I remember my first air refueling. The boom operators really dislike when you move to far inside and up. The distance on the boom is normally 12 foot extension, and 6 foot is way inside. Usually, the will punch you off, if you are inside of 9 feet with closure or upward movement. I would suspect that the Co-pilot was flying, and the Pilot not flying (an Instructor pilot) was following on the controls. Transitioning the controls between two pilots usually results in over corrections.

That alarm means "pants are full"

@Repented008

7 жыл бұрын

I love your dog. What breed is he/she?

@angmhalp

7 жыл бұрын

He is a charming Corgi.

@Repented008

7 жыл бұрын

Nice. He's beautiful.

@Axisround

6 жыл бұрын

"pants go brown"

@laalki80

6 жыл бұрын

Also known as the brown alert.

Dad flew on the KC-10 as a mechanic in the 90's and experienced this quite a few times. When it happens, you do an emergency break away: they go down, you go up. One time when they had to do an emergency break away, someone had a case of soda on board that ended up going everywhere.

@Southboundpachyderm

7 ай бұрын

How does this work if the pilot is already in an induced oscillation? Does the c-135 just pull harder to get away? I mean they were lucky to recover this, it really looks like the Awacs pilot had nearly lost complete control and they definitely pulled negative Gs' to break down that fast. Wonder how angry ground control was after that. Does this happen because of a miscommunication between pilot and boom operator? It looked like the Boom operator got too hasty to make the connection and didn't recognize the ques that would tell him their in a pilot induced oscillation and the pilot of the AWACS got the indicator lights to tell him he had a good connection, which means he would nose down to stay in line, which would just make the oscillation even worse. So would the Boom operator be the one to get chewed out? Or is it still on the pilot of the AWACS?

@teleguy5699

4 ай бұрын

@@Southboundpachyderm Sometimes turbulence or wake turbulence can cause that. They both did what they were supposed to.

Scary stuff. This happened to me once when I was trying to dock my own 'fueling boom' with a girl, and at the last minute she also went 'ROOP! ROOP! ROOP! ROOP!' and flew the fuck out of there.

@derekarmstrong6659

8 жыл бұрын

lmao!!!! i will not have a better laugh today

@Flowilty

7 жыл бұрын

lozinja comesy

@blackhawku

5 ай бұрын

😂😂😂😂😂

572 dislikes? wtf is wrong with people. this is a death a life situation! did they expect a air crash or something?

@chuck77k

9 жыл бұрын

idiots

@oxbcat

8 жыл бұрын

***** People dislike this, because the description is all wrong. If you pay attention to the ground you will see that its the KC-135's fault, not the Sentry.

@pot10

8 жыл бұрын

+K9-1000 That was fucking close, i'll never understand youtubers. Guess it didn't "go wrong" enough

@fkerpants

6 жыл бұрын

True dat.

They should have a guy drop out the back dragging a hose with him, land on the plane in need of fuel, stick it in the fueller hole, and give a thumbs up to the pump guy when it's ready to go. When it's all done, he can tug on it twice and it will reel him back in. This worked on Disney's Talespin, so of course it will work in real life.

@SkyTHEGuy

2 жыл бұрын

That’s what I’m saying

@realdevbro447

Жыл бұрын

Yeah, these guys has to do it the hard way.

This is how baby planes are made.

@hawmex1

5 жыл бұрын

😂😂😂😂

@Qwerty0791

2 жыл бұрын

“Congratulations on your glider”

The KC-135's autopilot disconnected. The E-3, being the big 707-type airframe that it is, displaces a sizeable amount of air. When he's flying in close formation with a tanker, that air pushes up on the tail of the tanker. The autopilot corrects for that, but if he gets close enough the amount of pitch the plane needs to stay level exceeds the authority of the autopilot and it disconnects. So technically, yes the E-3 caused it, but the KC-135 pilot could have been more prepared for it.

@dan8532

5 жыл бұрын

pyro4002 I heard something about the student pilot's seat not being locked and it reclined backwards causing them to yank on the controls and then the instructor pilot overcorrected causing negative g's. Multiple injuries in the back as some were not wearing seatbelts and hit the roof pretty hard

@calneigbauer7542

7 ай бұрын

@@dan8532hear the student pilot had trim set up for the fuel load and dropped something off his leg went to pick it up and you see the result

@Southboundpachyderm

7 ай бұрын

It looks more like the boom operator got too hasty to make the connection and didn't recognize the visual ques that the AWACS was in a pilot induced oscillation, and when the connection was close enough, the pilot got the indicator lights telling him he has a connection. He noses down slightly to stay connected, which just makes the oscillation even worse and they nose way down in a panic to prevent a mid air. It looks to me like it's miscommunication from two guys who just wanted to get the refueling done asap instead of making sure it's perfect.

Great catch, scary one! Would you be okay with me featuring this in my series Weekly Dose of Aviation? Of course you will be credited both in the video and in the description. Thanks!

@IDontHaveACreativeHandle

4 ай бұрын

Damn, I love your content bro

The boom comes back down like, "hey, where'd ya go?"

Does no one else notice the fact that this video is titled wrong? E-8 is a JSTARS... The AWACS is an E-3

@ocihc_

10 жыл бұрын

NO AWACS is an E-767

@sw4mp3rt

10 жыл бұрын

Rockey Lolo Nah, only Japan uses the E-767... The NATO site states that their AWACS are on the E-3A, which is technically a modified Boeing 707

@ocihc_

10 жыл бұрын

oooooohhhhh. thanks

@ziggystardust4627

3 жыл бұрын

@@ocihc_ The one-of-a-kind 4-engine 767 . . .

@DC-id5gi

3 жыл бұрын

@@ocihc_ that is a NATO AWACS which an E-3A. The E-8 is the JSTARS which is still a modified Boeing 707 but has more of a belly and no dome

I understand. I was a Tinker AFB AWACS pilot from 1999 until 2003. My most challenging mission in my nearly 30-yr career was when I was a brand new AC and nearly couldn't take the gas on a combat sortie over Afghanistan. It was night, we were in the WX with a lot of turbulence and the tanker showed up without an autopilot. I prayed to God after 30 minutes of trying to connect and us going past "bingo" fuel. He answered within a couple of minutes and we hit the southern edge of that low pressure system and the air instantly went smooth and then the tanker got their autopilot to work all within 5 minutes. I immediately hooked up southbound on the "driveway" in Pakistan and once I had taken half the off-load we turned back Northbound back toward Afghanistan again to finish the mission. Praise the Lord!!

@teleguy5699

4 ай бұрын

I've been on hairy refuelings in narly weather as a crew chief. If I'm in the boom watching, I leave. I'd rather not know we are going to collide and die ignorant 😉

I had so many air refuelings while flying on AWACs and they were rarely a piece of cake.

0:28 [pucker factor approaches infinity]

" oh man he almost broke the pi- HOOOLY SHIT"

Folks that's an E-3 scaring the crap out of that boom operator!

And that children is how babies are made.

That'd be so hard to do in mid-air. Flying at the same speed and everything. Insane

@ksfq

3 жыл бұрын

oniiiiiii channnnnnnn

@kaczysnki550

3 жыл бұрын

oh hey jailbreak guy, didnt expect to see you here

@tonytran4857

2 жыл бұрын

it's not hard just stupid ass pilot

@kuiper921

2 жыл бұрын

@@tonytran4857 I’d like to see you try then

@fishbed_

Жыл бұрын

this is the last person I expected to find in the comments

"And that's when I shat bricks..."

I've been on the end of that boom many times, not fun to see the autopilot kick off.

That probably represents the most negative G's a 707-based aircraft ever pulled . . .

There is a reason the USN and the USAF do it differently. The USAF system was designed with refueling larger aircraft like your B-52 strategic bombers in mind. Not smaller fighters. The Boom system has a much higher fuel transfer rate than the hose and basket system.

@Southboundpachyderm

7 ай бұрын

Because the Navy is still mad that the airforce exists and therefore they must be different just for the sake of being different.

Why so many dislikes? Do you know how hard it is for a 135? Even a KC-10? This is a fun job but it is not easy. I'm a Boom on a KC-10. The bow wave between the planes is critical and this is what causes this near accident. It's a tough job but many want it. This happened to me 2 weeks ago with 10 on 10. It's scary but we went back up and did it again.

Some guy in the AWACS is like, "GODDAMN NOW THERE IS COFFEE ALL OVER MY GODDAMN CONSOLE".

Nice sounds effects you put in this video.

@codyking4848

4 жыл бұрын

I know you don't get much exposure from mom's basement, but all of this audio is legit.

Holy @#$%, one has to be very cool and collected to witness that real time and get on it once again and pull it off right!

Why would anyone dislike this? Man I bet they wet themselves. That was close

In the end, he proved to you he has the experience to call these pilots out.

Correct. not that sound, but the TCAS does give warning.

Wtf SkyEye you trippin'

That was soooo close! Agree with YoungDreezee and glad no one was hurt.

I was a flight engineer on the E-3 aircraft, this also happen to our flight crew during refueling. Rough air that force the E-3 up, fast action of the pilot and the boom operator keep the aircraft from hitting each other.

Sounds like you're really the reliable source of information. Tell me, how much flight time/experience have you had, o wise one? How was your vast wizardly power able to detect that it was not the planes fault?

In more than a few years, guys at the top of the class have gotten 135's because there were few/no fighter slots. I'm guessing once you get that heavy label on your paperwork, it's very hard to change. ...but on the bright side, the heavy guys will have a much easier transition to airlines at retirement time.

The probe can extend in and out by a certain amount as the planes will not stay perfectly at the same distance but will vary a little. Fall back too far or push in too close and it will automatically disconnect. Imagine what would happen if the AWACS pushed the probe in to the stops where it would push in no further. Things would break. So if they push in too far it automatically retracts to prevent that.

The TCAS alarm is fucking terrifying in this context.

Boom operator had some fast reflexes, must have happened before to have seen it coming....

@codyking4848

4 жыл бұрын

The boom pullup is automated.

@stevenbingham7206

3 ай бұрын

No, it is not automated. On the KC-135, the Boom Operator flys the boom with his/her right hand and extends it with their left. Thus, the job title. The left hand also operates the director lights located on the belly of the tanker during the receiver's approach. Once the tanker's boom makes contact with the receiver's receptacle, the lights become automatic to direct the receiver to the center of the envelope. Logged over 2,000 hours as a Boom back in the '80's

Man could you imagine being one of the operators in back? Probably on break during this so you decide to hit the head, this time head hits backs and you come out stained blue....

@jcak552

2 ай бұрын

you are in your seat with your full seat eat on.. so no…

Incidentally AWACS and tankers are both considered the most likely targets if attacked by China or Russia. Now the two close together would make an even sweeter target...

Wow, cleaning my drawers out. Thanx for vid

@jacksprrow

6 жыл бұрын

like your sock drawer?

I like how you added the random alarm sound effect there....

@teleguy5699

4 жыл бұрын

TCAS warning system

yeah first thought i had was "wow that thing moves quickly..."

what a reaction time

I love the video! Wha plane is heard in the recording though, is it the AWACS or the KC-135?

@teleguy5699

4 жыл бұрын

135

You're correct, the siren is the automated "Too low, terrain, pull up" emergency warning. Which obviously doesn't make any sense in this video's context. In reality, if we could hear the radio/cockpit noises, we would hear nothing, followed by "Pre-contact -> You're taking fuel -> Disconnect" and possibly "return pre-contact".

Seen this dozens of times and still my sphincter puckers @0:28

There are no drone AWACS. The windows were not black, Learn a little something called Light exposure. It was darker inside the cockpit than outside in the full daylit sky. so the overexposure cases the cockpit to appear black. You don't hear the radio chatter because the Camera is not hooked into the radio system. It was just someone filming from the back of the Tanker.

AWACS said aight imma head out

I literally just shook watching that.... omg...

I think the breakaway was called, you just can't hear it on the camera because of all the background noise. Had the camera been tied into the intercom system, you would have heard it.

This was with a training nato plane. My supervisor was aboard this flight and i had never seen exactly what had happened up until now.. ( he did say that this was was scariest thing he has ever experienced)

i think patrick was the navigator. "ur good, ur good ur good ur good ur good"

That was so damn close!

Good moves. Bad turbulence.

Some poo's come out.

what was that e-3 pilot doing fr

.. first thing i wondered

2,000 of KC-135 and EC-135C flight time total. 800 of PIC time. 200 hours multi-engine. 40 hours IFR.

soapy05 it is audio from the boom pod, "not fake sounds"

Holy sh*t ^^

the reason there are so many dislikes is because people don't understand a mistake like this could have destroyed both the aircraft

“Boom stowed and latched, leaving position”

which is completely inaudible in the boom pod except through the headset...which this wasnt hooked into

Anyone who thinks this is fake doesn't know enough about what they are looking at.

The plane was cockblocked. XD

Holy Crap!

Your logic is refreshing. I sincerely mean that. Not that the person you relied to had no logic. No, that would be the typical armchair professors that would reply to people like you and me. Cheers.

Nice reaction time.

I think this is the one where the pilot's seat malfunction and reclined the pilot backwards causing him to pull up, then the AC forced it down to prevent a crash. If that is the case, someone was not wearing the seat belt and hit the top of the aircraft because of this

@HarryBalsark

Жыл бұрын

What a load of bs

Anyone wondering. The autopilot got to close to the 135 so the pilot pulled back in case of collision

@Wendigo127

7 жыл бұрын

The airflow off the nose of the E-3 caused the KC-135s autopilot to disconnect which put it in a descent. The AWACS was hand flying.

"oh shiiiiit"

True

i dont know who added the siren effect in there...but that sound is nowhere to be found on the KC-135

@teleguy5699

4 жыл бұрын

The TCAS terrain warning system it sounds like. Maybe it wasn't modded when you flew/worked them.

It's provides a feeling of affirmation from others within the community. This is sad because there's no reason to seek such affirmation if you already get some degree of this in real life from friends / family, which this person probably doesn't if he's going to these lengths.

Probably the sound effects that have been added (there's no alarm).

This is how airplanes are made.

i remember this from air force one

holy!

holy shyt

Nearly collision

The aerodynamic forces pulled the plane into close proximity

Those are not sound effects. That is a collision or proxmitity alarm.

I've seen the original video, and they were not there.

'Bow wave' effect at work? I read about it in a book about the RAF Vulcan bomber.

@codyking4848

4 жыл бұрын

Thought the same thing

wut is on the plane????? how is it still flying with that weird cylinder

You wouldn't hear the collision alarm in the boom operator area of a KC-135.

That is a fairly alert boom operator, or the retraction is automatic and away from the plane taking on fuel.

glad there was no tragedy

that was so close O_O

holy shit that oscillation happens SO quickly. Props to the Pilot and boom operator to recover that so quickly. That could have been, SHOULD have been really fucking bad. A mid air with those two would almost certainly kill everyone onboard both planes. Bet those pilots got a good dose of negative G's from that rapid descent. Wonder if they grounded the pilot/boom operator for that, it seems like the boom operator got too hasty to make the connection and the bottom indicator lights came on to tell the pilot that it's safe to make a slight downwards action to keep the planes in line with each other which caused the oscillation. Basically a miscommunication between Pilot and Boom operator? At least that's my layman's assumption. If someone more knowledgeable could fill in some of the details here that'd be awesome! I saw Max Afterburners video on this, but it's not as detailed in the actual flight maneuvers that caused the oscillation. Is it like an overcorrection of rudder input and then the pilot trying to correct the overcorrection with stick input? I know in these situations the best thing you can do is just let go of the controls momentarily and let the flight surfaces do their job to correct the oscillation, but jesus I wonder if they even gave this guy a second pass to refuel or if they just grounded him immediately and sent him back to training? Pilots have such a fucking stressful job. No wonder they're all fucked up on cocaine and liquor all the time lol. It's like the only way you can justify getting in the jet the next day to try again.

@teleguy5699

4 ай бұрын

It's the turbulence of the E-3. Nobody would have been grounded or reprimanded. They did their jobs.

Holly fucking shit that was close

I wonder if the boom operator knew this would happen that why he disconnected when he did

E-8 AWACS Is that a new Aircraft?

Sounded like a GPWS alert siren to me.

You'd think with all the technological advances and the trillions of dollars invested into the military, that they'd come up with a better, quicker, easier way of air refueling than having to fly a tiny hole into a pipe or a pipe into a hose mid-air.

@dan8532

5 жыл бұрын

impychimpyable the US is ahead of all other countries in refueling and the AF is ahead of other branches

Jesus, my heart fucking sank.

Ghost eye had too much to drink it seems

What a brown trousers moment...holy shit!

Héhé Cristal red :P

She had to emergency breakaway from you too?