Designing French pre-dreadnaughts: an exercise in self hatred.

0:00 setup and preliminary talk 4:12 HMS Dreadnought 16:15 USS South Carolina 28:10 Suffren (French Pre-Dreadnought) 34:26 Radetzky (Austro-Hungarian Pre-Dreadnought) 40:00 non-historical Modern Battleship 51:20 Questions 51:30 Is there any significant advantage/necessity of tumblehome ships on ironhulled ships? 53:05 Can you build things that aren't just Dreadnoughts? 53:26 Overall opinion on Ultimate Admirals: Dreadnought 53:50 Technical difficulty. Content will resume in next video, "Drachinifel Live Stream - Ultimate Admirals Dreadnought and Q&A (Take 2)": kzread.info/dash/bejne/p3-H0a6veKSWZto.html

@galbert117

3 жыл бұрын

The hero we never knew we needed.

Now where are my destroyers. Oh yes they have accidentally beached them selves making them selves unable to be recovered.

@ABrit-bt6ce

4 жыл бұрын

Go USA ! Buchannan on the other hand....

@jakobming4831

4 жыл бұрын

Hahaha

@USSAnimeNCC-

4 жыл бұрын

Me shyly look away and whistle

It's really interesting to see real ships replicated in this game. Most other KZreadrs playing this game seem min-max, and the resulting designs don't capture the spirit of real warships.

@USSAnimeNCC-

4 жыл бұрын

I try to make my ship as accurate as possible in Minecraft it make my work slow and a pain the ass because i sometime have to rebuilt a section of the ship again I'm going to do my best not half ass it like i seen most people do

@EternalModerate

4 жыл бұрын

min-max?

@Kennethah81

4 жыл бұрын

@@EternalModerate making unrealistic designs optimised for the scenario you are trying to beat. ie. minimum range since range is irrelevant in the scenarios. No secondary guns if you know you are only facing battleships or battlecruisers. Or low armour and low calibre fast firing main guns on your battleship if you know you are facing cruisers and destroyers.

@Shenaldrac

4 жыл бұрын

So, I have a question that might seem kind of aggressive, but I mean it entirely neutrally and it's coming from a place of wanting to understand, not as an attack: If you are interested in realistic ship designs that do have to cater to the realities of, well, real life, then why play a game where you can make unrealistic ships and can customize ships at all? Wouldn't games that limit you to real world ships be more what you are looking for? It seems to me like if the ships that the world got in real life were generally the best that could be given the technology and other factors such as politics, and you want to stick to realistic ship designs, then why play a game that gives the freedom to build ships that don't have those constraints? Again, I ask this because it's something I don't understand and I don't at all mean to come across as "just go play something else if you don't like this kind of thing", I think that kind of response is childish. But I just don't understand why if you want to play with realistic ships you'd be interested in a game that seems like it offers more freedom than that.

@EternalModerate

4 жыл бұрын

@@Shenaldrac Well, from what I can tell, this is about the most realistic ship building game in existence, it makes sense for people to be asking for a more realistic experience when every other game that does this sort of thing is essentially a glorified Minecraft builder.

Drach, I'm actually rather impressed, that we can come as close to building historical ships as we can, given that the Naval Academy set-piece scenarios are intended to be the tutorial for the game, and we're not even into the final Alpha version of the game yet. Those that have accessed what is called the "Debug Menu", where you can unlock all the hull types and tech in the game and use them in the Academy missions, have reported that there are already something like 80 different hull types in the game files for the Campaign mode, and god knows what's available as far as guns, tech etc. Apparently, what we're seeing in the standard Academy scenarios, is a very limited selection of what will be available in the main Campaign mode. And there may yet be even more added, as I'm hearing a couple hints that the Alpha 3 version is in the offing. For my money, even with just the tutorials available and being in early Alpha, this game is already far more enjoyable and of higher quality than WoWS - such that I haven't even bothered with WoWS in nearly a month.

@l.h.9747

4 жыл бұрын

I realy hope they add something in to increase tension in longer battles. Right now you have to wait a long time till your ship hits something. I thing its gonna get way more interesting in the campaign when you realy can loose ships xD

This looks like the American AAA gun placement: Is there an empty space there? Put a secondary gun there.

Hey drach. Ctrl+shift+alt+a. Have fun

That was really interesting. I am thinking about buying this game, but I will only do so if it has accurate historical (including designed but not built) warships. I hope the game devs watch this and improve their game, because it is not up to snuff at the moment.

Ah Ultimate Admiral: Dreadnought. I really hope that the studio that made this finish this and expand the game into the other eras of naval combat. Right now this is the only game I know of that isn't a glorified version of Minecraft that let's you design and build ships and it'd be amazing to be able to mix and match eras for What If battles or just to get as close to a first hand look as possible at evolution of naval design. And am I hearing things? I swear I can hear LCARS47 in the background in a couple of places.

@deeznoots6241

4 жыл бұрын

RedShirt047 tbh I’d be happy if they could do what they did with the Ultimate General series and provide a campaign mode

@redshirt0479

4 жыл бұрын

I'm not familiar with the Ultimate General series. What exactly did they do there?

@brooksrownd2275

4 жыл бұрын

One of their other games Naval Action had a LOT of promise but it was squandered and became an Open World style sealclubbing gankfest.

@Betrix5060

4 жыл бұрын

@@brooksrownd2275 Same publisher, different devs.

@Betrix5060

4 жыл бұрын

There's Ultimate Admiral: Age of Sail

UAD is great for both replicating real historical ships, building ships that weren't laid down or testing out wild ideas/concepts. Fun all round :)

I want to see this game allow you put 6 or 7 different sizes of secondaries on early French pre-dreadnoughts, because that was such a practical design choice. (Not)

I hope they add more superstructure, like the huge fuso towers.

I’d like to see combat of the ships you made on stream

Drac playing UAD: "Let's see if we can make a historically accurate HMS Dreadnaught" Tex playing UAD: "Torpedo boats 150 through 300, make full smonk ahead"

I’m in Idaho 1526 Nov.20 2019 and I can hear you.

In other plays of this game I have seen the computer controlled ships have more historically correct ships in the pre-dreadnaught era than the game lets you build. About all you can do is RN/IJN style 4-12" 2X2 and 12-6" 12X1.

Tees Please. Drach, it's almost free money. Also no give me your money button. right now.

You was doing a German pre-dreadnought , SMS Weißenburg. Not a silly French one

@casperreininga3253

4 жыл бұрын

well, technically SMS Weißenburg was a Brandenburg class Pre-dreadnought, but yes, you are right, glad to see I am not the only one who noticed (I like the Brandenburgs, they actually carried 3 main gun turrets, which is a 50% increase to most pre-dreadnought for the time, and they were somewhat super-firing too.)

Is this game out? it says release in 2020. Been waiting to play it actually.

@Drachinifel

4 жыл бұрын

It's in alpha

Could you build the viribus unitis ?

Yes

Those were Star Trek beeps in the background.

Hello there

As much as this is the sort of game I've always dreamed of I still can't forget the disaster of management Naval Action was by this studio.

@Feiora

4 жыл бұрын

bad things? I'm interested in this game but not if the devs got problems or if they are sinking...

@Cragified

4 жыл бұрын

@@Feiora If I where you I'd do a little searching around. Sid Alpha's Dirty Devs on youtube is one thing he did one on Naval Action. Also read the steam reviews in detail on Naval Action. Now.. a big part of Naval Actin's woes is that it's 'Admin's' project. Gamelabs is capable of being competent such as the Civil war games they've done. Just don't approach blindly.

Were guns as inaccurate in real life as they are in this game? (and World of Warships?) The angles my shells go off at seem REALLY absurd.

@eblingus

4 жыл бұрын

No. Those games fail at accuracy simulation

@PoisoningShadow671

4 жыл бұрын

Really depends on the year. Pre-radar, you don't have that high chance of hitting your targets, especially if thier ship, or yours are actively evasive. Post-radar, then yeah, gunfire was pretty accurate.

@alganhar1

4 жыл бұрын

Yes, they were, this is the days before modern style computing systems, a whole list of reasons could lie behind shells going off target, from slight changes in the amount of propellant to various environmental effects including temp changes, wind variation etc. This is before you count the things you needed to know about your actual guns, so how worn are they, barrel temp etc, and THEN add the fact that both the gunnery platform and its target are moving relative to each other, not only laterally but in higher sea states a certain amount of movement up and down as well.... It results in a hugely complex series of calculations that need to be made, and man of the variable are constantly changing to require constant updating. Naval gunnery at range was HARD....

@Kennethah81

4 жыл бұрын

World of Warships is wildly inaccurate in the way it portrays gun accuracy. Hit rates of less than 5% were the norm during the battleship area. (Jutland saw an average of less than 3% if I remember correctly).

@IonoTheFanatics

4 жыл бұрын

As Kenneth mentioned, hit rate in WW1 till early WW2 basically amounts to single digit percentage chance of hitting. Most ships in both WW combat record expend HUNDREDS of shells per gun, and achieve a handful of hits at most. This gets better once the more modern ships especially with ships like the one USN had by mid WW2 onward which are equipped with significantly better fire control computer (mechanical computer) and radar assistance. Using both combined (radar feeding the data directly to the fire control computer which significantly speeds up the computation of firing solution and it's accuracy) late Battleships in USN fleet like Iowa was able to bracket it's target in the first salvo... granted... that still means they missed completely with entire salvo worth of shells... but to be able to get the range right and bracket the target normally require a number of salvos in most Battleships and a fair number of shells.... so the arrival of the radar assisted fire control computer by late WW2 herald the first time a warship can actually stand a chance to actually hit their target within reasonable time and shots. Unfortunately for them... Missiles were coming... and were about to render the guns mostly obsolete in surface combat... just as they were getting good.

At around 24 25 time said north Carolina didn't you mean south Carolina 😏

I want to play the campaign in the worst way.

Revisit this game? 😇💯

@weesdt

2 жыл бұрын

Nvm, I see newer content too xP let's dig in 😂👍

The game really makes me sad. There are no fitting hulls for many german ships like Derfflinger or Bayern. If you want to get close to the right horsepower numbers, hull lenght and displacement youre really getting depressed. If you then want to make the ship stable without any stupid weight offset you just go insane.

Seriously Drach? The ship designer that put 3" guns on top of a battleship turret is "unrealistic!" Who would ever fire those things? Captain America maybe?

@Nonsense010688

4 жыл бұрын

they were build... not perhaps the best idea... but they existed...

tryed watching guy called "historical gamer"..lol..he did not live up to his name and had no clue what he was doin or sayin..painfull it was....glad your takin a swing at it

@Lich_V.

4 жыл бұрын

just because his name is "historical gamer" doesn't mean he has to be an expert in naval history

@kraigantonjon

4 жыл бұрын

@@Lich_V. agreed, but wouldnt one want to at least have spent some time researchin the subject...maby some note takin and prep if you wanna portray youself as a "historical"

@Lich_V.

4 жыл бұрын

@@kraigantonjon "historical gamer" is just a name. it may imply that he plays games (preferably historic ones) and is well versed with history in general (which he is) but you can't really blame him for not being too familiar with naval history. btw he does series where he talks about history (like in a lecture) but the "A first look" series isn't one of them

@kraigantonjon

4 жыл бұрын

@@Lich_V. point taken,perhaps me being too critical methinks? I admit i watched one or two and didnt look further.

Dear God, man, launch the ship and get about its business