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@pIayingwithmahwii

7 ай бұрын

Hello madjin bird your videos have been nice whenever they get recommended to me

@MajinBird

7 ай бұрын

I'm glad you've enjoyed them@@pIayingwithmahwii

@sonnywoods6846

7 ай бұрын

@@MajinBird One thing I found out is the better way to explain this to DB hater is not by using DB as an example but by using the hater favorite anime/manga to explain it. If you use the Hater's favorite anime and manga, it supposedly has planetary destroying attacks but doesn't destroy the planet, and explaining why the attack didn't do it is more effective. Not only does it call out their hypocrisy but they have a hard time downplaying the anime that they champion

When I tell people its because they can control their energy, they just don't believe despite the clear showing of them controlling their own energy. Like bruv.

@MajinBird

7 ай бұрын

i feel you man, had to make this one

@FazeRustyNuts

7 ай бұрын

Villains have no reason to worry about collateral damage.

@denisn8336

7 ай бұрын

@@FazeRustyNutsit’s for plot reasons destroying planets universes and multiverses can cause issues with the plot if it’s done ever fight. Use your head man

@FazeRustyNuts

7 ай бұрын

@denisn8336 ok? brushing it off as "plot" doesn't refute the point.

@denisn8336

7 ай бұрын

@@FazeRustyNuts not really cause characters like buu have destroyed the planet . But buu is a different character most villains don’t want to outright destroy everything. My guy you have little to no point

A couple things: In Super Hero, Piccolo refuses to teach Pan energy attacks before she learns to fly likely because she wouldn't have the ki control not to destroy stuff. This doesn't apply in early DB because the characters simply aren't strong enough. Roshi dusts the moon but he is 180 + whatever boost the Kamehameha gave his attack. Goku doesn't reach this level until the 22nd tournament when he's 15 and been training with ki for nearly 4 years. Super Saiyan Blue itself requires extreme ki control. Goku and Vegeta spend literal years (half of Super and 3 in the Chamber) improving their ki control to master it. And again in Super Hero they discuss with Whis how they need to focus their ki more precisely like Jiren. They flare the ki at a specific time, for a specific purpose and not otherwise. So you see them constantly having to relearn this when they reach a new level.

@lucidstudious750

7 ай бұрын

That was the whole premise of mastered ssb in the manga. That was also the premise of that dimension whis threw goku/vegeta in the animw

@RandomComicEnjoyer

7 ай бұрын

goku reaches that level in the king piccolo saga, but i get what you mean.

@Purpose_Porpoise

7 ай бұрын

What about Goten? He was a super saiyan and used ki attacks but couldn't fly. Maybe he already had proper ki control since he learned how to fly so fast...?

@specialnewb9821

7 ай бұрын

@Purpose_Porpoise remember how he put a big hole in the stadium at the tournament? His ki control was not great! Also, being 7 is a pretty huge difference from 4, so he might have figured it out on his own by then.

@Purpose_Porpoise

7 ай бұрын

@@specialnewb9821 Right, I forgot about the stadium incident.

this also explains why when they transform into a flashy new form for the first time it can damage a lot of the surrounding area, but every other time they transform after that its a lot more casual and doesnt damage surroundings

@hammyplays3160

7 ай бұрын

Damn, makes sense now that I think about it. That explains why the ground was quaking and thunder struck when Goku first became super saiyan, but everytime after that not even a shockwave or anything else occurs

@vmgomez87

6 ай бұрын

Makes for boring fights and weak looking transformations.

if they never had ki contorl man it would be insane

@MajinBird

7 ай бұрын

exactly

@Avg_nightwalker

6 ай бұрын

That is basically Saitama people think his stronger than Goku is because of that impressive feat but the truth is Goku always had ki control

When Trunks and Goku finished sparring, Goku said Trunks wasn't trying his hardest. The strikes should still be at least as strong as those that cut Freeza, just being clear.

Essentially: thier attacks are cancelled out negating thier destruction or they can easily control it.

@rossjones8656

7 ай бұрын

Why not both.

@randomguy6415

7 ай бұрын

@@rossjones8656 because it is easier to say like that lol. But yeah it can also be both.

@rossjones8656

7 ай бұрын

@@randomguy6415 fair enough.

so the whole reason on why the uni 7 almost destoyed cause goku didnt have control over ssg

@DonDon-gy3qg

7 ай бұрын

Obviously

I think in real life the idea of attack = defense also applies. If someone has a punch that can break a boulder his body must possess equal power otherwise the reverse impact will break your bones and possibly kill you.

Fans are always underestimating db and downplaying thinking we make excuses even if we show statements on ki control they're saying its an excuse

@Bruh-f5b

7 ай бұрын

They tried to downplay characters statements (like vados) with no proof at all lmao, the funny thing Is they act like this things don't happen in every others Battle shonen or Marvel and DC shows

Toriyama also said that Ki is also a buffer they use for their defenses, which was to explain why Goku if off guard loses durability without Ki compared to when he is powered up. That was what ROF was supposed to be about. Not that the characters can just tank planets at all times or ongoing. Thats another misconception people have, and what powerscalers really hate hearing.

@Eemazz

5 ай бұрын

The powerscalers just want to ignore everything in a vacuum and just make numbers bigger and bigger. Vegeta and some other characters never let their guard down. But between being trusting and niave, Goku gets by rocked Bulma or Chichi on a regular basis when he says or does something stupid. Bro can shrug off galaxy destruction level attacks and catch automatic gun fire calm as can be, but ends up with a goose egg on the back of his head when he says the wrong thing to his wife.

As a wise man once said, “never let the truth get in the way of a good story.”

this happens in most series. You guys need to learn the difference between AP (attack potency) and DC (destructive capacity). AP is how strong an attack is. Universal attacks have universal AP, and can hurt universal beings. But that same attack may only have the destructive capacity (basically means AOE/range) to only destroy a city. We see this all the time in series like Naruto or Dragon Ball, where super powerful characters who have the power level of a planetary being, and can damage planetary beings, usually only destroy small areas. It’s cery common and usually has some sort of explanation, such as Dragon Ball where Ki control exists, or Naruto, where chakra control exists.

@defaultname7685

7 ай бұрын

🤓🤓🤓🤓

@dillpickle7400

7 ай бұрын

@@defaultname7685 he’s spitting facts

@pkj2148

7 ай бұрын

All of these terms are just used to rationalise things that don't make sense. The writers cannot have the Earth being destroyed every time because it won't be convenient for the story, so they have to break the laws of Physics. It's not deeper than that.

@apexartist9618

7 ай бұрын

@@pkj2148aliens flying around faster then light, destroying matter, and breaking dimensions with punches don’t care about our worlds laws of physics

@MrMan2006

7 ай бұрын

@@pkj2148 It does make sense though. If I have the strength to blow up a city, but I condense the energy into my fist and only destroy a building in collateral damage, it simply means that the level of distribution is lower. It’s not bad writing, but it’s also fiction 😭. Vegito Blue punching Fused Zamasu yet only making a small crater is just a product of AP, in the form of ki control.

I forget if Whis’s comment/praise about Earthlings’ ki control included the one about other races basically bombing their own worlds

This has been explored before in the series. The characters with a lot of power typically have their control over said power grow proportional to their strength. What happens when a being capable of busting holes in reality and destroying hundreds if not thousands of galaxies CANNOT control their energy to the same extent people with that power normally could, what I mean is that their control is still good enough that they don’t instantly destroy everything but is noticeably worse than others. There’s two examples of this; Broly and more significantly kid Buu.

@RobertHillard-xw7xd

7 ай бұрын

Couldn't they also self detonate unintentionally there

@CalculusIsFun1

7 ай бұрын

@@RobertHillard-xw7xd that’s what I meant by they still have control but not as much as others. Kid buu for example obviously has nowhere near as much control as someone like Goku but he also won’t just be explode from a lack of control where as Broly (at least the dbs version) has moderate levels of control at first but because his command over his power doesn’t grow with his power (not yet at least) he will eventually go berserk and would eventually self detonate as you said.

@jasonblack2477

7 ай бұрын

What abt Broly in the new Movie lol

@CalculusIsFun1

7 ай бұрын

@@jasonblack2477 that’s what I said.

@crimsonking4151

6 ай бұрын

@@CalculusIsFun1 What makes you think Majin Buu has no control over his chi? He probably has a better grasp of his power than anyone of the series.

This was a great breakdown for it

Great video, very well explained, i especially like the part with trunks and goku sparring and Goku using his finger, a good point

Basically every fictional medium with a focus on big powerful fights has a degree of attack potency as a concept,if not then most powerful characters would destroy their home any time they threw a mild punch.

I dig your content Really cool video that’s actually interesting + a nice take or different approach on a common subject :)

@MajinBird

6 ай бұрын

Glad you enjoyed it!

It's all well and good. But for the love of God can we please stop calling super saiyan Goku a "planet buster". A normal human is closer to a planet buster than a planet buster is to ssj Goku in power.

@MajinBird

7 ай бұрын

Agreed, i feel like its crucial to point this out so it can be moved on

@anautisticperson5382

7 ай бұрын

Ssj Goku is a planet buster.

@TruePoseidon

7 ай бұрын

@@anautisticperson5382 Its way above that tbh. Frieza in the original Z battle showcased an attack that could be seen from the POV on a galaxy, causing an explosion that had impact on the galaxy itself.

@anautisticperson5382

7 ай бұрын

@@TruePoseidon Yeah Ik, I just wanted to piss the dude off by saying that.💀

@AlbertGabrial

7 ай бұрын

@@anautisticperson5382 😂😂

I genuinely love your videos, you can see the time attention to detail and hard work you put into each piece. I love that you made this video and it just highlighted something I easily forgot. Go to ankle are always holding back to some degree so as not to destroy the planet. It’s also bring a question in mind. Personally can you believe Goku to the feet superman? I do based upon a mirror of evidence in the manga and anime of Goku’s feats. I am genuinely curious to get your feedback or make up video I very much appreciate it. From one dragon ball fan to another happy holidays stay safe to you and your family and friends, and happy new year 🙏🏿

All this shit about key control, but Goku DrOpPeD hIs GuArD for Sorbet to hit him with a pew pew lazer.

let them explain the end of the dbs broly movie

w vid am a new subscriber by the way lovebyour vids

@MajinBird

7 ай бұрын

Thanks for subbing! I appreciate you

@tentaplayz3691

7 ай бұрын

same

Great job sir

Also @6:30 King Cold also demonstrates why Ki Control is a must because Trunks was able to cut Frieza in bits and pieces but King Cold who was stronger than Frieza could not use the Sword in the same way Trunks was able to use it. Not only was trunks able to catch the sword in his hand but he was able to nulify King Cold power with his greater power.

KI control was always a thing, people just kept trying to lowball DB characters because of it.

I'm honestly surprised this sort of video needed to be made. But, I suppose there is a kernel of Truth to the old joke of "don't mess with his Dragon Ball fans, we can't read"

@youtubestudiosucks978

7 ай бұрын

Kernel? It's way bigger. It's as big as the fanbase, no, it's the entire fanbase.

Yeah, and if the planet explodes goku or vegeta would die not because of their durability but because they can't breath in the space

@MajinBird

7 ай бұрын

YES EXACTLY!!!

@crimsonking4151

7 ай бұрын

Except when vegeta got vaporized by a planet busting attack

@matthewlardner8932

7 ай бұрын

​@@crimsonking4151final form freiza was low multi (not including his golden form)

@crimsonking4151

7 ай бұрын

@@matthewlardner8932 low mighty what?

@dillpickle7400

7 ай бұрын

@@crimsonking4151 it was never proven

Majin Bird is wild 💀

what about broly though? you can't tell me he had control over his power,and he is easily universe-level

@FZresetYT

7 ай бұрын

But he still destroyed reality

@jacobharris954

7 ай бұрын

Reread your own question, he does not have great control like Goku and vegeta

@klaudrequester8078

7 ай бұрын

@@jacobharris954 so why doesn't he blow up earth?

@dillpickle7400

7 ай бұрын

He can at least fly so he does have a form of ki control

@trevorfisic3416

7 ай бұрын

​@@klaudrequester8078 Why did Vampa survive? Broly had ki control, and probably had experienced his outbursts before paragus put the control device on him.

7:50 ok im waiting...

I've always thought that that was uncontrolled energy that was damaging the planet. But I'm aware that has some holes in it, but it's the only way Goku destroying the terrain when turning Super Saiyan, but not at all when turning Super Saiyan Blue makes sense.

The thing i find hilarious is that people only seem to attack this kind of logic with DBZ. Other media like DC and Marvel can have multiverse busters fighting at their peak, yet only damage the city around them at times. And everyone wanks them as much as possible in death battles. The double standard is annoying.

@SefirothPH

6 ай бұрын

DBZ is unique in the amount of times it tells and not shows which is why this scrutiny is applied. Also, you won't really be able to find an instance in other series or mediums where somebody fires their "Sun busting galaxy busting beam bomb" and have it do nothing. We SEE Superman pulling planets. We SEE Galactus draining entire planets of life energy in moments leaving a dried fractured husk. What do we see in Dragon Ball? Roshi blows up the moon nonsensically as a complete outlier considering he can't beat city-buster King Piccolo. Frieza destroys Namek by striking the core and causing it to self destruct. Buu does the same thing to Earth. That's . . . that's it really. There's no other feats in canon to support powerscaling nonsense.

Truest answer: Toryama was lazy to have planets destroyed.

Me: "Wait, is that a Majin bird?" MajinBird: "Hello everyone, MajinBird here." Me: "Oh. 😮"

The logic makes no sense because the force of something that can destroy a planet, even if focused and condensed, is still going to utterly demolish everything in sight at minimum. The only real explanation is that having characters just casually nuke the environment would ruin the storytelling since everyone would be too dead to tell stories with. Or 99% of all statements should be taken as hyperbole and/or power scaling is retconned each story arc so that no one goes over the standards of power to throw everything out of whack.

It's cool that you specify that the Universe N°7 is in fact a macrocosm, scaling that thing was a pain in the a$$ bc it scale the Dragon Ball cosmology higher than Complex multi level

The super spirit bomb used against Buu was on the Supreme Kai's planet, which is literally universe sized.

I always figured these guys were so strong they had a ki barrier around them at all times. Like their strength couldn't just fit in their body. That's why when they go SSJ, their aura gets so strong, you can see it as fire. So when they get hit with an attack, their body/clothes arent tanking the damage, their aura is

Ahh yes ki control! If there’s one thing Brody is known for it’s his Ki Control! Remember when in dbs Broly an enraged Broly blasted energy blasts in every direction recklessly? He was actually being very careful with his ki control.

@BlackJack32.

7 ай бұрын

bro thinks this is a sound argument

@HikiSilvr

6 ай бұрын

broly can fly so that shows he has soommee ki control also he broke reality so that shows that most of what db characters do is ki control

@crimsonking4151

6 ай бұрын

@@HikiSilvr Break reality? Everything seemed fine when they got back. Id DB death don't matter reality don matter and neither does the universe.

@scrubzero1735

6 ай бұрын

It’s literally just because the story wants their characters to be strong, but they don’t want to show everyone blowing up planets for fun. The reason they don’t is because the writers don’t want them to. Ki control is just straight Cope

@beegpappa7900

6 ай бұрын

@@scrubzero1735 You are also coping.

Hell: Waaaaaay bigger than Heaven (which tells you alot about human nature)💀💀💀

We saw what happens when someone doesnt give a fuck and doesnt control his KI. Buu is the perfect example, Cell never wanted to destroy it so he was behaving cuz of his Ego

freeza's durability is insane. he had no ki & his guts were literally hanging out when namek exploded. then trunks turns a stronger version to charcol and calls him fodder lol

Koff koff destructo disk

Outro song?

@MajinBird

6 ай бұрын

"Light Pink" by Lacco Tower.

Ki Control

5:29 "planet destroying attack leaves no discernable impact on the surroundings as it fails to create even a crater in the ground"...you say this as it shows the crater in the ground left by Frieza's supernova. that crater isnt just from frieza blowing it up. the supernova hits the ground before it shows trunks picking it up. so the crater was there before frieza blows it up out of frustration.

@MajinBird

6 ай бұрын

that was actually what happened after the detonation. That was my fault in the scene placement there. It wasn't until the detonation that the crater was there

@myrkrormr

6 ай бұрын

@@MajinBird what i mean is, if you watch the original scene, when he first throws it, the ball hits trunks and pushes him, digging into the ground. So it did make a crater. The crater is made larger after frieza blows it up

I hear that Tenkaichi 3 music

@MajinBird

7 ай бұрын

you feel me brother?

I think it just kinda happens

intro music?

It's crazy this has to be explained. I mean ppl think bleach and Naruto characters are universe lvl when the only thing the only things they have destroyed were meteors and mountains. Never once have they shown the capability of being planet lvl. At least DB actually destroyed planets and more.

Nah, sorry but these explanations do not convince me at all. The point still remains, that the destructive force behind the attacks don't fit the power levels after the Namek saga. There are even moments within the Namek saga that don't fit. See, if Nappa powers up on earth, you can feel it shaking, if Vegeta does it, it causes massive earth quakes around the whole planet. If a much stronger Vegeta does it on Namek, it seems to not have any effect. I will excuse this one, because while the series obviously failed in displaying Vegeta's power correctly, it's still understandable to not show the very same feat twice to the audience. But it gets worse from here, much worse. For me the last instance in which the area of effect truly was plausible is when Goku unleashes Kaioken against Ginyu. You can see it even effects neighboring planets. Imagine what enormous effect should the ssj transformation have. According to the power levels Goku when turning into ssj against Freeza is almost 1000 times stronger than in the fight against Ginyu. And when transforming he clearly doesn't have himself under control, let alone his power. I would expect the planet to be vaporizing from this sheer power. But it does not, it simply can't. Why? The plot. And this is literally the only excuse existing, a pretty lazy one by the way. From here on all this arguments about ki control aren't logical at all, especially when you consider that you need an attack stronger than your opponent, if you want to harm this planetary+ level threat. So everything you unleash (your punches and energy blasts) need to be strong enough to destroy planets, if not solar systems from the cyborg saga onwards. Sorry but you can't explain that away. Why does Goku's spirit bomb kill kid buu, but didn't do shit to kai's world? Why did Cell's self explosion only harm king kai's mini planet, but didn't effect enma daio's place, which is just 1 million kilometers away? And 1 million kilometers are nothing in cosmic scale. It's not even one percent of the distance between earth and sun. And finally one of the dumbest things to ever happen in DB: How do the punches of Beerus and ssj god Goku threaten to destroy the universe, when they do not even effect the earth which is right next to them? BeCaUsE tHe sHocKwAvEs gEt StRoNgER tHe FaRthEr tHeY gO. Yeah, because that's exactly how shockwaves work. DB is willing to offer explanations, but they simply are not satisfying. And DB nerds need to accept people not being satisfied by those explanations instead crying around like babys and coming around with bullshit arguments, of which I've seen a lot in the comment section.

the,earth is just built different

@MajinBird

6 ай бұрын

😂

"I have a bullet that does infinity damage." Shoots ground. "Huh, weird. Why didn't the planet blow up? It must not do infinity damage." - the Internet, not understanding physics.

@SefirothPH

6 ай бұрын

my brotha you have to reword this lol. If the damage was "infinite", the universe would end the second you pulled the trigger and the bullet interacted with any particle of mass. I know what you're trying to say but it was bungled a bit. It is a good point regardless

@mightythunderfoot

6 ай бұрын

@@SefirothPH actually, it's entirely my point. You won't cancel out the entire Earth because you removed a inch-wide hole of matter all the whole through the planet. Imagine sticking a pin through a piece of paper. Sure, that one spot has a hole through it, but the rest of the paper is fine. You can do infinity damage to a millimeter sized part of a piece of paper and all that would happen is that millimeter of paper is gone. The rest of the paper is fine. To blowup the Earth, you have to have a beam the width of the Earth, or use a ball that explodes as large as the Earth. Therefore, people who think a single bullet can blow up the Earth--or in this case, a car-sized beam, doesn't understand physics.

Ki control

It isn’t just dbz it’s fiction in general for powerful characters. Especially for marvel and dc

It still feels off that neither the heroes, nor the villains, ever slip up in the slightest with their ki-control while they are having vicious battles that demand anything they got. Or in the case of SSJ2 Vegata sacrifising himself. If they have such invincible discipline and willpower, why do they even flinch when hurt?

@MajinBird

6 ай бұрын

It’s the invincible discipline as you call it why they are so strong in the first place

One word. Control.

what about broly(the out of control saiyan)?

Ok sure but, what about when they dodge ki blasts? Do the ki blasts just disappear when they reach a certain distance intended by the user? Its a universe buster level attack, why dosen't it just destroy the planet it actually hits?

@hailthegudtwains6175

6 ай бұрын

ki control. the same thing happens when superman punches doomsday so hard with enough force to shatter the earth but the earth doesn’t shatter. or when superman fighting against his corrupted version have the power to destroy all of space-time stated in that SAME panel only for them to destroy a few buildings. same thing when 2 thors clashed eachother with the power comparable to the big bang stated in the same exact panel they clashed, only for them to destroy a few windows. It’s the same exact thing with DB. And at least DB has an explanation called Ki Control.

@daniyalabbas1332

6 ай бұрын

@@hailthegudtwains6175 no yeah I get that but at least they had a target they hit so like you said, it gets nullified but a ki blast is not like that. Its like a grenade filled with just the exact amount of explosive material as the user wanted thrown at their enemy. So since I doubt gogeta was shooting broly with a ki blast containing anything less than a universe buster level attack, I see it like throwing a nuclear bomb that, because it did not intend to hit the target, exploded with the intensity of a firecracker. So unless they have SUCH fine ki control that they can reabsorb the energy back remotely of EACH ki blast that does not hit, that they are throwing at trans light speeds to hit moving targets of similar speeds, whatever exists in the direction they shoot at is null and void. I first thought "ok, wow, such skill" but I seem to remember, correct me if I'm wrong, instances where characters who shot ki with everything they had and were visibly tired afterwards but their opponent dodged, even if by the skin of their teeth, and no Beerus coming and complaining goku is trying to steal his job or something or the supreme kai coming and promptly expiring, falling face down without a word because shin doesn't do much anyway.

This is only an attempt to make all the subsequent villains who came after Frieza look strong. Frieza is the only Villain to ever fight a planetary scale battle to completion. Goku's survival of Namek's blast was a serious fabrication. Frieza won that war!

@MajinBird

6 ай бұрын

Well if you were going by older Dragon Ball logic of it ending after the Namek Saga. Goku was indeed intended to die yes, But Frieza would have died to Goku's blast. Him later choosing to be spared was also because Goku was decided to live as well. So technically it would have been a tie at best.

Trunks specifically mentioned how Vegeta purposefully aimed the Final Flash upward as he shot it at Cell. Ki control 👍

@SefirothPH

6 ай бұрын

That would be ki control yes, but that's not ki suppression. And in the manga I'm pretty sure Trunks says that he narrowed the beam, not changed its course. Either way, that's an example of Ki changing shape or direction, not losing potency or destructive force.

Majin Bird!!!!!

Accurate, type 🅱️.

In sumarry they have the power to destroy planets and maybe even galaxies That dosent mean there gona do it , especialy whe they are is said planet

Video- long explanation using things that work in lore Toriyama- Idk.

Oh yeah and by the way. Cell isn't Solar System level. I said what I said fight me.

@EldishRinger

6 ай бұрын

Arguing against statements but go off.

@crimsonking4151

6 ай бұрын

@@EldishRinger It's never stated he just made a threat he clearly could not back up.

@SefirothPH

6 ай бұрын

@@crimsonking4151 Cell is solar system level in the same way that Frieza is planet level. In that, he could theoretically damage the sun enough to cause a catastrophic chain reaction leading to the destruction of the solar system. He could not simply blow away the sun and planets with a gargantuan kamehameha however.

@crimsonking4151

6 ай бұрын

@@SefirothPH I agree

Why the animation better in some of these Z clips? I remember watching DBZ in such an animation before, but when I tried to find the Kai version again, the only one that showed up was the Kai that had the animation from the original one?

@MajinBird

6 ай бұрын

A lot of them are game cutscenes

@bubbakjw

6 ай бұрын

@@MajinBird the hell did I watch then? It was on TV and had episodes, had the Kai voice actors and was branded as Kai. Probably imagining the animation being better, but it was the same style that these games have like you say. Time to get schizophrenia pills!

@MajinBird

6 ай бұрын

@@bubbakjw 😭

Vegeta killed someone tho 💀😭

So true

What about kioken GOD

Vegeta already destroy a planet witha finger blast

Just because someone possesses the power to blow up a planet don mean everything they do is planet level.

@bestdemon7734

7 ай бұрын

well no duh, if nappa slept i don’t think the planet would be destroyed

@luxuriouswatera9532

7 ай бұрын

Every attack they is planet level in potency, not destructive capacity

@crimsonking4151

7 ай бұрын

@@luxuriouswatera9532 that makes no sense

@Kodeuk

7 ай бұрын

@@crimsonking4151every DBZ low ballers sounds like u. Attack potency is where they can control their power and go all out without destroying anything much. Destructive capacity is when a character can perform how destructive their power level can get by destroying how large the object is.

@crimsonking4151

7 ай бұрын

@@Kodeuk all you are describing is controlling the blast radius of something. It sounds more dense the more you try yo make sense of it.

they fights don't match all that power everyone claim every fight at bare minimum should be more devastating than Saitama vs Garou.

i dont think there is enough ki control to hold the thousand morbillion of ki goku and vegeta have

@MajinBird

6 ай бұрын

Well if Beerus can slap Bulma and she's still alive I think there is lol

blud really said ssj state 3 vegeta's final flash is multi star level while pre saiyan saga 18000 power level vegeta causally blowing planets with 2 fingers💀💀

@MajinBird

7 ай бұрын

I wasn't suggesting that it was only multi-star level, but basically saying it should be massively above planet level

@SWF568

7 ай бұрын

@@MajinBird oh sorry

@SefirothPH

6 ай бұрын

If Vegeta can casually destroy a planet with 2 fingers what was that shit with the Galick Gun?

@SWF568

6 ай бұрын

@@SefirothPH 💀💀Goku watch pre saiyan saga bozo

Dbs Broly enters the chat because they fucked up with that he lost his damn mind the planet should have been destroyed easy but it wasn’t dbs Broly is a thousand times stronger than goku from the dbz battle of gods the universe is fine with no indication that it was ever in danger shit ssj Broly had random energy blast going everywhere and the earth galaxy universe is a ok db is inconsistent

This is a pretty much a no brainer, but I think what people also forget is that Goku's and Vegeta's greatest strength is also their greatest weakness. No Ki, No Power, No protection. I don't know why people want to believe that Goku is naturally powerful enough without Ki to do things, but in the dragonball universe...no. No Ki. No protection. This is why Goku can be hurt by bullets.

9:18 wouldn't*

Before I even hear your reasoning, I wanna tell you my head canon. The reason super powerful attacks don't blow up the planet is because the blast radius is stronger, but not necessarily larger than others. Like, a nuke sized explosion from a normal base saiyan, is bound to be weaker than the same sized explosion from a super saiyan god. They just have the same area of effect.

@pkj2148

7 ай бұрын

I don't see how this explains why the Earth isn't destroyed. Even a pin could theoritically destroy the Earth if it hits the Earth while carrying enough kinetic energy. The size of the attack doesn't really matter.

@MrAsh1989

6 ай бұрын

@@pkj2148 In my head canon, the blast radius of an attack from somebody with a power level of 10,000, can be the same size as the blast radius from somebody with a power level of 10,000,000. But the fire inside the explosion from the 10,000,000 warrior will be more destructive than the fire inside the blast radius of the warrior with a power level of 10,000. Clearly this is how logic works in the DB franchise.

@EldishRinger

6 ай бұрын

​@@pkj2148AP ≠ DC. I get what you're saying, but it doesn't apply here as it's clearly been shown time and time again that what you're using doesn't work in this verse. Ki control reduces the destructive capabilities of the attack, while keeping the same attack power. Arguing physics wouldn't make sense, because this is a show where characters fly and can break reality.

@MrAsh1989

6 ай бұрын

@@EldishRinger Haven't you just agreed with me? Ki control limits the range of the attack, but not the potency. That's what I'm saying, and that's what is observable in the entire series. Attacks with the same blast radius, but damaging stronger opponents. To me this is very simple.

I saw through it to the end bc I didn’t wanna believe you skipped out on the ending of Resurrection of F where only just final form Freeza destroys Earth *along with Vegeta*, who was significantly more powerful than him at that point. You say Damage = Resistence, but in that case, Vegeta didn’t survive despite being able to dish far more energy & damage than Freeza, even more so than a regular final form Freeza.

@MajinBird

6 ай бұрын

Well seeing as though you seen it through to the end you also seen my conclusion on why Vegeta died right lol

@erichunt9003

6 ай бұрын

@@MajinBird I just went through the entire video again, & no.. there wasn't any notable mention of RoF aside from you showing a clip of Goku tranforming in front of Freeza. You emphasized Damage = Resistence, meaning they can take as much as they dish out, but I wouldve figured you'd give that film's ending a little more focus considering Vegeta's death conflicts with that notion

@CosmicGoku529

6 ай бұрын

You know Vegeta died because he can't breathe in space, right? Frieza's blast didn't kill him. The removal of the Earth did.

@erichunt9003

6 ай бұрын

@@CosmicGoku529 never said it was Freeza's blast, it was Earth's explosion. if all youre saying it was was just the vacuum, it ain't like Saiyans hadnt survived in it in just a very small period of time

@SefirothPH

6 ай бұрын

@@CosmicGoku529 Vegeta suffocated in seconds? Nah lol. Goku would have IT'd to him asap if he thought Vegeta could have survived the explosion without being red-misted

Naw

This obviously makes sense. It's obvious that people are beyond what they show. Like why would they destroy things for no reason? The Z fighters aren't psychopaths and it makes sense towards the plot so they don't just keep destroying the macrocosm after every arc. Also you would talk more about ki nullification it's another thing that people forget.

Ki Control = "I ain't gotta explain sh*t." The perfect excuse for inconsistencies.

@Aes_Saru

7 ай бұрын

A stronger arguement would be talking people misconception of light speed and being moon busting at low power. Those two are kinda misconception cause people dont understand how fast lightspeed actually is and moonbusting also is basically a misconception. Not saying goku and others are those levels later on. But many people give lightspeed to kid goku simply cause they couldnt see him. (You can lose sight of people at certain speed that isnt light speed people. Come on)

@Aes_Saru

7 ай бұрын

As for moon busting. Akira didnt factor in alot of the stuff when it came to planet busting. Like how much it would take for kii to dig thre a planet. Different consistency when it comes to digging thre diffirent elements, and denser rocks. Not to mention the planet own kii is basically none existing (yes the planet would have its own ki. Most likely would be similar to the magneto sphere. ) not to mention the iron molten core that some scientists suspect to be a double or more multiple layer core(their latest way to explain the magnetosphere)

@Chillout18-s9h

7 ай бұрын

​@@Aes_SaruMaster Roshi was able to blow up the Moon so.

@EldishRinger

6 ай бұрын

​@@Aes_SaruI have no idea what you're talking about here but it's shown on two different occasions of characters vaporizing the moon with ease.

@SefirothPH

6 ай бұрын

@@EldishRinger Here's a fun little powerscaling-destroying factoid that you have to fold yourself into a pretzel to ignore: If we take Dragon Ball moon feats seriously and assume for no reason that DB's moon is the same as our moon, then Goku and the Rabbit Gang can breathe in space for long periods of time without dying because Goku reached it on the Power Pole and the Rabbit Gang did not die when Roshi blew up the moon and therefore, Frieza killed a much stronger Vegeta in Resurrection F arc by blowing up the Earth, Vegeta logically did not die of suffocation, he died from the blast. There you go, all of powerscaling debunked, just because you want to keep using a silly gag moon feat.

Control energy does not explain, if you "control energy", the attack is not planetary anymore, and should not hurt planetary level beings. No matter the rhetoric, DBZ is not overpowered as the fans believe, they are wrong, period. The first true planetary DBZ character was Frieezar, and due to specialized technique, built to disrupt planetary core. The only "not specialized" confirmed ki attacks, appeard just around cell saga end big charged attacks. You can not agree, you have the right to be absolutely wrong.

@BROLYEDITZ

6 ай бұрын

Piccolo in db with a power level of 300 I think could destroy the moon. So no Frieda is not the first planetary being as many others could destroy planets stars and universes. Vegeta is shown to be able to destroy many planets so he’s multi - planetary - star level. Goku scales to this so Saipan saga goku + kaioken is multi planetary- star level. Then 2nd form frieza is stated to be able to destroy the universe making 2nd frieza universal. Goku ssj beats final form frieza 100% in which frieza should be way stronger than his 2nd form. So ssj goku is at least universal. Another statement is that king cold says that a solar system level attack was pitiful and would hurt frieza. Frieza is shown to survive this. The only reason he shows damage isn’t from the blast but from ssj goku.

10:00 ok so were just gonna bring up Majin Vegeta and just not explain it or even bring it up again? Im still sitting here waiting for an explanation that makes any sense. So much for Cell being solar system level.

@darthmaul3311

7 ай бұрын

Wdym

Wait where is ttt ur e proof

how didnt broly blow everything up then

Why can't Goku tank a planet exploding in his face even in his blue form??

@MajinBird

7 ай бұрын

Next video

@mosesmkandawire3032

7 ай бұрын

@@MajinBird awesome, can't wait.

@TruePoseidon

7 ай бұрын

When did that happen?

Bro what's with all of the dragon ball downplayers in the comments? Is this a safe zone for them or something lol.

bro who didn’t know this 💀 oh yeah, forgot, dragon ball fans 🤦‍♂️

Im 100% aure they explained ki control back in OG DB. Are people really lacking in comprehension that much?

@infernalbaka557

7 ай бұрын

You think dbz fans actually readed or watched OG dragonball?

@TruePoseidon

7 ай бұрын

@@infernalbaka557 Its not dbz fans who are the problem. Its people who haven't even bothered to watch the show or learn more of Dragon ball lore.

@SefirothPH

6 ай бұрын

Dragon Ball also establishes that Goku can breathe in space and that means Frieza killed Vegeta in Resurrection F, he didn't suffocate.

@1dfr33

6 ай бұрын

@@SefirothPH did it? I'm unaware of that. What event or chp mentioned that?

@SefirothPH

6 ай бұрын

@@1dfr33 Goku climbs the extended Power Pole to leave Earth and brings Monster Carrot to the moon.

These clickbait titles are so funny lmfao

Dragon Ball Kai is literally Dbz without filler. Quick Google search automatically proves my point.💀

@MajinBird

6 ай бұрын

You're right, The scene I mention is in Kai though.

0:08 Going to ruin your video at the 8 seconds mark so peoples don't waste time with powerscaler brainrot. Ki blast in Dragon Ball doesn't work the way powerscaler say they are, they can output multiversal level of energy into a building sized explosion. That is not happening and was never implied. What is implied is that you have different type of ki blast, most are just that. Energy blast that either melt or explode their surroundings, some even use air pressure to crush the ground and may quote-quote "shatter the Earth". And then, you have one type which had a trigger type property, you see. Planets, and other celestial body in Dragon Ball doesn't work like real-life planet. Even inanimate object possesses one of the three parts that made up Ki: Genki. King Kai explain that the first time we heard about the Spirit Bomb, that Earth's fiery core, its surface, oceans and forest possess a large amount of Genki that can be harvested to create attack. But in comparison to living things like humans' Genki, an entire planet Genki is near nothing. I.e : is Earth + humanity genki can kill Majin Buu when Earth alone can only damage Saiyan Saga Vegeta. Now what I said all of that? Because the Daizenshuu tell us that by overcoming a planet Genki, you trigger a chain reaction making it explode. "A technique where he (Buu) levitate a gigantic spherical ki over the palm of his hand, then strike the ground with it. Throught the ki's power, the magma within the Earth swells and explodes. This technique wiped out the Earth without leaving a trace behind. Freeza also use a similar technique." (Daizenshuu 2, p. 216) Although this information is not part of the original manga (it's inside a guidebook), it helps you understand that all the planetary destruction achieved so far. Including Muten roshi destroying the Moon are the result of overcoming a celestial body genki. And the good thing is that it makes stuff and power scaling consistent with the guidebook statement, The Moon is an inactive, pretty much "dead planet" so it's genki would be pretty low (similar to the planet Moro eat in DBS) Because of that, you only need the energy to blow up Mt. Frying Pan to destroy Earth moon in Dragon ball. (≥180 BP in Max Power form), I did figure out that energy and it's between 477.5 kT - 1.4 Mt of TNT, In the Daizenshuu again. King Piccolo is said to have the power of a "Small nuke", it sound took weak but a simple missile of the Red Ribbon Army can blow up a mountain top so I think they are way stronger than our nukes. And the strongest feat pre-Saiyan saga is Piccolo razing Papaya Island surface. (3.68 gigatons of TNT or 15.41 trillions joules) Since Goku tank it point blank and his body cross-sectional area is 1.115 m² (via the 3D model from Kakarot), you can find the energy he got hit with by finding the intensity : (energy of explosion in Joules)/(4π((3.242 meters)^2)) = 1.16677 × 10^17 J/m² Then we multiply the intensity by Goku cross-sectional are and you have 31.09 megatons or 4.93x City level in VSBW term. In the Raditz Saga power level get linear up to Frieza (exception is the farmer and Gohan) and Piccolo Jr. Saga Goku and Piccolo are 98.317% the strength of their Raditz Saga self by power level alone. Do some basic scaling and you have 63,000 BP for Vegeta's Galick Gun or 1.09 time Island level. (1.27x more than Papaya Island destruction but concentrated in a single point) This doesn't blow up the Earth on the spot, Vegeta was not going to kill himself so he would probably take a few minutes for the planet to explode. (Leaving him time to leave) Now what I said all of that? Because of your ''multi-stars" thumbnail BS Characters in Dragon Ball are implied to reach real planet busting capacity either at the Cell Saga or Buu Saga (if you use Kili reading), Super Perfect Cell, for example, had accumulated enough Ki to destroy the solar system (Likely in reference of having enough energy to destroy the Sun via chain reaction, because Kamehameha don't explode in solar system-sized explosion. They made thing explode or cover stuff) And we know once again via King Kai, that if Goku tap into the Sun Genki he could destroy the ENTIRE Earth. So since this was implied that using the Sun Genki = the ENTIRE Earth destruction, I am assuming that chain-reaction Sun destruction = Earth's GBE. But note that it could be way lower using narrative scaling to find Super Perfect Cell power level. (1,293,600,000,000 BP = 21.8x Multi-Continent level)

@Narrativerse

7 ай бұрын

2:15 40 tons? You know that there is a reason they give these character weight to lift right? It's to show us how strong they are physically, how strong they punches, kick, i.e At that point Goku's strenght with KI wasn''t exceeding 10 metric tons, his punches would hurt a hella lot because it would be focused for sure. But if it would be Earth's GBE (so convert to N instead of J) at the tip of his elbow striking Recoome he would be able to lift trillions of kg with his little finger. When writters and author give you a strenght value you use it, For example, Omni Man is said to be able to lift in excess of 100 tons, but that doesn't mean trillions of tons since Allen the Alien is said to be able to lift in excess of 30 tons. (meaning it can't be 3.4 times higher than 100 tons and fan calc putting his lifting strenght at 2,468.57 metric tons are dumb)

@MajinBird

7 ай бұрын

I don't agree with you, However I appreciate the time and effort you put into these comments. If youre interested in debates or just conversing with others I'd like if you'd be apart of the discord. discord.gg/eaDDT3Nhvj

@Narrativerse

7 ай бұрын

@@MajinBird Each their opinions, in the end of the day its night.

@EldishRinger

6 ай бұрын

Characters in DB are implied to be planetary at Saiyan Saga beginning with Vegeta. Vegeta has the same PL as his Dad, who previously was shown to destroy three planets with a wave of his hand. Numerous statements from reputable characters (Vegeta in anime and manga) and guides STATE that the Earth itself was in danger. I have no idea how you got SPC at Multi Continental but hopefully you can explain that one.

@Narrativerse

6 ай бұрын

@@EldishRinger I knew I should have included that in my initial comment but I make it short King Vegeta never destroyed 3 planets, in fact he didn't even had the power level to destroy one. (10k+ for a small planet in the databook and 63k for Earth) You know why? 1 : This is Toei only, aka the animation studio that made Vegeta red haired in a filler because they didn't have his color scheme yet. Same studio that also made a Kaioken x100 transformation before Super Saiyan was a thing too. 2 : Saiyan can't survive in space, even with God Ki. Proving even further that Toei's red haired Vegeta blowing up planet never happened and that King Vegeta demonstration of power is a speed up process in the course of many days AT BEST. (But its not canon in reality) 3 : Like in my comment, even if King Vegeta could "blow up 3 planets" it would still be chain reaction and so less than "continent level" worth of power in VSBW tiering. 4 : I just include that here in advance. Any artistic reprensation of feats in the Toei DBZ anime didn't happen. Buu NEVER desroyed a galaxy. He TOOK, in quote "MILLIONS OF YEARS TO DESTROY HUNDREDS OF PLANETS" Broly didn't destroy an entire galaxy at the beg. Of his movies, this is Kaio imagine stuff (remember, Saiyan can't survive in space and he uses a spaceship). The planet he is standing on have their surface ravaged, and at best he blows up the moons surrounding them. You will never, EVER have a Dragon Ball characters casually blowing up a solar system or an galaxy. Even in Super, Moro need to be overfeed Angel energy to POSSIBLY blow up the entire galaxy with an suicide attack (all of his power, nothing holding him back).

Edvfr

Thats not how your pronounce kamehameha

disliked for the clickbait thats completely unrelated to the title. nice vid tho

@MajinBird

6 ай бұрын

I think "they cant destroy a planet" would be considered a MYTH, But to each his own I guess lol

Wtf are u even talking about? 😂