Five other benefits of dt shifters: Much shorter cable length so more direct "feel" when shifting and less cable stretch. No need to fuss with tensioning to get the rear derailleur indexing just right. Easy to trim the front derailleur as needed. If a cable breaks, just take what's left and use one of your bottle cage bolts to lock it in place/tension it for the gear you want to be in to get by. No need for a lot of cable housing.

@velo_orange

8 ай бұрын

Nice tips! I've also seen people take the remaining length and put the cable head directly into the barrel adjustor on the derailleur, tension it to which gear you want to be in, and wind the excess into a loop. That actually works well for a budget single speed, too!

@tbrowniscool

8 ай бұрын

I like the cut of your jib sir

Downtube and friction shifters in general are great. Pretty much indestructible, simple, and beautiful. Love a classy Rando build.

@hopfag6555

8 ай бұрын

Haha yeah right, downtube shifters are zéro maintenance but they can’t handle actual bad weather abuse like 105 lever shifters for example, had two cold rides in the rain on old campagnolo downtube shifters and one brusque shift made it break in 2 pieces

@dillroastington

8 ай бұрын

@@hopfag6555 I'll take "Things that never happened" for $1000 Alex... I rode Ene downtube shifters through 5 years of Wisconsin winters on a commuter that literally never came inside. Never a single issue. I have never had indexed shifters of any kind or quality that could take that kind of a beating and still perform without issue. In fact those same Ene shifters are currently on an Ogre built for offroad touring (now on shifter pods on the handlebars) and they get absolutely abused and they've never failed me. I have 90s Trek frames with Shimano downtube shifters that still work like new. There are very few moving parts and unless they take a hard direct hit I've never known a decent quality downtube shifter to fail, definitely can't say the same for indexed lever shifters.

@CountryB4Party

8 ай бұрын

@@hopfag6555You’re one example is countered by untold thousands of examples of downtube shifters just working in all kinds of conditions. Must be more to the story. Care to tell?

@hopfag6555

8 ай бұрын

@@CountryB4Party well downtube shifters especially more performant models are not full metal and they got some kind of ceramic texture in the inside which all broke with a brusque load even if it wants heavy in any way… this is not the first exemple of those downtube shifters failing especially shimano’s

@ericritchie6783

8 ай бұрын

@@hopfag6555 "performant medals?" what meaning lightweight and brittle? Just have proper metal ones.. Campagonolo are not necessarily of decent quality metal, mainly just crafted to look nice and with relatively good engendering tolerances. A lot of "fancy shmancy" French and Italian components do actually just shear of and break sooner or later. If you want old school European metal then English or German seem to hold up much better over decades of aging, otherwise Japanese/Taiwanese of course is generally decent.

I’ve got two early 80s Raleigh Randonneurs (531ST frames) with downtube shifters. Love them. So simple, so elegant and so easy to use. Bikes, like life, were simple then. No complicated brake levers, no internal routed cables, no hydraulics, no tubeless mess, and no electrickery gear shift.

I love down tube shifters, especially if I am riding on the drops, I can reach right down and shift. The greatest thing about down tube shifters is that they are out of the way when you aren't using them, and maintenance is easy. Replacing cables doesn't require removing bar tape, threading the cable through the inside of the frame, or any other annoying routing, and replacing the shift levers is a similarly easy task.

@zopEnglandzip

8 ай бұрын

Likewise, loads of other possibilities too, cheap, lightweight, drop levers and v's, although they suck in traffic.

@charleslicha2770

8 ай бұрын

What people forget is how much weight brifters add to the handle bars. Downtube shifters all the time.

@porkyparry1

8 ай бұрын

Stop the world, i wanna get off.

@Shadowboost

8 ай бұрын

Really? I'm shifting in the drops without taking hands off the bars with brifters and maintaining complete control over the bike. I have friction downtube shifters on my commuter. It's never as easy to shift. What it is is reliable and light

@tomruth9487

8 ай бұрын

I had the ball end come off the cable on my rear dura ace brake/shift lever. I replaced the cable and went on a ride with some friends. It turns out that ball end of the cable jammed somehow into the lever and caused all kinds of problems. Sometimes it would work ok but most of the time on the ride I had a two speed bike. Trying to figure out the problem and getting that ball end out of the brake lever was horrible. It never would have happened if I had down tube friction shift levers. Sometimes less is more.

Love it ! I think we're going to see a lot more of this sort of thing. Modern bikes are ridiculously over-complicated.

The swappable drop out is a very clever design!

@velo_orange

8 ай бұрын

Thanks!

@ThisTimeTheWorld

8 ай бұрын

Every great bike should live through several incarnations

The seamless motion of reaching down to shift with a featherlight touch is one of my guiltiest pleasures of riding. It is a downtube indexed shifter.

Love that rear dropout system. As someone who loves to ride fixed, but who also lives somewhere with a lot of hills this makes a lot of sense to me. When (if) I ever stretch to having a bike made for me I'll look for something similar.

Such a nice build. Simple,good quality and pleasing to the eye. Interestingly in direct contrast to the latest,drop seat stay,Carbon,disc brake road bike,complete with in-house wheels,seat pin,bar/stem combo….been racing,riding,touring,sportif participating since 1970’s..following the tech as I went. Now it has,in my opinion passed a point whereby I feel….ENOUGH! Last year ditched my Carbon MTB frame and bought a hand built 853 steel. Recently built a 531 Road bike with 11 Speed Campy Record. If I was taking on a long tour would look to use downtube shifters,for simplicity and ease of maintenance…

@velo_orange

8 ай бұрын

So true. You don't need a ton of tech to have a nice riding bike. Not all riders are trying to win races and searching for marginal gains. Most people just want a nice and practical bike without breaking the bank. Sometimes the best bike is the one you forget about when riding it.

@ThisTimeTheWorld

8 ай бұрын

N+1

I love downtube shifters. For a commuter bike they are awesome and easy to fix/maintain for a non-mechanic.

a build with deep significance for the cosmic order and then some TIMELESS an ELIXER to theGODS of transport

@ringscircles142

8 ай бұрын

amen

Your reasons for friction shifters are spot on. My old Suntour ratcheting shifters keep doing their job, through changes in bike, gears, and chain rings. And now I have a new Shimano bottom-line derailer - and it all works together, smooth as glass.

So satisfying to watch a well made bicycle put together with quality components by someone who knows what he is doing. I've been riding since the 70s and generally managed to keep up with the bicycling fashionistas. The latest trends however have been hard to stomach, especially disc brakes and electronic gear shifting. Bicycles seem to have picked up too much unnecessary complexity. I'm now going back to my cycling roots by doing a retro build, complete with toe clips and Suntour downtube shifters. Friction shifters that is. Nothing beats the satisfaction of a well judged shift, when your ears tell you that you've shifted the lever just enough to move the chain from one cog to another.

So beautiful bike ! It is the practical demonstration that you can have a great bike in 2023 with dowtonwn shifters. Bravo !

The bicycle used to be such a democratic tool for man. It brought us industry and freedom. This build is the embodiment of the glory of the bicycle.

@ellerybice3787

7 ай бұрын

The digital screen is a detriment to a quality life, if you do not recognize its danger and treat it accordingly. The bicycle and its usefulness is not appreciated in a larger world seduced into mental illness by and of Digital madness.

@brennamiller6806

6 ай бұрын

​@@ellerybice3787the portable internet of today is a tool for democracy, especially when totalitarian forces dominate broadcast media.

@sempi8159

6 ай бұрын

What arr you talking about? ​@@ellerybice3787

I’ve ridden bikes for 50 years, I have six bikes varying from the 50s up to the late eighties, all except one (sturmey 3 speed ) have DT shifters. I feel comfortable and muscle memory helps with getting shifts right, well 90% of the time anyway. I still use straps and clips, and quite often I’m in the pedal and away before the SPD and clip less crowd. I do envy the brifter brigade occasionally but I’m used to the old school and it’s worked for me all those years, and simplicity is usually a lot more reliable and easier to fix on the road.

I went from dt to bar end shifters on my rain bike and am quite happy with them. Something to think about if you're older and don't feel like reaching down there. Just something neat about being more of a part of slipping through the gears, fits perfectly with 'just riding'.

My first road bike, a Peugeot, had downtube friction shifters - takes me back!

Such a beautiful bike! Exactly what I would want for myself!!

I might have the most downtube shifter content on KZread, and when I go STI shifting, I just wind up coming back to downtube shifters. There’s nothing like it and feels so pure to riding. Plus it’s cheap and easy to work on! That’s just a set in stone fact!

Love it. I've been pondering how I'd build a new bike for 2024 and you've just shown me. (However, I would try to find some vintage Shimano Deore derailleurs...) But it's as near a perfect bike as I can imagine. Now I'm an old fella who not only prefers a steel frame, but I love the aesthetics of a curved steel fork. Match that with side pull brake calipers with downtube shifters and it's just wonderful. The silver components with the brass details simply makes this a gorgeous build. I'll take one, please. Seeing this video has soothed my cycling soul. Thank you.

nice build. I still have my Simplex Retro shifters from the mid 80s when I raced. Pre-SIS, these shifters were awesome. I still have them today !

@velo_orange

8 ай бұрын

I have a full set lying dormant in my parts bin. I also have a naked one on my keychain for the Bus.

@rollinrat4850

7 ай бұрын

I'm still using various Sun Tour ratcheting shifters, down tube and bar con shifters. I had Dura Ace 7400, the 1st SIS. They still function well on my old Ron Cooper. You can literally shift during a full sprint. It was like night and day compared to my old Campy NR. But what really made the biggest difference for wide range shifting gears and touring was the modern ramped and pinned gears, modern chains and slant parallelogram derailleurs. Using this stuff with ratcheting shifters is still awesome. Those Simplex Retros are the holy grail! I'd love to have a set, but the rest of my old junk hasn't worn out yet.

Thanks for the video. I'm setting up my Crosscheck with downtube shifters later this year so a reminder was very helpful. Presta valve washers trick was worth the price of admission.

I have DT shifters on my Surly Cross Checkset up for general riding, utility and touring. With both shifters set to friction mode, it is easy to get perfect shifting with a bit of experience and they can be adjusted for silent pedalling. Any stretch in the cables can be adjusted out to maintain silence.

I had a bike with tube shiftings before. It´s simplicity is awesome, like this bike you´ve built. Good work!

I use campy 10 with friction shifters. Campy has loose springs so plays nice with the d ring on shifter. Friction is the vibes…🖤

Beautiful build! Love everything about it.

Mesmerizing to watch, incredible presentation. I learned a lot, thanks.

I have a 20+ yr old Giant RB with shifters on the headset...love the simplicity.

Great video as I’m almost ready to start building up my Pass Hunter frame after spending a few months acquiring some parts and pieces. Mostly VO with a smattering of parts bin stuff. Love the little tips. Enjoy your day.

@velo_orange

8 ай бұрын

Thanks for the kind words! We'd love to see the final build, so send over pics when it's done!

Beautiful bike. Love the detailed explanation.

@velo_orange

8 ай бұрын

Thanks for the kind words!

When you get used to friction shifters they are great,easy to use and satisfying finding the sweet spot.

Looks like a piece of Art!! 🤩🤩

I've used downtube shifters on my winter bikes for years. I case you crash on a slippery road you don't ruin expensive STI type shifters. Years ago i build an MTB with Paul Thumbies and downtube 9 speed shifters when everyone else was on 8 speed because there were no MTB 9 speed groups.

Nice video and thanks!

nice build - thanks for sharing

I replaced the low bar with a flat bar and installed mountain bike brake/rapid fire shifters. A lot better for the city with a lot of traffic.

Awesome build! Brings back great memories of my builds in the 70s!.🥂

Gotta say really appreciate the low standover at smallest size. And the steel fork plus straight headtube. Someday!

My Schwinn super le tour has awesome downtube shifters I like the old school look on the bars no grip tape no brakes either

Love that dropout option! Another hit from VO

@velo_orange

8 ай бұрын

Thank you!

Beautiful!

For my newly build steel road bike, I chose Shimano’s 8-speed index down tube shifters, I just love their light weight and simplicity! And the index system is very handy and practical too.

@velo_orange

8 ай бұрын

Ooo I was looking at those. I've used the 10sp Dura-Ace in the past, but they're rare/crazy $$ nowadays. Good review all-in-all for them?

@JackY-pu5nh

8 ай бұрын

@@velo_orange Absolutely!

@rollinrat4850

8 ай бұрын

I used Campy Nuovo Record back in the day. It was the benchmark. Their designs remained relatively unchanged for decades. If you knew what's up, you'd be using those Simplex retrofriction levers instead of Campy's. I tried my buddy's Dura Ace 7400 in the mid '80s. Indexed 7 speed. This was the very first index shifting on the market. Combined with slant parallelogram derailleurs, improved chains and shapesd Uniglide gear teeth provided an incredible improvement . Using it was like night and day compared to that old Campy. It was bang, bang! Exactly the gear you wanted, super solid, shift hard while pedaling hard. I still use some of those parts today. It took Sun Tour and Campy several years to even come close to that wonderful shifting.

@JackY-pu5nh

8 ай бұрын

@@rollinrat4850 that’s a speak of experience👍

@rollinrat4850

8 ай бұрын

@@JackY-pu5nh The indexing eventually wore out on my old 7400 downtube shifters. Now I use Sun Tour ratcheting bar ends with most of those old Dura Ace parts. The shifting is still great. I think what made the biggest difference in shifting performance (way back when) was the improvement of all the drivetrain components. Index shifting is just a convenience thing, unless you're racing and have your mind elsewhere. I think there have been larger improvements in terms of bike technology and making the act of riding the bike much more practical long term. I think water packs were a wonderful invention, also suspension forks and the LEDs used in modern lighting systems. A larger choice of saddles and handlebar shapes truly help you fit your steed. Those are some of the most important upgrades you can make to your bike and how it becomes more of an integrated part in your riding experience. These sort of innovations literally help me spend more time on my bike. My aspiration is to spend more time rolling around on two wheels. That's what I like most. Long adventures where I ride until I'm tired, hungry or sleepy. Then I stop, rest and do it all again a few hours later. What's probably been the biggest game changer personally in the last several years is using dynamo lights and hub systems. I've been riding mountains, trails and roads late at night, even dusk to dawn rides since the late '80s. We have a small night riding gang in our little bike riding community. Now, the time of day has no limit on my riding. I can start anytime and finish anytime. Batteries aren't a limit or an extra burden/worry either. Not for days on end in nowhere land. After I started using dynamos, I could not believe I waited as long as I did to get one. One of my lights can even recharge my devices or my rechargeable headlamp during the day! Pretty useful things for bikepacking far from civilization!

I have strong respect for restoration/building and if that includes a bygone shifting technology (and it works well) then I totally appreciate this direction. Down Tube shifting is not my preference, but after reading other comments I have a better understanding of the pros and cons. Great video, I especially liked the rim brake installation! That’s an old school tech I can get behind. Thanks for sharing!

@velo_orange

8 ай бұрын

Thanks for the kind words!

@ThisTimeTheWorld

8 ай бұрын

I like them because they are reliable and SILENT. I have a very quiet road bike I ride at night and I love hearing birds and things without the freewheel sizzle or hard clanking shifts.

Nice built and nice parts!

Loving the dishing tool holder.

Nice one!

Very nice. I grew up as a kid first getting into cycling in the 70's so this is evocative of the period in a wonderful way. I love that classic groupset with the drillings but SRAM mechs as a twist. (Remember the black anodized Zeus drilled cranksets?- a fav of mine back in the day.) My only thing is this frame color... there are probably 500 other colors/schemes I'd like better than that one, but to each their own -- it's still a very cool and unique build with that interesting frame! I do say that the frame color somehow works better with the tire color, bar tape and brown saddle combo. The frame geometry looks sort of classic touring, or am I incorrect?

@velo_orange

8 ай бұрын

It's a mix of classic fit and modern front end geo. A bit slacker front end for better handling for long distance. It's isn't low trail, so it likes to be minimally loaded. It's the smoothest road bike I've ridden in years. You can find the geo chart on the product webpage in the description: velo-orange.com/products/rando-frameset

Very nice. Couple of comments: Those Sram derailleurs are a bit ugly, Campagnolo would be my choice. Bit surprised you didn't use a torque wrench for tightening the BB cups, crank bolts and cassette lock ring.

@velo_orange

8 ай бұрын

My original build did have Campagnolo! velo-orange.com/blogs/theveloorangeblog/lets-talk-rando-builds In my years in the industry, I only use torque wrenches on carbon bits. Just a lot of experience and a carefully calibrated elbow.

Downtube shifters are great. I ride 9-10k miles a year and 2/3 of those miles are typically on a bike with downtube shifters. Super reliable and easy to use once mastered. I can even shift both levers simultaneously with one hand.

The frame/fork and set up remind me of the Raleigh International I rode in the early 70s. It was an amazing long distance rider.

Great video. If not the best for how to build most beautiful bicycle!

So clean 🚴✨✨

I love my downtube shifters!! Both my bikes have them!

I've had dt indexed shifters all my riding life, saved a lot of weight on the front end of the bike.

@generalruler

5 ай бұрын

are they cast iron oversized lead plated shifters ?

@alexwiercinski4510

5 ай бұрын

@@generalruler Shimano 105's .

This reminds me of when Bridgstone wouldn't equip its mountain bikes with trigger shifters. Their rationale (Grant Peterson's, actually) was that most of their riders were unsupported so if a shifter broke, they could always put it in friction mode and get home.

Love my downtube shifters!

Really excellent frame. Much like my 2010 Salsa Casseroll

nice bike!

Used DS for many years and now Im trying to adapt to end bars shifters and keeping on hitting the front one with my knee , very annoying but the back one I really like it and I think I can get used to it my hand is down there most of the time anyways.

Wow what a lovely build.. very nice :) subscribed.. Pete

@velo_orange

8 ай бұрын

Many thanks!

Personally, I HATE how modern brifters wobble/accidentally shift as im grabbing a hand full of brake in any given situation. They need stronger resistance springs or just less free play. Until then, DT shifters are king

@rollinrat4850

2 ай бұрын

Brifters also break cables far more often and they're literally like clockwork inside. There are dozens of tiny little complex parts to wear out, become dirty and gunked up. An innocent little crash can damage brifters, then it costs hundreds to replace them. Even more so if theyre hydraulic and or electronic. Don't EVER disassemble a brifter unless you're a great mechanic in need of a real challenge. Meanwhile, my ratcheting friction shifters of various types are ALL 35 to over 50 years old and function perfectly with hardly any maintenance. Such a great value!!

Beautiful bike.

Love those dropouts

Where I live most people ride 70-80s road bikes around town due to the theft risk - nearly all with downtube shifters and this doesn't seem to pose any issue. As you say, simple and effective. I'm not going to say I don't like integrated brake shifters either.

Lifetime bike right there

My no fuss just ride for fun/parts bike/make me stronger bike is a steel Lotus Excelle, rocking drop tube non indexed shifters. Makes it easy to switch gearing in the rear from 7 all the way to 11 speed. Just a little adjustment to the derailleur.

Beautiful and elegant bicycle.

@velo_orange

7 ай бұрын

Thanks!

Was searching quite a bit recently for a new steel frame with modern spacing but for rim brakes. There's only a few available these days. I was less keen to spend the amount required to get a Rando, but it was eventually the best option. Looking forward to receiving and building it up. This will be my first time owning a modern frame, so I'm really curious to see how it feels to wrench on.

My SIS Dura-Ace 7400 on my vintage Tomassini is still freakishly smooth.

@velo_orange

8 ай бұрын

Those are the best! Hard to find without spending big $$ nowadays.

I like the brake check test at the very end. This proves rim brakes are better than disc brakes.

Love my down tube shifters. 650b swapped an 80's race bike to fit 42mm slicks and 9 speed cassette. It's a fantastic bike for mixed terrain. Though really, I just clicked on the video to find out who makes the brown shifter covers... I think VO needs to source a new run of these. I need them for the barcons on my latest build!

@velo_orange

8 ай бұрын

Nice! Rustines used to make them, but I no longer think they do. They stopped doing the bike stuff during the pandemic to focus on their industrial business.

@RO8YO

8 ай бұрын

@@velo_orange Yup, I did a quick search last night and found a few international shops that still had stock. Will have to check out shipping costs. Think there's a chance of talking Dia Compe into creating some molds?

@RO8YO

8 ай бұрын

@@velo_orange They are still on the Rustines site and available in 4 colors. Sadly they want 45 euros for shipping :(

Way nice classic look...It's actually a utilitarian art piece .

With new bikes starting $600+ I got into old 10 speeds with friction shifters a couple years ago , never minded the non- indexed gear feel, the maintenance is simple enough to do yourself with standardized available parts, and the 70 - 80's steel frames are indestructible.

DTs are a great example of "Newer may be better in some ways, but older is also great." I'm building up an RB1 and I'm actually converting it to DTs even though it had non-original bar ends on it. The other thing too is: Early STIs weren't super great, so if you want to stay period correct but also have good performance, DTs are the way to go.

@mitchellstride1673

8 ай бұрын

I have an 1988 RB2 with downtubes I ride all the time. Someone in the last 30 years put and old shimano 105 set on there.

@ThisTimeTheWorld

8 ай бұрын

"What's old is new again."

I grew up with friction downtube shifters, and have them on most of my road bikes. (Two have non-indexed SunTour barcons, and the mountain bike has SunTour thumbies operating in non-indexed mode.

Nice 👍🏻

Enjoyed the video. Bike looks great. Hopefully your friend had a good cross-state ride on it?

@velo_orange

8 ай бұрын

He already got the bike and is loving it! Check out Nic on IG to follow along when he does the ride: instagram.com/morajez/

At times I would bring & still ride either of my 2 orig Campy equip road bikes from the 70's.1) Legnano 2 ) Vincini & everytime I ride in NYC Central Park & there's tons of modern racing road bikes that I don't even know the names. the ones in modern ultra expensive ones would stares at me like I'm a UFO LOL / Dinasaur bike they're thinking? & the ones that knows what I'm riding vintage downshifters would give me a thump up! & that is all I ride - never owned a mid 80's up road bike yet but someday I will.

Nifty dropout arrangement!

@velo_orange

8 ай бұрын

Thanks!

Nice! I love the all silver build and frame color. I found friction DT shifter to be hard to keep in gear with modern cassettes and chains. The newer stuff is meant to mke shifting easy, with ramps and pins, which makes the chain switch too easy for DT shifter (when not shifting). I do love DT shifter and one of my bikes has Dura-Ace 9sp DT shifters with a cheap Shimano rear derailleur - it works wonderfully.

@velo_orange

8 ай бұрын

Interesting point. I feel like 10 speed (cassette) is the pinnacle of friction shifting. Cogs aren't too close together, but the range options and crankset compatibility is seemingly endless. And the derailleurs are so cheap and good.

@donttouchthisatall

8 ай бұрын

@@velo_orange Same - i use the drillium crank in combination with the silver shifters and a 10 speed. Has been working flawlessly for years.

@leepin_lemur

8 ай бұрын

I had the same issue with newer cassette gearing as well, using both DuraAce bar ends and simplex retrofriction down tube shifters. I wonder if the larger 50mm pull on the VO shifters would give more precision? Years ago I always used ultra 7 freewheels for road but standard 6 speed for crits as it had more “room” for less precise shifts. So would an 11 or 12 speed chain lesson the chance of auto shift with 10 speeds?

@velo_orange

8 ай бұрын

@@leepin_lemur I don't think an 11sp chain would fit on a 10sp cassette. So I don't think it would help tremendously. I think auto shifting is a consequence of frame flex, too. But that's more in the front.

@jamesvaliensi7706

8 ай бұрын

My bike would ghost shift when I stood up for more power. I think the frame flex would cause the cable tension to change in the slightest amount, and the chain would get close enough to the cog ramps to cause it to change gears. Now I didn't try every type of chain or cassettes.

My three most used bikes have downtube shifters. The only issue is reach from the bars if you have a very large frame (though you probably have very long arms, too!), and the same distance issue if you run 26" wheels. On the plus side, if you have a small frame like my wife's 19" with a short stem, DT levers are practically at hand. Also seen top tube and head tube levers on custom frames, and anyone remember Suntour twin levers mounted on a pip on top of the downtube, c1982?

You should have painted the insides of the drillium holes with yellow paint for that authentic drillium look.

Hi. More grease on all steel bolts please. Nice build. I use downtube shifters on my commuter.

@phillipwhetzel6970

8 ай бұрын

And grease on the headset bearing not just inside the cones

I plan on doing the Fl C2C ride this fall.

nice bike

Downtube shifters are great for guys* who used to ride single speed and fixed in the 00's and still want to stand out from the crowd today despite their worn out knee cartilage. *tbh I'm one of those guys

Hi just wondering the stopper ring (the first ring u put in for the shifter) is it the same size for 11 speed and the 10speed diacompe ? Wanna change my downtube shifter from 10s to 11s but I dont know if it the same .

Can you fit a rear rack on the rando frame??

Great video, really enjoyed it. I do wish you would not have skipped adjusting the limit screws. That’s one thing a lot of home mechanics start with and it’s always worth seeing a pro do it.

@velo_orange

8 ай бұрын

Noted! We've done it in previous videos, but will be sure to include it in the future. The yaw derailleurs are definitely outside the norm for adjustments. It wouldn't be the first option now that I've done it. Going with a regular 105 or Sora would be better for this build.

@ThisTimeTheWorld

8 ай бұрын

@@velo_orange I like the front mech that swings differently, that you demonstrate.

@velo_orange

8 ай бұрын

It is ok. I think Nic ended up switching to a regular Campy or Shimano derailleur because he didn't like the yaw. If I did it again, I'd go with a Sora or 105 front derailleur for this setup.@@ThisTimeTheWorld

@ThisTimeTheWorld

8 ай бұрын

@@velo_orange 105 is great stuff. Sora looks good but I haven't tried it yet. I have a pair of 3x7 brifters I might use next year. I likenthe campy style thumb triggers

@rollinrat4850

7 ай бұрын

@@ThisTimeTheWorldCampy makes the very best brifters and you can actually rebuild them without losing your mind. Their front shifter and their shape is hands down the very best. I've rebuilt Shimano's but it took lots more of my time than it was worth. I cant work cheap! I might try Campy's brifters out, but my 'old junk' hasn't worn out yet. I'm still using ratcheting Sun Tour friction shifters that are about 50 years old. The indexing on my Dura Ace 9 speed bar ends gave out, but friction mode works fine.

Ye gods, man - secure that vice! That wobble is woeful.

Man, Id love one of these with a 650b wheelsetso I can squeeze in a slightly bigger tire.. I really like this.. Def could use something nice to cruise these FL streets..

linda bike ❤

I am trying to get friction shifting working with a 10 speed cassette. The bike was eight speed index downtube shifting. The original 8 speed Shimano shifters were index only. I had some Simplex friction shifters. With a ten speed chain , 10 speed road cassette and the original light action 8 speed derailleur I can only use 9 of the 10 cogs the simplex does not pull enough cable to get all 10. A lot of sources say that I should be able to get 10 or possibly 11 speeds with an old friction shifter. What am I missing? Would it work if I bought a 10 speed derailleur?

@velo_orange

6 ай бұрын

I don't think the Simplex shifter will be able to pull a full 10sp cassette. It was really only designed to pull 5 or 6. I'd switch to a different shifter. I've had good luck with the Dia-Compe shifters we have on the website for 9 and 10 speed drivetrains.

When you lost indexed shifter and not get compatible, the friction shifter work with all.

is the Rando a better option than a Surly Crosscheck? I don't know which one to purchase; I do commute on bicycle...

@velo_orange

8 ай бұрын

Depends on what you need! The Cross Check is definitely more of a burly frame for touring. The Rando is lighter and more minimal. I've commuted on road bikes before, just depends on your needs.

I don't need a front deraileur or it's shift lever. I can move the chain from either cahinwhell to the other one.

@velo_orange

8 ай бұрын

I've tried foot shifting, but it's too risky to drop a chain

With the availability of HUGE rear cogs today.... I'd probably use 1 chainring 38 tooth ish

Great

Is it wrong that I'm planning a dropbar 29x2.6 frameset with a vintage French, left downtube shifter ?😊