anyone who says you both are just disgruntled Vets, is either brainwashed or has a bad moral compass as well. Thank you both for speaking truth and uncovering corruption. Semper Fi

@JP-ho6zc

9 күн бұрын

War is a Racket.. 💵💵💯💯

@JP-ho6zc

8 күн бұрын

@@johnnyfamous so much for home of the brave and land of the free.. 😂😂😂

@JP-ho6zc

8 күн бұрын

@@johnnyfamous your moma said she didn't know who's your daddy.. 😂😂😂

@ThanksforcensoringmeYoutube

8 күн бұрын

@@JP-ho6zc apparently these people have never heard of Smedley Butler. Not a surprise, but definitely a shame.

@ThanksforcensoringmeYoutube

7 күн бұрын

@@johnnyfamous sounds like you just care too much about a YT comment, g. God bless!

Sounds more like task force "Pigeon". They flew in, knocked over the chess pieces, shit all over the battle space, strutted around like they won, then flew away.

@fredred5037

20 күн бұрын

And got rich off telling that story

@voodooviking1230

20 күн бұрын

Silver Star AWARDED FOR ACTIONS DURING Global War on Terror Service: Navy GENERAL ORDERS: CITATION: The President of the United States of America takes pleasure in presenting the Silver Star to Lieutenant John Willink, United States Navy, for conspicuous gallantry and intrepidity in action against the enemy while serving as Commander, Task Unit-RAMADI assigned to Naval Special Warfare Task Group-ARABIAN PENINSULA, in direct support of Operation IRAQI FREEDOM from 7 April to 21 October 2006. Lieutenant Willink demonstrated exceptional leadership, operational vision, and courage under fire in the battle for Ramadi. He conceived and executed a brilliant plan aligning SEALs with American and Iraqi Army units to train and combat advise them, taking the fight to the enemy in their historical safe havens. Lieutenant Willink spearheaded battalion-sized missions, leading his forces in a high intensity and bloody urban warfare, to emplace six combat outposts in Ramadi, in a highly successful clear and hold campaign. His unit conducted more than 200 sniper overwatch, raids, and clearance operations to account for more than 200 enemies eliminated and more than 200 captured. Additionally, he aggressively expanded the human intelligence network in Western Iraq and employed civil affairs to gain cooperation from the local tribes in building the Iraqi Police Force and taking back Ramadi from the insurgents. By his bold leadership, courageous actions, and total dedication to duty, Lieutenant Willink reflected great credit upon himself and upheld the highest traditions to the United States Naval Service. Funny thing is, Eric Deming has no citations.

@voodooviking1230

19 күн бұрын

Silver Star AWARDED FOR ACTIONS DURING Global War on Terror Service: Navy GENERAL ORDERS: CITATION: The President of the United States of America takes pleasure in presenting the Silver Star to Lieutenant John Willink, United States Navy, for conspicuous gallantry and intrepidity in action against the enemy while serving as Commander, Task Unit-RAMADI assigned to Naval Special Warfare Task Group-ARABIAN PENINSULA, in direct support of Operation IRAQI FREEDOM from 7 April to 21 October 2006. Lieutenant Willink demonstrated exceptional leadership, operational vision, and courage under fire in the battle for Ramadi. He conceived and executed a brilliant plan aligning SEALs with American and Iraqi Army units to train and combat advise them, taking the fight to the enemy in their historical safe havens. Lieutenant Willink spearheaded battalion-sized missions, leading his forces in a high intensity and bloody urban warfare, to emplace six combat outposts in Ramadi, in a highly successful clear and hold campaign. His unit conducted more than 200 sniper overwatch, raids, and clearance operations to account for more than 200 enemies eliminated and more than 200 captured. Additionally, he aggressively expanded the human intelligence network in Western Iraq and employed civil affairs to gain cooperation from the local tribes in building the Iraqi Police Force and taking back Ramadi from the insurgents. By his bold leadership, courageous actions, and total dedication to duty, Lieutenant Willink reflected great credit upon himself and upheld the highest traditions to the United States Naval Service.

@pfclumi

19 күн бұрын

Lmao omg that was gold.

@Dominic-ul9xw

19 күн бұрын

😂😂😂😂

As an 0331 and fellow AMGLC graduate that deployed to Al-Anbar in 2007. I have heard similar stories to this for years. I appreciate you giving these men a platform.

@christopherdooley9893

11 күн бұрын

What's AMGLC?

@Mary-dc6js

10 күн бұрын

I think that's the acronym for the advanced machine gun leaders course. I went to Infantry Assaultman leaders course. Every infantry MOS has an advanced leadership course run out of SOI east or west, they're great schools that teach you a lot, can't remember it's been years and I didn't stay in but I think you have to have that to grt staff sergeant or at the least helps you. Non infantry usually go to corporal and/or sergeants couese

@awmerriam4

10 күн бұрын

​@Mary-dc6js you are correct

The Naval Special Bookfare community isn’t going to like this.

@michaelr5606

22 күн бұрын

😂

@ericm425

22 күн бұрын

Nope but a lot of the SEALs aren't a fan of the for profit book writing & podcasts. Most don't love the fame chasers

@zeck8541

22 күн бұрын

@@ericm425 and a lot of Muslims don’t like vest bombers but they don’t say anything about it to stop it. Just saying.

@garciaandrew205

22 күн бұрын

Maybe cause they don't know how to do it themselves, more than sure its jealously to some extent ​@@ericm425

@Cat0840

22 күн бұрын

Become a Seal serve for one year, then write a book or get a movie deal.

They need to have Jocko on or Jocko have them on. If one party declines we know the truth. If they both agree we can finally hear the truth. But Jocko deleting comments is sus

@heatherbuchanan5001

24 күн бұрын

Jocko recently addressed these accusations.

@lifeabovetreeline

24 күн бұрын

@@heatherbuchanan5001 I’m well aware. But the above statement still rings true

@kjgdakdfd

24 күн бұрын

@@heatherbuchanan5001Not very well though. And he’s deleting comments left and right

@scguy7442

24 күн бұрын

@@heatherbuchanan5001to be clear, Jocko didn’t address THESE allegations, he addressed a previous podcast put out by GB Chronicles on the same topic. This podcast came out after Jocko’s initial reply.

@archiij1707

24 күн бұрын

Angry podcast offered & so did Jay and Eric deming.

I’m an old Marine, but more importantly in this context, I’m the father of an 0311 infantry Marine who served in Ramadi. If there were operators killing innocent civilians in order to gain some military credibility and get some medals or ribbons, you have my attention. Did you create unnecessary conflict that resulted in the deaths of multiple Marinies so you could wear some stupid ribbon?! You have no idea the contempt I have for you if that is the case!

@EckRD

23 күн бұрын

Your second sentence sums it up across the board during GWOT. But again, post 9/11 was still fresh in people's mind esp the troops. You know, the 03s, 11Bs, and the high speed low drag SF operators wanted to spread that fear and hate against the Iraqi or Afghani. Not all, but a few. Can you blame them? Boot camp, SOI, and in the fleet we were instilled and sang cadence about what we do to our enemy( young or old). Y'all need to accept reality that there are thousands and thousands of Kyles and Jocko in uniform. They simply run the state of affairs of the military. Don't believe me? Check your fruit salad for a Iraq campaign ribbon or Afghan ribbon or both. One team, one fight. Y'all were part of history. 🤷🏽‍♂️ -Marine Infantryman 0311 OEF Vet. 3/2 India Co and Weapons Co( CAAT )

@tonyslaughter4285

23 күн бұрын

My condolences. This bruiser squad is probably the reason for the surge in 2007.

@flyingirish31

23 күн бұрын

@@tonyslaughter4285the reason for the surge was the failure of Operation Together Forward in mid 2006. We would go out and conduct civil military operations with the support of maneuver elements during the day and then go back to our FOBs in the evenings and AIF/JAM/SCIRI-BADR would rule the night, brutally, depending which area of the AO. Casey was concerned with limiting casualties at that point and showing off reconstruction dollars we were spending. Most of which were being wasted due to improper planning and implementation. Patreaus changed that, increased targeted assassinations of AIF leaders, put a better system together to administer CERP dollars for reconstruction and CMO, and established the JSS system that put our troops out in sector 24/7.

@davidschaadt3460

23 күн бұрын

Agreed 🙏🪖🙏

@Jewjitsu_

23 күн бұрын

@@tonyslaughter4285absurd comment… you don’t even know what you don’t know.

The weakest part of Jocko’s defense podcast was that 90% of it was based on the official record. The whole point behind the whistleblower push is that the official record is wrong. The same thing happened in WWII, Vietnam, Afghanistan, and so on. After reviewing both sides, I will say that the most truthful side has been the whistleblowers. Now, we can all recognize that Iraq in 05/06 was known as the “Wild West,” because ROEs were lax. But that makes the accusations against Jocko even more convincing because they would have to be flagrant violations. More so, there’s a whole-ass book AND movie that overblows who Chris Kyle was and what he did. Final point - Jocko is incredibly successful. Dude makes hundreds of thousands PER SEMINAR. Plus consulting, plus books, plus supplements, plus his MMA gym… what I’m saying is, the dude has lawyers, the fact that this went on for over a month without a cease and desist or lawsuit is pretty telling.

@ExtraRice365

19 күн бұрын

Look up the video "My recollection of events in Ramadi in 2006" by Daniel Blackwell. Skip to the 10 minute mark if you're short on time. Daniel was a Marine serving directly under this XO in Ramadi. According to him, this XO Ryan was very subpar leader, and he cannot verify anything the dude claims about TU Bruiser. Meanwhile, he also listened to Jocko's response and said he can verify EVERYTHING Jocko said.

@seanheaney8303

19 күн бұрын

​@@ExtraRice365 thats literally impossible because jocko just read of the offical record, claimed brotherhood about 35 times and the rest of the stuff he said has been proven wrong... he largely avoided most angles he didn't want to discuss.

@DrewThornburg

16 күн бұрын

The only or best point this guy makes is the punisher symbol on the flack vest but if you were there in 05-06 and I saw every single base from south to north I saw a culture of tagging hummers with symbols and many almost all other gun truck platforms besides mine had something painted on the side we did not … maybe that’s why we had such bad blue on blues but Renegade19 was professional and that’s how we made it 14 months no incidents doing a job that two infantry units came in to takeover and couldn’t relieve us being scared and incapable of carrying out the mission

@Mrjesse451

14 күн бұрын

Wait, so you think, like Joko said, that all these Marine commanders were told a Navy Seal unit were committing war crimes and getting their Marines killed and they did nothing????They were just like "Ok thats cool"???? Wtf world do you live in?????

@TheIvanMilky

13 күн бұрын

@@ExtraRice365 you should probably also mention the video you are talking about was released before this one and has since done a follow up. He doesn't say a whole lot one way or the other and as someone has already pointed out Jocko literally just hit the same all points he always does, so essentially if you have read his book or ever heard the story before he is just verifying the same account he has given before. I find it interesting you are willing to put so much stock in what Daniel says but fail to even mention Graham who was stationed at the government centre which you should know as a big Jocko fan is heavily featured in a lot of the stories he mentions.

Reminds me of life. The good guys get no recognition, but the bad ones do

@raulsanches3619

19 күн бұрын

Remember when all the shitbags sat in the FOB cuz they couldn't be trusted meanwhile the rest of us went outside the wire to get blown up and shot

@frenchonion4595

16 күн бұрын

Because the good guys don't brag about it nor want too

@raulsanches3619

16 күн бұрын

@@frenchonion4595 back in the day we left all the shit bags in the FOB because nobody trusted them in combat. The best of us went out all the time

I didn't have any opinions about this matter beforehand, I liked Jocko. But after listening to both him and Eric, and now these Marines, I can truthfully say I believe there really is some real substane in to the criticism of Jocko. Not only that, there's a lot of proven times when SEAL command covered up botched SEAL operations, so the fact that Jocko said "Why would management allow us to do these things" - well, we all know that Navy like to cover up these things.

@user-sk7jt3pf1c

21 күн бұрын

True. When I got to sandbox, an old infantry grunt said “if u nerf someone with a shot, make sure u shoot a second shot at the ground”. I said why, he smirked, and said, “that’s the warning shot”. Look, most people tried their best to do the right things. Mistakes happened. Young kids, traumatized and scared for their lives, sometimes made mistakes. Not intentional. And guys covered down for their guys like guys should. But sometimes, bad stuff did happen, by evil people, with bad intentions, and others covered for it. If Jocko did, he would have ample opportunity to hide it. And even if he did a wrongful death investigation, which happened when the ROE were broken, he could have easily written it in a non incriminating fashion. A commander in his assigned battlefield is often judge, jury, and executioner. But in a battle for hearts and minds, like Iraq, one bad actor can have massive implications for others he ms not even know. It turns the people against us, strengthens enemy resolve, and results in more lost lives. When seals are running around like untouchables, accountable to none, and using imagery borrowed from evil comic book characters to intimidate the locals, (which is super f’ing gay btw), there is a butterfly effect. It probably didn’t make the local population feel very safe while Jocko was sprinting around in a spike choke collar with assless chaps and a punisher logo painted on his chest and killing random people so he could go back home and brag about how many souls he ejected from their bodies.

@robertc3263

19 күн бұрын

Perfectly said ​@@user-sk7jt3pf1c

@heathclark318

12 күн бұрын

Ghost Written books were already ready for them. Having read and listened to things in the last few weeks. Those guys; Jocko, Luttrell, Crenshaw, are absolute POS who you WOULDNT want hanging with your son or dating your daughter.

I was one of the Americans that believed ever word of American sniper, lone survivor. I wish that shit was true. I wish these guys were these American super soldiers. Unfortunately that’s not the world we live in. Thank you guys for your service and for the truth. I know it’s not easy to do what you’re doing. God bless

@Scott_Buchanan

24 күн бұрын

Same here… there was some stuff being said about Chris a decade ago but I kinda ignored it, this is hard to ignore.

@ExSTPD

24 күн бұрын

Why are you believing these guys on this pod cast. Some of these guys weren’t even there. And if they were there, why did they wait 20 years to say something. If something was being done illegally they should have spoken and reported it then!

@LRRPFco52

24 күн бұрын

We knew out of the gate that Lone Survivor was a pile of trash. There were senior SEALs who called that crap out within a few years of it. The SOCCENT AAR on the whole thing told it how it was as well, but only certain people were privileged to it. It's actually worse than what even the critics have said.

@LRRPFco52

24 күн бұрын

​@@ExSTPDMany of us have already known this for 17-19 years. It's just finally coming out to a larger audience.

@Mr50403

24 күн бұрын

​@@Scott_BuchananChris Kyle said he killed American Citizens in New Orleans during Katrina. I figured he lied or was a murderer either way I was done with him.

"That letter was fake and generated by AI" Dude who wrote the letter: "okay, BET"

@obamavariant9128

21 күн бұрын

How did he get the dates wrong when his men died?

@AdminLogistics.

21 күн бұрын

This guy is a proven bum. Terrible leader, terrible communication, and full of untruths.

@Thebluesky0311

20 күн бұрын

@@AdminLogistics. Where is it proven???

@TheIvanMilky

18 күн бұрын

@@AdminLogistics. This is the same type of person who will tell you the claims are unsubstantiated and slander 😂

It's awesome to see fellow Marines living the corps values of Honor, Courage, and Commitment

@emmanuelawosusi2365

24 күн бұрын

Yet marines in fallujah killed hundreds of citizens

@shredhead4604

24 күн бұрын

Paratrooper here. Agreed. My brother is 0311 USMC. Much respects to the Corps.💪🇺🇸

@emmanuelawosusi2365

24 күн бұрын

@@shredhead4604 nice

@ExSTPD

24 күн бұрын

Living the Corps values? Why did he wait 20 years to say something? If he had any Marine Corps value he would have and should have said something then!

@emmanuelawosusi2365

24 күн бұрын

@@ExSTPD facts and marines in fallujah killed citizens too

Edit: The more I read and the more I research, the more holes appear in this narrative. I can't in good conscience pretend that this is a reliable video anymore. This video purports that Bruiser was operating without oversight and that's just not how that works. This feels completely fabricated. I'll leave my original post up for anyone else who might want to see it. I have some issues with this. These things aren't slams against the people on this show, or the people who put all this together but just a couple thoughts to keep in mind. This is a serious topic, so pardon the length of the reply but I feel it deserves me being thorough. The first is that Ryan, the guy who's letter kicked off a lot of this debate, is basing everything he's saying purely off conjecture. He didn't witness any of the stuff he's talking about personally and doesn't say any of his men saw any of these things take place personally either, save for meeting with a member of the Bruiser unit (which I also have some issues with). In the day and age we're talking about, even in the mid to late 2000's, if Bruiser was just rolling out and murdering people for no reason there is no way that isn't caught by somebody. A camera, a cell phone, satellite imaging even. Other units, etc. I've read a ton of comments regarding this and not once have I ever seen a single comment from someone saying "I saw this personally". It's all conjecture, and if you're going to impugn a respected reputation you just need more than that. "I heard this from x" is just not good enough, if you ask me. Especially if some of the people who they are bringing up are local leadership which to anyone who was there should ring some bells. It was common knowledge that there were good and bad actors in that region from day one. It was definitely not uncommon to have local authorities misleading American forces and making some wild claims. Am I saying all tragedies didn't happen? Absolutely not. Things definitely happen in war. If you're going to say "This group committed war crimes", you need more than that. As an aside the enemy absolutely operated in neighborhoods, caused collateral damage, and then blamed it on Americans. That was VERY common. To say that the insurgents did not have reason to operate in neighborhoods and that it gave them no tactical advantage is just wrong. IEDs were often not tactically placed by insurgents. Some were, a lot were not. Stirring up unrest and blaming Americans for that unrest was part of the insurgency game plan to weaken our alliances with local leadership. It's very surprising to me to hear an XO say otherwise. The other issues I have are with the meeting with the Bruiser that Ryan speaks about. I get that every organization is different and operate differently. I'm not saying it's impossible that misconduct or lack of respect occurred. It can happen. What bothers me is that Ryan is saying it was 'unprofessional' to have an insignia on their equipment, the punisher skull. Insignias and identification markings have been core critical across every branch of service since inception, and the punisher skull is -far and away- not the most insensitive marking there has been in the military. To say that they are unprofessional because of that makes me wonder if this even happened. That sounds made up to me, because in my eyes and from experience that is not a reason to discredit an entire organization. As far as the war crimes not being reported thing, I get that we were very busy during that time in Ramadi. I just don't buy it that there was no way to run that stuff up the ladder. As busy as our forces were in that region, and they were definitely busy, the military makes time to investigate war crimes and take action. I have a hard time believing that it wasn't something that they would have acted on. It just does not pass for me. The last issue I have doesn't concern this broadcast itself but more the comments being deleted on Jocko's video and the like. I've seen a lot of those comments as I've tried my best to stay apprised of this topic. While some might have caught strays and were deleted unnecessarily (I won't pretend there aren't some of those), there were a ton of comments that weren't just being critical. They were threats, attacks, slurs, just plain rage. You can be outraged at allegations, but if you go on a massive rant where you are personally insulting someone... Yeah. I wouldn't be surprised if that gets deleted. Freedom of speech is not freedom of consequence. It's just like if I talk trash in a bar, I can't be mad if I get leveled for it. There's a right and wrong way to discuss this kind of thing. I'm not saying in any concrete way that these events didn't happen, but the facts presented just don't get me over that ledge. If new things come out, I'll gladly eat my own shoe and take the hit. For now though, it doesn't really pass my litmus test. Just my thoughts. Stay safe out there everyone.

@AZSETX

3 күн бұрын

Thank you

@frosty_soda

Күн бұрын

Tbh, it sounds like Jocko is a glory hound, and he does strike me as the type to have done exactly what is being claimed.

@nookie077

Күн бұрын

Anybody who listens to this guy talk and doesn't see character and professionalism must be a so deep in Jacko's hole they are willing to pay triple the rrp for his energy drinks. Just saying. Stay safe out there.

Pretty soon Shipley is gonna have a business of verifying former seals who are trying to claim they were just marines or infantry lol

@emmanuelawosusi2365

24 күн бұрын

No

@emmanuelawosusi2365

24 күн бұрын

Marines killed citizens in fallujah with white phosphorus

@jerrycrouch427

24 күн бұрын

Shipley is probably too busy trying to help his son get out of the shit he stepped in

@joesroads6387

24 күн бұрын

he responded to another comment in the first video about this. he clearly had no interest in discussing it. only correcting someone who allegedly put words in his mouth. if he wasn't there he doesn't care.

@emmanuelawosusi2365

24 күн бұрын

@@jerrycrouch427 what

Katt Williams did say that 2024 is the year that everything will be exposed.

@SuperVonKiller

24 күн бұрын

I know, that's weird as hell ain't it. Dude couldn't have been more correct, and it's only May!

@HunterHayes-rs2yi

24 күн бұрын

I didn't know Kat Williams was a Navy Seal. That's amazing 👏👏.

@sapper3504

23 күн бұрын

its the Jews stupid

@judahross

23 күн бұрын

#TRUTH

@Shmack_

23 күн бұрын

Stop 🤦‍♂️

Ryan perfectly explains why the war took 20 years. In the end, it was nothing but a benefit to the military industrial complex and officers who played along moved up.

@georgemulford2910

23 күн бұрын

Seriously dark if that is true. But I have always suspected most wars are fought along those lines. The media and government does a good job to make war or soldiering look noble.

@manhalen7046

23 күн бұрын

And i bet you were waving that flag the whole time.

@Chevelle602

23 күн бұрын

​@@manhalen7046we didn't know better back then

@tonyslaughter4285

23 күн бұрын

Smedley Butler spoke about this in war is a racket.

@thomasarchambault9463

23 күн бұрын

@@tonyslaughter4285 Yes he did. That is a great point.

We had the same issues with Seal team 3 on Camp Habbaniyah in 04-05. Kyle bragged about it in his book. Shot an unarmed civilian front of a mosque, the CO of the Tank Company that was assigned to task force 506 witnessed it and pushed up. Kyle skated free and clear of those charges and continued it in Ramadi.

Don’t idolize these men. Worry about god, yourself, and your family

@Phil_Mycock_69

24 күн бұрын

Exactly! I’ve always been amused and very baffled why people idolise military people like they are heroes. As someone who was in the navy myself believe me most aren’t. There’s a reason why we have to have locks on everything for personal stuff because your fellow serviceman will steal your shit in a heartbeat. The heroes are the ones who didn’t come home; not some desk pusher who did 20 years and takes advantage of clueless civilians idolisation of veterans and the military

@BlyGuy

24 күн бұрын

Admire and be inspired, but never idolize

@kentjerrett2201

24 күн бұрын

Well as Jocko says in his book, “discipline equals freedom”, “kill your idols.”

@tabasco-jf7eb

24 күн бұрын

I idolize Dr. MICHAEL DEBAKEY who safe so many lives , not this dude who got whoop by 🐐 herders with 🩴

@PARCE93

24 күн бұрын

You should always aim to be your own man. Too many people live in the shadow of others. Consider yourself lucky to have the veil pulled from your eyes instead of building your entire personality & life based on lies.

Listening to the part about lending out/borrowing weapons/guns is absolutely hilarious. Being from SF, the same as Jay. I can say our teams would never in a million years do this. If I dared lend out our weapons/guns and or borrowed them. My ass would be finished for good. Not saying it’s never happened, I’m sure it has somewhere by someone. I’m starting to think and realize Jocko is full of shit and is everything opposite of what he preaches now. Which is very sad to say.

@barryhercules7588

24 күн бұрын

Jocko should get a job at GBRS Group

@bittnerbs

24 күн бұрын

I agree with you here. In the April 2004 Fallujah offensive, we had “Billy Bob” and “Tommy Joe” the Delta bubbas come and link up with my Marine unit. We had gone firm and had a cordon around the city. These guys took watch and were there to kill the enemy. They had cool guy gear and we were all in awe. They let us check out their gear, but never did they allow us to “borrow” it, even while relieving them on a post. They had .50BMG and .338 Lapua rifles that we would’ve killed to shoot. Never happened. As just a regular infantry Marine, I’ve never heard of a unit, especially a non-Marine unit, lending out weapons like this.

@fj949

24 күн бұрын

Yeah, that shit would never fly…particularly with Marines…you would get crucified if you couldn’t reconcile your CMR. We had a pair of officers in one of my units that loaded out a pair of COTS rifles from a vendor to take on deployment to Iraq back in 2005. One dude got relieved of command for sneaking it on the Quadcon without requesting authorization and adding it to his CMR, the other dude got NJP’d and a LOR. One thing is picking up an AK off a combatant during an engagement for utilization if shit hit the fan, it’s a complete other thing of temp loaning weapons between units of different services and chain of command. I find it hard to believe as well. Smells like BS when I heard him say that.

@mtmadigan82

24 күн бұрын

There's few things you can do in the Marines that is more egregious than losing a weapon. The idea of "lending" weapons would make most of us laugh uncontrollably or look at you like there was a phallus growing on your forehead.

@gordo3697

23 күн бұрын

​@@fj949In korea we did trade a broken 119F to the Army in leu of maintenance it had to get okd by the G6 at the 3 MLG we also did the same thing Iraq took a ospray to Balad to replace a broken ancyz10 with the army

This channel is a breath of fresh air. It's also refreshing to see people in the comments not buying into the SEAL hype.

@JP-ho6zc

10 күн бұрын

Most of them still don't know they were cheap gangsters for BANKERS and CORPORATIONS.. 💵💵💯💯

@johnnyfamous

8 күн бұрын

Were you in the military

Jocko not bringing Kyle up made me weary and suspicious as well

@rezernitocakodtraktora

22 күн бұрын

Dude they are both just guys. If this guy did some shady shit it was other people who are supposed to bring that to command, you dont expect jocko to sit next to the guy while he is shooting. Its just funny to me how evryone decided to be quiet and not say anything about warcirmes. If you knew abour warcrimes for 20yrs and kept your mouth shut you are just as gulty.

@johnmclain1982

21 күн бұрын

@@rezernitocakodtraktora true but Jocko has a big platform and so therefore he’s in the spotlight

@georgefire72

20 күн бұрын

​​@@rezernitocakodtraktorawho were they gonna tell 20 years ago? For what? To get a hit squad after them remember this is the age of information it's alot harder to off somebody cleanly without backlash from the public because if any of these guys were to have an accident after saying some of this stuff then we'd know they were silenced back then they can just say suicide and that's all you would see in the news and no one would question it now with the Internet it's a lot harder.

@AngelArteaga-xf2hb

20 күн бұрын

I thought Kyle was under Leif Babin in Charlie platoon?

@johnmclain1982

20 күн бұрын

@@AngelArteaga-xf2hb Jocko led unit bruiser. Google it. Yes Leif was in that unit but that’s not what this is about

40:15 Those Punisher skulls on the gear not helping the cause with the population is about the same as a lot of these police departments trying to get the support of communities going around dressed up in a costume looking like they’re the ones getting ready to get dropped into Ramadi. Think about it.

@marcusaurelius7039

11 күн бұрын

Exactly. The war industry has come home to roost.

@doom8274

8 күн бұрын

it is, and the irony of the fact that Punisher canonically kills loads of cops

@GreenBeretChronicles 1st sgt, I am a former marine with 3/8 Lima. I would like the opportunity to talk with you privately about some of the content in this particular video. I was there in Ramadi and like the XO I was with this unit during secure tomorrow all the way into Ramadi. There are quite a few pieces missing from these guys takes. Neither of these Marines are wrong about anything per se but when they started talking about Tomci I think someone from Lima needs to speak up. I request a few minutes of your time.

@RH03111BFOUR

24 күн бұрын

I was in Lima from 98-2003 prior to the invasion of Iraq and wasn't there. I too Joined the Army and was deployed to Anbar with the 101st. I too have worked with SEALS in the past during our deployment to Kosovo and all the training exercises leading up to our MEU. I never got the impression that SEALS were the professional war fighters that they have always been made out to be. Do marines and Army do shit during deployments' that get themselves into trouble, Hell yeah, but not in masses because we were and are professionals when it comes to conducting operations. Its sad that these men are idolized like they are and put on this pedestal. I hope that the truth comes back to bite these men because there were far too many incidents from the Navy SOF community that have never been dealt with because their SEALS.

@bittnerbs

24 күн бұрын

Following. I was in 1st Marines. I’m interested to hear your take on the borrowing of the suppressed MP5s. Did it happen?

@kylebrothers5910

24 күн бұрын

@@bittnerbs I can say this, Joe Tomci had nothing to do with an mp5. When members of my sister company mention his name, I wish to speak with the owner of this channel to ser it right. I can talk about the mp5 but not before I talk to the 1st sgt first.

@kylebrothers5910

24 күн бұрын

@@RH03111BFOUR I request captains mast to the owner of this channel because one of my friends names is directly mentioned in this video. He deserves more respect because he can't speak for himself from Arlington and the other Marines that speak his name about a situation that were not there is not fair, so thats why I am here.

@Rudderify

24 күн бұрын

His email is in the description. I bet if you emailed him with this same comment, he’d reach out to you.

Kudos to these three gentlemen for having the guts to speak out - they are completely credible and are gaining nothing from their disclosure. Remembering what Edmund Burke said "All that is necessary for the triumph of evil is that good men do nothing." These good men are doing something.

@user-lw4mf1du7i

20 күн бұрын

They are not so "good"; ALL of them failed to IMMEDIATELY REPORT what they now so bitterly claim, happened some TWO DECADES AGO. THEY will be charged by a Military Court for FAILURE TO IMMEDIATELY REPORT, if they PUT THEIR MONEY WHERE THEIR MOUTHS (now) ARE.

Time for Jocko to show some "extreme ownership". But nah, don't think that'll ever happen.

@obamavariant9128

21 күн бұрын

Do you think the rest of the veterans will take ownership of 200,000 civilian casualties in Iraq?

@johnnyfamous

7 күн бұрын

​@@obamavariant9128 almost all of them are from airstrikes and missiles. Infantry on the ground especially living in the city is way too personal to be just waxing civilians. Sorry to rock your narrative

I am so glad that you take pride in your regiment while also policing the malfeasance to preserve it's sacred nature.

@johnnyfamous

8 күн бұрын

Take less mushrooms

David Goggins has been saying this for years

@LASTmanSTANDING1500

24 күн бұрын

I was thinking the same thing. He's BEEN say that he gets hate because he talks about SEAL business out loud but what's there to hide......unless they are doing something very wrong.

@philipdru9290

24 күн бұрын

Goggins is a friggin real man, he’s his own man. I think he had a high regard for Rangers and certainly Delta as he tried out twice for that unit.

@karlstrauss2330

24 күн бұрын

@@philipdru9290Rangers are just as bad as the SEALs IMO, they just never got the opportunity to kill OBL so they got overshadowed over the past few decades

@leroygreen8629

24 күн бұрын

Where ? Where has Goggins been saying this?

@jonsnow1081

24 күн бұрын

@@karlstrauss2330 Every branch and also SOCOM units have bad apples.

As you all know whistleblowers face a harsh road of scrutiny,but the truth always prevails. Best wishes and support on this arduous journey!

Army Ranger Eric Edstrom wrote an amazing book called “Un-American: a soldier’s reckoning of America’s longest war” and his story lines up with what you guys are discussing here

Powerful stuff. All four individuals speaking out are, in my opinion, credible. Appreciate your service then AND NOW!

@navagatingthroughthebeasts2908

19 күн бұрын

Yes i find them credible as well

Remember this always, Jocko sells a BRAND. Hes a marketer with a SEAL background.

@Trqize

22 күн бұрын

Umm... good for him?

@choncha23

22 күн бұрын

He always sold a brand. That is why I took his words with a grain of salt. Being a Vet, I know have Officer operate: anything for those bullet points on their evaluation.

@Tony_at_the_point

22 күн бұрын

And? So what are you? A cat? Makes sense with your remarks.

@Tony_at_the_point

22 күн бұрын

@@choncha23 And what are you selling? Or are you just sitting in your lazy boy with nothing better to do?

@MortonT1958

22 күн бұрын

Was he selling his BRAND while he was still deployed, or even while he was on Active Duty? If he has been self-promoting only since retirement, then while it isn't admirable, it isn't criminal either.

Thank you all for stepping up. I’m a former Marine with 1/8 & 2/2 pre 10 year war.

@tuefelhunden3391

13 күн бұрын

No such thing as former.

@willhound2

12 күн бұрын

@@tuefelhunden3391 there’s no such thing as an ex Marine. A former Marine is a Marine that served and is no longer active.

Man, your channel must get a lot of hate, so I just want to say, thanks for having the fortitude and honor to bring this out. Jock and Lief are probably multimillionaires at this point, so hope the truth gets out and we can hold people to account and train the next batch of leaders to never sacrifice their honor.

@seanf9047

23 күн бұрын

Is it about the truth or the fact they are millionaires

@manhalen7046

23 күн бұрын

They started successful companies, why shouldnt they be millionaires? The tenants of a capitalist democracy. You put the work in you reap the rewards.

@teambeforeself6839

23 күн бұрын

@@seanf9047 truth, but I was saying that this stayed hidden and now he has enriched himself and fool the masses on who he really is. Very disappointing. So not being a hater for the enrichment, the hate is the blood that it took.

@teambeforeself6839

23 күн бұрын

@@manhalen7046 they got rich on the lies. It isn’t that they are rich, it is just the deceit and use of the blood spilled.

@manhalen7046

23 күн бұрын

@@teambeforeself6839 Detail how exactly they got rich on lies. What is he lying about?

If Eric Demming is lying, then Jocko would of sued Mattew Cole for writing Code Over Counrty. Eric Demings recommends it. It came out over 2 years ago. Jocko is on pgs 153-160. 2 members of Seal Team Six were on an observation mission to see if Team Six could help Task Unit Bruiser. After witnessing warcrimes after contact, Chris Kyle in particular. They declined to help Jocko. They saw no need for it. Nor did they make a former complaint. It does provide a reason for the endless paperwork that Jocko complains about. They were trying to slow him down.

@brianhays1797

24 күн бұрын

Code over conduct 😕

@tryathletes

23 күн бұрын

Very telling that Jocko isnt threatening libel or slander when people are directly accusing him of war crimes. Why not? Discovery phase. Discovery phase means all contributing evidence becomes accessible by both sides lawyers. I'm guessing he doesnt want that. You will not win a libel case if what is being said is true.

Jockos new operation is called “Operation damage control”

@bobross5079

24 күн бұрын

Jacko is a deepstate sex doll

@ksmith87

24 күн бұрын

Good, more time to work on public relations

@Will97675

23 күн бұрын

Jocko will make a response video in back and white surrounded by yes men that back his side of the story

@sushinfudoshin8991

23 күн бұрын

@@Will97675 Already did

@thediner8929

23 күн бұрын

Operation Smear Campaign.

Jocko just did a two part rebuttal where he sites (but doesn't show) all the documentation & internal reviews that are done & the process a spec ops team has to do to operate in someone elses' battle space or whenever a SEAL team member has to shoot someone & the investigations to make sure it was a good kill. But all that is fine & dandy but it means nothing because all these documents & internal investigations also gave us the Navy SEALS' stamp of approval on ALL the lies being told about Rodger's Ridge with the stolen valor & botched planning that were covered up & Marcus Luttrell's complete fabrication of what happened at Op Redwings & that cover up. Honestly, I would be more willing to believe these Marines that are risking their reputations, with nothing to gain, to tell the truth instead of a bunch of narcissistic glory hounds that the SEAL community has allowed themselves to become.

Very impressive episode.. That you assembled all of these guys, 20 years later, to shed light on some unpleasant moments in US Mil/GWoT history is truly impressive and admirable. I'm hoping it helps provide lessons for future generations of service personnel and leadership.

These interviews have been eye-opening

@ExSTPD

24 күн бұрын

What that they waited 20 years to say something! If the SEALS were doing something wrong, then they should have said something then!

@82fdny97

24 күн бұрын

@@ExSTPD either way

@RenegadeRanga

24 күн бұрын

​@@ExSTPDare you deaf or slow. They explained why.

You can always count on a Marine to have integrity and do what's right. It's a shame it occurred but it's definitely overdue this has been called out publicly. Definitely wasn't conduct becoming a US serviceman. Thank you to the Marines and Seal who came forward to tell the truth on this matter.

@sidanx7887

20 күн бұрын

Man everyone was doing crazy stuff - everywhere

@BobbyBluBalls

20 күн бұрын

You can't always count on everyone in any organization that size. There will be shitbags in every group of people of sufficient size.

@patrickjohnson3862

19 күн бұрын

You must not know the Marine Corps’ Motto. Lie, Cheat, & Steal

I guess congrats to the channel for actually getting Jocko to respond. I would have never expected him to give any of this attention. I suppose based on the accusations being as serious as they are he was compelled to do so. My recap of this video: The Marine XO who wrote the letter clearly wanted everyone to think TU Bruiser killed 36 of "his" Marines. Jocko responded in a podcast addendum, and now here the XO walked his comments back to acknowledge that 17 Marines died in Ramadi (not 36) and around the time TU Bruiser was in theater-- which also happened to be when the most intense fighting was occurring... but he didn't elaborate that the Marine deaths were the direct result of anything TU Bruiser did like he framed in his letter. He contradicts himself in this video compared to what he wrote in that letter and how this channel presented the XO's letter in the original video about all of this. It's clearly misinformation or disinformation and if I owned this channel I would want that error on my part corrected for the record. Obviously we aren't going to see that happen because it won't fit their narrative. The XO goes on to say that HE DID NOT witness any innocent killings perpetrated by TU Bruiser, but people he knows told him about it. When asked what he did with those reports he responds saying he was too busy at the time to do anything about it. He expresses disgust with the Punisher patches the SEAL TU was wearing... and in my opinion, is the one thing in this video I would say is actually verifiable and they are justified in calling out. As a Marine and Iraq Veteran myself, I do get this perception of a lack of professionalism and still remain surprised TU Bruiser was allowed to "decorate" their uniforms in this manner. I wouldn't make as much of a stink about it as these guys are doing, but I do actually agree it's weird for an elite military unit to do that. Similar to the XO, the former enlisted Marine from 3/8 they have on here basically peddles an identical story. People in his company told him TU Bruiser killed innocent people... but he clearly says he saw nothing himself and did nothing himself about the reports he received. He goes on to talk about how intense the fighting was in and around the government center that led to the civilian population moving entirely out the area... but then also contradicts himself by saying the TU Bruiser guys who showed up to the government center shot noncombatants... that weren't in the area? But he didn't see it... people just told him they saw it. So were there civilians in the area to be shot or not? It just doesn't compute. He also says that if a Lance Corporal or PFC in a Marine unit were to shoot a civilian they'd be fried... but seems to think for some reason the SEALs had zero accountability and could shoot whomever they pleased however they pleased with no ROE. He also seemed to take exception that the SEALs operating in the area weren't briefing him on their missions and movements in the AO. He said he was a Corporal at the time. I doubt a SEAL Commander in Ramadi would be compelled to make sure a Corporal machine gunner in 3/8 was tipped off as to when they'd be appearing at the government center, their objectives while there, and when to expect them again. He also said something about how TU Bruiser would go up on the roof and shoot random people so they could get combat action ribbons. Again, after saying there was no civilian presence in the area and that he never saw them shooting random people even though he literally lived at the building throughout the deployment. So we've got SEALs clipping randoms from the rooftop of the building you live in but you never saw it? You never did anything about it? Just people you know told you about it? Well holy shit it sounds Biblical then, doesn't it? Listen, I don't think Jocko can part the Red Sea... I don't think SEALs or any military community is perfect. But I hope the people watching these videos can understand the frame here this very tiny and small group of people no one has ever heard of before is pushing versus the more likely reality that TU Bruiser wasn't a murderous bunch of unchecked cowboys. My read is that these folks don't like the punisher patches (agreed), don't like the fact that a SEAL has gone so public with their experiences and persona (understood), but to call them fraudulent murderers is quite the fucking stretch. Just my $0.02.

@ShellShockerSporanox

19 күн бұрын

So do you think it's normal for Marines to borrow MP5s from SEALs or no?

@Nickray57

19 күн бұрын

@@ShellShockerSporanox I agree with what was said in the video in terms of that being weird and strange. Jocko also corroborated that piece in his podcast addendum so it appears to have actually happened. It doesn't then lead me to believe TU Bruiser was killing innocent people, but I do agree and have never heard of "loaning" a weapon to another military unit or branch. So yeah, it's highly unusual and weird. Agree with you there.

@ExtraRice365

19 күн бұрын

Look up the video "My recollection of events in Ramadi in 2006" by Daniel Blackwell. Skip to the 10 minute mark if you're short on time. Daniel was a Marine serving directly under this XO in Ramadi. According to him, this XO Ryan was very subpar leader, and he cannot verify anything the dude claims about TU Bruiser. Meanwhile, he also listened to Jocko's response and said he can verify EVERYTHING Jocko said.

@AR-ly7yt

19 күн бұрын

Not even .02 cents maybe .01

@koltonhuntsman9633

17 күн бұрын

Those were my thoughts as well

This Marine is right though. I was an Army infantryman in Iraq from May 2005 to May 2006. After 8 of our Soldiers were kia in two separate attacks, we wrote their names on the outer cloth of our kevlars as a way to honor them before going on missions... But our company 1st Sgt went APE SHIT because of it looking "unprofessional". The Delta and Seal teams we ran across during our deployment were professional and wore mixed desert bdu's without unit any patches. Any personalized patches like "The Punisher" would have been considered inappropriate, atleast within my company. But much respect for their service....

@theshittybowman

22 күн бұрын

I hope your brothers continue to rest easy, I bet they were incredible marines. 🤝🫡🇺🇸

@johannesbauer4490

17 күн бұрын

​@@theshittybowman Soldiers, not Marines in his case. I'm former Army Infantry as well, and totally agree with his comments.

@theshittybowman

17 күн бұрын

@@johannesbauer4490 acknowledged, my apologies my man. 🫡🤝🇺🇸

If a Marine loses a suppressor in the field, that's his ass. But if Uncle Sam leaves 10,000 serialized rifles in Afghanistan? Meh, no biggie. That's peak big government.

@paulh2468

22 күн бұрын

The military-industrial complex loves it when this happens. They just get more money to replace the hardware. The US is the largest exporter of weapons in the world, with 35% of global market share. 10K M4's is a tiny drop in the bucket. Central America has the highest murder rate in the world, thanks to the thousands of US-made guns smuggled south in exchange for meth. The problems at the border are caused by American addiction to guns and drugs.

@denno3124

17 күн бұрын

When haven't we left weapons behind? We trained and armed the people we fought in Afghanistan...20 years before we were fighting there. We funded Iraq in the 80s as well when they fought with Iran.

@JJ-fu4by

15 күн бұрын

@@denno3124”we haven’t left any weapons behind” LOL are you serious? They left an entire arsenal including a fleet of black hawk helicopters. Where do you get your info, the Biden administration?

@kylewhite2985

6 күн бұрын

@@denno3124 Brzezinski showing up with a truckload of AK 47's is not the same as oopsy daisy we left some Blackhawks behind.

I respect these Marines' perspectives/experience and enjoyed listening to them. However, as far as the specific accusations of war crimes and cover up, at the end of the day it's still hearsay and assumptions (albeit, seemingly pretty reasonable assumptions from their perspective), rather than direct evidence. I have to hand it to Jocko... he knows how to talk. His rebuttal videos sounded pretty eloquent and convincing to a general audience. Unless much more specific testimony of Bruiser SEAL crimes/incompetence and Jocko directly sweeping it under the rug emerges, I don't see any of this affecting Jocko too much at this point. For those of you commenting that Jocko should come onto this channel or have guys like Deming etc on his channel to hash this out, come on!! There's no way in hell he's gonna do that. He is not going to use his platform to give these accusations or the people making them anymore attention than absolutely necessary. Outside of veterans and a niche of people who are interested enough in military and GWOT to follow this shit closely, nobody in the general public is really paying attention to this. And for Jocko's fans, his response was probably more than convincing enough to satisfy them to not look further into it. I'll give Jocko the benefit of the doubt and say that I'm not convinced that he was necessarily intentionally nefarious or a horrible guy. In light of all this, I definitely don't think he was anything close to the great battlefield commander that he makes himself out to be. It seems that he did demonstrate a level of incompetence by not deconflicting battlespace and failing due diligence to manage potentially trigger happy psychos like Chris Kyle. But at the end of the day, it seems to me that Jocko just kinda did what careerist officers tend to do: shine shit and write it up as gold. Make sure X number of ops are planned and executed, let your guys shoot enough to justify and validate what you're doing, write it up nice... and "mission accomplished." Then he got out and marketed himself well. And thanks to the Navy PR machine, the SEAL brand made it all the easier for him. Chris Kyle always seemed like a bad dude to me. At face value, the idea that he was getting that many legit kills compared to other snipers working the same battlefield never made any sense. Some snipers are better than others, sure. But this wasn't Carlos fucking Hathcock mastering the art of stalking and remaining unseen in the jungles. Kyle was manning the same urban sniper posts as all the other Marine/Army/SEAL snipers operating out there at the time. How the hell was he seeing all these legit targets that the others apparently couldn't? Bullshit.

@dv4119

13 күн бұрын

That point about Chris Kyle is really interesting and something I never thought about. If you’re right of course, cuz idk shit about these sorts of particularities of the battle space and can’t confirm a KZread comment. But Chris Kyle was one character I always found shady, esp after reading how he bragged to people about driving to New Orleans after Katrina and sniping dozens of looters on the Superdome. 🙄 And this story “Kyle also claimed to have killed two men at a Dallas-area gas station in January, 2009. He told one writer that the men attempted to rob him at gunpoint, but he drew his own weapon and shot them both in the chest. According to Kyle, the entire incident was on tape, and the police let him go after he gave them a number to call. He also asserted that he often received emails from police officers across the country thanking him for "cleaning up the streets." More than a tad psychologically unbalanced to 1) make up such weird lies, 2) think the lie makes you look good. Either it’s some expression of PTSD that tilted his aggression and valuation of human life, or the dude just has serious power fantasies of murdering “wrongdoers”, and he quenched his desire thru the military. If sniping American citizens for looting is admirable in his eyes, I don’t doubt he could justify killing people overseas in a warzone for just about anything. But part of me is like, well this is a decorated war hero I’m talking about, and there’s no concrete evidence of any wrongdoing, so I usually just keep my opinion to myself. The best case scenario is that you’re wrong, and his targets were justified (or as much as they could have been for any other in the position) and he just was a dude who got found himself at the right place at the right time to make the most of his talent, and happened to like talking shit. Worst case is a lot of innocent people were killed by a glory-seeking SEAL and a movie was made in celebration

@user-oe5vl3vn3c

8 күн бұрын

Well said. Some pretty wild accusation all amounting to hearsay.

Skulls on the uniform... reminds me of that British sketch about a certain historical military unit: "Have you looked at the symbol on our cap? It's a skull... Hans, are we the baddies?"

@Hiberno_sperg

18 күн бұрын

It's made even worse considering that the locals probably had no cultural context for what the Punisher is. To a westerner it's obnoxious but to them it's just evil.

Finally! The good fight. I’m former USAF 822nd and 824th SFS joined active duty March 2000 my second deployment was 6 Oct 2001 and was part of Task Force Dagger. Listen. The damage goes further than just the obvious. I have younger siblings and peers from high school who think only veterans with high body counts are the only real vets. In my Squadron, we took the term “quiet professionalism” very serious. Having the discipline to do your job and protect personnel and resources was the stand up troop. Intelligence and integrity is what we viewed as honorable not a comic book vigilante. My point is this shit also affects the culture we come home to after the culture we became accustomed to and that is difficult. I’d like to collaborate. I’m currently a volunteer peer support advocate and the good guys have to stick together. I feel this kind of shit hurts us, our country and national security. The romance between actors and mass ignorance also affects veteran suicide. I have witnessed that firsthand aswell. Thank you gentlemen for everything. I can relate in my own way as an active duty member immediately after the attacks. Thank you. Contact me. Too much to type. 2024 is year of truth.

I’m proud of these two Marines for coming forward. I’m proud of Deming for being honest about some of his fellow SEALs. I’m proud of the Green Beret who put all of this together and got the truth out. Thanks fellas. Much respect and thank you for your service.

From Chris Kyles Hurricane Katrina sniper stories, to the Lone Survivor Movie, where Kris Kyle leads young starstruck Marines, who affectionately referred to him as the living "Legend" while clearing houses with his sniper rifle, to the trapped U.S Army Infantrymen on top of the roof, who he singlehandedly saved at the end of the movie, to knocking out Jesse Ventura, the whole story seems suspect, if not the main parts.

@chanhowell43

21 күн бұрын

lone survivor was marcus luttrell not CK

@voodooviking1230

19 күн бұрын

I get all those guys, but it’s quite the stretch to claim Jocko is a criminal with no evidence

@oiuytv

19 күн бұрын

American sniper movie

@jansandman6983

17 күн бұрын

@@voodooviking1230 He may not be directly doing the bad deed, but as I understand it, as the commander of people who are acting like psychopaths, he was advised to leash his dogs back to their cages because deploying those has caused more problems than help simply by randomly killing innocent people. Although Jocko's intentions of ignoring calls for pulling Kyle out were never clear, he is still accountably suspect given his authority over the matter. So based on the fact that we are afforded, he is partly to blame for the deaths of military personnel caused by revenge attacks from people who previously didn't have qualms about US troop presence but has been triggered towards being hostile due to Jocko's inaction.

Not a vet here. But I 100% have always thought something was too perfect about all these cats and am happy to hear that nobody is as perfect as they are in their own comic books. I don’t think you’re angry vets! You guys and the antihero podcast dudes are the real deal exposing truths! Thank you from just an athletic electrician! The Blue Collar Way!

@PatrickWalker-gh6hm

2 күн бұрын

Carlos hathcock was perfect in Vietnam

Jocko is such a disappointment for diverting instead of owning it.

@dustynnprosser6259

23 күн бұрын

He addressed it head on Twice.

@Blinky25256

22 күн бұрын

No, he didn't. He may have fooled people like you but people in reality see it

@ACslater1

5 күн бұрын

ICC indictment soon ?

Listen….. I was Alpha 1/5, and we had the gov center AO in March-Oct 2005. We were operating out of Hurricane Point and doing mounted security patrols/ QRF/ and government center security, on a rotating basis. I did not stay the whole deployment as 1/5 was undermanned and I was short timing. I was there til about mid June. I will attest that Ramadi was a very busy place and especially at the gov center. We were always taking shit there. I stood post at the police station at first, but then moved over to the roof top overlooking the entry control point. At that post, I was in it a couple times a week. At least! One night, we spotted some armed hadjis moving through buildings to our north. We called it in and were about to light them up. Same story…. Our leadership ran it up the chain looking for adjacent units or SOF units…. They came back with the go ahead to shoot if we’ve positively identified them. Which we were certain that we had. They were wearing local attire and moving with ak’s Whatever seal team that was present in that time, skylined themselves and decided it was not a good idea to let anyone know they were going to be in our area moving around in local attire with local weapons. They were a split second away from being killed by us, for it. At the last second, my platoon sergeant stopped us, AFTER giving us the go ahead to shoot. That was my only interaction with the Seals. From afar. Don’t be stupid, talk to the units in the area and let them know you’re there so they can back you rather than shoot at you.

@Dr.Doorkicker0311

22 күн бұрын

Holy shit funny seeing you here Young 😂 small world! SF

@James_Edward59

21 күн бұрын

That’s the power of Social Media, anyone who was around or involved in any of this can easily hear about it and give their accounts as well. Thank you for your service and the story.

“That rah rah…always motivated… I’m not buying it.” Shawn Ryan talking about Jocko.

@matthewpyke5602

24 күн бұрын

When did he say this

@LilSebastian_

24 күн бұрын

@@matthewpyke5602 I don't remember when or who he was interviewing, but he did say it.

@Abefroman-lq3md

23 күн бұрын

@bluewave2024Well said. He is a complete fraud.

@kylev8905

23 күн бұрын

If Demings is wrong. Jocko should release his service record. Lets see the progression of his career AFTER his command of Bruiser. If he did such a great job, he shouldve been given command of a group etc. Or at least he should be groomed to take over a next higher command. If this stuff is fale, Jocko can easily put it to rest by proving these guys liars. I think most people want the truth above all else, even if it tears up their adoration for these guys.

@MealTeam6

22 күн бұрын

@@kylev8905he is gonna release a new protein shake flavor instead.

Chris Kyle now looks like the first episode of southpark where AL Gore hunts ManBearPig

@user-mz2de7mp1z

20 күн бұрын

*PigManBear

@yellowlizard9805

20 күн бұрын

@@user-mz2de7mp1zmotherfucker have you watched the episode

Im a Ramadi vet from 2006, and Ryan speaks the truth of what actually occurred..

Who ever is calling you guys disgruntled vets has something to hide imo. Thank you guys for bringing the truth into the light. edit I liked at the end when you got a complement about Army Engineers you had big old grin. Be Proud.

Further validates my decision to not associate myself with the military anymore. I was just a run of the mill, one tour 8404 Corpsman, mind you. The "needs of the Navy" kept me bored and/or behind a desk, which is why I left. And when I see guys like Willink, Kyle, Marcinko, who had careers that were orders of magnitude more significant than mine, mucking things up ... I just don't have the words. Thanks for the podcast. Oorah.

@marcusaurelius7039

11 күн бұрын

The military should make these glory hounds sign non disclosures bound for life. But they are all writing books and cashing in on the SEAL brand. Its actually disgusting that I ever wanted to become a frogman coming out of the Naval Academy. Bad eyes blocked that possibility, but I loved going thru the Army's Airborne school.....Oooorah.

I am so glad you guys are doing this. I am extremely saddened by the disillusionment and this needs to be covered by investigative journalism

Jocko: well, of course someone said something and made some claims. They just want clicks and fame. They don’t know anything. Those things didn’t happen. Go buy my stuff.

@FromACityThatSleeps

23 күн бұрын

Lol then all his followers will comment how authentic and convincing his rebuttal is. Unreal.

The truth is always important, no matter how long after. “If a lie can destroy it, then let it be destroyed”.

Once again, thank you Eric Deming, Ryan and Graham for their courage and bravery in speaking out. When I first came out publicly, I thought I was going to do it alone. But Eric came forward and joined me. He legitimized my allegations and has taken the role of leader in this quest. I am eternally thankful for that. Time for more whistleblowers to come forward. Let’s do this!!

The marines are absolutely right.i was army infantry in that same area and patrolled route Michigan between ramadi and fallujah for a year and only saw 2 dead insurgents.I guess Kyle and jocko were fighting and killing an enemy that was invisible to me

I smelled Bullshit on Kyle from the beginning when I first heard about him. After he got caught lying about other things, it just solidified my belief in that assessment. I heard he was reporting his own kills with no confirmation from anyone else needed. I've brought this fact up to VERY few people because of the blind hero worship so many people are engaged in when it comes to him. I also wonder if his nickname "legend" wasn't actually a reverse pun. Kind of how a 300lb guy gets the nickname "tiny". I think a LOT of his fellow SEALS felt he was utterly full of shit, and a psycho, and laid that handle on him as a backhanded way of saying it.

@crd4243

20 күн бұрын

Right on. And also « Lone Survivor » (the movie)… an absolutely non sensical story. From my own limited military experience, a tour of sevice as an NCO in the French army during the time of the Bosnian war and terrorism at home, I could sense that Luttrell’s account was absurd. And if that mission did truly unfold the way he described it, then there was something terribly wrong with the leadership and capabilities of that particular unit. In August 2008, a French patrol was ambushed an destroyed in Afghanistan by 100 Talibans. The French took 31 casualties, including 10 KIA, one of whom was killed by an edged weapon during hand to hand fighting. There was no attempt to turn this into a heroic action or to create a false narrative… it was a huge f**k-up by the French army and that’s all there was to be said. Seven families took legal action against the military leadership but to no avail, so there was a cover up of sorts. But nobody wrote a book or made a movie trying to spin the facts… that would have been disgusting and dangerous!

@patriotexx

20 күн бұрын

Chris Kyle lied about shooting looters, he lied about killing 2 men in a botched robbery, he lied about punching Jesse Ventura, he self reported many of his kills. Legend was probably actually making fun of him but his IQ was too low or ego too high to realize it or care.

@aaronmorrison7716

20 күн бұрын

I agree. I read Chris Kyle’s book. I thought, “how the hell do other snipers not come close to his reported kill account?”

@doom8274

8 күн бұрын

@@aaronmorrison7716 somewhere out there is some dude that as a pimple faced 19 year old killed a metric shitload of people in fallujah as a PIG sniper, not even school trained, and he'll never say. but I know him, and he's not writing a book about his "confirmed kills".

Takes King KONG size balls to open this door and talk like men about something as sensitive as this subject matter, Jay you quarterbacking the essence of real mentorship. Outstanding job gentlemen

I appreciate you guys bringing this to light. Hopefully you can get more guys to come forward. And as far as loaning other units weapons, it will never happen

Read Matthew Cole's book "Code before Country" about the corruption and coverups within DevGru and the SEAL Teams. So bad that they tried to prevent the Medal of Honor to a fellow warrior Combat Air Controller named John Chapman who sacrificed it all on Robert's Ridge.

You guys are true American. Thanks for serving with honor. God bless.

The SEAL command has some serious, SERIOUS explaining to do

@andrewminnich5106

24 күн бұрын

They'll retire and never acknowledge it

@ABC-dw7pe

23 күн бұрын

@@andrewminnich5106they often protect their own even if rotten … except chief Gallagher of course

@Tony_at_the_point

22 күн бұрын

These haters need to find something productive to do. They all sound like a bunch of bitter ex wives. Go get jobs

@301BOYSWP

18 күн бұрын

@@Tony_at_the_point Who are the people trying to save you from buying Jacob's trash products, bad advice & lies? listening to his narcissitc idiocy everyday on his podcast? While ago I went to his page and was Oh I had never subscribed, that makes sense. I smelled phony soon as I saw/heard one podcast. I don't know how you guys can listen to him talk for hours, hes so fucking corny.

@michaelgallagher518

11 күн бұрын

@@Tony_at_the_point Good one bro. What a burn lol

Just want to say, if any of those three men are reading this. Ya'll are doing the right thing, and I hope you are able to continue your existence without the weight of knowing what you know. I have always been anti-war to a certain extent and it it has hardened much much more compared to when i was younger, but I have never hated or held contempt over the service men/women of the military. Over the years though, after taking all in the information and I'm always learning more. I have grew bitter and formed a hatred and distrust for the Military as an institution. However, when American Sniper came out and Lone Survivor came out, and when I got older and more suspicious of stories (happens with age to everyone). After all the reports of immaturity of the seals and the my research of Chris Kyle as a human being (because at the time, I never doubted his story. I only despised him as a person, but respected his service) when I came back to those events and read into them with an open mind. My entire perspective of the Seals went from thinking that there is some bad actors, but its not a culture problem. To, most of the Seals are people I should not trust at all and I off the bat don't like them and assume the worst. To hear from all 3 of you, that this isn't your experience with other Seals but also pointing out the bad actors, I feel that I can look at Seal Units with more sympathy and respect. That there is a way to solve the issue, and that it's finally being acknowledged. I don't like the idea of real personal and intimate stories of war being sold as a way for people to experience heroism, and live through those who have actually put their life at risk (but its also impossible to prevent, and might serve a greater purpose despite it). However to have people live through those who are nothing more then living ghosts of a person they know they aren't, while most of those who have died in combat never lied about who they were, showed their vulnerability in death, but despite that faced death head on and looked it in the eye. Those people are dead, and their stories haven't been told, and most likely never will. While those who have built a lie to serve their own fabricated legacy are writing books and spewing words that might as well be considered empty and meaningless are living lives of luxury and success. Its despicable, and all 3 of you despite the faults that come with being human. Are the few that carry true integrity that actually weighs something.

I'm glad this is coming out. Semper Fidelis.

I don’t understand how this video along with the past few on multiple podcasts hasn’t been viewed millions of times

Ryan seemed very believable. I didn't see any reason to doubt him.i appreciate getting to see another witness to talk about what happened.

As A business owner I like a lot of Jockos leadership ideas. But as a regular Army vet I always thought it was weird he has an amazing deployment in Ramadi "the way he talks about it." but then got put in charge of training later. Which as just a normal Army guy that usually means they were a shit war leader or got in trouble so they stick them in spot they cant get in anymore trouble. Then when he got out close to 20 years. Usually awesome leaders stay in longer not always but the way he talks about his seal carrier I would of thought he would stick around for 30. But I didn't think much more until now. Now I feel lied to lol

For the ill-informed, no, this isn’t my real name. I have a family and don’t want to be messed with. When men face life in prison, they will silence anyone by any means. However, I am a real former SEAL. I was with SEAL Team Two from 2004 to 2011, in the Navy from 2002 to 2013, with three tours to Iraq, South America, Africa, and Afghanistan. There’s always been a rift between the East and West Coast, so take this with a grain of salt. At Team Two, we all thought Jocko Willink wasn’t doing a good job. So much so that we didn’t use any of their tactics, which is a fact. Was it in direct response to Jocko? Not sure, as I was only an E-5 when tactics changed. We operated only at night and made sure not to stand out with patches and such. In response to Michael Monsoor, I presume, we began to dog-ear our grenades with rubber bands and wear them in pouches instead of draping them on the pin and spoon. We also put tape on the pin and double wrapped it. One drunken night, I heard that Monsoor had pulled his own pin by accident because it got caught on something. That part is just hearsay. But the fact is, after Monsoor died, we changed TTPs on grenades. Why? Not sure. Bottom line is, on the East Coast, TRADET was teaching none of the tactics deployed by Jocko. We got up at 4 PM not 4 AM on deployments to conduct nighttime OPs. I know several SEALs, including Mike Day, who didn’t like Jocko. Now, as far as murder being involved, I wasn’t there. But I can say the enemy doesn’t wear uniforms, so identifying enemies is tough. And just because they don’t have guns doesn’t mean they are allies. At that time, cell phones, kids' toys, walkie-talkies, etc., were being used to detonate bombs. This included women, children, and men of all ages. So, on that front, that’s a hard case to prove some 20 years later. Now, as far as Jocko being some great leader, I’ve seen no proof of any great leadership in the military, period, as the war in the Middle East has been lost, and we are on the brink of WW3, and we have more laws in America than before 9/11. Here’s how the award system works in the military: Only screw-ups get high awards. If a group of SEALs does a mission with no shots fired and arrests the guy and gets him convicted in court, you get some low-level award. If you do daytime ops, use explosive breaching, alert everyone, Americans get shot and killed, and you survive, you get the highest awards. That’s a fact. The military awards failure. So did Jocko use terrible tactics? Yes. Is that a crime? I don’t believe so. Did he kill civilians? Hard to say. Is a he great leader? We lost the war and guys got killed on his deployment. No one was using his tactics as of 2013. Now, the martial arts thing. I can’t say if he was making money on the deal but a forensic accountant could figure that out quickly. But the Deter System was not widely loved. We all wanted some MMA-type training but due to contracts with Duane Deter it was difficult.

@user-fm1kd6mi8n

3 күн бұрын

The same Mike Day that was on Jockos podcast?

@TheDday246

3 күн бұрын

Yes. In the interview, he even says daytime operations weren’t a good idea. Mike only did the podcast to help promote his book. He told me personally that Jocko was an idiot and that he believed Chris Kyle was a murderer. But again, East Coast SEALs always poked fun at West Coast SEALs. The fact is, we no longer conduct operations like Jocko did. Jocko was using old tactics from the Vietnam era, so it’s not like Jocko had a lot to go on. Based on my career, it’s completely plausible it was all covered up. I saw all sorts of questionable things happen. My own act of valor was based upon bullshit in Iraq. I’ve seen people with broomsticks get shot by up to 16 rangers. The divide between good and evil in combat is blurry. Anyone who takes a side knows fuck all about the very nature of morality.

You can't lend out seralized gear, he's right. With weapons especially because they have to go on the unit's account through Crane. Doing it interservice is illegal, I did the books for my unit. No way a Marine Unit would accept weapons from the Navy.

Stories like this make you wonder how many true heroes will never be known, while so many monsters will be praised throughout history.

What really makes this an absolutely HORRIFIC story is that some of these people become law enforcement officers here at home

I’ve been tired of the “ Navy Seal “ story for years now. I’m so glad to see a lot more Delta guys coming out with their stories now! I’ve never heard of a perfect human/ organization before, and these guys seemed too perfect IMO. My marine leadership stoped me from attempting SF because of the behavior they saw in Iraq. You could sense that they had a bad taste for sf.

@ChrisHoward141

10 күн бұрын

Delta guys were telling their stories before SEALs. They had movies, games, books, etc way before SEALS did. You must be new😂

@shamarj834

9 күн бұрын

@@ChrisHoward141 “A LOT MORE” read carefully bud! Enjoy your day !

@ChrisHoward141

9 күн бұрын

@@shamarj834 “BEFORE”, lol don’t just read but TRY to comprehend there little guy👍

Love this. Jocko removed my comment from his video too. Btw: there’s another Marine offering up his critique of the XO in a separate video. I think both of these guys are sincere and honest. Read “Code Over Country” The email from Jocko to Chris Kyle said everything I needed to know about Jocko. Jocko sat quietly by while Kyle smeared Jessie Ventura, all while knowing that Kyle was a sociopathic liar. That’s how much respect Jocko has for his senior frogmen and tradition. Are we to believe that Jocko wasn’t there when Monsoor’s CMH was awarded? He knew that Ventura never said anything like what Kyle alleged and he knew Kyle never hit Ventura, but he sat quietly and let the country crap on Ventura. Screw Jocko.

@bittnerbs

24 күн бұрын

Can you link the video? As an enlisted Marine Infantryman during the same time that this XO was in, I find him to be suspect. He doesn’t seem like the kind of guy that made a good platoon commander. My good platoon commanders didn’t run and hide post-career. They are easy to find; however, I’m not sure where the shitbag platoon commanders are.

@manhalen7046

23 күн бұрын

Youre running to Jessie Ventura's rescue?!?!? Geezuskrist people, pull your heads out of your butts.

@dbohler8640

23 күн бұрын

@@manhalen7046 I guess you think that “because it’s Jessie Ventura, it’s OK to slander a senior veteran frogman, even if that slander destroyed his livelihood”. Ventura was there in HONOR of SEAL tradition, dismissing class 258 from Hell week, as he had done when asked to dismiss 158, years before. He didn’t bad mouth his brother SEALs as Kyle alleged and Kyle never hit him. Maybe you think that’s OK and you’re screwed up too if you think it’s OK but it’s not OK in this veteran’s mind. Jocko should be ashamed for not speaking out on Ventura’s behalf. The email between Jocko and Kyle proves that Jocko knew Kyle’s book is full of ish. Ventura became successful, wealthy and famous without scraping gold from the trident. He always honored the silent professional’s code. Kyle and Jocko crapped on it.

@JRN007

23 күн бұрын

There are some rangers also speaking out.

@dbohler8640

23 күн бұрын

@@JRN007 got a link? I’d be interested to hear what they’ve got to say.

Man, I am speechless after listening to these past few episodes. I even watched most of Jocko's just to hear his take. I was a Scout Sniper with 2/7 in the early 90's (No combat for me) and I followed The Chris Kyle story along with that of Jocko and others. Now, I really am questioning everything..One thing I do know is that, I respect these men who are speaking their truth the way they have seen it. I wish them well, they have emotional scars that need healing. SF

I want to thank each of you for your service and sacrifice. I am simply a civilian who has been intrigued by the movies and the books. And that's all I've ever had to go on until now. I'm starting to see a little more clearly, I believe. Whatever the truth is, it will eventually prevail.

THANK YOU for giving these Marines the opportunity to set the record straight! Civilians might not completely understand how unusual service members airing dirty laundry in public really is

@rse4379

24 күн бұрын

Officers are even doing it now days.

@tonyslaughter4285

23 күн бұрын

@bluewave2024usually gets swept under the rug and then they ship you on a shitty assignment.

Greetings fellow Warrior. As a Marine Raider I can say the SEAL Platoons I deployed with were 99% all professional fighters. A few were Unsat. As for the Army SF , 100% of the Green Berets I've worked with and known they are all quiet professionals and men of honor, integrity and high moral character. Maybe I was just lucky. It was a honor to serve with these men. 1989-2005.

@livinroomlongshanks

24 күн бұрын

MARSOC was stood up by the Corps in 2007 with ARMY SF writing much of their doctrine. So how exactly were you a Raider if you left in 2005?

@Charles-nc4zj

24 күн бұрын

Sir, how did Navy SEALs do in landlocked countries despite the Navy not having any infantry background? BTW thanks for your service.

@livinroomlongshanks

24 күн бұрын

@@Charles-nc4zj SEALs are the NAVYs waterborne version of Army Rangers (excluding Team 6). While SEALs are tier 2 just like Rangers and they have a solid base of soldiering skills (Land nav/SUT/CQB).

@user-wc8lu7qd2m

24 күн бұрын

@@livinroomlongshanksbro you know next to nothing.

@bittnerbs

24 күн бұрын

@@livinroomlongshankswhat? Hahahah. No. Not at all. SEALs are nothing like Rangers. Tell me you know nothing without telling me you know nothing.

I'm really glad that people are talking about this.

Thanks for the clarity boys. Appreciate all of you

Dude, I thought I was crazy when I noticed that comments on jocko videos were deleted! Thank god someone else noticing it!

@MealTeam6

22 күн бұрын

Echo Cuck manning that specops keyboard post

@OmegaTou

15 күн бұрын

KZread deletes comments all the time. KZread love to censor.

I was with 1/8 when we went to Ramadi in 2007, and we would have SEALs pass through our lines in the battlespace, and they would always let us know either by radio or Blue Force Tracker that they were passing through. On more than one occasion it was in civilian SUVs and wearing local dress, all of which they described. Stark contrast to TF Bruiser. 3/8 had an incredibly hard deployment in Ramadi. I spent significant time during our workup watching all the combat footage I could of 3/8 to get an idea of what lay ahead of us. Our Battalion Gunner had been with 3/8 and he was a wealth of knowledge. The Anbar Awakening occurred just as we got in country and it went from kinetic operations to security operations. I am glad I got to play a small part in ensuring the sacrifices of the prior Army and Marine units in Ramadi weren't wasted on my watch. Obama fucked all that up losing the city to the Islamic State, but that's another story.

@ericdeming7748

20 күн бұрын

Thanks for your 1st hand knowledge of the conduct of a normal professional SEAL group operating in your AO. That's the Teams I know and love.

Fire! Keep it coming y’all! This is exactly what our country is dying for literally right now. We need truth and accountability. Eric Demming god bless you sir. Sincerely a thankful patriot

Chris Kyle wrote a book admitting to hundreds of murders, and it got published, Ie the navy read the book and said yea that works. Think about that. The Navy has to review and OK every book.

@brn2579

24 күн бұрын

That's why I'm suspicious this is a PSYOP.

@GATOR_MCLUSKY

24 күн бұрын

they look at the book to make sure theres no classified info in it. they care less if its bullshit or not just np opsec

@TonioD49

23 күн бұрын

Cite one single description of a murder. Let’s see it.

@natel7382

23 күн бұрын

@@TonioD49 killing looters during Katrina. There you go. People trying to survive. This wasnt some protest these people were trapped. Go watch some Katrina footage it was bad.

@Abefroman-lq3md

23 күн бұрын

@@TonioD49Tead the book you tool!

I was in Ramadi with 1/16 INF from 2003-2004 ; great podcast !

I am impressed how these vets express themselves. Thank you for setting the record straight. Very disappointed in the zeros that supervised this unsupervised group. Thank you for standing up for the truth.

Thanks for sharing these events.

I don’t know…I’m already suspicious of a senior officer starting out the conversation with “uniforms, discipline, etc.” I had Marines ask me if I stopped to render aid after vehicle mishaps in downtown Ramadi. There is no way I’m hanging out downtown in a gunfight. You have to put it in perspective. At the end of the day I just want AJ Pasciuti to get credit for killing Juba, it was NOT Chris Kyle. I’ll be glad when Lee Decklelman does your show. He can give more info on who I am and what I did if it helps with anything. I’m not calling out individuals publicly but am happy to hold leaders accountable.

At this time, I would like to thank Hollywood for another bullshit war movie based on... bullshit. To future Seal team operators, dont be a Jocko.

It’s an honor to hear these men on the podcast. Wow

Some of the issues he brings up are remindingme of some of the complaints agaist PMCs like Blackwater... no clear chain of command, no respect for the regular forces... these are systemic problems. The regular joes are often the one left cleaning up after the "elite" smash and grab. What a mess.

I am not an American but I read Kyle's book and he describes the enemy as savages and dehumanizes them in every chapter so I stopped reading it and right from there and knew that he has shot some innocents in his service

@viciouzpantha

24 күн бұрын

Well you lowkey have to thats what helps you take life because subconsciously it's hard for many just to do it. All militaries throughout 5he world do that. Helps with ptsd

@mattperry5789

24 күн бұрын

Well they are savages

@TellThaTruth

24 күн бұрын

​@@viciouzpantha "Lowkey"?

@rse4379

24 күн бұрын

​@@viciouzpanthaI use the word "compartmentalize." Some are better at it than others.

@elitecoder955

24 күн бұрын

​@@mattperry5789 Kyle was a savage too...

These are serious allegations, and I’m inclined to believe these men who have absolutely nothing to gain by telling their story. I can’t imagine Jocko ever coming clean. He would be admitting to committing war crimes.

What I am seeing here is loyalty, duty, respect, selfless service, honor, integrity, and personal courage. These men are doing the right thing. If they killed civilians, disrespected and compromised soldiers dafety and security and worked against building a good civilian/military repore.

Thank you gentlemen so much for doing this, it has been a pretty well known thing for a very long time but mostly scuttlebutt, the truth will set us all free.

disgruntled vets my butt! Honorable vets (even us support guys) appreceiate integrity and honesty. If we don't admit our screw ups and move on, we are not learning, we are just lying braggarts. The move vocal the attacks on you guys the closer to the target yall are...... Thank you!

I’m not sure they are going to meet in a podcast. They are accusing him and his unit of war crimes. He’s probably talking to lawyers instead.

@JesusChrist2000BC

22 күн бұрын

There's no accusations. Bruiser actually did with the accusations say they did. You are still somehow missing the fact that there is mountains of evidence and proof buying this this isn't conjecture.

@thekitchen6378

21 күн бұрын

@@JesusChrist2000BC So I live in America. Where you have to be found guilty in a court of law. Until that time task unit and Jacko are presumed innocent and these are still just accusations.

@chanhowell43

21 күн бұрын

@@JesusChrist2000BC but where is the proof its all been hearsay? I've listened to them chirp on and on then Jocko responds and they go on some more. the comments from marines from 3/8 say contrary to their xo. One marine even goes and talks about how he (marine xo) had a lot of issues. So what is lie and what is proof?