Not an expert by any means, but how could that mound, upon which they built the road, be expected to stay there.

@spooderdoggy

Ай бұрын

It’s noticeably all fill dirt. Not a small boulder kind of rock base seen anywhere. The landslide was inevitable.

I used to have to drive that pass everyday winter was scary on that pass

@supertuesday600

Ай бұрын

Most likely there was a huge underground cavity that was undetected extremely deep beneath, and the cavity eventually caved in (after thousands of years) sucking down all the earth and soil above. That's where most of the soil went. Deep down.

@476233

Ай бұрын

As a Floridian, this would terrify me on a normal day, let alone in rain or snow .

@lylestavast7652

Ай бұрын

@@476233 I'm terrified every time I have to go to Florida. lol The Rockies are calm by comparison

@user-lp1jw9bo5y

Ай бұрын

Life is scary

@OldSloGuy

Ай бұрын

@@supertuesday600 For those familiar with soil mechanics, this is a classic shear bowl. In the video, you can see the guard rail draped into the bowl. Looking carefully just beyond you can see the row of guard rail posts that used to be attached to the rail. So, that line of posts used to be at the top of the slope. On the drone shots looking down the canyon, you can see the hump of soil beyond the posts where the slide came to rest. Think of this as a dirt avalanche.

that row of guard rail posts all still in place at the bottom - like the top layer was consolidated pretty well and a full sheet slid out from underneath it to take it all down in one slump-off.

@Mk101T

Ай бұрын

No I think the guard rail is what is hanging down and to the right , but still attached at the left road portion. The horizontal row of pilons at bottom , looks like a previous attempt to curtail erosion at the base for something like this to happen. But the amount of dirt at the bottom shows how very little there was actually holding that road bend up. And has probably been eroding for quite some time.

I just drove that road last Saterday. My brother's jeep broke down just outside of Jackson. Rescue mission !😎🤘

That's an impressive slip-out. Looks as though that whole bend in will need replacement. Nice summer job for a contractor.

@debidaniels2201

Ай бұрын

The way it looks down that gulley, this wasn’t the first one. All the trees are young. Maybe a bridge might work better? Or a tunnel?

@rtqii

Ай бұрын

@@debidaniels2201 They need to drive pilings down and support the road on a reenforced concrete causeway.

@sgtbilkothe3rd

Ай бұрын

A geotechnical study to determine the cause of the embankment fill slope failure is needed first. Then a proper solution can be designed. If they replace what was built before in kind, the risk it will just happen again exists.

@jedironin380

Ай бұрын

Why is the opposite side of the road all scraped away? Were they working on it when it collapsed?

@tedpeterson1156

Ай бұрын

@@jedironin380 Yes

Whoa! The earth actually shifts & moves.

@johnsonspark171

Ай бұрын

that's not what happened. "Temperatures of 10-20 degrees above normal have caused the ice and snow to rapidly melt, filling rivers and drainage tributaries. "It's very common to have high-level snow still, and now that the upper levels are seeing the warmup, it's melting, which will continue through the summer," an NWS meteorologist stated." - Fox News Idaho. 100% caused by climate change. Ouch. Science strikes again

@rtqii

Ай бұрын

Traffic helps move things along.

@XxBlindoutxX

Ай бұрын

Cheap construction helps too and shitty surveyors

@johnsonspark171

Ай бұрын

@@XxBlindoutxX uh.....100% climate change. But keep blaming everything else

@dragonridley

Ай бұрын

@@johnsonspark171 Climate change is real but it is not behind everything.

This is going to be really bad for the Jackson economy. Jackson is one of the least affordable communities in the country. It's completely unaffordable for people in service sector jobs so many of them live in Idaho.

@jedironin380

Ай бұрын

I know many of the workers lived south of Jackson in Alpine, so they aren't affected at least. This is going to be a serious problem to repair. 😢

@brj_han

Ай бұрын

The main routes in and out of town weren't affected. I always thought WY-22 was more of a tourist entrance, roads too steep for real commercial traffic. Now if US-26 or US-189 went down, *that* would be a problem...

@MikeC2K10

Ай бұрын

Not along WY22 in Teton county, they don't. Take a look at home prices on the west side of the Tetons. Not working class.

@caataylor

Ай бұрын

Make the Cheney fam pay for it out of their ill-gotten petty cash!

@rustyshackle917

Ай бұрын

Boohoo the ultra wealthy won't have their commuting wage slaves from Idaho to wipe their rear ends. What a tragedy. 😢

Looks like there is a bridge in that roads near future

Usually when you see a large slippage like this water is involved. The soils look dry in this case, so why did such a large area move? The work on the opposite side of the roadway is interesting, what were they doing, was it prior to the slide?

@Jpaydirt

Ай бұрын

did you notice that the asphalt had been cut straight at a previous time? I think there was movement before and that section had to be replaced

@aardque

Ай бұрын

Soil only ever moves from water, or ice. That the water accumulated at that particular spot suggests poor runoff management, or perhaps snow issues. I am guessing the grading on the inside of the turn is the beginning of the bypass.

@SPJPapasan

Ай бұрын

@@Jpaydirt The noticing of beginning of the failure started Thursday. A paving crew temporarily patched the road, and traffic began moving again that night (Thursday). Road was closed Friday due to a mudslide further down the road (~2 miles). The collapse was found on Saturday morning.

@TheMattroloff

Ай бұрын

I agree that the work on the opposite side is interesting. The vibration from the the obvious dozer tracks would shake that fill like an earthquake.

@lindaarchinal9008

Ай бұрын

Looks like a cave there.

Lowest Bidder always wins the contract🤣😜😝

@racebanning6390

Ай бұрын

BEACH SAND IS CHEEP👍👍LETS GO BRANDON

@pamelawoodall5891

Ай бұрын

Poor engineering.

@user-lp1jw9bo5y

Ай бұрын

Scrubbing the most backs always gets the contract

@ralphalvarado4770

Ай бұрын

@@racebanning6390 - Teton Pass was built in 1913.

@iMatti00

Ай бұрын

@@racebanning6390- Wow. You obviously are lacking “capacity”, I will phrase it that way to be polite. Biden has nothing to do with us. Not now and not in the past. Even though I can tell you’re lacking capacity, surely you knew that. If you didn’t know that, my guess is you won’t admit it. This has nothing to do with him either way. Talk about the rangement. Focus on people and criticize them when it’s deserved, but dear god this is just… I’ll leave it there.

Have driven over that pass many times ....thx for the update

That will buff out

@charleshotchkiss1813

Ай бұрын

But they'll need a BIG buffer!

@brucebr1037

Ай бұрын

Bluff out.

@myfourbits6901

Ай бұрын

I love it! ROFL!!!

Yet the streets of Rome remain. 🤔

@Steve.._.

Ай бұрын

Streets of roam ain't built in the dumbest of areas

@J-tt1lu

Ай бұрын

@@Steve.._.lol This Made my day btw

@jvyoung1258

Ай бұрын

????? And your point is? Not a lot of choices through these mountain passes

@J-tt1lu

Ай бұрын

@@jvyoung1258 true

@vapormissile

Ай бұрын

​@@Steve.._."F*ckin A, Bubba." -Parmenides, 2415BC

Mother nature got tired of people taking that route.

Absolutely phenomenal footage!! What an incredible geographic event to behold...fr

@toddburgess6792

Ай бұрын

A Man-built roadbed giving way because of poor construction is no feat of geographic wonder to behold, it is just sad.

@righteousbyfaithinChrist

Ай бұрын

Really??? You work for Utah government?

@vikakova3

Ай бұрын

The views from the pass are gorgeous for sure.

Where did the displaced material go? I don't see anything "downstream" other than untouched trees.

Casey Jones, please comment. (The geo engineer, not the train driver.)

I drove over that section a week ago, coming back from Yellowstone.

@Shadowband

Ай бұрын

Not possible, since it was *already* closed.😢

@allenra530

Ай бұрын

@@Shadowband It was on Thursday night before the failure, at about 11 PM. I bypassed the Madison-West Yellowstone road because the traffic was all backed up past Madison Junction. The drive to Jackson was not congested, although I had forgotten that most of it was limited to 45 mph because it was in the two National Parks.

@Shadowband

Ай бұрын

@@allenra530 WDOT workers were on scene Thursday night clearing the mudslide that occurred at mile 15 when they discovered the cracks and obvious slippage at mile 12. They closed the road at that time and that's why nobody was involved in the collapse 6 hours later at 5am Friday morning. So I am surprised you sped through not one, but two hazard zones while crews were working. Yup, that's believable.

@allenra530

Ай бұрын

@@Shadowband I don't keep close track of when I go up to Yellowstone. Since I am retired, which day it is has little significance to me. It is probable that I was up there either one or two days prior to the problems occurring. I know that the thunderstorms didn't start until the day after I got back to Idaho Falls.

@Shadowband

Ай бұрын

@@allenra530 Well you shouldn't make oddly specific posts in that case. Hmmmm?

Long term, yeah! I have to agree! Say completely!

Nice scenic view

What was the geologist report, that was made before this road went in.?

Where's the pylons, large rocks, gravel to stabilize?

@stevetrivago

Ай бұрын

Lol.. yeah.. ok 👌🏼

@seattleshare905

Ай бұрын

​@@stevetrivago If I call you a jerk for that emoji usage with that totally ambiguous statement starting with a "lol" evolving in to ".. yeah.. ok 👌" you can easily turn it and say you agreed with me, or if I called you a jerk for attacking my comment in an ambiguous way you could say you were just playing; or if you're particularly nasty you can try to undermine me in an internet pissing-war claiming you know more than the size of your nose, etc... I don't know you, but you seem to know me enough to target my comment which was focused on asking about stabilizing of the fill for the road way. I can tell you are acting with intent to attack, one way or another simply by using ambiguous words and picking on my comment - I assume you're a jerk and wanting to get your "e-ping on" ... so let me elucidate on my previous comment 👇 Is this pass not subjected to harsh snowy winters with tons of ground seepage due to melting snow in spring / summer time? Is this part of the Highway built specifically with fill over a narrow vale / col / defile? I would think such an area prone to a potential slide should probably have extra support given potential for erosion and harsh conditions. I'm sure I've taken this road on one of my adventures through this part of the country; and would like to again someday - hoping they make sure it cannot suffer a catastrophic failure like this again.

Looks like it’s been failing for a while. The re-pave on the site and all the fresh dirt work on the other side of the road.

@moellerborn

Ай бұрын

Maybe this fresh dirt work with heavy equipment caused this collapse? Looks like it was done just recently.

@Quadrenaro

Ай бұрын

​@@moellerbornThere has been flooding all last week. The tracks there were part of an effort to mitigate the collapse.

@jimw1615

Ай бұрын

The grading work on the inside of the curve was the beginning of a diversion road they were planning to build after seeing the initial signs of this fill failure which showed up in significant cracking of the asphalt more than a week ago. And that cracking occurred right along the line of remaining roadway asphalt.

This is a kick in the butt for visitors and locals!!!

Built on volcanic ash? What did the soil engineer's analysis say about this before it was built?

@marlinweekley51

Ай бұрын

The soil analysis said “NO!” , the dollar bills said “YES”. 🤪

@onthewater4189

Ай бұрын

No one did soil analysis when the road was built in 1910.

@jayprice4543

Ай бұрын

@@onthewater4189 Per WDOT: The road was completed in 1969. There was a previous route--now a bike path from the top to the bottom near Wilson, WY.

Hoback junction is gonna get much more traffic for a while.

@user-ht4pp6ly1v

Ай бұрын

My buddy and I got attacked by a very large bull moose at Hoback jct in the 80s in that same area.😂

I used to drive that pass every day to get to work, because Jackson is ridiculously expensive. That was 8+ years ago. There are a few slightly unstable parts of that road, I'm still trying to figure out which one it was. I guess their touron season will be a little lean this year.

@grantparnes

Ай бұрын

From the drone footage, it looks like the place in the road where there was always a bump and they kept fixing the bump making the bump a smaller bump. Could be wrong, but sure looks like it. If I am right, then the slide actually happened on the UPHILL side of the pass. Again, just my quick opinion from seeing it once.

@Contrarian-ol2bc

Ай бұрын

@@grantparnes Ah, so one on the lower part towards Idaho, I know exactly where that is. Its pretty close to that parking lot at the base. The other worst one is much higher up and would be a lot harder to fix as its basically on a rock face.

@grantparnes

Ай бұрын

@@Contrarian-ol2bc I just bought a jeep to go from victor to jackson regularly, but I think I am going to need something with a giant rotating blade on top to cross the mountain for a while.

@SPJPapasan

Ай бұрын

Maybe. Tourist will have to use the other route via Palisades and Hoback Junction.

@jedironin380

Ай бұрын

​@@SPJPapasan Tourists... And the people who work in Jackson and Yellowstone.

WOW!

If Wyoming threw full effort into repairing this road, it won't be completed before 2026. There are plenty of workers for businesses in Jackson/Jackson Hole, WY who live in Teton County, ID (what hourly worker can afford to live in Jackson Hole?) who commuted the 24 - 35 miles (one-way distance) between the communities in Idaho and Jackson. Until Wyoming Highway 22 (Teton Pass Road) is repaired, these workers will now have an additional 62 miles (total: about 86 miles one-way; at least a 1.75 hours drive) added to their commute.

If they angled it right, they could simply build a ramp... call Red Bull.

@Deadlyhatchet

Ай бұрын

That’s crazy lol

@vapormissile

Ай бұрын

Nitro Circus Greyhound bus

@nohand322

Ай бұрын

Looks like the whole curve is made out of sand.

@frankblangeard8865

Ай бұрын

@@nohand322 Volcanic ash with no structural integrity. A soil engineering analysis should have foreseen this before it was built.

OMG!!!

How do you fix that? Do you make an alternative route? This would make a terrific time lapse documentary for how it is resolved.

@Quadrenaro

Ай бұрын

That's the billion dollar question. There have been semi-serious proposals in the past to build a ten mile tunnel. I doubt we will do that. We can fill it in but that's a ticking time bomb for the next major flooding event. The alternate route is twice the distance at 80 something miles one way. Days like this make me glad I didn't become an engineer, because somebody won't be sleeping for the next few days while they look at their few options. Bridges BTW also suck. Last one we built over the pass collapsed before it opened for the same reason. Honestly, the more you look at it, the more viable the tunnel option sounds.

looks like all sandy fill no natural undisturbed material. How old was the Pass, when was it built?

@buzz5969

Ай бұрын

It was 19 nanana 19

@jayprice4543

Ай бұрын

Per WYDOT, 1969. The road before was a totally different route and it was terrifying. Now a bike path down to Wilson.

A mountain ate my road

Gorgeous countryside! What a view, what a beautiful place.

Wow....it's a loooooong way around from Jackson, WY to Driggs, ID.

@muddymo7641

Ай бұрын

How far is it? And yes I'm being serious. Thx in advance

Is that rte 26 or 89/191?

@SPJPapasan

Ай бұрын

I believe it is Route 22 that goes into Wilson (WY) over the Teton Pass.

@brj_han

Ай бұрын

No, not the main roads into town. This was a two-lane road that came in from Idaho over Teton Pass, ID-33/WY-22...

That sucks 😮

@Quadrenaro

Ай бұрын

In the words of my friends and neighbors, "Yes."

Dang have good memories on that road 😢😅

@arthurmchugh5184

Ай бұрын

Road head ¿??😂😂😂😂

Beautiful trees

So where did all the material go that slid away?

Why was that section of road repaired before? One can see the different color of asphalt where new asphalt is roughly the slide starts. Just wondering.

Wow..who built that road? Where’s the rock?

Why does it look like there is a whole lot of dirt missing at bottom , for what should have been holding this up ?

Water drainage ? May install a Bailey Bridge for Immediate use until the road fixed.

How, oh how, to repair such damage. Any ideas?

@danr1920

Ай бұрын

Lots of money and time. No quick and cheap fix.

@Quadrenaro

Ай бұрын

Honesly, all the options suck. They range from expensive, to temporary, to implausible.

For 30 years they’ve been talking about a tunnel. Something to think about while taking the two hour detour through the canyon.

Lucky we have such a competant and qualified transportation secretary.

@melindahall5062

Ай бұрын

You are ridiculous.

Were there any cars caught in the landslide or was there some warning?

@Quadrenaro

Ай бұрын

Nope, Wyoming Department of Transportation shut down the pass when cracks started. We had about a weeks headsup that the pass was in a precarious state.

@sixteezchild

Ай бұрын

@@Quadrenaro At least there was a heads up. Still by the looks of it, that was very destructive and very scary. Prayers for all that have to find alternate routes to do their daily thing and for all working on fixing this thing back up better than before! Thank you for your reply!

@Quadrenaro

Ай бұрын

@@sixteezchild Yeah. ALot of people commute from Victor, Idaho to Jackson via the pass. It's a 40 mile drive. Now the next viable route is 160miles round trip. Actually, now that I type that out, I'm kinda bummed, because I have to make the trip in like a week.

Can somebody explain why there is so little fresh dirt at the base? ETA really appreciate the answers. Thank you.

@ReginaRedding

Ай бұрын

Maybe because it was pretty much a straight drop on the other side of the guardrail 😱

@RuaWaterwalker

Ай бұрын

Good observation

@Omegaoutlaw84

Ай бұрын

The part with the trees is the top soil that used to be by the road it looks like it just slide back but the top soil stayed together because of the tree roots.

@andrewbartling8745

Ай бұрын

Look at 1:49 minute mark. Everything slid down to the bottom of the basin. That’s why you only see a minimum amount of fresh soil. And go back to 0:30 minute mark and you can see the guardrail seemingly intact at the base of the slide.

@charlesward8196

Ай бұрын

That is a classic “slump” failure, with a steep “headwall” scarp” and the upper surface dropping almost straight down and rotating “backwards” (as you can see from the angle of the trees on the slump block) as the “toe” of the slide moves downslope. It looks like all of the material involved was part of a “fill” constructed with material that was “cut” from both adjacent ends of the curve. This is commonly seen in high clay soils, which require a lower grade on the slope of fill material. My geology class took a field trip to a slide in progress, (very slow progress) in the East Bay foothills south of San Francisco. A subdivision had been built on serpentinite soils which turn very greasy when saturated. It is hard to tell from the video, but the stream in the canyon below the slump may have undercut the slope and destabilized it. Also, since it is “spring” in the mountains, recent snowmelt may have saturated the soils, and the high pore pressure in the soils may have triggered the event. “Geology” and Mother Nature always have the last word in highway engineering projects.

Mother nature always wins.

Damnit Carl! Told you to pack that back fill.

Where did the big pile on the right come from?

@aardque

Ай бұрын

Guessing they peeled it off before knocking more down. I am wondering about the grading on the inside of the turn, is that the beginning of the bypass?

@Quadrenaro

Ай бұрын

​@@aardqueI think that was part of the efforts earlier in the week to prevent a washout. It's been raining heavily here for the last week.

how on earth do you fix that?

@mm-ln9sw

Ай бұрын

i’m wondering the same thing! definitely going to be a very expensive job, and i can only imagine how long it will take to get it done

@brj_han

Ай бұрын

it's probably going to be like the North Entrance to Yellowstone. You're probably going to have to survey a different route...

I thought that part was man-made anyways. So mother nature had nothing to do with that.😊

That makes sense! They didn’t expect such a catastrophic failure. Lots of fines in the base. Glad nobody got injured.

we used to skateboard that road 7 miles down at night back in the day before the traffic got to bad

I'm Think an Engineer is going back to the drawing Board

Nothing last Forever

@averteddisasterbarely2339

Ай бұрын

Well , I had a neighbor that was rock stupid for 35 years ! He passed away about a year ago so your right !

@johnsonspark171

Ай бұрын

especially not in red state shit holes

@Quadrenaro

Ай бұрын

​@@johnsonspark171 This isn't a political issue but if you insist... This pass is part of the bluest county between the Mississippi and the west coast. And the kicker was it was built when Wyoming was a blue state. It's no secret the pass was incredibly flawed. The count is also one of the wealthiest in the central United States.

That road looks very suspect to me… looks like they brought in lots of soft fill to build that section.

@PerfDayToday

Ай бұрын

From a Pac NW Pov, it looks much like volcanic ash, but this range is not that.

I didn’t notice any stabilization fabric in the soil, maybe they didn’t think they would need it.

Looks like divert the road to other side or bridge the valley on the other side.

That’s a new mountain bridge!

Is that where at least one semi went over the edge? Edit: Not the place I was thinking of.

Just drove that on Thursday!

Looks like they could put r o ad on the side that did not fall in at.least tp.

Long-term closure expected -- YA THINK?

It's a long ways around!

U gonna need a bigger bridge

It looks as if man's built up road bed, consisting of fill dirt, has unfilled its self.

new bridge?

That looks bad

What man builds

THAT'S NOT GOOD. 😮.. YIKES 😬...

Looks like this is on the Victor side of the pass.

@jayprice4543

Ай бұрын

no Wyoming side, below Glory Mt slide.

Looks like they just filled up a holler with dirt and put the road on top of it

In Pennsylvania, we call those potholes.

You could still cross it on a KLR650

Wait.....where did the Land go that slide? And looking at the Whole thing the Road was already constructed to fail at some point. And, seems some Work was already being done. What caused the slide????

So sad

I tried to settle in Aspen in 1969. Yes things were a lot cheaper then but The ratio of income to expenses is always the same. The numbers change but the PAY is low and the price is high. Jackson Hole will never change. Even the little bus routes aren’t enough “perks”! And I betcha the workers are already “mexican”! The situation is exactly what it was 54 years ago!

Gonna need a new road.

Highway 1 in CA has been closed 55 times in various places since it was completed in 1937. Many at Big Sur. People love the beautiful views so they put up with it. That's where tourism comes in. It pays for itself.

Going to have to replace the road with a bridge, perhaps.

that's my drive 8 times a year Aww, bummer but the earth is always shifting...

@seed.meditation

Ай бұрын

so sorry for that.

Where's the Confounded Bridge?

@bullbutter9699

Ай бұрын

I'm just trying to find the bridge Has anybody seen the bridge? Please (Have you seen the bridge?) I ain't seen the bridge

@DerGlaetze

Ай бұрын

@@bullbutter9699It’s at the Crunge Pass.

@waynetyson3822

Ай бұрын

It probably estimated at a million back when the road was first built (?), but the embankment came in at "999,999.

why is long term closure expected when you can reroute the traffic to the left side with a temporary roadway ?

This whole section of this road looks like it was built up by fill dirt, with, steep sides.

I see no rock of any size or grade in the road's substrate.

At least my town won’t get flooded again because of a catastrophic failure

This looks like it has had problems prior to this slippage. You can see a square of asphalt was replace exactly where this happened...strange the work on the inside bend and the pile of asphalt on the road?🤔

Well its a bridge now. 😮

The geologists and highway engineers will have to address this. It looks like the only answer is a bridge.

Fixing that shouldn't take too long, but it won't be cheap. I think a crap ton of fill needs to be placed and compacted and then an interlocking concrete block wall put in place to cap the earth works. But, given that a road like this is not heavily used it might be difficult to cough up the money needed to fix it. Who ever the geotechnical engineer was when they built this road didn't properly identify the risks, that's assuming they actually used a geotechnical engineer to survey the site.

@JamesDavidWalley

Ай бұрын

That road is VERY heavily used. It's the main entrance to Grand Teton for tourists from the Pacific Northwest states, and apparently a lot of people employed live in Idaho and commute over it on a daily basis.

@timtibbitts1017

Ай бұрын

They will pay for reconstruction by taxing the minimum-wage service workers, to subsidize the lifestyles of the rich. Wyoming is a deep-red Republican state. This is what happens when you don’t respect science. Build a highway on >100 foot depth of compacted dirt, with profoundly inadequate management of water movement? Genius.

Looks like some fresh dozer tracks on the inside curve. Weakened the berm and sent it down. That part of the road is all fill and probably poor workmanship.

Looks like poor road base to me No surprise there

Mother is mad

@shayglory2213

Ай бұрын

And Babylon is definitely Falling! Won't be long...

Even man made falls apart.

INSUFFICIENT COMPACTION AND BASE MATERIALS DURING ROAD CONSTRUCTION. BEACH SAND!

@dhrracer

Ай бұрын

Why was there no trees or base material in that section?

Myrna were you on that road a few days ago????