When KD won he didn't have to lead. Jus join the ship thats already sailing. Just hop in and Hoop and display his incredible skillset. GOAT STATUS is about leadership, intangibles, will, ALONG WITH the SKILLS n TALENT.

@adrianma2758

4 ай бұрын

Well said

@Ontiming2023

4 ай бұрын

He’s right skills wise I say kyire is the most skilled point guard ever an I would put him over curry had curry not had 4 rings an lead his team to a 72-9 record kyire has never done that

@donttouchmebitc

4 ай бұрын

@@Ontiming2023 curry is 2x as impactful

@GrayFebruary

4 ай бұрын

He was Finals MVP TWICE. He definitely led the Warriors for those 2 years. They begged for Durant for a reason.

@gild651

4 ай бұрын

@@GrayFebruaryhe was their best player, not their leader. Everyone knows that Steph was/is the guy for the Warriors.

Warriors: won before KD joined KD: Didn't win before joining GS Warriors: Won with KD KD: Won with the Warriors Warriors: Won after KD left KD: Hasn't won since leaving GS It is what it is 🤷🏼‍♂️🤷🏾

@tamasb8926

4 ай бұрын

Ouu that's them fax 🙃

@dubdeuce1517

4 ай бұрын

Hasn't even sniffed a Finals since then.

@bot3.055

4 ай бұрын

Hush

@Dylan-mm9ov

4 ай бұрын

So if you’re on a good team your championship doesn’t count. So no one’s championship counts

@jasongordan

4 ай бұрын

whats steph doing today ? plus KD won back to back finals mvps

He finally said something that makes sense.

@billysummers1616

4 ай бұрын

I thought he was gonna attack me thru my phone

@cashmoney6935

4 ай бұрын

He usually does. He's a great basketball mind. Just has a caveman temper

@user-te8qh1gf3j

4 ай бұрын

@@billysummers1616 *ded*

@casualgamer4898

4 ай бұрын

@@cashmoney6935exactly

@RentFreeInsideYourDamnHead

4 ай бұрын

​@@billysummers1616💀

That’s what Lebron did after he left Miami. That’s what Steph was doing before and after KD left. Now KD has that opportunity.

@fullmetal1766

4 ай бұрын

Kyrie led that team in 4th quarter scoring he closed the games

@halohybrid5496

4 ай бұрын

@@fullmetal1766 Who led the Series in every statistical category in that 2016 run?

@keymikescott2308

3 ай бұрын

Bron didnt do that lol he had kyrie and love stop it

@DamnnnSon1

Ай бұрын

​@@fullmetal1766 Damn straight son..without Kyrie hitting those late shots LeBron doesn't win that championship.

@Laronsmith6949

Ай бұрын

@@halohybrid5496 that kills any thing anybody can ever say about who led that team for real! But lebron haters Gon have a different reason every time why Kyrie was the reason

Dray be coming out with some of the better takes I heard in a while

@tyquanperry6153

Ай бұрын

Nah disagree with you he been speaking facts people just choose to pay attention to other things

"There's no championship that's not real," FACTS 💯💯💯

Well said

@dondahighhh12

4 ай бұрын

how dray glaze lebron more than his own Finals MVP 💀

@yiyuankhoo9661

4 ай бұрын

​@@dondahighhh12 now he love lebron more steph after did all these shit things like punching people

@erniejohnson677

4 ай бұрын

Well said for a mentally disabled person

Because he is a bus rider and not a driver like steph👌

@tyrellleach1846

Ай бұрын

Thanks for telling us again Chuck

@jjcometa9333

27 күн бұрын

He also blew that 3-1 lead. They could've been the one who beat the 73-9 warriors then maybe beat cavs also. THAT would've put KD in some serious talks fr. Cause from that point on, they could've had a dynasty on their hands. 2017 and 2018, cavs were gradually getting weaker. Warriors wouldn't have been so dominant without KD in it. Klay or steph would've been injured much earlier than 2019 for klay and 2020 for steph. That would put KD and the Thunder in much better position to win multiple rings. But instead we got this😂😂

@Dom2.0

24 күн бұрын

Bus drivers have 1 finals MVP? Lmaoooooo

@tottymc

2 күн бұрын

@@Dom2.0should have been 2 tbf, and he led his team twice to rings so yeah, he a driver

@Dom2.0

2 күн бұрын

@@tottymc super teams.

Yes it's because he went to the warriors, had he never gone there he probably wouldn't have a championship

@BonesDMS4life

4 ай бұрын

He wouldn’t … ain’t no probably he ain’t got close since

@jasongordan

4 ай бұрын

back to back finals mvps

@BonesDMS4life

4 ай бұрын

@@jasongordan when was the last time kd was in the finals ? Cuz last time i checked he hasn’t been since the warriors

@jasongordan

4 ай бұрын

@@BonesDMS4life you mean when he won BACK TO BACK FINALS MVPS OVER STEPH AVERAGED MORE POINTS THAN STEPH ALL 3 YEARS HE WAS ON THE WARRIORS !!!!! KD WAS OPTION 1 ON THE WARRIORS JUST GO CHECK GOOGLE

@jasongordan

4 ай бұрын

@@BonesDMS4life where steph at on all time scoring list???????

Truth is Goats dont announce whether they are goats or not they just are

@Truth5eeker33

4 ай бұрын

Mmmmm say less

@deeson27

4 ай бұрын

Everyone we consider the goat has actually said they want to be the best ever.

@JamesEarlBonez

4 ай бұрын

LBJ definitely has announced it stop it

@69metersbelow25

4 ай бұрын

@@deeson27 Ok you know how many players say that? And are still trash

@ericmendenhall2867

3 ай бұрын

​@@JamesEarlBonezand hes not the GOAT. Got booed at the superbowl and in his arrogance put an invisible crown on his head.

Coaches love Draymond because he's hardcore wise on court

@8mathdaddy

4 ай бұрын

Wacking people is not wise.

@dylanbenjaminwalter2896

4 ай бұрын

@@8mathdaddy nah but he's making jimse relevant

Just because you're one of the greatest scores ever doesn't mean you're the goat or even close to it. You've got a beat the best to be the best. Not lose to them and then go join their team.

@BonesDMS4life

4 ай бұрын

Exactly !! U gotta lead your team to a chip being the bus driver straight up

@jasongordan

4 ай бұрын

​@@BonesDMS4lifehe won back to back finals mvps

@chrisbell8585

4 ай бұрын

Lol curry ain't ever beat a good team

@BonesDMS4life

4 ай бұрын

@@chrisbell8585 when was the last time kd was in the finals? my guy answer the question cuz all this extra stuff u saying ain’t even the point

@deshawndodd7883

4 ай бұрын

​@@jasongordanCAUSE THEY KEPT DOUBLE TEAMING STEPH

Steph just a whole different beast hands down. KD could never fill Steph shoes.

Well said Draymond. If Kd wants his name brought up in the goat conversation he needs to win another ring!!

Thank you. And some will say this is hate because of who’s saying it but I think just about any analyst, current, or former player would say the same shit.

KD don’t got that killer instinct. Someone with his size and talent should be averaging 30+ with multiple MVPs.

@trinidad2363

Ай бұрын

What u know how dum u sound gsw wasn’t winning them other without KD lmao who had ball in they hand last not curry lmao please 2016 show u were curry at got walk down😅

He will never be in the GOAT conversation regardless of how the rest of his career looks but guarantee he isn't winning anything without steph

@jasongordan

4 ай бұрын

he got a better career than steph

@rakuzan9148

4 ай бұрын

@@jasongordanstop it

@gioelecarparelli6193

4 ай бұрын

​​@@rakuzan9148 Steph has got more rings but less fmvps. KD the opposite. I would like more having 2 out of 2 instead of 1 out of 4. It means most of the time Curry won he wasn't the best player. It's simple

@spencerjsmith

4 ай бұрын

@@gioelecarparelli6193lol delusion

@Basketnbanews

4 ай бұрын

@@jasongordan😂😂😂😂 how

Its crazy kd tried putting himself in the convo. Like bro if you should be in the convo you wont have to be the one to bring it up.

Thank you draymond for clearing this up so all the bandwagons or and casual haters could understand there’s differences

He's one personality i can live without. I have zero respect or need for Draymond on any level outside of being an nba player

I feel like you could put kd on just about any team in the league rn and they are automatically a contender. There's only a handful of guys you could say that about

@justyouraverage2dsimps278

4 ай бұрын

So literally any other superstar?

Really sucks for KD with his injuries. He was on track to getting into top 10 before those injuries.

Adding a top 2 player to a 73-9 team was a pretty weak move on all sides

without you admitting that you hated him off the team your views are mute about KD🤷🏾‍♂️

Is it me or does it seem like Alex Caruso hesitated on pulling a Ginobli block on KD on that shot?

He need to go back to the Warriors and win another ring stop caring about what people say

@visionarylifeministries4055

3 ай бұрын

That Part!

Thank you! Thank you and on mostly shorter defenders

Tbh the warriors could have won a chip even without the kd trade and kept harrison barnes. Dame joining the bucks, lebron joining the heat, dwight first stint joining the lakers. They all joined a playoff team that had finals success with a prime MVP that lead them. Among these only lebron at least won in different teams to at least be in the goat debate but the players who switched to an already good team with an mvp dimishes value and contribution. Dirk, giannis, and jokic are not even in the goat debate (yet maybe soon), and they stayed with their teams and bus drove to the chip.

@adu11

4 ай бұрын

LeBron and Dwight are in no way similar to KD or Dame by your own logic. Wade WAS NOT in his prime neither was Kobe. They were both still very good, but unlike Steph and Giannis, neither was still capable of leading a team as Batman.

@dubdeuce1517

4 ай бұрын

Cavs would've got at least one more without KD in GSW.

@jordantaylor8292

4 ай бұрын

Wasn’t a trade they signed kd

@adu11

4 ай бұрын

@@dubdeuce1517 they didn't need to add one of the top 3 players in the league at that time to get passed the cavs. That's a black eye on the legacies of both those former top 3 players. Just a bigger black eye on the player who hasn't won outside that partnership than on the one who has.

@dubdeuce1517

4 ай бұрын

@@adu11 maybe not, but the only reason the Warriors won in 2015 was no Kyrie. Our next highest scorer for that series was Timofey Mozgov. They probably could've won again without KD, but adding him was overkill imo.

Is this a recent video? If so, how come that guy is still allowed to speak publicly after all the shit he's done?

and ironically he might be there if he stayed and worked through al this criticism...people would have respected that

Unless KD drives your own franchise to the top of the World like MJ, Cavs LeBron, Kobe 2010, Curry 2022 or Kawhi 2019, he will never have his name mentioned in that conversation. Plus it's funny how this generation demands considerations that are normally supposed to come from the others.

‘I was shit like that, and Steph was still able to carry us to a championship, that’s greatness’

To be THE GOAT, you have to be THE GUY

KD is ONE of the GREATEST we've ever seen PERIOD! He's not in the GOAT convo but he's in the top 50 of ever having played

No one playing today is the goat. Full stop

@Ivorianking33

Ай бұрын

No one playing back then was the goat either, Jordan was pushed because of Nike so they made him invincible get out of here, Jordan was used to push Nike and they did a great job

Dre acting like they didnt go beg kd to come ..and they won 2 chips because of him

SAYS THE GUY WHO CALLED KD CRYING😥📞 📲 AFTER KYRIE & LEBRON EMBARRASSED THEM BOYS!

His scoring was effortless, but it wasn’t stephortless.

I agree with Draymond, Kd has too win without Steph too be in the Goat conversation

Real talk Green

KD: The greatest warriors scorer SC: Greatest shooter and franchise player of the warriors. Draymond: The greatest power forward ever and the goat defensive player. 4 rings matters. Klay: The greatest role player ever.

Did kd speak on Draymond when he called himself a best defender? And that worst than what kd said

And Kobe, and Mike, and bird, etc. this shit ain’t musical chairs/ and or teams. No HEART.

He paused for a sec and thought of the bubble when he said “there’s no championship that’s not real” lol

@durtyjones

Ай бұрын

How do you know what he thought?

MJ just played and won. Didnt have to say a word. 💍 💍 💍 💍 💍 💍 and let people speak for him. Other guys gotta market themselves like politicians. They’ll never be goats.

Yall really eating this shit up😂😂😂😂 Draymond os biased af! He the main 1 to recruit kd. But be eating steph meat 🍖! Like mad hard. We all know its cuz he went to the warriors. Rings or no rings kd was the 2nd best player in the nba for over a decade! Narratives shouldn't be in basketball conversations. Its should be whats on paper and on the floor. And on paper and the floor kd is one of the greatest to ever even look at a basketball! End of story. Take out your narrative and look at accolades + on court performance Kd absolutely positively belongs in the G.O.A.T conversation.

@J0J0_32

3 ай бұрын

KD’s one of the greats. Insecure people hate on him. Poor guy. But when it’s all said and done, KD’s legacy (not the legacy narrative of these ungrateful insecure haters like Green) will be much brighter than this loud hot-tempered dude. Without KD, they would have 2 season-gap thus no dynasty. Now they allegedly wanna recruit Lebron then what, drop him and call him bus rider? Hypocrisy. They crawling to be in the play-in and just keep basking in their past glory cos they know right they’re such a talented but still poorly performing team. Arrogance will be their downfall.

And some ppl still make excuses that GSW lost to the Raptors bc KD was injured.

You was crying when you lost bro....then flew cross the country and KD was MVP

KD was the finals MVP when he was in Golden State tho. So he did do what Steph did

@yr_yel

Ай бұрын

Only because no one guarded him. If you see the stats you can see that he had more open shots since he played as a warrior.

Total fair point, KD gotta be the driver once

@gioelecarparelli6193

4 ай бұрын

He has already been. In every single team he has been on. Brought OKC to the Finals at 21 years old while being non experienced with a non experienced team. Curry never did that. He brought his own team and won fmvp only in 2022 when the team already had experience of 6 finals. You gotta count that even if Durant didn't win with OKC.

@OtakuTalkOD

4 ай бұрын

That's the thing though people think he was the lead when it came to the Warriors championships and keep calling Curry a sidekick

@T.M.N.

4 ай бұрын

@@OtakuTalkOD absolutely, but can't say they win those 2 championships without KD. KD was unstoppable there otherwise bron and cavs killed them before and without KD they still would've killed them

@OtakuTalkOD

4 ай бұрын

@@T.M.N. i can say that tho. Golden state was a top contender. Ive said this a million times but KD was a luxury, but he wasnt a NECESITY. Would the warriors still have won? No clue thats how this shit works, all I know is curry has won before and after him.

@Martin-vr6bl

4 ай бұрын

@@OtakuTalkODthe key issue with all of these guys arguments that without kd cavs would’ve won is that these guys all act like if kd didn’t join the warriors they would’ve just had the same roster without kd. Too many variables but the fact the warriors had max cap space it’s realistic to assume they could’ve either got another top player or a few quality role players and went back and beat the cavs team that they went a 7 game series with. In my opinion with or without kd the warriors were destined to dominate those few years due to the huge expansion in the salary cap and the very team friendly contracts the warriors had going into that offseason

Says the man who also didn’t do what Steph did on the same team, yet wants respect for his championship ring.

Katie is in goat convo of we talking about top 50

The Greatest point guard of all time said he needed help with Bron LMAO

@vincenthalili4022

4 ай бұрын

Bron had to leave Cleveland and form the Big 3 then proceeds to lose to Dirk Nowitzki 😂

@eyebeesafoolin

4 ай бұрын

He did it 2 other times though

@sanbeda82

4 ай бұрын

By manipulating the nba to get draymond to get suspended. Warriors got cheated that year.

@sanbeda82

4 ай бұрын

By manipulating the nba to get draymond to get suspended. Warriors got cheated that year.

In other words, you have be a true leader. To the point where you literally will your team to victory. MJ, Kobe, Bron, Magic, Bird have all done this. Taken matters into their own hands to get the W, countless times. Most especially in the playoffs and finals.

The greatest choker of all time

He hasn't won without a 73-9 team. He has has some good ass teams and have done absolutely nothing. He was on team with russ and harden. Another team with harden and kyrie. Another team with booker cp3 and what has he done?

I mean, look, this goat thing is a hard one to digest. I mean, you don't hear Kareem name that often you don't hear magic. You don't hear Wilt don't hear larry Bird just your preference.

Facts that last Steph ring made me respect him the upmost . Ok he’s great but that championship was career defining. That’s why he cried . The other chips were goofy celebrations

I'm more impressed with KD being built like an akward tall ass 14 year old and not getting injured that much and the fact that KD doesnt shave his head and stayed true to his balding look 🏅

I mean tbh, Warrior did have their downs. Even after the chip, they had problem with offense late in 4th quarter because some of the vets are not there no more to push with the second unit. When KD joined. They basically fixed that problem and scoring was effortless for the whole team. I be honest and say Warrior wouldn't have won those 2 without KD either. I'm not saying Warriors was bad, but they was not as consistent for a good long stretch with the second unit at the time right before KD joined. Warriors fans knows what I'm talking about. Yes, Warriors still won after KD left but that still took a dent and had a lot of years not winning. If Donkey had shut his mouth and keep playing. Steph, Klay, and KD would've gone down to win another 3-4 easily and go down as the best super backcourt team in the NBA history. Donkey is good and what not, but I just cant stand his ego a lot of the times.

@wilhelmduke

22 күн бұрын

Yeah his takes are too cooked tbh 😂

Steph in the goat convo fasho one more ring and just revolution of game it’s him Lebron and mj

Kd sucks that’s why he keeps chasing and join good teams! Curry the real one ☝️ that makes his team to win every game!

I see no lies.

I agree 100%

KD still had 2 finals mvp. He still led the warriors those 2 years and could’ve gotten a three peat and a 3rd finals mvp if he didn’t get hurt. Toronto won that year because Durant was out and came back in the series playing less than 100%

When we talking like that pressure is on the line sure hes made last minute 3s. Kds probably my favorite player but the guys that want the ball last shot are the guys Larry Bird told a guy winning shots going to me same with Jordan and kobe. KD has the best fade away no look that's his move but goat conversations are for the guys gimme the ball last shot and ill make it mentality. Thats just my take though

Warriors don’t win those rings without KD who give af who driving very few can go to an elite team and be the best player on the team and win back to back chips stop it how can you be the greatest scorer and not one of the greatest of all time

Dray is the goat of getting kick out of games

from draymond green of the draymond green show

But can KD beat 1300 KD in a 1v1 is the real question

Homeboys finally making sense

If you join the 73-9 warriors, while having a 3-1 lead on them the previous year on the okc. That’s just cheap imagine doing that. If he wants to be in the Goat conversation, he should’ve gotten it the harder way. Imagine if Mj joined bad boy pistons.

He basically just says KD's rings ain't real in a more diplomatic manner lmao

@durtyjones

Ай бұрын

He said what he said not what you said

I'm going to say this Steph Curry and Kyrie really don't get the credit they deserve i swear 🌟💯

Dray try to get KD back to the warriors

To me there's no such thing as a GOAT. Different eras different skill sets and different positions and folks played accordingly to their era.

He's too basis to speak with clarity in this topic

Neither steph or KD are in the goat conversation. Both all time greats but not top 5 all time

😂😂😂 not you’re own championship teammate dropping jewels, this why I like dray.

Spitting facts while nudging his guy into the goat convo W Mans

Draymond isn’t in the goat conversation either, how can he talk? He’s blessed that he landed on Golden State.

Never had a 60 pt game tho. And now we see randoms like DOM or KAT dropping those numbers. He's decades in, where's the 60 pt piece if it's so easy for him to score? Even KT can drop those numbers easily.

Don't BE FOOLED PEOPLE KEVIN DURANT WAS THEEEE REASON FOR 2 CHAMPIONS. WARRIORS WOULD NOT WIN IF IT WASN'T FOR KD

KD is just Reggie Miller just taller…

@FreeAgent797

4 ай бұрын

He's way better than Reggie Miller, and not because of height. Wtf is you on?!🤣🤣🤣

When Big Body Brunson leads the Knicks to the NBA title this year he will get the proper respect he deserves. He's been the definition of an MVP this year and isnt even in the MVP conversation. Last year Embiid stole that shit from Jokic who was the real MVP so that award is bs anyways

Barkley. Bus Driver. Bus Rider. Simple.

Coming from a bus rider 😂😂😂😂😂

He got you a champion I still think you guys will only have 1 maybe 2 if it wasn’t for kd

Warriors won 🏆 before KD Warriors won 🏆 after KD

He's the Goat of trying to be the Goat

Green nailed it. Durant’s got to win one as THE GUY and not on a stacked superteam. People have more respect for the ONE title that Dirk Nowitzki won in 2011 and Giannis won in 2021 over Durant’s 2 easy rings because those other players led and carried their teams while Durant coasted with the greatest regular season team ever and an already champion that almost won back to back without him.

u dudes are high KD better than steph where steph at on all time scoing list is he top 10 like KD

As a GSW fan b4 the KD era i hated the KD era. I say that to say GSW should try to get KD again.

Well, theres a reason why steph didnt win mvp up until the last time they won the chamionship. The time kd was with the warriors, the most valuable player was kd cuz well, he won the finals mvp. Twice! People keep saying that kd wouldnt have won it without the warriors. But the warriors still wouldnt have won it without kd. So biased aside, kd proved that he can carry a team.

Exactly Draymond

Facts brother, now stop fouling so much and go crazy

Draymond was the same guy calling KD to join the warriors when they lost to Cleveland

Well you’re basically saying that the GS rings aren’t meaningful by using Steph as an example

He did not have to lead. I did not have to pay taxes. But we both did it anyway. He is not in the GOAT conversation overall. But offensively he is.

Curry is the GOAT