can try XD You're absolutely correct in that your gender or sex doesn't define your personality. However, 'man' and 'woman' do have certain connotations and societal expectations and roles that go beyond whether a girl wants to play sports or a boy wants to share his feelings (and then there's also different experiences that can come with either). That's the main thing. Someone could definitely be a gay man with long hair who liked to wear pink, but that'd be different from someone attracted to men with long hair who liked to wear pink whose brain aligns more with female brains (since, a gay man and straight trans woman are not the same thing). Sometimes there may be stereotypical stuff that trans people like or want to experience (as Dylan Mulvaney is regularly criticized for :/), but there's also plenty of feminine trans men and masculine trans women, and similar to cis men and women, being into things stereotypically associated with the opposite sex, doesn't make them less of whatever gender. Like I mentioned in my original comment, there's so much more to being a man or woman than what's in your pants. Think of it like this: If humans have so much variation and could be so many different things when it comes to gender, why just go 'well then just force yourself into one of these two boxes and give yourself an asterisk'? It's like when people complain about gay characters, like I've run into people who complained saying, 'the sexuality of the character doesn't matter' and, 'so just let them be straight' in the same sentence. If the character can be anything, let them be anything, don't almost get the point and then regress like that💀 It ties into my point that it's dumb to try and label things like this, having either label A or label B and nothing else, just to make it easier to understand, even if it's not accurate. And trying to explore that while still being stuck with the label of your assigned gender at birth when it's like a tight, itchy sweater, is both difficult and sucks ngl XD When I first kinda came out as non-binary to my mom, one of the first things she asked was about why I didn't just say I was a girl who liked or felt whatever way, and I told her that label just doesn't feel right. I've met so many different kinds of women so far in my life and even with all of that variety, all of the things they liked or enjoyed or did or whatever beyond having vaginas, still didn't make that label feel right for me. So I ditched it 😜 And now, I've got a label that works a lot better for me 😊 So yeah, that's the main thing, almost everything else you said, I agree with (including the letters thing tbh. I love my community but LGBTQ+ outside of specific situations is a long enough acronym, though I don't mind 2SLGBTQ+ but that's because I have family that's from indigenous tribes so I'm biased lol). Like I said in my original comment, society has been forcing the binary thing for SO long and even now, people are still trying to force it after so many are understanding the bimodal distribution (as well as the gender spectrum). Society dun goofed and now people are trying to come to understandings of themselves outside of just simply being a man who likes to wear pink. I could see how you think the LGBTQ community might be enforcing stereotypes, but this [the previous paragraph] is what's actually going on. No one's saying you can't be a woman who likes to play sports, that being masculine automatically makes a girl trans. I've always said that people should explore what they like with complete disregard for what society deems feminine or masculine (as have many LGBTQ members, but ofc I haven't been able to chat with all of them so I obv can't guarantee there's not a bad apple with a stupid take), and if they come to the conclusion that they're cis? Awesome, they now have a better understanding of themselves. They might be a woman who plays sports. If they come to the conclusion they're trans? Awesome, they now have a better understanding of themselves. They might be a trans woman who likes pink. As for the label thing, that actually opposes your previous concern that the LGBTQ community was enforcing gender stereotypes 😅 Obviously there are the bigger labels that have been studied (I mean, as far as I know no one's done a study yet on pangender people lol) and are more acknowledged, but then there's a bunch that come along from various shared experiences. Instead of having a graph where there's two large bumps in data, there's like 20. Instead of awkwardly fitting into one of two premade boxes, some groups of people just wanna make their own 🤔 I probably should've clarified back in that comment that I think such a restrictive two label system is dumb, not labeling in general. Like I said, I can't flawlessly explain it but this is my best shot. Hope this helps!

@VirtualQuarkInterface

10 ай бұрын

​​@@greendemon905but men and women are social ideas, they aren't really solid things, at most peaks of data on a graph that we've decided to call men and women, being nonbinary makes perfect sense once you stop viewing things from a social centric perspective, and look at he data, I know math is boring, but it's important here, two peaks of data with a shallow valley between does not a binary make, bimodal sure, want to call one side and the other woman, whatever I don't care, want to split it up into 8,0000000 whatever, but to deny that it is in fact more complicated than just the general conception of man and woman is just to deny biology.

@JohnathanWilliamson849

10 ай бұрын

YWNBAW

@47ratsinahoodie

10 ай бұрын

@@JohnathanWilliamson849 Thanks 😌 Also, it's still pretty fucked that people like you are only ever focused on trans women -_- obsessed much?

i'm a trans person who was figuring myself out when the steven universe hatedom was starting to form and i remember seeing lots of weird homophobic and anti-trans comments on youtube videos about steven universe. that combined with all the "trans snowflake cringe compilation" videos that were so popular was really disheartening.

@GremlinJohnny

10 ай бұрын

ugh that was such a terrible time... so sorry you went through that. also on an unrelated note, i love your clay pfp :)

@fanonymouse

10 ай бұрын

Bruh I’ve been seeing your comments everywhere, from TomSka videos to this ;-; Anyways sorry you had to go through that, there are people out there who cherry-pick at anything trans people do

@SuperMonaLisaBros

10 ай бұрын

You say that like it's not still happening.

@chimerathebatpony

10 ай бұрын

And this is why I am so glad. That I didn't deep you fall down the alt-right rabbit hole. I hope that you are doing well .♥

@Adamant_Adam

10 ай бұрын

@@chimerathebatpony No, really. I feel a part of myself heal when I see someone else who didn't fall where I fell. I spent YEARS miserable and in an Egg. Was very MGTOW in my own pre-out trans man way. I still sometimes click onto old videos and see old bad takes I had, Projecting my issues onto other, happier trans folks. I'm still making up for it everyday. I know I hurt a lot of people, no one more than myself. I'm still learning to do better, and forgive myself for the crap I've said and done. One thing I can appreciate is even though I was spoon-feeding myself that narrative, I always knew deep down it was malicious. Was always being shat on, despite trying my best to be "one of the good ones". ...Eventually I crawled out. Started with Blaire White and moved to Kalvin Garrah, then to people like Sam Collins and Samantha Lux. Spent a lot of time reflecting, and learned to stop deflecting. A lot happier now that I let myself love myself, and let others do the same. Hope anyone else putting themselves through the same realize, you can just... stop. Whenever. And a lot of us, we'll understand where you were and why.

I’m a trans man, and again; if I want to appear more like my assigned gender at birth (female), I have to take birth control, estrogen pills, and medication to reduce my beard growth, along with plucking my facial hair. I haven’t started testosterone nor anything of the sorts. My body naturally produces testosterone. Even with all the meds I’m prescribed, I keep growing facial hair and don’t have a regular cycle. Going off them slowly, trying to look like a woman when my brain and body say “man” just because it says I’m a female on my birth certificate and because of what I have between my legs.

@egg_bun_

10 ай бұрын

Wait, you haven't started testosterone, but yet you have a beard?

@incineroar9933

10 ай бұрын

@@egg_bun_ have. I have pcos and my body produces too much testosterone for me to not have a noticeable beard, mustache, and long hair on my knuckles and toes. All throughout highschool I was bullied for it

@dealmakerscasino9762

10 ай бұрын

Guessing something like PCOS or similar. I have that and similar conditions and my genetics are crazy. Same experience! Having such high T levels was hell when I was a kid. I used to resort to strips of duct tape to wax. I was assigned female a birth and was expected to act it. My body had other plans. 😂

@Eosinophyllis

10 ай бұрын

I’m nonbinary and I don’t sound remotely like I’m AFAB when I speak around my friends and speak or sing into a mic because I have a naturally low voice. I frequently confuse people because I look like a girl (vaguely) but sound like a guy (vaguely). I do tenor parts almost exclusively because alto is too high for me, for God’s sake!

@incineroar9933

10 ай бұрын

@@Eosinophyllis Yeah, I was always in tenor in band myself. For a long time, I was completely neurotic/obsessive about plucking my chin and stomach/chest hair and shaving my mutton chops. I got the worst bullying because of that, I still remember trying to hide away and get changed only to be physically hurt by my peers. It was rough, my mom would corner me with hot wax to rip out my body hair no matter how much I begged her to stop because it hurt and burned.

The E;R video was awful. Nothing in it was as dumb as the video you responded to before it by Ez;PZ in which he called Peridot a man and basically decides to transvestigate cartoon characters in a fictional show though. It's disturbing that so many people saw nothing weird about this

@table2.0

10 ай бұрын

I watched the video so long ago now.. how the hell did he come to the conclusion of misgendering a cartoon space rock..?

@JohnathanWilliamson849

10 ай бұрын

gonna seethe about it?

@thevarietychannelofyoutube4769

10 ай бұрын

@@JohnathanWilliamson849 So, you think it's good that he's dumb because he's owning the libs with how dumb he is? That's your average conservative online, I guess

@47ratsinahoodie

10 ай бұрын

@@JohnathanWilliamson849 I mean it sounds like you are behind your screen ngl 💀

@something974

10 ай бұрын

​@@JohnathanWilliamson849ngl the only person seething rn is you, you respond to so many people agreeing with the video, dont you have a life to live? Why are you wasting your time trying to be edgy or something?

When said people mock the notion of "Not letting is go" when you correct bad faith and hateful takes, I am liable to point to how bullies have that luxury in general of not remembering being bullies/taking much responsibility for whatever they spout. Those on the other hand who have to deal with their hurtful nonsense don't have that luxury. And there is no shortage of bullies to be found either on the internet, or real life, especially when it comes to this particular topic.

@mr.x2567

10 ай бұрын

Bullies make good target practice though

@Icetea-2000

8 ай бұрын

Oh right, those who have to deal with the hurtful nonsense of a deleted video, that is gone for over half a decade now

@videocrowsnest5251

8 ай бұрын

@@Icetea-2000 Five years is quite the short time. I still to this day carry the wounds of the bullying done to me, and it's been far longer than five years. Do my wounds go away just because some of the bullies have grown up and stopped being malicious enjoyers of pain? To drop a good quote to sum it up: "The axe forgets, but the tree remembers. " The wrong thing done at the wrong time can also have disastrous and tragic consequences at worst - which while may not be on the mind of someone engaged in bullying, doesn't change the fact this is the case. No amount of video deletion can undo that. Especially as while I don't know about the video maker's mind, the same underlying problems continue to persist and exist. The video also doesn't exist in isolation, but contributes to quite the phenomena. Five years is chickenfeed in time at that point. Especially as the same bogus talking points are still being puked out ad nauseam all over the place in pretty much just as foul a form.

@Icetea-2000

8 ай бұрын

@@videocrowsnest5251 If you equate a semi-ironic meme video ragging on a cartoon you liked to you being physically bullied then that’s a you problem, you have severe issues. Imagine being such a consumer that you’re legitimately shook to the core like this by criticism of a show you didn’t even make but simply watched And nothing said in that video was wrong.

@videocrowsnest5251

8 ай бұрын

@@Icetea-2000 Umm....you are making a whole lot of assumptions there, as well as having quite the mocking, condescending tone of superiority. The last point - which is heavily incorrect, and speaks lowly of you due to how it contains bigotry, mind you - gives me the understanding you came in looking to pick a fight based on your own incorrect opinions rather than come to any sort of understanding, or even to discuss anything. Thus, I am going to leave it here and not continue to converse with you if this is the level at which you wish to operate at. I do hope you have a good rest of day though.

You’re telling me the neo-Nazi doesn’t understand gender? Color me shocked!

@bayardkyyako7427

10 ай бұрын

"Wow just because he hates jewish people and mentioned the shows creator being jewish and how shes a pedo that means he's a nazi huh? You just disagree with him and are triggered!" -Guy who hates human rights

@Ciurk

10 ай бұрын

@@bayardkyyako7427 what are you even trying to say

@bayardkyyako7427

10 ай бұрын

@@Ciurk Do I honestly have to explain that I was parroting what a right wing chud would say anytime someone gets called a nazi?

@Ciurk

10 ай бұрын

@@scrim2518 💀

@bayardkyyako7427

10 ай бұрын

@@scrim2518 Science doesn't agree, cope,

As for the end of the video, it’s wild that people just blatantly lie and misquote Rebecca all the time, that shits insane to me. And since it’s online or on Twitter people don’t find sources they just take someone’s word of mouth as truth smh.

@mr.x2567

10 ай бұрын

I’m honestly looking forward to human extinction because of shit like this.

@poweroffriendship2.0

10 ай бұрын

And what is even sadder is that they end up getting away with it. All the damage is something that shouldn't be forgiven, especially for Lily Orchard, of all people.

God, I’m so embarrassed that I let this segment of that video be convincing to me when I was young. People like E;R are truly despicable for spreading this kind of rhetoric, especially when it can be picked up by children like I was.

@jeanvictor8178

10 ай бұрын

You know, i kinda hoping e;r answer this vídeos just to see what he would comment

@SuperMonaLisaBros

10 ай бұрын

He also shat on TLOK. He's pretty sus.

@Sneaker3719

10 ай бұрын

@@SuperMonaLisaBros He's not sus. It has been abundantly clear for years that he is a full-on Neo-Nazi.

@jeanvictor8178

10 ай бұрын

@@SuperMonaLisaBros TLOK isn't really good tbh

@JohnathanWilliamson849

10 ай бұрын

If Steven Universe was any good then why are the only people who defend it adults?

As a trans man who grew up hairy, muscular and, yes, a little fat. I am by no means a "true female" they don't exist. My brain is just uncomfortable with the more female aspects of myself. And a fun little tid bit; my mum had an influx of testosterone when i was being developed. This led EVEN doctors to believe id be born male. I wasnt. But i had male characteristics and VERY early signs of Gender Dysphoria. Basically theres a chance my brain was altered by hormones as i developed. Also the misrepresentation of the John Money case is ACTUALLY proof of gender internally. If you FORCE a child to be another gender they will not be happy. Making a none trans person be trans you'd be giving a cis person gender dysphoria exactly like what trans people do. (Which I'm very glad you explained)

@lifeisadrag7705

10 ай бұрын

Straight fax, no printer

@tarantulasareterfs

10 ай бұрын

You are right about "true females" - they dont exist. Because you either female, ir you are not. It is not a spectrum, it is not a goal, you dont do anything to achieve it, you dont work for it. Its just your bodytype, and bodytypes are different. If we lived in a non-patriachial society male/female would be just as neutral as someone's height. You are influenced by sexist ideas - a woman is hairless, slim, weak. You understand that its made up, but you are influenced by a harmful idea. You think "women are slim, weak, hairless, while i am hairy and fat. Women dont exist" instead of "who made me think about THIS idea of womanhood, and who benefits from framing women as weak beauty objects"

@AlexReynard

10 ай бұрын

"I am by no means a "true female" they don't exist." Of course they exist. Dude, we believe you're trans. But you can be trans without lying that cis women aren't real. That's like if you're blind and you insist that no one can actually see, they're just lying to you.

@Peasham

10 ай бұрын

​@@AlexReynardSo you're saying that having a built-in undeveloped penis makes someone a true woman?

@IMMACYCLOPS

10 ай бұрын

you mean, "they will NOT be happy"?

I think I saw a tv documentary about the case of J Money and the terrible harm his "experiment" caused when I was like twelve. I was just a kid but what I took away from it was that you shouldn't force anyone to be something they aren't or don't want to be. I was a tomboy (and still am!) so I found the documentary fascinating since I was a girl who didn't fit the gender norms people were trying to force on me. It's also about consent- especially informed medical consent. Something that did not basically exist at all back in the 60's when Money was allowed to torment David Reimer. If you want to read about other extremely infamous stories about the power and influence doctors had over their patients during that time search "James C. Burt" aka "Love Doctor" it's real real bad. It's inherently transphobic to compare the human experiment Money did to consensual, well-informed, well-researched medical procedures trans people want and go through. Thanks sm for your videos! Cheers!

@JohnathanWilliamson849

10 ай бұрын

YWNBAW. Transsexuality is a outdated and fucked up belief that should have died in the 1980s when people realized that you can't be the little girl you think you could be.

@AlexReynard

10 ай бұрын

"It's inherently transphobic to compare the human experiment Money did to consensual, well-informed, well-researched medical procedures trans people want and go through." Not when so many gender clinic whistleblowers point out that, no, the procedures in these clinics breaks every principle of medical ethics. I *wish* that what you just said was true. No. People are against the gender-affirming care model because it is being run by ideologues like Money- who are STILL trying to prove that gender is purely social- and greedy doctors who simply want to fast-track as many patients as possible to the most expensive treatment options. Do you remember in the 90s when ADHD was wildly overdiagnosed to get kids hooked on Adderall, Ritalin, and Lithium? Why would the same profession suddenly become trustworthy now?

@Peasham

10 ай бұрын

​@@AlexReynardThose gender clinic whistleblowers that can never prove or substantiate their claim in any way shape or form that are regularly objectively disproven by anyone actually looking into the clinics, assuming they even worked there in the first place, which they likewise provide zero evidence towards? Wow, what a source. And no, people recognizing science that you disagree with due to your biases is the opposite of ideology, sorry.

@pardontheopinion8679

10 ай бұрын

I guess you missed where the ENTIRE concept of gender is credited to him?

@Peasham

10 ай бұрын

​@@pardontheopinion8679He did miss the thing conservatives made up, yes. You're lying, knowingly. Sad. I know I couldn't live with myself if I did that.

Thank you very much for restoring a better media discourse around a very harmless and wholesome cartoon! Serious question though, isn't framing Sugar as a potential abuser and comparing her to Money a case of defamation that could be taken legal actions against? A widespread claim that someone intends to harm children with absolutely no substance to back up the claim doesn't sound too legal...

@HidinginPrivate

10 ай бұрын

Defamation & libel is hinged on if an untruthful statement was spread broadly and motivated by the person knowing they were lying. So even though there's a good chance E;R knew it was bs, it's hard to prove to a legally persecutable degree. Say if there were messages of him saying as much or a recording of him admitting it then yeah rebecca prob could prosecute

@edisontrent618

8 ай бұрын

@@HidinginPrivate I only just found out about your stuff and I'm so glad I had never wasted any of my time on your lies before now.

@TheHalogen131

8 ай бұрын

Didn't she draw shota pictures of Ed Edd and Eddy? That seems pretty sus to me.

@Falkflip

8 ай бұрын

@@TheHalogen131 As far as I understand, she did draw that at the age of 16, but DEFINITELY before she worked at cartoon network. She shouldn't have put it on the internet, but given her own age I consider this very excusable. What matters most to me is that absolutely NONE of the art she produced as a mature adult for a public audience contains anything like this and that she has never done any harm.

@moviemaestro800

8 ай бұрын

@@edisontrent618 Such as...

*"Without growth, you aren't human."* - Hiding in Private

@pardontheopinion8679

10 ай бұрын

Cancer is human, it grows =)

@palemeadows

10 ай бұрын

@@pardontheopinion8679You’re a little boring, huh?

@pardontheopinion8679

10 ай бұрын

@@palemeadows that's really your best rebuttal? Fuck, I expect better when I deal with legbutts

@Silver_Prussian

5 ай бұрын

Well I have grown to hate the alphabet people more and more. Thats growth so I am human.

Oh my gosh yes, genetic variation. It’s so hard for some people to comprehend it seems.

There was a period of time it was hard to be a SU fan. Hating on the show was like the latest trend everyone online needed to be a part of. It’s so good to see people in recent years actually watching the show and loving it for what it actually is.

@gabiwolf1439

10 ай бұрын

WAS?

@NorthMountainFairy

10 ай бұрын

@@gabiwolf1439 yeah, I do feel like that is not the same any more. I’ve been watching so many channels absolutely sucked into it recently. A younger generation is seeing with fresh eyes, not influenced by a trending hate-bandwagon. I love watching them discover all the major plot points and be floored by things that floored me. Rebecca Sugar created beautiful work. It should be appreciated. I’m sure there are still lots of folks out there hating on it, but I am hearing far more voices praising it than deriding it in the last year or so.

@poweroffriendship2.0

10 ай бұрын

Yeah. The show got a lot of undeserving hate, but this all happened because of Lily Orchard, EZPZ, and E;R who happened to be horrible people who deserves to get called out for their BS.

@moviemaestro800

8 ай бұрын

@@scrim2518 Got a problem with that?

I too watched E;R's video before experiencing the show. I've now watched the show and made many trans friends. The Dr. Money argument is so broken that even before I really understood what a trans person was I thought it was flawed. I'd say that it proves gender is a characteristic of the mind that cannot be altered, which basically proves the point that trans people exist, but the methodology was so badshit insane that I wouldn't feel comfortable using it as a pro-trans argument. These two brothers were forced to molest each other as children, David's genitals were mutilated. Even if David was born female, how would that not scar him for life?

@Peasham

10 ай бұрын

Considering Money's goal was to disprove gender dysphoria, it's absolutely fine to use this as a pro-trans argument, as its origins are anti-trans in the first place and it failed spectacularly.

@pardontheopinion8679

10 ай бұрын

Ideology still springs from basically mad scientist experiments, and are based on entirely subjective bs.

@mrsplays9817

8 күн бұрын

That's one part that people who support the experiment never try to explain: "he was raised as a perfectly normal and ordinary girl" -except for all that abuse that "perfectly normal and ordinary girls" don't go through.

Really hate it took people 7 years to start realizing ER criticisms were shit.

@PlatinumAltaria

10 ай бұрын

If any of their thumbnails have a picture of a woman making an angry face, they're a neonazi. Not sure why that's a correlation but it just is.

@burner555

10 ай бұрын

​@@PlatinumAltaria it's them saying "modern woman ugly bad" "woman bad" "woman no pretty, therefore feminism bad"

@pardontheopinion8679

10 ай бұрын

​@@burner555word salad made to "debunk" something after deplatforming attempts failed

@poweroffriendship2.0

10 ай бұрын

E;R's takes just aged like milk.

@anitacrumbly

10 ай бұрын

i was in my early 20's when SU came out so wasn't online much and had no clue about all the backlash i'm sad someone didn't rebutt that crap sooner I would have made a video (it would have been crappy but still something)

YAYYY it’s here it’s here!!! thank you so much for taking all this time to make these videos. they are so full of good info

did y'all see rebecca sugar is off of her years long mental health break from social media and doing tiktok? i pray she finds these videos before the the SU haters find her....

@HidinginPrivate

10 ай бұрын

True! I hope she sees people are out there giving them support

I may not like Steven Universe as a whole but the to the good messages and positive representation that it brought to the medium are something i respect and champion. Ironically in current events a lot of people who were hyper critical of the show itself and the story (not the messaging and representation) have been defending it from post mortem flanderization lately. I think it speaks volumes to the quality of the characters and most of the shows writing

8:12 I like this imagery used here because it reminds me of a similar thing shown in Steven Universe. Jasper (I think) was talking about the Diamonds, and how each gem made to serve them had to fit perfectly into their role, and those that didn't fit into their role were eradicated. Not sure if that was intentional, but it's topical! Edit: It's always funny to see people argue that what John Money did proves that trans people don't exist is always hilarious in a sad way to me as a trans person when it, quite literally, proves the opposite. Some don't seem to realize that trans people are *David* in this scenario, not John Money (i.e., that trans people are the ones being forced to be the gender they aren't, not the people forcing others to become another gender)

I'm glad that this segment of your series got its own video. Properly learning about gender is really important, and there were some things here that i actually didn't know prior, like how trans people have Grey matter in their brains that align with the gender they identify as

@JohnathanWilliamson849

10 ай бұрын

There's no such thing as gender, Transsexuality is an outdated belief that should have died in the 1980s when people realized you cant do that but the people in charge are using this disatrous ideology to create soldiers for their army.

@VirtualQuarkInterface

10 ай бұрын

That one's a little iffy, the study has flaws, but social and environmental pressures do affect one's neurology, and in the same way a social development can go differently like with Dyslexia, or say autism, due to underlying biological and neurological differences or epigenetic ones, it's not at all surprising the same would happen with gender, most people will be molded by their social environment, and some people just won't fit, and that would be what we call being trans. Also in utero hormones seem to have some role on gender.

@JohnathanWilliamson849

10 ай бұрын

@@VirtualQuarkInterface that's what we would call delusions.

@VirtualQuarkInterface

10 ай бұрын

@@JohnathanWilliamson849 how is that a delusion? I only listed known medical truths, even if you dislike trans people or think transitioning is wrong, the data doesn't change, you can draw whatever conclusion from the data, but the data is reality, the only person who is ignoring reality here is you I'm afraid.

@amisterblah

10 ай бұрын

@@VirtualQuarkInterface if that was true then the experiment that had a cis boy be forced to be turned into a girl as an infant and raised as a girl would've identified as a woman instead of a man

The way E;R describes the John money experiment is so sickening. He is trying to convince you that this guy was a horrible leftist abuser all while making jokes at the expense of this poor kid who committed suicide. Which means he isn’t only wrong on a fundamental level about what the experiment teaches us, but he’s openly being a jerk about it. Respect to David, it sucks that he had to go through that just for people to misunderstand his life and make fun of him.

@Tendo641

10 ай бұрын

isn't it funny how transphobic people are always like "being trans makes people kill themselves, stop promoting something that's hurting people" all while making 41% jokes and laughing every time they hear about a trans person taking their life? almost like they don't actually care about anyone's well-being and rather just want a moral-seeming justification to hide the fact they just hate trans people and that's as deep as it gets?

@magicman9552

10 ай бұрын

Making a joke is not nearly as bad as what Dr. Money did to that kid. E;R was absolutely right about him.

@flynnspencer3938

10 ай бұрын

@@magicman9552so that makes it ok to laugh at the expense of a victim of John money anti trans experiments?

@magicman9552

10 ай бұрын

@@flynnspencer3938 They're dead, so I don't think they'll be too upset by it. And it wasn't an anti-trans experiment, it was an experiment to affirm gender theory.

@flynnspencer3938

10 ай бұрын

@@magicman9552 the whole fucking point of the experiment was to prove that gender dysphoria wasn’t real and that if you had a boy live as a girl it wouldn’t effect them. And wouldn’t you know it he was wrong he drove a boy to suicide over his intense dysphoria. Did you even watch the video you’re responding to? Like seriously if you don’t want to listen why even watch?

You described perfectly the concept of "Not even Wrong". That phrase refers to statements that are so incoherent, they barely reflect any sort of reality. To be wrong would be to understand the concept in its most basic fundamentals, which people like E;R lack.

hey. persona 4 is not a personality.

@LevantineR1

8 ай бұрын

When it comprises the bulk of your perspective, it may actually be your personality.

it’s honestly so crazy that you have to go this hard in defense of a kids show because some adults can’t come to terms that genderless space rock aliens w/ (mostly) female VAs and these rock ppls might like each other

Love the video! I hope this spreads to the right people. On a somewhat related note, before your video I never heard of John Money, and thought it was a joke. John Money sounds like the evil CEO of a Walmart parody in an animated movie.

a few years ago i fell for these videos as well, now steven universe holds a special place in my heart

@nicoleflores2054

10 ай бұрын

same, for me, I was hiding how I truly feel about this show due of how big the hate was and that EVERYBODY seemed to hate it, which that didn't help with my insecurity of liking things on my own but thankfully, I've been more focus on what I like or dislike, rather than what a big public prefers.

@moviemaestro800

8 ай бұрын

I notice that it's usually teens/young adults who haven't figured themselves out yet, and going through a cringe phase, that tend to enjoy content like what's responded to here. Most eventually mature out of it, and reject the old content. I should know, as that is literally what happened to me too. And, how I know the lingering fans are stuck is that their vernacular literally hasn't changed from when the original vid came out in about 2016. Looking at the most recent responses is a fascinating time capsule of horror.

thanks for making this video I was one of the commenters that requested the separated part it is very good

@HidinginPrivate

10 ай бұрын

Here it is! Happy to make it, and have it on its own

I'm not surprised that E;R is wrong about anything.

E:R being wrong is like saying water is wet.

@gabiwolf1439

10 ай бұрын

I dont wanna be that guy but Water isnt actually wet Wetness is something that ocurrs when a liquid comes in contact with a solid object Sorry for this qwq

@IsaacMyers1

10 ай бұрын

@@gabiwolf1439right. It’s not like the literal definition of wet is covered by a liquid. You know that one molecule of water in the middle of the cup, yeah, covered by water.

@BIGstonks

10 ай бұрын

@@IsaacMyers1 a *solid object* being covered by a liquid. another water molecule is not a solid object.

@Scatmanseth

7 ай бұрын

@@BIGstonks From Merriam-Webster: wet 1 of 3 adjective ˈwet wetter; wettest Synonyms of wet 1 a : consisting of, containing, covered with, or soaked with liquid (such as water) Atleast one popular definition does not require the object to be solid.

@peeblekitty5780

6 ай бұрын

@@gabiwolf1439 "i don't wanna be that guy but [is that guy]"

I always avoided videos like E;R's because they just kind of gave that "vibe" y'know? I don't like Steven Universe particularly either, but, I remember watching this one video where the author accused Rebecca Sugar of being a Nazi for not holding her fictional giant space rock characters up to the Geneva Conventions. Like that's wild man 😂

@theepicduck6922

10 ай бұрын

My perspective: If you can't critique someone, guess just try to tear down their work. Guess based on his metrics it at least got the attention he desired. Not saying it's a fulfilling outcome but guess he got what he wanted.

@ineedzemedic5810

6 ай бұрын

4 months late. For me you can always tell who gives off that "vibe". Ive grown up around a lot of conservatives who didnt have savory things to say. Its always a look they have or the way they phrase things. Maybe im just pedantic, but I relate to what you mean.

Thanks for this, this segment really gave me a lot more clarity!

i am glad to have a memory so atrocious that i have seen one of these videos ONCE, EVER and retain nothing about it

You layed all of this out so perfectly, thankyou

Im glad you've been doing what you've been doing, and thank you for reposting this bit. It's very dense, and the language barrier sure doesnt help, so now i'll have a easier time going over it again

@HidinginPrivate

10 ай бұрын

Yeah it certainly is, even for a native speaker. Glad to make it more accessible

Kinda related to something you mentioned I tried saying, out loud, "I am a girl" and "I am a woman". And I could not say it (for context, I'm afab but identify as agender) Heck, I was gagging, as I typed those two things out So, in a way. I guess that was my brain going "no you're not, why are you making me say this?"

@stellastarfield1111

10 ай бұрын

I'm also an agender femme and saying the phrase "I am a woman" makes me sick. Bleh.

@palemeadows

10 ай бұрын

@@stellastarfield1111its odd for me as a transmasc fluidfem, as saying im a men is often more uncomfortable, but so is beinf a ciswoman

@chuyuen441

8 ай бұрын

how did words make u gag

@moviemaestro800

8 ай бұрын

@@chuyuen441 Don't underestimate the power of speech, my friend. If words had no meaning or impact, we wouldn't have poetry.

@spritesensation

7 ай бұрын

​@@chuyuen441trying to convince yourself to genuinely believe something you dont believe can make you uncomfortable

What you're doing here is awesome, I'm so glad you're speaking up!

12:35 you skipped over David response to the whole situation. That’s very interesting indeed.

@HidinginPrivate

6 ай бұрын

David's response if totally irrelevant to the argument. He says nothing in it that provides a different account so someone including it in their argument is only using it to try and make an appeal to emotion. As Beb Shapibo once said "Facts don't care about your feelings"

@thatrandomredengine9430

6 ай бұрын

@@HidinginPrivate You watch Ben Shapiro but believe in all this nonsense about transexuals and the other 76 genders? Bit odd ain’t it?

@moviemaestro800

6 ай бұрын

I think we've found us a fan of PureFlix, because this is the exact same strawmanning I have seen in their flicks.

@yankieowl7663

4 ай бұрын

​@@moviemaestro800 there are only two sexes

@moviemaestro800

4 ай бұрын

​@@yankieowl7663 There are also only two elements. Hydrogen and Helium. Everything else is an abominable anomaly. 🤣

im really glad that you made you made a video about e;r's vid. i used to watch his videos back then and didn't realize how hateful they were.

As an intersex individual with two x chromosomes. I loved this. Im sending this too all my friends.

@HidinginPrivate

10 ай бұрын

Thanks! Hope it helps!

Thank you for making this part its own video. I might use it a lot.

I’ve always held the belief that nothing in life can be put into neat little boxes. There will always be exceptions to the preconceived rule of how we think things should be.

Wish you’d have put links to all your sources in the description or comment. I know you flash articles on the screen but it’d be nice to read them all myself. Not even to say I disagree with your point, I just wanna do more research

Bro's unleashing the Myraid Truths against corruption.

@HidinginPrivate

10 ай бұрын

I love Persona 4

thanks for making these videos and being willing to put yourself out there about this stuff. I sort of semi-enjoyed SU while it was releasing (i was in HS at the time it was coming out, so it was really big amongst my friends) but I wanted so badly to distance myself from it because I didn't want to be like 'those annoying gay people'. I remember watching the lily orchard video back in the day, and while I didn't totally agree with her, I didn't bother to put in enough thought to actively disagree with the bunk points she was making. I think it's just a shame I did not get to actively enjoy SU when I was younger because of the toxicity not WITHIN the community of fans (though I do know it has it's issues. But frankly, what large fandom doesn't have drama?) but from without. I think the discourse around SU really does need a change, and your videos are a refreshing breath of air into a dead, stagnant, and vile conversation about it that has just been circlejerking itself into infinity all these years.

I'm glad you made these videos because it brought light to these videos and their question statements about gender. I'm also glad I didn't watch these all those years ago because it would've affected my viewpoint of Steven Universe. Great work with these videos.

AMAZING VIDEO! gonna start quoting your arguments

@HidinginPrivate

10 ай бұрын

Thanks! Hope it helps some

I’ve never heard of the John Money case, but I am disgusted after hearing what he did.

Wow, that's a nice touch for original video! Thanks for adding it!

@HidinginPrivate

10 ай бұрын

Sure thing!

I remember wanting to watch Steven Universe back in 2018. I didn’t watch it from the beginning for whatever reason despite watching and loving shows like Adventure Time, Regular Show, and Gumball. I remember the promos made the show look like another Uncle Grandpa and I wasn’t interested. Big mistake on my part. But at the time I saw all the videos you are bringing up and I decided that the toxic air surrounding the discourse of the show was too much for me and I decided to not watch it. But earlier this year, I decided to watch SU on HBO Max and I ended up loving it. The show has flaws but I ended up really enjoying it. Definitely in my Top 10 favorite animated shows ever. So thank you for tearing all these videos that prevented me from watching the show in the first place 5 years ago to shreds. It’s honestly so cathartic what you’re doing.

I think E;R is wrong about a lot more lol, but that's a good start

@SuperMonaLisaBros

10 ай бұрын

Lifehack: Read E:R's comment section to instantly lose faith in humanity! 100% guaranteed, works every time!

Thank you for all of these videos that addressed SU and other important topics in an ill-manner. I've actually gotten around and watch the series because of these videos actually and it's been a lot of fun! Especially with Episode 7, It's crazy that these people discredit the show when the show is just so cute and full of soul. Also I REALLY love the touches like in Episode 6 when Amethyst transformed Purple Puma one second out of habit then Episode 9 comes in and elaborates more. Keep it up!

I'm so glad that you posted this as its own video, and so glad for the work you put in disproving their hateful rhetoric.

@moviemaestro800

8 ай бұрын

It may not be working on the folks who already made up their minds, judging by more recent comments from E;R fans, but I certainly hope this can help with folks who are more unsure.

@whirlingincosmos

8 ай бұрын

The expression pfp, happy to see another DE fan.

Its funny how I am watching this video which explains how gender actually works, there is an ad by The Epoch Times that fearmongers about transgender. KZread is clearly doing weird stuff with their ads.

@teo00907

10 ай бұрын

Council of Geeks made a great video about this, but basically, bigoted advertisers intentionally target queer-friendly content to put their ads in

@autismobinch135

7 ай бұрын

Epoch times is run by a Chinese cult Conservatives really think a Chinese cult knows more about gender than people who have dedicated their lives to studying it.

thank you for this break down of gender, I tried to do this on my own channel with very little luck, So i'm glad that a massive channel is spreading such great and much needed information at this time.

As a human physiologist, I think I can possibly offer further insight on the whole gender vs sex thing: (I'm sorry about the lowkey essay by the way) There's a principle in the human body called epigenetics--TL;DR, we used to think the human body contained 140,000 individual genes due to there being 140,000 different proteins that can be formed by DNA and RNA, we eventually discovered there were actually only 20,000 genes and that the way 20,000 genes can form 140,000 proteins is that some genes "team up" with others to do so with others going dormant until they have to "team up" with a gene to form certain proteins. Basically, you can think of genes as being able to be "switched on/off", depending on the environment the body finds itself placed in. Something that I think many miss in this eternal back-n'-forth about gender and sex is that both sides can be true at once: there is a fundamental biological difference between male and female with certain traits being attributed to each gender on a fundamental biological level, but that doesn't mean our expressions of our genetics can't place us in an entirely different place than hard one way or hard the other way. If you were born as a biological male, but you're raised in an environment that makes your body perceive inherent danger in being male, your body can and will absolutely downregulate the activation of certain genes that relate to the biological traits one would expect from a male, and upregulate the activation of others that align more with what's "understood" as inherently feminine to better fit this environment, thereby leading you to express what culture would define as traits of the opposite sex. Now obviously that doesn't mean you'll lose your male genitalia for female genitalia just because your body sees more benefits to displaying inherently feminine traits, but you'll probably see changes in things like hair growth, breast growth, even stature and voice depth due to this principle of epigenetics. People mistake this as being entirely up to hormones, and while they do play A role, what's driving their role, at the end of the day, is the body sensing more benefits to having them in different levels than previous--men who inject synthetic HGH, aka steroids, will have less HGH be produced by their own bodies because the body senses that there's already adequate HGH as is even though the synthetic HGH is ultimately only mimicking natural HGH. HRT is basically the procedure coaxing the body to change its genetic expression of biological traits by virtue of altering the estrogen/androgen levels in the body out of balance (which makes it sound more harmful than it is, but I don't know a better way to word it). This, I would wager, is likely why Money's experiment didn't pan out the way he likely intended it to: David was never in an environment where his body perceived an inherent problem with its current state, he was just simply told to do something. On a genetic level, you can't force your body to feel a certain way, it has to get to that point on its own, and it only does that through sensing internal levels of various things like hormones, inflammation, etc. and deciding they need to shift to maintain balance. Also, of course, a kid his age at that time won't even have the mental capacity for energy expenditure TO perceive an issue with their body's state by virtue of, y'know, having a body to grow, meaning Money's experiment was flawed from the very start. It's funny, looking through comments and seeing people say stuff like "the next time I see a pack of wolves, I'll make sure not to assume their gender", because this epigenetic expression is handled by our brain, with humans being unique in the world of mammals in the sense that we have frontal lobes, giving us the ability to perceive threats differently and more accurately than other animals. Epigenetics are absolutely present in wolves--that's why we have domesticated breeds of dogs today--but we don't see this type of behavior in wolves (or dogs, for that matter) because wolves and humans are biologically very different, with different brain structures designed to perceive and handle threats in very different ways, simple as that. So TL;DR: human physiology and human genetics dictate that sex and gender ARE different things, and feeling "wrong" being a certain gender rather than another is NOT simply "all in your head", it's the body sensing a problem that needs to be fixed due to the environment it's placed in. And while there are many ways to solve this problem, transitioning is a fine and valid way to do it, I say.

@testudoeratnumen5554

19 күн бұрын

Finally a differentiated opinion! Btw. thanks. I've learnt a lot ^^

6:42 I feel like it should be clarified that it's only certain parts of the MTF brain that were found to be more similar to cis women than cis men... but then the conclusion to draw is that this part of the brain is closely linked to gender identity. It's also good to mention that the MTF people studied had not undergone any HRT or other procedures, so trans people really are wired different mentally. Great video, and the study shown here was really interesting to read more into. Good show!

I’m proud of you dude you worked so much for defending this show with good prooves

I used to have an E;R phase, and I uncritically accepted his video on Steven Universe.(I used to be very stupid) Now that I am a mature person and finally decided to give it a watch myself, I find it hard to believe that E;R ever watched a single episode of the series to begin with. I get that he has conservative views, so it would make sense for someone like him to dislike the show from the get-go, but he's entirely dishonest. Like I genuinely believe he didn't watch any of it. I almost think he wouldn't be worth responding to if it weren't for the fact that his video is hugely popular, and convinced a lot of people who haven't seen it that the show is something that it is not. The show is great. Like honestly a 10/10 for me. The only criticisms I find hard to defend about the show are about the Diamonds. Other than that, it has a lot of great messages that I feel like most people can get behind. This show gets trashed so often its criminal. Even by the fanbase sometimes.

Let me ask you something: You are right that people are sometimes born with genetic mutations that can cause the underdevelopment of the genitals and other important sex-determined traits. However, there are also genetic disorders that can cause the underdevelopment of other regions of the body. For example, some people are born with more or less fingers than five. Given this, is the number of fingers and other body parts which can be under/over developed mean that those body parts are also on a spectrum? Are the number of fingers and heads people have on a spectrum, or are you just wrong about the central point in your video?

@HidinginPrivate

6 ай бұрын

Well yes they literally are. We would say "typically humans have 5 fingers, sometimes people are born with more or less though" same as "typically people's gender identity correlates with secondary sex characteristics. More uncommonly for some people they don't" If someone responded with "no! Humans have 5 fingers per hand. 5. that's all. People can't have more or less fingers" they would rightfully be acknowledged as ridiculous

@rupop78

5 ай бұрын

So we agree that physical and mental characteristics can lie on a paradigm. But in the case of most if not all physical deviations (being born with less fingers) you would agree that this is something that deviates from the norm and does not constitute as something which is true in 99% of cases, because something has to go wrong for it to occur, right? In other words, we agree that deviations most often lead to a decreased quality of life.

@blunderbuss1395

5 ай бұрын

@@rupop78 have you considered the fact most people have a lot of major flaws, including genetic disorders way more common than something superficial like "number of fingers" that cause way increased likeliness of ailments that usually cause people to die at way earlier ages? do you think those people who deviate from the "norm" in not-so-visible ways are miserable, even if they aren't aware of the fact they "deviate from the norm", in actual, REALLY important ways, unlike finger count? you clearly are overblowing rather superficial deviations in the status quo of humans, completely contradicting what mr. hiding god bless his soul eloquently said, while daring to act like you are on the same page with such nasty, shallow disregard of humans. also take better care of your fish asshole corydoras are schooling fish and they need to be with their own kind aswell as the black neon tetra and i think that one danio

Throwin’ this in before watching. Honestly i’ll admit in the past, and for a while that i somewhat took E;R’s stupid take. I mean, even at the time i didn’t think that correlated to Rebecca Sugar being a p-phile, or gender in general being a bad concept… I just believed that the guy that invented gender was a horrible human being… Although even before thinking about how horrible it is for E;R to try to discredit gender just to dunk Steven Universe, I sort of just found myself not aligned to his style of humor overtime… and like i really fell off of watching him when i decided to watch Korra with my sister and found myself enjoying it. It’s not the iredeemable garbage (not as god as last airbender of course but still fun) he claimed it was, alongside steven universe, i always liked it when it aired on cartoon network as a kid even before looking into the youtube inferno…. I’ll leave a reply for after i watch this vid later, I just appreciate your efforts to stop the weirdly avertly negative legacy of this show… Kinda hope someone will do the same for clarence, i really enjoyed that one too, although i don’t think it sparks strong negative emotions like su does to some people, lol

@brogoyle

10 ай бұрын

Alright, after watchin’ this segment…. I guess i was right lol, no one actually agrees with the things john money did, not even people that do have an understanding and support of gender as a concept… that’s essentially the biggest thing i wanted to know. And it makes sense also that alot of his conclusions… (ignoring the horrific experiments) would be outdated nowadays. I’ve also somewhat made the mistake of assuming this was a new standalone vid, it was just that i didn’t watch the rest of that initial debunk vid… (part of me can’t withstand the tone of some of those reviewers lol) Alot of the super science in this segment i’d prbly need a double take to fully comprehend, especially the self-admitted heapload of info at the start… I guess for me i can’t say that i was ever x/phobic, nor did i ever become some grand fighter of progressive rights over time. I just went from having a somewhat iffy view of lgbt people at worst to simply wishing them the best… I mean now i have a few online friends in that spectrum and they’re awesome. I mean quick ramble in this ramble, gotta respect them for liking alot of the weird stupid stuff that i do like RPGmaker horror games and Splatoon 3. Idk, it makes me sad whenever i see trans or homophobia now… I can kind of get that activism can be annoying…. And like all kinds of people, LGBT folks can be annoying too. I still don’t do that myself, but alot of them are just humbly tryin’ to live their best lives like myself. And again… just makes me ‘a tad sad’ to see vitriol sometimes

@VirtualQuarkInterface

10 ай бұрын

@@brogoyle just one thing of note, it's always frustrating when people say activism is annoying, cause it's generally fighting for the same basic rights, to be told asking for basic rights is annoying is just well annoying! Not that I don't understand that there are people who complain about nothing, but that's not really activism

@brogoyle

10 ай бұрын

@@VirtualQuarkInterface I suppose i didn’t clarify it too much, i am more so talking about people complaining about nothing. Although i’m also only really mentioning it as more of an “i get some people are bugged out” thing to try to breach into a common nagging point some have to try to get their attention. Of course i know that activism in general is largely necessary too, even in things as small as how some companies overprice crud. Nothing can change if *nobody* speaks up. There’s also just always room for people to go too far, no matter how ‘righteous’ the cause is for lack of a better word.

Hey, just watched your other two SU videos and then this; just wanted to say, you're doing amazing work here. For years I've been an SU fan but had criticisms that I didn't realize were downstream Lily Orchard's video and which I parroted uncritically. I feel like this can happen sometimes with online media analysis, but especially here with SU as there's been so much bad faith engagement from bigots. It sucks there are people harassing you over this, and I hope these videos get enough traction algorithmically, both to effectively counter these narratives and just because you deserve the views and subs for the work you put into these. I've subscribed and I'm looking forward to seeing what you do next, whether SU related or otherwise!

this video deconstructed gender in a way that I never thought of before im not gonna lie

@moviemaestro800

2 ай бұрын

Intriguing, eh? It also opened up a few ideas that even I didn't wholly consider, and I already have strong support for the trans community.

Win so big it had to be posted as its own video.

@HidinginPrivate

10 ай бұрын

True

@Ciurk

10 ай бұрын

exactly what I was thinking when I saw the long video

You massage my brain in all the right places. Wonderful video. 💜

@HidinginPrivate

10 ай бұрын

Thank you!

thank you so much for making these videos, it always depressed me to see these inflammatory and factually incorrect videos on steven universe get so big, because how do you as an average joe tell thousands upons thousands of people that theyre wrong and making stuff up? I felt hopeless about it for a long time, steven universe is a show that really helped me become more confident in myself and my queer identity as a kid, and everyone acts liek its something completely different than what it is, just because someone ELSE gave them an opinion to have on it. Nuance and fact chekcing is incredibly important to me as an adult, and seeing your videos defending steven U has really cleared some old doubting feelings ive had rustling around in the back of my head forever. Keep up the good work!!!

As someone who has been looking for a long time how to express ideas like this to my very closed-minded family, THANK YOU! I’ll def be watching this another hundred times, as well as the other two videos! (which I love, you’re doing awesome work!)

"It was a lie!" Really a small matter.

i love when people stand steadfast in their beliefs i just want you to know i respect you so much and thank you for straightening out the lies

1:56 here is actually an interesting example of this being wrong in not just a gender sense So, your brain has your whole body maped out, a part of the brain for a part of the body you might say. Under normal circumstances, the body parts in the body exist on the body. However, if you say... Get an amputation, your brain won't immediately say "oh, right arm is gone, time to erase that part of the brain." If I remember my Ted Ed videos, this is want causes phantom limb sensations in amputees. So yes, your "mental biology" can 100% disagree with the physical biology

@alqualonde2998

9 ай бұрын

Phantom pain is not a good example of this as it's often caused by misfiring damaged nerves. Mirror hand experiment would be a better example as it can also cause phantom pain. You can trick your brain into thinking a model hand is your real hand lol.

@jackooooooooo

9 ай бұрын

As the other comment pointed out, poor analogy. Phantom pain implies your body is more so confused about something thats missing. In the case of gender, i don't see how this applies. How can you say you feel like a female when you have never necessarily experienced being a female biologically? It's like saying you feel like a dog. Not to discredit dysmorphia, the issue isn't identification, it's that theres no way of validating the fact that you 'feel' like something you have never been. If i have never hated chocolate, and i claim to know i hate chocolate, i cannot validate this feeling because i don't know whats it like to hate chocolate. I have similar feelings, but ultimately i have never hated chocolate. So possibly, yes. Your brain may 'disagree' with your body. The problem is that the claim here is not possible, not because someone CANNOT be a girl, it's that they do not know the experience of being a girl, unlike the experience of having an arm.

@pageturner2958

9 ай бұрын

@@jackooooooooo My comment wasn't and analogy, it was just to disprove that point the person made of "brain never disagress with body" when there are examples when it can. And your chocolate analogy ignores the nuances of gender identity and how it works. Might be better to say "I like the color red but everyone thinks I like green so only buys me green things. I can see people with red things and wish I had those." Although any analogy falls short as analogies do. They are just a way to put things in perspective for people who might not understand a consept.

@jackooooooooo

9 ай бұрын

​@@pageturner2958 What i'm saying is your original point isn't true, because it acts on the premise something can experience something they have experienced before due to the brain tricking itself. What i'm saying is its like saying you wanna be red, but you can't actually 'see' red. You have a good understanding of what red is, and share similarities to red, but fundamentally i don't think you can KNOW what it feels like to be red because you are not red. Or saying you know whats its like to hear when your deaf. Does being a female only come with physically appearing female? No. I'd say theres differences in the male and female experience on a physical, hormonal, chemical and neurological level. Thats why i think discussing sex is a tricky issue, because while i respect their decision to identify that way, and ultimately while i think its not very relevant, i think for the mind to disagree with the body in this context, it would have to KNOW what it feels like.

@pageturner2958

9 ай бұрын

@@jackooooooooo So what you are saying is you have never seen anyone of the opposite gender, no? Because the is what your misinterpretation of my color analogy is suggesting Someone can know "I prefer when people call me this" in the same way they understand "I prefer this color". And being forced to be assosiated with a different idea doesn't change your opinions on it. For example: me favorite color is Teal. Throughout my childhood, however, I was always given pink items (tell them apart from my sisters). Because I never got to experience say... Owning a teal keychain, does that mean I can't tell that I would prefer teal over pink?

The way he discusses David Reimer's case shows what little faith he has in the argument. It's a terrible story of science gone wrong and certainly reinforces you can't just impose gender onto someone, less about transpeople not existing and more you don't just choose to be a sex from your environment. Great moment to joke about it and throw around accusations of being a groomer, okay Money was a sick man even on his own project but jesus.

@Peasham

10 ай бұрын

In fact, it proves the existence of trans people, considering Reimer suffered from gender dysphoria. That is literally just what happened.

something about the 5:29 talk made me feel comforted thank you

Yeah, I too was in the same boat that you were when those videos came out. And while I still have yet to get around to fully watching SU, my opinions on gender and identity have changed a lot since then and it took a long time for me to fix the dumbass ideas that those vids imprinted onto me. You're doing god's work by saving people years of introspection and research with this video.

thank you for being the one to fix the outside view of SU

It is nice that you made the separate video. So hopefully more people will get educated. About how being transgender might work.

@HidinginPrivate

10 ай бұрын

Yeah that is my hope! People asked for it on its own and I agreed it was good to have an easier to link to smaller bit

Hello, I am super glad to have watched this video. It was very informative and well written. I appreciate your work and hope this won't come off as rude, but personally I think it would be great to have links to articles that proves the XX - YX - XXY things. Whether there will be links to sources or not I value the video and the information you're bringing out

loved this segment

@HidinginPrivate

10 ай бұрын

Thanks

Seeing this wave of videos pushing back against the SU hate train after all these years is so cathartic as a fan.

Great video, i love how you examine the social contructs that contridict the biology of people that have been researched!

You might like an old article available online, by Natalie Reed called The Null Hypothe(cis). It pretty much nailed what you've walked your way into identifying here. Good read.

Such a good video, thanks for making this :)

@HidinginPrivate

10 ай бұрын

Thanks for watching it!

This is what a Persona 4 obsession leads to.

@LevantineR1

8 ай бұрын

Misreading Kanji and Naoto has ruined a generation of gamers.

@Direwolf181

8 ай бұрын

​@@LevantineR1except he made videos on both and was pretty thorough he didn't claim Naoto was trans quite the opposite (he did argue she could probably fit somewhere on the nonbinary spectrum but such things weren't as fully formed in the current zeitgeist of 2008 that it wasn't intentional on the writers part so more hey changes of perspectives nearly two decades after release) Regarding Kanji he also pointed out the issue regarding his sexuality wasn't the (entire) point of his dungeon and Shadow Kanji the main thing being his wanting if acceptepance for who he is and his desire not to be mocked for his more traditionally feminine interests and his sexuality being largely irrelevant (he's somewhere on the queer spectrum certainly he was genuinely attracted to Naoto when he thought she was a man and there are occasional instances of him showing attraction to the protagonist (then again pretty much everyone does lol) but its jus not a major factor in hus character My headcannon hes bisexual with an interest into those with more masculine traits hence his attractiom to Naoto and complete disinterest in the far more femme Rise So he hardly misread either and at least he has interests and passions better than being a miserable loser like those who are celebrating movies like the Marvel 's failing because it has women and PoC in main roles instead of it being just a really mid movir in a string of mid movies in an envirement where people are sick to death of superhero movies

@LevantineR1

8 ай бұрын

@@Direwolf181 I wasn't speaking about him specifically, because I wasn't about to watch his 10 hour Part 1. Thanks for clarifying that, though.

Serious question: who the HELL had a 2nd grade biology class? Like I know that was probably a joke but now I’m kinda curious

@TransNobody

6 ай бұрын

I learned about frogs in second grade

1 thing i want to say, this part 9:27-9:50 with the tom scott video is not true the study for this argument was never published, and gramatical gender is not based on any inherent femenine or masculine quality of an object is based on the words used, it's not based on the way we percieve things, for example in my language spanish is just based on what sounds better that's why a dress that is something considered generally femenine is accompanied by a masculine pronoun, because it sounds better or more pleasing to say el vestido than la vestido, and sometimes a thing can have more than one gendered pronoun like el agua becomes las aguas when talking in plural, it doesn't mean we think of water as masculine and multiple waters as feminine

These videos are very brave, thank you for making them. It's what the world needs to hear

@moviemaestro800

8 ай бұрын

Alas, as some more recent comments from E;R fans are showing, it indeed was still quite brave to post this. That said, it is nice to know that is far less likely to lead to drama to the same extent posting this in 2017 would have. I actually got the browser extension which undoes the hidden dislike ratio, and while it is higher than most of the vids on this channel, it is still about a 7:1 positive ratio for this one. That's a really good sign.

@spritesensation

7 ай бұрын

​@moviemaestro800 it probably wouldve been like 2:1 in 2016

@moviemaestro800

6 ай бұрын

@@spritesensation Oh, definitely. 2:1 for dislikes, that is. It is nice to know that the power of these particular types of hate mobs has significantly weakened.