@6:15 - 20 kph (12.5 mph) is just about the fastest that you would want to push out of a shay. There are tales told to me by a hog head that runs shays that the Cass Scenic Railroad once tried to push a shay past 15 mph and they had to stop by the side of the track to pick up the pieces that came flying off the side of it. That same Hog head also relayed that the Shay was typically good up to 12 mph, the Climax was capable of 15 mph, and the Heisler could get up to 18mph. Although, take these numbers with a grain of salt, speed is really not what these engines was built for. @14:30 - Both West Side Lumber #12 and #14 have Stephenson valve gear, although you are correct that West Side Lumber #12 is newer and more advanced, although this is because this engine has superheaters and piston valves. The confusion (I suspect) is with the Willamette locomotives (a clone of the shay) that used Walschaert's valve gear instead of Stephenson. @21:20 - At 50 kph, you really are going lightspeed for a shay, there is no way that the straight bevel gears that they used on shays would continue to mesh properly with all the axial force being pushed onto the pinions. @27:00 - Quite a number of shays were coal burners, I'll try and look up numbers if they exist, but the Shay was a good general purpose locomotive for coal mines and other East coast industries, hence the need for many coal burners. I believe most, if not all, of the geared locomotives at Cass Scenic railroad are currently coal burners.

@Hyce777

Жыл бұрын

First point sounds about right from what I've heard. Second - I was trying to remember our conversation about the Westside engines; and yeah, it's piston valve instead of slide valve that I was thinking of and my brain just filed the thing in the wrong place. You're very correct. Third - I'd believe that, lol! Fourth - that's neat! None that I've got experience are, but that shows more so that my experience is limited than anything else. Cheers again mate!

@JonsGarage89

Жыл бұрын

The North Carolina Transportation Museum has Shay 1925 which hit 18mph back in 1999 at the Sacramento railfest. I have no idea if it required repairs afterward or not.

@stratagama

Жыл бұрын

I think the shay at IRM is a coal burner

@sawyerawr5783

Жыл бұрын

@@stratagama the shay at IRM came from out west, so it's an oil burner.

@BaikieRyan

Жыл бұрын

@@sawyerawr5783 It was an oil burner but the converted it to burn coal

Classic ESnD. Almost stalled on the hill for an hour, blowing 4 crown sheets and delivering the wrong consist. Doesnt get more ESnD than that.

@techno1561

Жыл бұрын

All it need so is for the Boys (either from the atomic weapons division, or the operational industrial liquid (oil) division) to be lying in wait.

@MJC19

Жыл бұрын

Wrong, it didn't blow up, now that would be the perfect E.S & D.

Hyce: compliments the shay Also hyce: says they're scary Also also hyce: admires and compliments the cab detail. Shay: make up your mind. Love or hate me

34:30 you have no idea just how soon we're talking ;)

@Hyce777

Жыл бұрын

*YES*

Here in NSW Australia we had a railway that had Shay's up in the blue mountains, they delivered them on the back of mainline freight trains by the government railways.

@zelkuta

Жыл бұрын

North South West Australia? 😅 (sorry, I couldn't resist)

I was surprised Hyce even has enough patience to wait for a shay this long😆

@Hyce777

Жыл бұрын

I got too committed once I saw it was possible to make it up

The ending to this truly has top gear special vibes

@ProtonTheProtogen

Жыл бұрын

Pun intended?

Derail valley and Hyce pair well💀😂

@Honeydwarf85

Жыл бұрын

Goofy ahh railroad ☠️☠️☠️☠️☠️☠️☠️☠️

@ProtonTheProtogen

Жыл бұрын

A match made in heaven

*he's out here running the Penn Central*

Talks about fast travel, goes for a shay

@TheDemocrab

Жыл бұрын

manages to go fast enough the shay sounds like a jet

@Rocker-1234

Жыл бұрын

@@TheDemocrab 🤣 fr. i had to double check i didnt accidentally open xplane somehow lol

Fun tip look at the fire temp gauge and you can see if your damper is open or not. the gauge is the one at the top in the cluster. IF open temp goes up if closed temp goes down. When you started to push up that hill at like 300 degrees in the firebox. Which is why you were not getting any steam. Also a little more coal would help. PS well you figured it out by the end of the video, silly me for commenting mid view :P

I have such a soft spot for geared engines in RO and seeing this in DV makes me pretty happy. *starts searching furiously for courses to become a steam engineer*

It's like watching an airline pilot play Flight Simulator, or a real farmer play Farm Simulator... It's wrong on some level, but incredibly entertaining and somehow... Educational?

I have never seen a shay struggle that hard before

Lol as soon as you chuffed off after grabbing the jobs without checking the cars, I automatically thought -- "Bet he grabbed the wrong job/cars"

@ValentineC137

Жыл бұрын

I saw that the cars on the jobs looked identical, and the last job he left behind had a lighter coloured set I was just waiting to see if he ever realised lol

8:15 Hyce just casually operating 3 levers at once Also, coal-burning Shays did exist, but they weren't common (west of the Mississippi anyways)- most of them were either wood or oil-fired as you mentioned. There are a few coal-fired Shays still left though. In fact all the engines at the Durbin and Greenbrier Valley Railroad (Cass Scenic Railroad) are coal-burners, including all the shays, plus the Climax and the Heisler (one of them was originally a wood-burner, converted to coal). However, it probably makes more sense for that railroad as coal is way more plentiful in West Virginia than it is out west, where a lot of geared locomotives were used on logging railroads.

@Dumbrarere

Жыл бұрын

I believe Travel Town (a railroad and travel museum in Los Angeles County) has a couple standard gauge Shays in their inventory. Compared to the narrow gauge shays, those things are derpy-looking as fuck (and probably even harder to handle around corners, thanks to their offset center of gravity).

Melting crown sheets isn't a problem Hyce... Just keep that firebox heat going, because you are then actively transitioning from running steam through the locomotive to start running molten iron gas instead! Which is why your nightmare included extra iron when you ran out of coal :D

"I don't feel like shunting today." ~Hyce, every DV episode

That ending with the "On that bombshell, it is time to end" made me very nostalgic. The very vibe of the ending music did not help with the not being sad of yesterday. On another note, amazing video as always

@polarvortex6496

Жыл бұрын

"Jessica" by the Allman Brothers if you were wondering

@realcanadian96

Жыл бұрын

@@polarvortex6496 I'm talking about the ending music of the video, lol. Jessica is an amazing song though, love the allman brothers and their jam sessions at the end of their songs.

So nice to finally see a properly modeled American locomotive in this game. (The cab finally doesn’t look “alien”). And it was nice to watch it work as only a Shay can do. (The sky is the limit, honestly) Some of the commenters also posted some real gems of comments on this topic too.

The detail on that model is excelllent, even if things are backwards. The amount of time it must have taken to make that thing is crazy. One thing about a lot of torque, is that it is difficult to also gain momentum. Momentum is essential for climbing and heavy loads.

Dude! I straight up geeked out when I seen the fully animated Stephenson valve gear on that thing! (I know you hate Shays, but I'm building one in HOn30 lol)

A crewmember is always responsible for the first 5 cars in the cut. This is an epic example of pee-in-a-cup.

I dont really know how the real Shay looks but i think the one here looks amazing, it fits the derail valley aesthetic perfectly

36:26 *YOU KNOW HOW I LIKE IT, BABY* song's called Folsom Prison Blues, and the actual line you were singin' was ''I hear the train a comin', it's rollin' around the bend, and I ain't seen the sunshine, since I don't know when, I'm stuck in Folsom Prison, and time keeps draggin' on'' Johnny Cash Forever R.I.P. The Man In Black

hey hyce, you can use the scroll wheel on the mouse to move valves and levers in the cab so you dont have to move your camera lol. loved the video!

There are, as far as I know, three 0-4-4-4-0 Shays on the Cass Scenic Railroad that run coal, I rode on a passenger ride powered by one of them and it was *epic*. Of course I may be entirely incorrect, but I did see at least one coal fired Shay.

@sumplais

Жыл бұрын

I've never seen that nomenclature used for a shay before. The geared locomotives didn't tend to use it. It would be a 3 truck shay(aka Class C). There were a very few 4 truck shays made (Class D), but I don't believe any of them survived.

@blockstacker5614

Жыл бұрын

When I was at Cass the Shay broke a small pin that was part of the piston rod and they had a speeder bring a replacement pin halfway up the mountain to us. They were able to fix it and we went the rest of the way up the mountain. The entire next day was spent picking cinders out of my hair lmao

@thegamingguy6275

Жыл бұрын

@@blockstacker5614 Man, that would have been fun to watch them fix!

Awesome to see some heated steam in the spotlight. Could’ve really used a 3 truck shay on that run! Lol I’ve been to Cass, WV a ridiculous amount of times but it’s where my love of steam began. Love that place and it’s engines!

you takeing the close look at the valvue gear i think finally made it click in my head. stephenson uses 2 excentrics and the bar moves decides on wich point of the interpolation the valvue is connected, while on wallscherts it uses the expansion lik to switch between a 1st class and a 2nd class lever.

If you want to try some British traction there's a class 08 shunter mod that's also been released if you fancy something else to go nowhere fast in...

Based on your getting stuck on the hill I think you need a Mr. Bone's Wild Ride skin for the engine.

Lol flipping the sand while stuck on the grade was a pure Kan moment 😆 he's a bad influence on you Hyce

Coal in the Hole! Coal in the Hole! Coal in the Hole! Open the Door First! Way to go! you battled it out and slogged your way agonizingly slowly all the way to the Sawmill with the WRONG Load!

*engine takes off* "Well I guess we're only taking that" Engine was like, "Bud, YOU try hauling up THAT grade" XD

Shays are awesome! If anyone ever gets the chance to visit the Cass Scenic railroad, highly recommend. Max grade at Cass is 13%, and that is indeed where geared locomotives shine. Also, is quite neat All Cass Scenic Railroad steam locomotives are coal fired, they have 5 operating Shays, a Heisler and a Climax. Shay 5 is the oldest operating Shay at Cass and was purchased new in 1905 for the logging operations at Cass. Has lived it’s entire life there. Shay 6 is the second largest Shay ever built and the largest Shay in existence. Quite a sight when compared to the “smaller” Cass Shays. Shay 2 was originally a wood burner, then converted to oil, then to coal when it arrived at Cass. The only Shay ever wood-oil-coal conversion. A great resource for Cass Shays is the Mountain State Railroad and Logging Historical Association.

@Tarry_Plaguer

Жыл бұрын

My grandfather used to operate the Mt. Emily shay, back when she hauled lumber for Mt. Emily Lumber Co. near La Grande, OR. Cass Scenic Railway had her on loan from the Oregon Historical Society from 1972 -1992. She was badly damaged in a engine house fire in the early 70's and repaired. I guess there was some dispute about her lease and she was returned to the Oregon Historical Society. She was then leased out to the City of Prineville Railway in 94 and ran on her track for a number of years until Prineville didn't want her anymore. The OHS then asked if anyone would take her and she was sold to the Oregon Rail Heritage Foundation in 2022. The intention is to have the Shay retubed and recertified under a new 1,472-day inspection so she will be ready to operate in later 2023. The Mount Emily Shay is intended to be one of the modes of power in future years for the Holiday Express trains. The 90-ton Shay with her light axle load will be much more forgiving on the Oregon Pacific Railroad trackage than the big 4-8-4 locomotives have been in prior years. The Shay has 35,500 pounds of tractive effort, which will provide more than enough power to pull the Holiday Express train.

Heck yeah, Lima, OH resident here, Shay locomotives made at the Lima Locomotive Works built the industry in my town and i love everything about them.

Time went by faster than the Shay! Great stuff :)

As soon I as I saw you grab and enter the wrong card at the logging camp, I yelled "Oh NO!" I spent the rest of the video waiting for your reaction at the end when you discovered it. Side note, I really like the red end beams (end sill?) on the shay. It looks really nice.

The final part is a complete loool scene 😂

I was very confused why you and kAN bought a Shay as your next locomotive in Railroads Online! Now imagine my confusion when it wasn't a Railroads Online! intro :D

Nailed the song buddy. Very appropriate for that moment in video

Fuel was what you could get. Coal was harder to come by out on the west coast, but oil was easier to get, so there are more oil-burning logging engines to be found out this way.

I love Shays, they are so cute!

I have a short Derail (not Valley) Story Hyce might enjoy. It only happend to me (as a passanger) a two days ago on new years eve. We took a heritage railway trip in the Steyr River Valley from the city of Steyr to the City of Grünburg Austria. It's a narrow gauge 760mm (2ft 5 7/8 in) railway running mostly Class ÖBB 298 Tank engines (0-6-2). According to Wikipedia she can pull 90t up 2% at 20kph. Also vacuum breaks :o. You could hear her fight with six loaded passenger cars each empty being 13t (or 16t I'm not quiet sure). The trip to Grünburg was less eventful, also because we sat on the wring side, mostly looking at the cliff face instead of the more beautiful Steyr river. The return trip back to the city of Steyr was more exiting. First they added an additional 7th car. Because the city of Steyr is downstream of Grünburg means less grade to climb up. Half way down they line the car we sat in (the 5th car) derailed while the loco fought up a small hill with 7 loaded cars. You could really fell the derailment as the car scraped over the ballast and sleepers. It wasn't scary but strange, But it was a rather inconvenient place to derail, on the one side a short 3-5ft vertical drop from the embankment to a parking lot and the other a cutting. not a great place to evacuate the passengers from the derailed car. Their solution was cleverly simple. Call the dispatcher to send down a rescue team/train, move all the passengers from the last 3 cars into the remaining 4 (it was very cowded), cut of 5th derailed car, as well as the 2 following, continue to run the train with just 4 cars to its destination. They only had on train operate on that day, so leaving the cars on the open track was just okay. I don't know what happened afterwards.

@Hyce777

Жыл бұрын

That's certainly an interesting way to operate! Thanks for the story.

always loved shay locomotives the vertical pistons and angled gears always fascinated me since I first saw them, plus they are significantly more powerful than normal steam piston setups in storm works (the regular ones are severely underpowered ingame)

Every time you talk about the two shays at the museum, touché

15:06 wouldn't be a hyce DV video without a video game boiler explosion Mark. It's the rules lol

It was almost like watching a Colonel Failure video. Well done, sir!

Love the Shay's with the powered tender for extra Oompf.

I could be wrong but I think the shay at the Heston steam museum burned coal but could be wrong. By the way good rendition of Folsom prison blues. I have a good time playing that song with a twist but that was good stuff

Just got that train on railroads online, got that game because of you and Kann. its slow but certainly capable.

Yay a shay! A ES&D-ified shay is amazing

i love how when u got out of the yard u forgot to shut the back airbrake

Kinda getting reminded of the abandoned steam locos in Maine's Allagash a bit, except those sadly weren't Shays, though they would probably have been perfect for Maine's mountainous terrain. I'm mostly fascinated how there's so many gears and gizmos on there, compared to other locos.

> i dont feel like shunting today Hyce shuns shunting

Okay, Hyce this counts as the beta version of the actual Sim we're hoping to get soon, bc I love playing DV and It has it's flaws but they'll be fine, and feel once I get used to the nature of the game setup and it's beautiful scenery and plus the amount of Engines their are, which I'm sure there's gonna be several more than just the ones we've been getting, with the new DVS, let's hope for the best ratings and derail numbers for any Train Sim we're going to compete with, even that RO or Train Sim 2023 or higher. But we'll just test that theory, this Summer or Spring. I'm Ella and It's Grow Time!!!!!!!

John Connor: "Step on it!" The Terminator: "This is the vehicle's top speed" John Connor: "I can get out and run faster than this!"

The Shay was just chilling 100’ shy of the sawmill switch, waiting for you to take back your past comments about its kin!

I adore geared locomotives. Go talk to Willamette Iron works in Portland. They’ll hook your Shay up with a superheater and move those cylinder forward a little to get them outta the cab. Cool vid dude.

@Hyce777

Жыл бұрын

And spin one of them around to face the right way! haha.

@Tarry_Plaguer

Жыл бұрын

Curious, ever do work on the Mt.Emily shay? My grandfather used to be the engineer and mechanic on her when she was a lumber hauler out by LaGrande in the 40's & 50's. I guess she is the property of the Oregon Rail Heritage Foundation now. I believe they plan to use her as one of their Holiday Express Christmas trains.

41:29 At this moment you can tell he starts cheering "CMON WERE RIGHT THERE!!"

love ya hyce

I really love your cover of the folsom prison blues 😂

That's the first time I've seen pulp wood cars, never had that mod installed - therefore I've noticed very early that's something wrong with the job papers you've took. I couldn't believe you didn't realize the mistake to the very last moment 😂 All that hassle and epic uphill battle for nothing (for that cut) 😂 although I've admired that epic uphill battle!

I can only imagine what chipmunk Hyce was saying during the hill slog shenanigans

The CRAP R.R. is expanding at an astronomical rate. Better buy some Bonds from them soon. :D

Grabbing the wrong cut and fighting that hard is throw your hat and kick it tone XD

Shays are preeeetty not sure why you wouldn't like them, you love complicated rods and levers and pistons! Even at 2mph Shays look like they are working like hell!

@GretchenDawntreader

Жыл бұрын

I simply don't understand how a careful driver like you, Hyce, could rack up so many fines. Given how much glee and whoots you give off for laying the train on the ground or blowing the train up, I would think you would just play with fines off.

Woohoo more DV!

Seeing a shay go rocket speed right off the bat. Yes realism lol

Tip to hyce: you can change the whistle even on mod locos the Tip is so we will not die without mod whistle

Just saw a shay over the holiday break in the main downtown park in Cadillac Michigan

I love your sense of humor lol! Huger steamer fan too, i grew up loving Union Pacific Big Boy, but then i saw your Rio and i fell in love! Definatly subscribing! plus i was also wondering, how do you deal with all the track switches? i love running the steam train in this game but the switches idk why are a bit tedious lol, is there any mod or any way to have another way to switch them? keep on steamin on!

3:13 inside cab (some detail at to what the controls are given,) 5:40 shunting 16:20 starts moving (fast acceleration) Note from another coment, this train gose far too fast in game going 60mph, you would want to go 15-20 tops (chufing noise is too fast and loud for this train) 18:13 real start (had already been going but now ita starting the journey) How it woks, steam sent to 3 pistions turn transmission rod wich turns the wheels in a gear conector(like a car) but because its only on right side and bolier on left it could turn left more esay but the transmission was still stretched and turning right it was forced to compres, It was also slow and took more steam but was much better on hills

Ok besides the vibrations this is a pretty accurate Shay EXCEPT FOR THE FACT THAT A CLASS B SHAY COULD EASILY TOOK THE GRADE AND A THREE TRUCK COULD’VE DONE IT WITHOUT FIT I am now getting of my little soapbox

There are some good videos of the Mt. Emily shay in action when she was running for City of Prineville in Oregon. Feel free to search and see a real shay hauling log cars.

I’d love to play Derail Valley with Hyce lmfao

that was a great vid

🤣 the time-lapse as the train slowly goes like a snail

A very top gear/ grand tour ending 😂

The shay will always fascinate me

Shay brakes are interesting. The engines don't weigh much compared to the trains they can pull. The brakes themselves are not that great. I remember doing a brake test on the shay at our museum and being very surprised at how little the brake shoes moved when we were doing the test.

Protip: It actually lists the job number on each car so you don't even need to guess if it's the right cut based off the number of cars, it just says right on there

I've found that before you leave if you dump the air then let it recharge after that, you get better break response

Aw yes gear train where you can count the rocks as you move.

Yay content!

ToooNoight ! Hyce Is in deeep Debtt! Hyce Shreadds the gears on a priceless Antique And Hyce brings the wrong Train kAN ois in the resonbly priced Zeepkist car game

The insurance you have is insane... You only need to pay just over $550k for millions upon millions of dollars!? I need that!

Lol the realization at the end

Love the chuffs

19:40 because it's the CRAP railroad and also Unstoppable time!

Love it

Nice ending! Next time take the right cars and forget to initially validate the job :D

Not gonna lie, I love Derail Valley waaaay more than Railroads Online. I gave RO a fair shake after your videos but even when using premade maps, it's way too janky. You never know if the track curves are too sharp, cars just randomly derail, and the economy/level grind is insane. Not to mention building tracks from scratch is more time consuming than fun. It didn't take me long to earn money in DV and managing everything in a steam locomotive in first person is so cool

@Hyce777

Жыл бұрын

Yeah, I enjoy the operations side of DV much more as well. RO! scratches an itch but sometimes it scratches too deep and cuts you... lol

I was waiting for the realisation that it was the wrong line of cars. Wasn't disappointed.

ahh finally a good locomotive for derail valley

I miss this so much

Shays are my favorite locomotive my favorite type of shay is the class C the shays were some of the most successful logging engines in the USA 🇺🇸 in the 1800s

I love the shey. Any gear train really. I want to go to the Cass scenic railroad and watch them baby's run.

Talk about almost giving up right before the finish line

1:08 a two truck Shay which is very slow so Hyce don't expect it to have the beans but she does have the power