I haven't played the drums for a while but the Glynn Johns method reminds me so much of sitting behind a kit. There's a space and balance to everything.

@bennokaiser698

9 ай бұрын

I have the same feelings, but with recorderman. Liebe Grüsse Benno

@MobiusMinded

8 ай бұрын

@@bennokaiser698 one of the best comparison videos of this subject. It was great that you played an equal number of bars for each section, and the same beat. 👍🏻😎

@bennokaiser698

8 ай бұрын

@@MobiusMinded Thanks a lot. I think I make an other one with ribbon miks only. Liebe Grüsse Benno

recorderman has the best focus and punch of the toms, kick and snr in this example.

@bennokaiser698

8 ай бұрын

I like recorderman a lot, hands down my favorite. Liebe Grüsse Benno Kaiser

I'm still amazed how full/low end and punchy Glyn John's setup is. WOW. thank you so much for this very quick to the point no nonsense comparision!

@bennokaiser698

4 ай бұрын

Thanks a lot. I like this one even more:kzread.info/dash/bejne/dX-Fk8qJqtCeiqg.html

Interesting how much the hats moved around in the image… a great example of how much easier one set up could make a mix vs another depending on the arrangement! Knowing ahead of time if it was going to be busy vs sparse could make a huge difference if you get this mic placement technique right!

@bennokaiser698

Ай бұрын

Good point! Even if you choose a wider technique, you always have the option to make it more mono. Liebe Grüsse Benno

Thanks for posting this -- so great to have things so concise, and right to the point, without any sale pitches, etc. Thank you!

@bennokaiser698

20 күн бұрын

Thanks mate! With ribbons, I like it even more: kzread.info/dash/bejne/dX-Fk8qJqtCeiqg.html Liebe Grüsse Benno

You are unbelieveably consistant from take to take! Really awesome.

@bennokaiser698

2 күн бұрын

Thanks a lot. Liebe Grüsse Benno

Straight and to the point very nice

@bennokaiser698

3 ай бұрын

Thanks a lot, this one is even better (I think): kzread.info/dash/bejne/dX-Fk8qJqtCeiqg.html Liebe Grüsse Benno

Man thank you! This is great 👍

@bennokaiser698

4 ай бұрын

thanks, I think this is even greater: kzread.info/dash/bejne/dX-Fk8qJqtCeiqg.html Liebe Grüsse Benno

Great comparison! Thnx! Only wish is that A-B, Recorderman and Glyn Johns would be stereo-flipped so that all setups had the same "audiens perspective" =)

@bennokaiser698

8 күн бұрын

Thanks! I think I didn't make this mistake in this one: kzread.info/dash/bejne/dX-Fk8qJqtCeiqg.html I love ribbons! Liebe Grüsse Benno

I like Glyn Johns setting alot, each sound is spacy and deep but surprisingly sharp, liked floor tom. good compare and good vid. thanks

@bennokaiser698

3 ай бұрын

My personal favorite is recorderman, with ribbons I like it even more: kzread.info/dash/bejne/dX-Fk8qJqtCeiqg.html Liebe Grüsse Benno

Thanks so much for this video! I'm studying drum mic techniques and this video is perfect.

@bennokaiser698

4 ай бұрын

No problem! Specially for drums, the one with only ribbons is way better: kzread.info/dash/bejne/dX-Fk8qJqtCeiqg.html Sounds like I hear it behind the set, so the dynamics are more accurate. Liebe Grüsse Benno

Really helpful stuff. Thank you.

@bennokaiser698

3 ай бұрын

thanks a lot. This one is even better (I think): kzread.info/dash/bejne/dX-Fk8qJqtCeiqg.html Liebe Grüsse Benno

great playing!

@bennokaiser698

4 ай бұрын

Thanks a lot! I think this is even better (the video, not the playing): kzread.info/dash/bejne/dX-Fk8qJqtCeiqg.html Liebe Grüsse Benno

YES. Thank you!! That! SOOOO much work I could have done that you just did. Researching how to send you a check 🙇‍♂️

@bennokaiser698

4 ай бұрын

You are very welcome! I like this one even more: kzread.info/dash/bejne/dX-Fk8qJqtCeiqg.html Ribbons are so much better on drums. Liebe Grüsse Benno

Thanks, very helpful

@bennokaiser698

9 ай бұрын

You are very welcome. Liebe Grüsse Benno

Thank you

@bennokaiser698

2 ай бұрын

You are welcome. lg

Great to get loose for beginners like me. Thanks

@bennokaiser698

7 ай бұрын

You are very welcome! Liebe Grüsse Benno

Super gemacht, lieber Benno!

@bennokaiser698

Жыл бұрын

Danke dir!

Superb video! Recorderman for me on these examples...thanks for the inspiration :)

@bennokaiser698

Ай бұрын

Thanks a lot. Recorderman is also me favorite, have you seen that one: kzread.info/dash/bejne/dX-Fk8qJqtCeiqg.html Liebe Grüsse Benno

Kick on that A-B is fantastic. Either A-B or recorderman in this specific sample would go long way with couple of individual mics. Fantastic work! 👍 Glynn Johns is a bit hyped method at this point. The truth is, it is VERY tricky technique in general. It’s cool and all until that one too loud hit on floor Tom or ride at the wrong moment. Yeah if lucky you might be able to edit/replace but that’s another subject…

@bennokaiser698

2 күн бұрын

Check out this one (I like Ribbons):kzread.info/dash/bejne/dX-Fk8qJqtCeiqg.html Liebe Grüsse Benno

ORTF is my favorite

@bennokaiser698

2 ай бұрын

ORTF sounds wide but also mono compatible, I dig it! My favorite is recorderman, sounds pretty much like I hear it, so my dynamics are in spec. This one is even better: kzread.info/dash/bejne/dX-Fk8qJqtCeiqg.html Liebe Grüsse Benno

Taking into account both sound and imaging, something in between A-B and ORTF would be ideal to me. AB was maybe a little too wide and a bit on the bright side, while ORTF was a good compromise image-wise, but the sound was rather muddy.

@bennokaiser698

3 күн бұрын

Thanks!

Very interesting to hear in that context - each make sense. It would be interesting to know what processing (if any) you did post recording. Great sounds in any case 😊

@bennokaiser698

9 ай бұрын

No processing at all. Liebe Grüsse Benno

Thanks for the hard work! I have to say I preferred xy. It's funny, I started there years ago, went with spaced pairs for a while, but now coming back to xy. Love the cohesive stereo image it provides. What's the kit you're using?

@bennokaiser698

Жыл бұрын

Well, it wasn't that bad. for me it was a journey too. I landed on Recorderman, SD and BD always in the center, a pretty wide stereo image and it is very close to what I hear. Usually with two ribbons. The kit is a diy one, cause here in Switzerland sleischman is not available, plus I like to build stuff. Liebe Grüsse Benno

@RustyKnorr

Ай бұрын

You could buy my Sleishman kit! One of 25 in the world with my finish. ❤

glyn johns for meeee

@bennokaiser698

Жыл бұрын

I like the bottom end a lot. Usualy I have a crash at this Position where the right mic is, and in Glyn Johns it is not usable. Plus the mono compatibility is not that great, so I prefer Recorderman. Liebe Grüsse Benno

schöner Vergleich! danke dafür! Ich nutze fast ausschliesslich Glyn Johns. Ich finde hier aber den Recordern am besten.

@bennokaiser698

3 ай бұрын

Danke Dir. Mein Standard ist Recorderman, da es meinem Höreindruck am ähnlichsten ist und somit stimmt die Dynamik mit Sicherheit am besten. Bei Glyn Johns muss ich immer auf ein Crash verzichten. Generell nehme ich Drums am liebsten mit Bändchen auf: kzread.info/dash/bejne/dX-Fk8qJqtCeiqg.html Liebe Grüsse Benno

Nice comparison. For me, it's either the spaced pair or the recorderman, with the Glyn Johns close behind.

@bennokaiser698

3 ай бұрын

I'm a recorderman fan: lots of spread, SD and BD in the center. Did you check out this one, it's Evan better: kzread.info/dash/bejne/dX-Fk8qJqtCeiqg.html Liebe Grüsse Benno

Great video you samples sound awesome! Can I ask how much do you panned the mics on Ortf and Glyn Jones?

@bennokaiser698

9 ай бұрын

hard left and right. Liebe Grüsse Benno

Great sounding drums and great example of each. Thank you! May I ask what mics and preamps were used?

@bennokaiser698

5 ай бұрын

Recorded with Oktava MK012 direct into Moto 8M, except M-S there is a Hitec Audio Fat Three involved. Follow up Video with ribbons only: kzread.info/dash/bejne/dX-Fk8qJqtCeiqg.html

Hi, very interesting, but a pity some of the mic setups were inverted as far as Left-Right is concerned.

@bennokaiser698

3 ай бұрын

sorry about that, shit happens. Here it should be better: kzread.info/dash/bejne/dX-Fk8qJqtCeiqg.html Liebe Grüsse Benno

Great video. I like Recorderman lately but I go a little wider on the spacing. ORTF is good if I don't want to have to experiment so much, but toms can sound weird.

@bennokaiser698

15 күн бұрын

Thanks a lot. I love Recorderman, with wider spacing you go further up with the top mic? Liebe Grüsse Benno

Great demo! The kit and the room sound terrific. M-S took away some of the room sound. Glyn wins in my book.

@bennokaiser698

2 ай бұрын

Thanks a lot. This one is even better: kzread.info/dash/bejne/dX-Fk8qJqtCeiqg.html Liebe Grüsse Benno

Sehr schöne Zusammenstellung, besten Dank! Glyn Johns gefällt mir am besten, hab ich auch schon mal benutzt, ansonsten nehme ich Closemics, das klingt für Rock und Metal meiner Meinung nach irgendwie besser.

@bennokaiser698

5 ай бұрын

Danke dir. Ich benutz am liebsten Recorderman, das entspricht am ehesten dem was ich als Drummer im Raum höre und somit ist meine Dynamik (vor allem auf den Becken) dort wo sie sein sollte, hoffentlich. Was ich auch sehr liebe am Schlagzeug sind Bändchen, hast du das schon gesehen: kzread.info/dash/bejne/dX-Fk8qJqtCeiqg.html Liebe Grüsse Benno

Sehr cool, ich hab Drum Overheads noch nie in ORTF aufgenommen, aber das klingt hier für mich eindeutig am besten. Schöne Breite, trotzdem gutes Center. Probiere ich auf jeden Fall mal aus. Wie war die "Kipp-Ebene", im Video sieht es etwas senkrechter als 45° aus. Und ungefähr über dem Kopf oder weiter hinten? Auch sehr geil getrommelt. Danke!

@bennokaiser698

8 ай бұрын

Danke dir! ORTF find ich verbindet sehr schön das XY Center mit der A-B Breite. Mein Standard ist Recorderman, kommt meinem Höreindruck extrem nahe, plus BD und SD sind in der Mitte. Position von ORTF ist senkrecht über der SD. Liebe Grüsse Benno

XY or Glyn Johns method for me, though for different reasons. The XY method I liked for how focused the snare sounded and the Glyn Johns for the space and wideness.

@bennokaiser698

Ай бұрын

Good point, Thies video (I think) is even better: kzread.info/dash/bejne/dX-Fk8qJqtCeiqg.html Liebe Grüsse Benno

My preferred has been the Glyn Johns when it comes to use only the 3 mics expected. But when it starts to add close mics, in toms, snare, etc, I find myself in very trouble with phase issues, mostly with toms, who cancel themselves between OH and close mics.

@bennokaiser698

3 ай бұрын

Troublesome! My go to is Recorderman and luckily I don't have any phase issues with that. Liebe Grüsse Benno

ORTF for me. With the Glyn John setup the kick was out of center a lot!

@bennokaiser698

29 күн бұрын

To be fair Glyn Johns would be with a third mic at the kick. For me its recorderman, also check out this one, I like it with ribbons: kzread.info/dash/bejne/dX-Fk8qJqtCeiqg.html Liebe Grüsse Benno

Nice! I wonder how the ride sound would alter.

@bennokaiser698

2 ай бұрын

Thanks, check out this one, I like it even more: kzread.info/dash/bejne/dX-Fk8qJqtCeiqg.html Liebe Grüsse Benno

Requesting an explanation on the Glym John’s technique🙏

@bennokaiser698

6 ай бұрын

Glyn Johns is usually with three mics: one over the snare, one on the side on the floor tom, and one in front of the kit over the bass drum. A equal distance and pointing to the snare. I used the '2/3'- variant of that without the Bass drum. Liebe Grüsse Benno

Thanks!!! What is the drum setup? Sonds very good

@bennokaiser698

Ай бұрын

Thank you! that is my DIY-take on www.sleishman.com. Also watch the ribbon version: kzread.info/dash/bejne/dX-Fk8qJqtCeiqg.html Liebe Grüsse Benno

Just OHs, Glyn Johns would be my favorite. If you add a kick mic, I'm going Recorderman

@bennokaiser698

2 ай бұрын

Recorderman is my favorite, with Glyn Johns I always have to take away a crash. This one is even better: kzread.info/dash/bejne/dX-Fk8qJqtCeiqg.html Liebe Grüsse Benno

Ab always hard to pull off on recording if you want a focus snare sound.. maybe in live it’ll work.. soo recorders and glyn for me

@bennokaiser698

4 күн бұрын

In Glyn Johns Bassdrum is off center, so Recorderman is very nice specially with Ribbons: kzread.info/dash/bejne/dX-Fk8qJqtCeiqg.html Liebe Grüsse Benno

Your drums remind me of the donkey kong congos for gamecube

@bennokaiser698

2 күн бұрын

Did not know it, but yes I can see why. Built them myself, in a Sleishman-Drums-Free-Float way. Liebe Grüsse Benno

nice set up . what type of headphone do you use?

@bennokaiser698

3 ай бұрын

That is a Audio Technica ATH-M50X, at home I use a Sony MDR-7506, both very good cans. Liebe Grüsse Benno

Depends on the context of the music......but for rock, Glyn Johns for me please.

@bennokaiser698

Ай бұрын

Absolutely! For me as a drums: Recorderman. Is the closest to that what I'm hearing so the dynamics are spot on. With ribbons for me Evan better: kzread.info/dash/bejne/dX-Fk8qJqtCeiqg.html Liebe Grüsse Benno

gj and xy is the choice

@bennokaiser698

4 ай бұрын

Well, my personal favorites are recorderman and M-S, specially with ribbons:kzread.info/dash/bejne/dX-Fk8qJqtCeiqg.html Liebe Grüsse Benno

Ortf inverted LR

@bennokaiser698

7 күн бұрын

fixed version: kzread.info/dash/bejne/Y22HpZSdqbO7ZKw.html and with Ribbons: kzread.info/dash/bejne/dX-Fk8qJqtCeiqg.html Liebe Grüsse Benno

OK, the "Glyn Johns" sounds the best. I am assuming that is a mic above&behind, and a mic over the toms on the drummers right side... There is no eq on the high end? why are the high hats quieter in the mix? I would think over head would get some extra HIGH END FREQS from the high hats! But maybe the other mic set ups are getting extra high end from the room, and the "Glyn Johns" set up is deceptively DIRECT on the DRUMS? IMHO

@bennokaiser698

3 ай бұрын

The are only top and side (floor tom) mics no in Front. Absolutely no eq. and here with only ribbons: kzread.info/dash/bejne/dX-Fk8qJqtCeiqg.html Liebe Grüsse Benno

@Freddy-Da-Freeloadah

3 ай бұрын

Top & Side, equidistant from the SNARE (Johns says DON'T MEASURE!!!) OK, I can try that... @@bennokaiser698

Love the Glynn Johns technique, but it does require a lot of discipline on the drummer to play consistently and not over work stuff. If the part is too busy and recorded that way it can be hellishly difficult to make it sit in a mix without the drums becoming the entire focus. But maybe that's what's needed.

@bennokaiser698

22 күн бұрын

Interesting! For me as a drummer, Recorderman comes the closest to what I'm hearing, so the dynamics are spot on. with ribbons, I like it even more: kzread.info/dash/bejne/dX-Fk8qJqtCeiqg.html Liebe Grüsse Benno

Why I don't hear SIDE in M-S? Only MID sounds🤔

@bennokaiser698

4 ай бұрын

I have to confess that I was very unhappy with the M-S version of this video, but I'm very pleased with that one: kzread.info/dash/bejne/dX-Fk8qJqtCeiqg.html I hope you too. Liebe Grüsse Benno

A-B and G-J have stereo flipped

@bennokaiser698

3 ай бұрын

sorry, shit happens! This one is better anyway: kzread.info/dash/bejne/dX-Fk8qJqtCeiqg.html Liebe Grüsse Benno

what kind of drums are being played?

@bennokaiser698

Ай бұрын

Build them myself, are free floating shells kind of like www.sleishman.com I could not listen to them in Switzerland, so I hade to build them. Liebe Grüsse Benno

Sounds the same on my echo dot 5

@bennokaiser698

6 ай бұрын

Is that thing even stereo? Liebe Grüsse Benno

I'm curious how you panned these...

@bennokaiser698

17 күн бұрын

camera perspective, but I think some are wrong (drummer perspective), sorry! In this I think I got it: kzread.info/dash/bejne/dX-Fk8qJqtCeiqg.html Liebe Grüsse Benno

@aronvanalstine

17 күн бұрын

@@bennokaiser698 hard panned? 9 o'clock and 3 o'clock? Can't be straight up the middle... great demo. Super helpful. Thanks!

@bennokaiser698

17 күн бұрын

@@aronvanalstine hard panned! Liebe Grüsse Benno

@aronvanalstine

17 күн бұрын

@@bennokaiser698 Interesting! Thanks!

cool video but it would be useful to play cymbals as well

@bennokaiser698

7 ай бұрын

Well, HiHat are technically cymbals. But I hear you! I will make a ribbon version and try to come up with a groove that includes also cymbals, promise! Liebe Grüsse Benno

@bennokaiser698

4 ай бұрын

kzread.info/dash/bejne/dX-Fk8qJqtCeiqg.html now with cymbals! Liebe Grüsse Benno

I like the recorderman, XY and ORTF. The MS is kind of too thin. I found the AB weird, and i don't like the glyn johns.

@bennokaiser698

4 ай бұрын

The M-S in this video is also not my favorite, but in this it's really nice: kzread.info/dash/bejne/dX-Fk8qJqtCeiqg.html I really prefer ribbons for drums, by a lot! Liebe Grüsse Benno

@ludovicmorelon6771

4 ай бұрын

​@@bennokaiser698 yep i know ms can sounds great, just here it does not work well for me. I never liked GJ, and although i might like a lot of records with AB drums i don't like it when i ear it, i always think it sounds weird, not musical. BTW i like your sound and your acoustic's room. And thanks for your video. Schuss.

@bennokaiser698

4 ай бұрын

@@ludovicmorelon6771 With GJ I always have troubles with my cymbal setup. with MS and Recorderman I feel more like how I hear the drums, and so my dynamics, specially of the cymbals are more in balance with the drums. Liebe Grüsse Benno

MotU

@bennokaiser698

4 ай бұрын

Jep! A 8M and a old 8pre, so combined 16 channels. Liebe Grüsse Benno

Glyn Johns, I want to love you, but the kick always gets pulled to the side mic...

@bennokaiser698

17 күн бұрын

That's why I love Recorderman. With ribbons I love it even more: kzread.info/dash/bejne/dX-Fk8qJqtCeiqg.html Liebe Grüsse Benno

Am I stupid? What is the difference lol

@bennokaiser698

Ай бұрын

If you are listening on a mono output, like a iPhone, you won't hear a big difference. On a stereo system you should! And if not, maybe audio is not for you. Liebe Grüsse Benno

XY is the most boring option you can have. MS has always sounded weird to me. ORTF is the most natural approach to stereo. AB is a classic great sound, but fiddly with cymbal height and level. Glyn Johns is punchy and Recorderman is to Glyn Johns what XY is to ORTF. Or that's my take anyway. Btw on the AB, Recorderman and Glyn Johns the stereo image is flipped.

@bennokaiser698

3 ай бұрын

In this recording MS sounds weird to me too.

@jensnln

3 ай бұрын

@@bennokaiser698did you use both small diaphragm condensers for ms?

@bennokaiser698

3 ай бұрын

@@jensnln for M-Chanel yes, for S it is a large diaphragm mic. Liebe Grüsse Benno

Glyn Johns is cool but floor tom sounds dead. Recorderman best all arounder

@bennokaiser698

3 ай бұрын

You have a good ear, all toms are partially covered with felt on top. My problem with Glyn Johns is that I have to get rid of a cymbal. I'm a recorderman fan: lots of spread, SD and BD in the center. Did you check out this one, it's even better: kzread.info/dash/bejne/dX-Fk8qJqtCeiqg.html Liebe Grüsse Benno