I just came across this video and right off the bat I love that you dealt with the no grounding of the PVC pipe, I can't believe how many clueless people actually believe in the static blowing up a small shop dust collection system. I have never grounded mine and I will never do so either as it's 100% useless.

I'm doing something very similar and have been at it for like 3 weeks now back and forth between home Depot and wood craft, plus a few Amazon orders that got returned. I was really happy to hear you say you're only using tape for some joints because I've got a few areas where that would save me some headache but I wasn't sure if I should and needed some encouragement to rationalize it! I'm doing a floor sweep too but one thing I'm doing you might want to consider is lining the front lip with magnets so I can try and stop any metal from getting sucked up into the system.

So fun to see you giddy about dust collection. Nice setup!

Thank you for the floor sweep/support column inspiration!

@katzmosestools

5 жыл бұрын

That thing is awesome!

@nathanlommen8537

4 жыл бұрын

@@katzmosestools the floor sweep is cool! Going to do that for sure.

The floor sweep +1. Really nice Version 2.0 system. A shop is a ongoing work in progress. Add something and the dynamics change.

Thanks Johnathan. You're always teaching and we're always learning.

@katzmosestools

5 жыл бұрын

I really appreciate it bud!

Your DC system is one of the best looking ones I have seen. The floor sweep was a great idea, you won't regret putting it in your system.

@katzmosestools

5 жыл бұрын

Thanks bud!

Great system. Love the gates and the big planer

Probably the best video on dust collection I've seen. Thanks.

@katzmosestools

5 жыл бұрын

My pleasure bud!

Great design, I'm going to build some of those blast gates. I added rare earth magnets to the top lip of my floor sweep to catch any nails/pins/screws before they rattle through my system.

Nicely done Jonathan 👍

Nice video, I’m doing my shop now running 4” pipe. It’s a small shop and I tested the longest run and 4” works. For your floor drop add a magnet strip to catch any screws or nails, etc. For mounting pipe make cap and saddle type and screw together to go around pipe. To get rid of that static electricity run wire along outside of pipe raped along pipe, secure to pipe with self tapers going inside where the flow is, ground this to dust collector motor base. Keep it simple The pop on your elbow will like it when it touch’s the pipe lol after a long run collecting.

SO MUCH YASSSS in this video, starting with that awesome sticker on the dust collector! But seriously, it’s time someone did the “Myth Busters: Dust Collection” video. Love what you’ve been doing lately and can’t wait to see what’s next!

@katzmosestools

5 жыл бұрын

Thanks bud!

Thank you sir. Still 9am on the east coast!

@katzmosestools

5 жыл бұрын

Cheers my friend!

Great video - just about to set up my own system. Looking forward to video on router and drill press dust collection ideas. Thanks.

Also , the one place you do want to ground is your roaming hose. It isn't dangerous but with extended use you can sometimes get a very uncomfortable zap.

Dust collection is on my list of things to do this year funds permitting, I like your blast gates they are probably the best I have seen and those flexible dust hose things on the pillar drill and router look pretty cool too 👍👍👍

@katzmosestools

5 жыл бұрын

Thank you my friend!

I think your statement about cost of the plywood over steel held true until 2020. I think for someone who knows how to weld the steel blast gates can be made cheaper and lighter than the wood ones, but you've still made something very creative and cool.

floor sweep what a great idea

Great job Jimmy.

@Malcrom1967

5 жыл бұрын

I noticed the issue with securing the blast gates to the wall.

Those are without a doubt the beefiest blast gates I've ever seen. :)

Good to see your Maker's Station coming together. Can't wait to see more. You need to get more of those Makers that are going to be using it involved in the setup. :)

@katzmosestools

5 жыл бұрын

Hahaha we're saving the A Team for the big projects. @shaunboydmadethis has been a big help

Looks great! Can't wait to see more

@katzmosestools

5 жыл бұрын

Cheers bud!

Great video. A lot of good tips!!

Awesome video Jonathan!

The sweep is sweet👏

@katzmosestools

5 жыл бұрын

So awesome!

Nice work man! I highly, highly recommend the Rockler Dust Right system for your quick disconnects. Works awesome and is very easy to move from tool to tool.

@katzmosestools

5 жыл бұрын

Thanks for the recommendation JB!

thank you Jonathan very helpful and i love your channel

I saw a cool idea to add magnet(s) to floor sweep entrance to grab any screws or metal that might get drawn in. If sparked from hitting impeller or something else it can smoulder and/or ignite in fine dust or chips

thank you Katz

I love the confidence in confronting the trolls. 😂🤣 My dude 🤜💥🤛

@katzmosestools

4 жыл бұрын

hahahahaha I love the occasional sparing

Another benefit of using tape for the joints, easy to unclog jams or clean out if ever needed.

@katzmosestools

5 жыл бұрын

Agreed!

Great ideas! Thank you!

@katzmosestools

5 жыл бұрын

My pleasure bud!

That looks like a fantastic system!

@katzmosestools

5 жыл бұрын

Thanks bud!

A very nice system.

@katzmosestools

5 жыл бұрын

Thank you sir!

I have a nice push broom that I would now like to make a floor sweep for. :)

When you do you wall supports, think about taking advantage of the transition on the 6" to 4" pipe, you can just make a piece that it sits into that I would think would work pretty much everywhere in your shop

@katzmosestools

5 жыл бұрын

Great idea Richard!

Now we need a video showing us how to ground our dovetail jigs. Coming on 4/1/19. 🤣

I’m sure you’ve received a comment like this multiple times but typically you would want to avoid reducing before the wye’s. When you reduce from a 6” to a 4” and then use a 4” wye, it minimizes flow. To optimize the system you can use a 6”x4” reducing wye and then a 6”x4” reducer after the straight. I know it’s not as cost effective but it’s just the advise of a plumber. Appreciate your videos brother! Keep up the good work. 👍🏽

This is a great setup Jonathon, very well thought out. I also built the rotational style blast gates. I'll never use anything else. You mentioned attaching them to the wall, I built all my gates to attach to the walls and ceilings while holding up pipe, I've got two videos on those builds if you are still looking for ideas. Your new shop is looking amazing!

@katzmosestools

5 жыл бұрын

Great channel bud and I'm a new subscriber. You gates are amazing. Great design. I really had a tough time figuring out the shape of the rotation around the center whole while having enough mass around the center hole so it didn't break. All while trying to build in the correct angle of the stop. Took some thinking and about 100 bucks worth of plywood to get right but I'm really happy with them. I'm happy to send you a set of plans and vice versa so we can compare notes. Cheers my friend!

@GeeksWoodShop

5 жыл бұрын

​@@katzmosestools Thanksk! Sure thing, happy to send you some plans or dims. Ya, I figured mine out in SketchUp, but I also built some less successful gates first as well. (Sigh) If you are at Workbenchcon this week, we can compare notes in person!

@katzmosestools

5 жыл бұрын

I'll be there!

Floor sweep! :-O My new must have! :)

True, Grounding is unnecessary. My best innovation is the addition of micro switches at each blast gate. Opening the gate throws the micro switch and automatically turns on the fan. I had a floor sweep and I liked it, but I took it out after James Hamilton AKA Stumpy Nubs cautioned that if you suck up any metal it can spark as it hits the metal fan blades and smolder in the sawdust and later ignite a fire. I’m not willing to take that chance.

Nice. Cool idea with the coloured rope on the blast gates. If you want more visibility with the blast gate you could paint them red and green so that one colour would be blocked from view when it was opened or closed. Tim sway did a mod with big yogurt pots on the on each machine so that the flexible pipe would fiction fit on and could be quickly changed from machein to machein.

@katzmosestools

5 жыл бұрын

That's a great idea. Thank you

On the Green/Red with the rope - I did something similar with my plastic Blast Gates. Using vinyl sticker paper I would stick the name on the tab end of the blast gate on a red sticker. On both part of the gate that slides inside, I would have a green sticker with the word "Open" which would only be fully visible when the gate was open. If the gate was partly open, it would be obvious because of the word.

Sweet setup, thanks for the info! 👍🏻👊🏻

@katzmosestools

5 жыл бұрын

Thanks bud! Great to see a comment from you that's not just emojis hahaha

@FredMcIntyre

5 жыл бұрын

@@katzmosestools 😁

I’m interested to see the dust collector blow up. I’ve seen powder going through tubing spark before because of improper grounding. I do agree it would be a slim chance and people worry too much about it.

@katzmosestools

5 жыл бұрын

I'm talking to a guy who's a big KZread scientist to see if he wants to collaborate on the video. He seems interested so hopefully we can get some better explanation.

Without reading through all of the comments here(over 200 at time of posting), I had a thought on your blast-gate mounting woes. Dude, you just have them backwards! Take that curved edge of the pie shape, leave a little more meat on it, and flatten it off. Double-duty the bolts and you can add metal strapping, brackets, etc. Hell, you could even use a piece of 16g sheet metal, in place of the washers, fashioned into your bracket. All that being said, I like what you did with the redesign. Swinging rather than the usual sliding is a huge improvement.

You ground wood systems to reduce static to allow chips to travel faster and not stick to the walls. You ground industrial systems, particularly when grinding metals, to avoid fires.

Great tips again. I can't wait to see the attempts at blowing up a dust collector.

@katzmosestools

5 жыл бұрын

Going to be a blast muahahahaha

To quote Wayne and Garth while Garth has a vacuum to his brain “sucking my will to live”, your dust collection system “sure does suck”. I’m excited to see the progress in the new shop space. And your excitement shines bright. Strong work.

@katzmosestools

5 жыл бұрын

I love that movie

Awesome system You should have a shop tour video

@katzmosestools

5 жыл бұрын

It's coming

When HVAC guys install clothes dryer ducting, there is a limit for the length of pipe the can use. And in calculating the length, they told me that EVERY elbow counts as 5 feet of straight pipe. So if they have just 2 elbows (which is common), then the flow restriction from them is equivalent to 10 ft of straight pipe. A much bigger difference than I realised!

@katzmosestools

5 жыл бұрын

That's super interesting. I'll check that out

Your wire hangers to the steel structure actually offer some degree of grounding which could easily improved as you add more hard supports...you most likely wont blow up or burst into flame, but you could get a few zaps when you touch it...maybe

@katzmosestools

5 жыл бұрын

Hahahaha my brother and I spent around entire childhood zipping around the carpeted living room in socks and zapping the crap out of each other. I'm sure I'll live hahaha

When you do your dust collection test vid, I would like to see you test out if there is any difference between your fully rectangular box-shaped floor sweep, and one that is triangular. It looks like there is a possibility for dust to gather in those back corners.

Thank you for the video: ---I've got a 6 in Port on my dust collector and 6 in sch 30/40 (?) pipe to connect to it. Do you go with vinyl tubing to connect them or how do you do so?

I have been a cabinet maker for 32 years, the company I have been at all that time has never ground it's dust collection in a area 80,000 square feet, they also use 6" flexi hose for all joints. I really hope you can try and prove all the doubters wrong

@katzmosestools

5 жыл бұрын

Mark my words my friend I will.

Question for you on not grounding the dust collection. I am not worried about stopping a fire so much with the grounding but was wondering if you get static shocks at all when touching the equipment without the gounding? Thank you and thanks for sharing your system. Definitely using the tape technique!

Thanks for the very informative video. I just bought and assembled a Laguna C Flux 3 and plan start to use it with a 4 inch hose only. But I want to set up a system with PVC pipes. The question I have for you is, why did you not use like a main PVC pipe and then hoses to the individual machines? I guess in order to close the unused ones? Or is the airflow in the hoses not as good as trhough the smooth PVC? Thanks

wow this times perfectly - as I'm setting up my shop I want to get dust collection in and plumbed and ready. LOVE that floor sweep idea !!About what did you spend on the 6" sewer drain pipe ?

@katzmosestools

5 жыл бұрын

Thanks bud! About $2 a ft I think.

That's a great system! I can't happen to find in the comments your dust collector, I can see that it is Jet, which model? Thanks

Awesome video, I ran 4" sewer and drain in my small shop but cannot find a decent price reducer to drop down to my tools.

Just a thought . Ever considered useing pieces of inner tube to seal the joints on your dust collecter system . Easy on off, air tight. Tire shops will give blown inner tubes away

Glad to see you're going to do some myth-busting on the DC grounding. There are just sooo many, erm, old husbands' tales on this topic. Clyde

@katzmosestools

5 жыл бұрын

Totally agree

Great job! I agree totally on the 45 degrees unions. how can you talk that much without breathing haha. thanks for the video.

Thanks for showing your dust collection system. Building a system for my 20' x 19' garage shop. Going to build a 6" main before necking down to 4" or less at my tools. Trying to find 6" fittings for the drain/sewer pipe. Did you just go to your local home improvement store, online, or some industrial store?

Have you ever tried the rockler quick connect system? That is what i use for mine and I really enjoy it. I am curious on the quick connect you have how often the tube falls off, I notice it did for the example. Very cool video. I like the tape idea for the piping. It just takes one pipe change over to make that pay for itself to have it flexible.

Thanks for the info!! Question: Where'd you get the thin wall PVC? I'm having a hard time finding it.

So....where is the video on trying to blow up the dust collector? You got me all pumped for it, and I can't find it anywhere in your channel!

Funny that you mention grounding, I was thinking about that subject as well, but for a completely different reason (I'm not worried about blowing up the system). I wondered how well grounding the system would help with static buildup in the lines. Less status might equal less sawdust sticking to the charged walls? I just wondered if it would help with keeping things moving in the lines. One tip I saw elsewhere for bonding your pipes together was to use some silicone caulk. Just put a bead around the outside. Seals it up, but easy to get rid of if you change the system. You going to tape a thin strip of magnetic tape to the floor in front of the sweep? It would help catch washers, screws, etc. that always end up down there.

@katzmosestools

5 жыл бұрын

Great idea on the tape. Just might have to do that. Not too worried as it's a cyclone but would be cool to grab lost hardware

@stevemcentyre1570

5 жыл бұрын

Good point about static build up. It depends quite a lot on how dry things are like the sawdust and the air. The way to check is to stick a bare wire down in the airstream and run a load of chip/dust through the system and hold onto the other end of the wire. You can get a nasty surprise. Metal ducting is fairly cheap and solves the static problem if you ground at least one point of the system. The danger is more from fire than anything else. That is assuming no one is stupid enough to try and suck up some flammable solvent vapors. (do that outside) Magnetic tape is historically quite weak so a better alternative would be to take a piece of steel shim stock put it under the floor sweep with a Neodymium magnet on the outside that is removable so you can retrieve your screws, cotter pins, nails, etc. I have seen more than one grain elevator fire so my stuff will always be grounded.

@mikekey686

4 жыл бұрын

@@stevemcentyre1570 You are comparing a grain elevator to a home shop dust collection system....those are vastly different things...that's like comparing bicycles to Semi's.

did the same thing for my blast gates except I didnt use coloured rope, I just painted the portion thats visible bright orange to see if it's open or not

Please do a video on your drill press dust collection setup.

@katzmosestools

5 жыл бұрын

Definitely coming

My friend locally is a trim manufacturer for our home improvement stores where I live and make custom stuff too, their cyclone blown up, but almost 100% rare.

@nathanmitchell3988

5 жыл бұрын

Nobody was hurt though, and none of the tools for manufacturing in the building that was on fire got damaged.

@nathanmitchell3988

5 жыл бұрын

I don't hang around his plant though so I don't know all the tools that are connected to the vacuum, and he does grind custom router bits so they do have sparks. Who knows maybe almost all of the reports were actually caused by a metal spark, I haven't ground my system also, I figure just keeping my system clean will near 100% prevent the theory of it, and my workflow isn't enough yet in my life to even think about it, if it happens to a plant in China I would be speculative because I've seen videos of their plants and some of them let their employee's smoke near the equipment.

Way to go on the static/safety troll comment. I have had the safety police troll me on my system for not grounding. Thanks for your video. Nice system!

Blow up a dust collector he said. What that poor dust collector ever do to you. Haha. Thanks for the informative video again. I've got a simple wall mount unit from grizzly with only one branch that goes to a dust deputy kind of like I think you used to have. Works good for my little use.

@katzmosestools

5 жыл бұрын

But he called me names

@randywright7933

5 жыл бұрын

@@katzmosestools mmm hmm that's what they all say. 😁

Nice one!....it looks like your sticker collection will form on the dust collector...I saw Blake’s there

@katzmosestools

5 жыл бұрын

I put them on all my tools with visable faces. Fun to promote

@fatherandsonwoodshop8353

5 жыл бұрын

Jonathan Katz-Moses I agree, looks like it is a common theme in the group....I will have to start my collection of Woodshop stickers

You might not be able to blow up the dust collector but the static electricity still will hurt a lot if you get close with your hands to the ducting. That could be solved with a few screws in the pipes connected to a grounding object.

@katzmosestools

5 жыл бұрын

My brother and I spent our entire childhood rubbing our socked feet on the carpet so we could zap each other. Didn't hurt then and I'm sure 25 years later it's not going to be a big deal.

you talked about a spiral cutter in your planer, I've got a DeWalt with 3 blades. I was wondering if I can switch my planer over to a spiral cutter with out buying a different planer. ie a spiral cutter.

If the section to the cnc and bandsaw is heavy just build another floor sweep, if you have to build something to hold the weight it might as well be useful.

@katzmosestools

5 жыл бұрын

Great idea bud!

@mikemcilroy4995

5 жыл бұрын

@@katzmosestools If you do put in another floor sweep and space allows, put the blast gate around waist height and a wye just below it with a reducer and a smaller gate so you could attach a coil of vacuum hose like you were discussing

Do you have any pressure relief on the system? In case you turn it on while all the blast gates are closed.

I'm disappointed there were no "this thing really sucks.....gentlemen... mind out of the gutter...." lol great vid man. epic

Glad to see your shop is coming along ! Can't wait to see some awesome builds with other makers ! Best of luck , my woodworking brother from another mother ! 😎

@katzmosestools

5 жыл бұрын

Thanks brother! Coming along nicely!

I’m a newbie to central dust collection and after watching your video I noticed your comments on not grounding your pvc runs. You stated that you weren’t grounding them because “it’s impossible” to blow up a dust collector. My question is - I thought the purpose of grounding pvc runs was for fire prevention due to sparks and flammable saw dust. Please advise. Sure as hell don’t want a fire in my new pole building shop after finally pulling the trigger and getting out of my 13-year rental shop! Any insight to this would be greatly appreciated. Thanks 👍🏻

Hey Jonathan - Love this video - trying to conceive of my dust collection system now. Would really like to know what is the blue (with yellow nozzle) flexible, shape-holding segmented tubing (at about 7:34) you have on the router table. Can you direct me to where I can get that component? Thanks!

Do you have any issues with static electricity?

Where did you get the articulated joint for the router table inlet?

Where do you get the quick disconnect clamps for the 4” flex hose???

What model of Jet dust collector did you buy. I couldn't see it anywhere in the listing of materials. Thanks and great work.

Dang that planer is no joke! Glad everything is up and running smooth.

@katzmosestools

5 жыл бұрын

Seriously. Thanks again for your help bud

So with a small shop and a Ridgid 6.0hp shop-vac. Everything is 2 1/2" hoses. Can you come off a 2 1/2" shop vac to a 4" PVC run to a 4" blast gate, than a 2 1/2" hose to the machine?

Any idea what that wand dong would be called on hamazon?

@katzmosestools

5 жыл бұрын

Dust collection wand maybe?

Maybe i missed it, but could someone point me to a link for the quick disconnect clamp and the flexible tube? Great Ideas, thx.

Just for the record, 4" shrink wrap tape works and looks better. You can order it online in white 8mil. Sticks to PVC like crazy and is stretchier (is that a word?)

@katzmosestools

5 жыл бұрын

Thanks for the tip. Ill have to check it out.

Can anyone provide a link for that white mount on the loc line dust want at the router table?

I have a dedicated 1.5hp Delta 50-850 for my cnc and want to install it on a platform in a "closet" above my Blackbox Hurricane vac. Ceiling is just 8' so the only this will work is if I'm able to rotate the blower outlet to a horizontal position. It seems like this would be more efficient as it eliminates one ell and feeds in from the bottom. Can you think of any reason I shouldn't rotate it? Thanks

What size flex hose are you using that it fits directly on the 4"pvc?

I love this. I am also from California, Napa to be exact. Here, if you have a business license, the Fire Department comes around to inspect and they have some specific grounding requirements for a dust collection system. Not sure if that is a local thing or there is some sort of a NFPA code that they are looking at. I'm actually in the County now so at least for now not under their jurisdiction. Thoughts? Also wondering how many gates can be open and in use at any one time without affecting your system efficiencies since I think you are planning to have some shared use?

@katzmosestools

5 жыл бұрын

Sounds like a local thing

I have 5" metal pipe in my Dust Collection any plans to release blast gate plans for 5" Also i just purchased your Dovetail Jig, Alignment board, and stop block cant waite for them to arrive so i can start using them.

@katzmosestools

5 жыл бұрын

Awesome bud! Thank you! The fusion plans are included so you can edit the plans to fit your needs. Cheers!

please tell how to find fast clamps for pipes like in 4:07 ? Thanks

I just did my dust collection in a similar way.. but my main issue was when one section of the pipe got clogged and I couldn't see where the issue was.. what do you think about a few short sections of clear flex pipe around some of the complicated sections that may tend to clog so you could see the clog and clean it out easily? I still working through it in my head..

@katzmosestools

5 жыл бұрын

I think the only thing that clogs is blast gates. Everything else should be fine