"The Aunty Christ" 👏👏👏👏bravo on that one 🤣

"It doesn't actually have a name and is instead only referred to as the 'What the F*ck is this' when you pick it up." amazing line delivery this has me on the floor

@esmerylan

3 ай бұрын

The one that made me laugh out was "it erases the reference to A Clockwork Orange and so makes the game less highbrow and literary". How often does anyone even mention that the UV difficulty is a reference to that? 😝

"The AUNTIE-christ" My sides are in Uranus. Thanks.

Really loved all these videos and I wish there were even more ports for you to dig your hands (paws?) into. I guess the Doom 2 port on the GBA! Some more notes: the Doom 1 on the GBA also has a ton of cut textures and sprites that depicted gore. Doom 2 continued this trend, but to a somewhat lesser extent. And since that one came out in 2002, the Collector's Edition was NOT the first time the Icon of Sin was seen on a console. But what a ride, great work!

@pyroxene4768

3 ай бұрын

I think a major point to mention about Doom 2 on GBA is everyone's favorite amplification goggles; they appear to be permanently turned on in this port, as everything is now always fullbright everywhere.

One little note about the Xbox port, the original Xbox controller didnt actually have bumpers. The White and Black buttons would become LB and RB on 360 controllers onward, their function in Doom being context sensitive in the same way as the plus and minus keys in the DOS version

Doom 64 is fascinating to me and has become particularly iconic to me in that while I really don't like to *play* it, the vibe it has is so intense and distinct. Like, it feels a lot like a proper horror game, and some of the traps are cruel like a horror game, but the action doesn't *play* like a horror game.

i love the myhouse reference in the music being off

I was hoping you'd mention the XBLA/PSN ports from the late '00s as they had quite a few quirks of their own: - First official console ports to support online multiplayer - Music was played through Gravis Ultra Sound patches so it sounds different (and was four beats slow like the Xbox port) - First appearance of "No Rest for the Living" episode in Doom 2 - Doom 2 med kits have red pills instead of crosses - No cheats at all I think they would fit your own reasoning of being different enough from the original to warrant a mention. Plus, the only ways to obtain them now are by pirating, or through the Doom 3 BFG Edition (which itself is delisted from online stores and isn't sold new anymore)

@cannedbeverage7687

3 ай бұрын

The PSN version specifically was the first and only time the Master Levels were officially compiled into an episode. You don't get that in the BFG Edition. As for why he didn't put it here, probably because it's a souped up version of the Xbox port, with many of the same problems (but not all thankfully) and minor improvements. Later the id Tech 4 shell was stripped out in favor of Unity which is where the current bloated modern port comes from (both games with all addons are more than a gigabyte, which is a big deal on phones).

@DeafeningCha

3 ай бұрын

@@cannedbeverage7687I didn't mention the Master Levels. No Rest for the Living was specifically developed for the Xbox 360 port of Doom 2. Technically it isn't an episode, but a set of 9 new levels that can be selected separately from the main campaign. It definitely appears on the BFG Edition. It's not because they were too similar to the Xbox port, otherwise the 32X and 3DO versions wouldn't have been mentioned because they're just better/worse ports of the Jaguar code base. He said it's because ports after Xbox are too similar to the PC versions, which I think is incorrect as the Xbox port was more accurate to the original than the XBLA/PSN ports, all things considered. Perhaps he didn't want to have to track down a BFG disc or use emulators, which I understand.

@cannedbeverage7687

3 ай бұрын

@@DeafeningCha I mostly just wrote that comment so if someone who doesn't know about the port gets to know more about it. I know you didn't mention the Master Levels, I only wrote because it's unique to the PSN version (that kinda makes it special or something). Doom Classic (the name of thing) was based off the Xbox port, Vicarious Visions worked on both, with Nerve Software joining along for the X360 and continuing to work on the game till this day with the Unity version. 32X and 3DO ports however were made by totally different developers and have nothing in common apart from the Jaguar base. That's the difference between this pair and Xbox + X360.

@DeafeningCha

3 ай бұрын

@@cannedbeverage7687 Everything we've mentioned sounds to me like it'd be worth putting in

DOOM 64 a masterpiece that flew under the radar.

@RacingStripeAV

3 ай бұрын

I wonder if it was because it had that particular name and people took it to mean "another port of Doom, this time on the N64", and by that point the PS1 port (and also to an extent the Saturn port) was already out. Perhaps if it had a different name, it might have performed better - heck, the developers already put in their own graphics for D64, they could have even made the enemies look completely original and instead made the game its own original thing a-là Strife or any other total conversion/megawad out there.

@GTXDash

3 ай бұрын

Well, modern Id Software now has retroactively made Doom 64 narratively the third official game in the series. So, all's well that ends well. 😊

@morgus9215

3 ай бұрын

Eh not really under the radar, the re-release by Nightdive brought more players to Doom 64 and there's a massive amount of custom content made for it

@morgus9215

3 ай бұрын

Eh not really under the radar, the re-release by Nightdive brought more players to Doom 64 and there's a massive amount of custom content made for it

@METAL1ON

3 ай бұрын

@@morgus9215 I mean when it originally came out.

Gregor is a lovely chap who is active on Instagram and Reddit, and was kind enough to sign some of my Doom and Doom 64 stuff last year, and a poster for Doom 1 on behalf of his amazing late father ❤

The Doom 64 part of the video had me cranking up the lighting and still not seeing anything. But it's funny how these ports that become a completely new game end up being ported back to the PC etc. Auntie Christ! That was really funny! Thanks for the very in-depth analysis video!

At 8:35, the sister of the mother demon is referred to as the "Auntie Christ". Brilliant

I've been waiting for this episode just for the GBA version! There's a super good hack you can get for it that restores the sounds, music, blood, colour palette, save system, and changes the UI to match the PC version. They even got it to run better! It's kinda cool what a hack can do for it, and I wonder if that would have been the version released properly if the devs sat on the idea for long enough.

That Auntie Christ joke is the best one I've heard so far this year.🤣

Doom GBA's music has always fascinated me, with it's slightly odd truncated remixes of the classic themes. Will also mention that they're in the correct order in game, just most them play a level early; they are then correct from Pandemonium onwards, due to Slough of Despair being absent from that port. At Doom's Gate plays in the secret level for some reason, while Hiding The Secrets is apparently present in memory, but goes unused

absolutely loved this series

These analytical vids are my favorite you do! Loved this series.

I love these videos, could keep me entertained for bloody ages

been loving this series so far, love learning about the histories of these different ports. i know a lot about the DOS version and a handful of its sourceports, but it's been so cool learning about its offshoots

Surprisingly, the most impactful part of this video to me is the last 90 seconds: not because the rest isn't interesting but I'm pretty familiar with what was done for Doom 64 (it being standalone appreciated) and the infamous Xbox levels being mocked about till this day. Seeing the enormous list at 20:12 made me appreciate the huge community this game still has, and the fact that the >original< FPS benchmark is somehow still relevant after its 30-year anniversary. Evident is the notorious wad released last year that was not so subtlety referenced to in this video (and yes, that Running From Evil DOES sound weird) and all the derivatives of it, almost creating a new genre as is. Thanks for going through these David, quite a bit was actually not new but still presented with a good sense of humor (Auntiechrist ffs 😂) and fast but eligible pace.

@Saxdude26

2 ай бұрын

Wholeheartedly agree with everything said here.

Bravo. Really enjoyed your professional presentation and will be checking out parts 1 and 2.

I have the PS4 re-releases of the classic Doom games, and they're fantastic. The only thing I'd add is the option to toggle the PS1 lighting effects, and the option to choose the music from the various 90s console ports (namely SNES, PS1, or 3DO).

For the best Doom64 experience back then, you had to have the n64 mini pad from hori. Switches postion of the D-pad and the analog stick, gets rid of the center horn and the Z button, and just makes the Z to an L2 and R2 Trigger instead.

Great vid. You didn't talk about the Doom II port to GBA, though, which was even better than the Doom port. It had all the maps, all the enemies and items, and other than still being based on Jaguar and thus having some simplified geometry, is a very good and underrated port. However, it did have a strange issue with armor values effectively resetting each map.

Great depth of info here. Really cool. :)

you're doing the lord's work, david

love your video keep up the good work David i am a new subscriber :)

Excellent video! One nitpick: You said all the console ports had cheats, but the SNES one actually didn't! Much to my frustration as a kid, because I really loved using cheats in every game I could at the time, haha.

@DavidXNewton

3 ай бұрын

Ah, you’re right! I had to slog through the whole thing to get the footage :)

You can find the Mother Demon's baby in Doom 2016.

Great video! Always nice to see more people discovering Doom 64, which has my favorite campaign of all the commercial releases (Doom and Doom 2 have higher highs, but much lower lows, and I love Doom 64's consistency and coherency). Also, as others have mentioned, Doom 2 for the GBA included the Icon of Sin as well, and it released in 2002. It's a significantly different port from the first one and well worth looking into.

Doom 64 really does lend itself to having a Doom 2.5 pseudo title, truly meaning it's fair to say we have three classic and three modern Doom entries, and that AUNTY-Christ joke was freaking hilarious. Also the GBA version is a stanggering achievement from a time where GBA ports could be a coin flip between impressive or embarassing. But the Doom 3 (and BFG) version was the first copy I owned for myself after I left high school, so it's wild that the end of this flow chart is where I myself owned a copy that wasn't on the family computer.

"The Aunty Christ" Yep. That's a bullseye. 😂😂

What I like about Doom 64 is that it's implied to be canon to Doom 2016. So it's Doom 1, 2, 64, '16, Eternal. And in the last of the Lost Levels, there's a quote from the Slayer's Testament just to make that implication more explicit.

The Doom version of "The Bad Place" was actually done before Quake, and was made by American McGee! Not sure about the rest of the deathmatch maps, they might be lifted from other 90s maps because they definitely don't feel like they have the standardization most deathmatch maps have nowadays.

There was the PS3 port: DOOM The Classic Complete (released in 2012). It features all Doom commercial releases (including Master Levels for Doom II, Final Doom and No Rest For The Living. It was a great port.

Believe it or not, Doom 64 was the first Doom game I played. I rented it from my local video rental store initially thinking it was a port and young me wanted to see why Doom is so loved. Color me surprised when I began playing and it wasn’t what I had heard about in all the magazines or Internet forums posts, but I still fell in love with its atmosphere, fun weapon selection, and monsters with memorable designs. Fact it’s now considered part of the same canon with Doom 2016 and Eternal has me quite happy, seeing an old favorite still being recognized by the devs. I actually still have my Doom 64 cartridge too, bought it from that same rental store when they were going out of business in the mid 00s.

Also, in the Xbox version of Doom 3. If you play Ultimate Doom, regardless of episode. The skybox will always have those grassy Chinese mountains found in episode 1, which is a bug. However, Activision reviewed those criticisms and said it's not a bug, claiming that Doom takes place entirely on Mars, which is false, because episode 1 takes place in the Martian moon of Phobos. Episode 2 takes place in Phobos's brother Deimos, which has been conquered by hell spawn and it was hovering above Hell. Episode 3 takes place in, you guessed it, Hell. And the last official episode, episode 4 takes place in a different level of Hell or rather purgatory.

The two extra maps from the Xbox Doom 1 & 2 Sewers and Betray feel more like "The Rejected Levels". (17:57)

Aww man, I loved this little series, but ya missed Doom 2 for the GBA I mean, they made a new engine from scratch just for it. Maybe make an addendum video video with additional details not mentioned in the first three, yes? EDIT: And then there's also the XBox 360 version which gave us "No Rest for The Living", which got included in Doom 3: BFG Edition on PC and PSN later, just around Doom Classic Complete being a thing, which is the DOSBox based releaes we see on Steam today. And that's matters too because the source code geneology leads us from Original Source Code -> Xbox -> Xbox 360 -> Classic Complete -> Unity

I'd forgotten that sound pitch-shifting was in the Xbox version, which is weird considering how disconcerting I found it when it was reintroduced in the initial release of the modern console ports (fortunately they introduced an option to turn it off).

Good vid

Also note on the game that was ommitted - Doom 2 also had its own port on GBA, made by different company on a custom engine, and has some interesting new features (like a message on showing a secret, or a true height collision detection, letting you walk under flying enemies).

To be honest, I was kinda hoping for a ranking of the ports, as I did enjoy that part of your Prince of Persia videos. Then again, I suppose there really wasn't a Doom port as bad as the NES port of PoP, so maybe you didn't feel the need to give the games another round of dry criticism. Still, a great video! If you were to do another big video essay about Doom, I think it would be interesting to learn the history of Doom modding, starting from early attempts, going through the prominent tools and WADs, and talking about the scene as it is today.

9:39 ... Wait, there's a Commander Keen game on the GBC???

Having seen all those, I'd say the PSX and N64 games are the most interesting, and the SNES and GBA the most surprising technically (despite the flaws). It's sad in a way to indeed think that nowadays, despite some folks still thinking the console wars is not finished, it is : the hardwares are close enough to be similar to slightly differently specced PC... so the hardware no longer matters much. And the two recent Doom games are very similar on consoles and PC, except the lack of mouse on the console ports :p

@wesleybcrowen

3 ай бұрын

Go to any of recent Digital Foundry's videos' comments section to see that, indeed, console wars are still a thing (even if its extra pathetic).

@cmdrDiscoCat

3 ай бұрын

@@wesleybcrowenOh well I'll avoid comments there then :D

10:50: So we basically have Nickelodeon slime blood now. XD Actually, considering what they make the slime out of (food grade edible ingredients), it looks pretty tasty.

Great trilogy of videos. What irks me about the Bethesda version is the white flash every time you pick up an item x_x

I just wanna say, I am so very happy that you got the chance to touch upon "Linux _Doom"_ for a moment. That is, in fact, the darn-near definitive base for almost all fan ports. Also, I'm super-happy you talked about the sound pitch thing. I really like that feature and I'm glad unofficial source ports often give players the option to turn it back on. All-and-all, this has been a fun ride and I'm glad I stumbled upon Part 1 when I did. Thank you so much for putting in he work and gathering the information, Bunny! (… wait. "Bunny"? Hey, are you related to the late "Daisy", by chance? (; )

One interesting quirk of the Original Xbox port of Classic DOOM was it's framerate Original PC versions were designed to run at 35fps (Since CRT monitors back then used to run at 70Hz) However the Xbox port forces a 30fps limiter (TVs ran at 60Hz) on the game and hence feels jittery as the game tries to render at 35fps but is forced to wait 1/30th sec intervals instead of 1/35th sec ones (SOURCE: DF Retro: Doom - Every Console Port Tested and Analysed! by Digital Foundry) Also interesting with the xbox port is that you can actually give input to the game while the level is "loading" (what I mean is the loading melt screen). On the PC version, your input is locked out till the screen melt loading is finished. However on the xbox port since this lockout is absent, you can actually move, shoot, etc. which can lead to a jarring start where the game renderer skips to show the current state. (SOURCE: Speedruns Of AWESOME Doom Ports! by Karl Jobst)

The music on Doom 1 GBA was actually just shifted back one and wrapped around, so At Doom's Gate is on the last level, The Imp's Song is on level 1, Dark Halls is on level 2, so on and so forth

THE COLOUR VALUE OF CHRIST

Doom 64 feels SO nice with the Brawler64...

8:36 pleased with that joke are you

A proposal for using the N64 controller for Doom 64. Movement: Analog Stick Fire: Z Activate: A Sprint: B Cycle Weapon Left: D-Pad Left, C-Pad Left Cycle Weapon Right: D-Pad Right, C-Pad Right Strafe Left: L Strafe Right: R Map: C-Pad Up

The way I play N64 shooters is left thumb on d-pad for moving and strafing as if it's WASD, right thumb on a stick for looking like it's on the right stick of regular controllers, and quickly reaching for B and A for actions and weapon switching, Z to fire and L can be whatever, rarely do I need to break my right hand to reach C-buttons unless it's a weird freak like Turok. Doom 64 allows you to remap buttons to what you want but unfortunately you cannot disable Y-axis movement on the stick, which makes Hectic annoying.

Doom 64: Man calling this a port is almost disingenuous and a misnomer. Yeah the gameplay is the same but the mapset and graphics are entirely different, it has a new plot set after the originals and adds the rather phenomenal-when-powered up Unmaker. Honestly even with the horror atmosphere I love it like the rest. Its a shame the game's name told everyone it was yet another port instead of a massively new experience. If it was allowed to be called "The Absolution" it would have fared a bit better. I'm so glad Id and Nightdive modernized it, freed it from that ungodly N64 controller and brought it to PC officially along with current gen systems. And ESPECIALLY massive props to Samuel "Kaiser" Villarreal for basically porting it to PC THREE times. Okay that TC thing was weird but 64 EX was fantastic and the remastered version proves he still knows what he's doing, and he's the man to go to for remastered FPS games. Go get the PowerSlave remaster its lovely. Still wish he'd have officially ported his old Outcast mapset from the Absolution TC to the remaster tho. Also, "Auntie"-Christ, BEAUTIFUL. GBA: My resentment for this port is large and painful. Imagine liking Doom on an old PC inherited from your sister and wanting it on your bright new shiny GBA that your parents got you for christmas. That's me. Imagine reading that Doom was on GBA and being mega excited. Oh hell yeah, awesome shooter being brought to my GBA, fuck yes! Now imagine you finally get it and its just the fucking Jaguar mapset right down to ending with Fortress of Mystery (renamed to "Dis" because fuck you), the "Tower of Babel" is just that Hell Gat elevel undoing all the good the PSX port did and there's no cyberdemon to fight. Or at all in that version. Or the Spider-Mind. And the music is played on the wrong levels and sounds pretty bad. Hell the GBA can take the original PC port if effort is put into it, there's a romhack that proves it. I heard Carmack stepped in and made David A Palmer base it of fof the Jaguar instead of their own engine proving Carmack ain't quite the perfection Civvie thought he was. Has Carmack apologized for GBA Doom yet? Look I'm sorry I sound so fucking salty but it still hurts. GBA Doom 2 was pretty ambitious and fun tho. And Switch Doom's made the GBA port irrelevant. Xbox: Never tried this one but I've watched videos on it by a variety of guys. So glad that by this point consoles finally started getting the PC version as close as possible even if it had its own problems. I bet in 2003 an Xbox and Collector's Edition Doom 3 woulda been a godsend. Those two exclusive secret levels, "Sewers" and "Betray" were kinda shit tho. Fucking up the skybox and claiming the entire game is on Mars is also a sadly typical Activision dumbass move too.

Apparently the man working on the gba port had a 95% complete version of the game on an original engine but after Carmack dug up the old jaguar code he effectively forced him to abandon his custom engine version and use the jaguar version instead. Which he said lead to what he believes to be an inferior product.

Never knew Doom 64 was meant to be a port. It's really just an entirely new game. Great move on their part though, considering the source code came out the same year. Strange to think how quickly Doom got stale in the eyes of the general public.

DOOM N64 is a beautiful piece of work. DOOM 64 is not as good as its missing assets from original version. DOOM 64 Absolution is also missing assets. This leaves me with one option which is to make my own version of DOOM N64 for modern source ports. ATM I’m making 3DO DOOM for modern source ports so N64 DOOM will have to wait.

Will you be doing the GBA version of Doom 2? It's by a different developer from Doom 1 GBA, Torus Games. They used their in-house 3D engine to port it, so there's a lot of subtle differences that might be worth pointing out.

Great vid, but what about Doom 2 for the gba? It's on a the same engine as Duke Nukem Advance, had new sections of some levels, and the first time we got all the Doom 2 levels on a console.

4:31 he's trying his best, ok? :(

There is actually TWO new monsters in Doom 64. The mentioned Broodmother, and the Nightmare Imp (which is a stronger Imp version with a recolored sprite). So maybe 1.5 new monsters.

@Super.Whimsy

3 ай бұрын

He says this. 😅

@DoggoneNexus

3 ай бұрын

4:39

"The Auntie Christ"

i get it, auntie christ

Honestly, I would've loved Midway to handle the PS1 port. Miniature cartridge size didn't let them do justice to a lot of ideas they had for Doom 64.

Video games don’t cause violence…people do!

8:35 I see what you did there.

The GBA doesn't actually have sound hardware, rather the game and music fight for cpu cycles.

2:20 growing an extra arm 💀💀 Also you missed out on Doom 2 GBA

Could you do something similar for Quake ?

What about the gba version of doom 2?

Cute bnuuy.

Doom 64 isn't a port, it's an entirely different game.

Doom 64 is best played in a dark room.

Why are you a furry

@DavidXNewton

3 ай бұрын

Why aren’t you?

@wussup12345

3 ай бұрын

@@DavidXNewton I am normal

Love the myhouse.wad reference