King Kong Gun and Kong Gun are very different punches. Chapter 871 (Page 8): Luffy uses the "Kong Gun" punch against Big Mom. Luffy doesn't say the name of the punch, but in Chapter 784 (pgs. 10-11), Luffy uses the same attack against Doflamingo. Chapter 790 (pgs. 16-18): Luffy uses the "King Kong Gun" against Doflamingo. Not only does Luffy break through Doffy's Haki-infused Devil Fruit awakening, but he also breaks the entire city under their clash. Point being. These are 2 different attacks that greatly differ in power and are not the same attack.

@MidTeirHuman

4 ай бұрын

Luffy gum gum pistol from the start of the series and current is vastly different the longer things on on the stronger luffy and the rest of his attacks get

@Rdc_Dom

4 ай бұрын

But your comparing a Dressrossa G4 Luffy to a post whole cake Luffy. A Luffy that's dozens of times stronger than what he was before.

@kingtrickster9545

4 ай бұрын

@@Rdc_Dom luffy isn’t really that much stronger after whole cake island the only thing improved was his advanced observation haki and making his gas tank? But probably not by much if at all

@Luffymynika11

4 ай бұрын

Luffy had haki bloom vs cracker after destroying doffy in g4 and he still got 1tap by bm blocking his attack with only basic haki leaving him defenseless unable to use haki as Sanji carried him😂

@shawnlord3419

4 ай бұрын

The fact you think King Kong gun pre udon training luffy can do anything to big mom shows how much cope y’all are inhaling

The fact that this discussion lasted 12 minutes is scary

“Take away law what happens” is such a stupid argument. Take Kidd away law is not winning either

@narcodixyadigg781

4 ай бұрын

THANK YOU

@worthyedge9307

4 ай бұрын

Exactlyyy The point was that they were complementing each other's strengths and making up for each other's weaknesses 😂

@michaelcabrera6

3 ай бұрын

I think they did that just to compare the strength of their individual attacks.

@sportmemer3178

2 ай бұрын

Exactly the point, none of them are that guy

Doffy got blitzed by Gear 4 Luffy, Kid ate point blank attacks from Misery Kid was heavily damaging Big Mom. Whether you wanna argue who broke her arm or who did more in the fight, doesn’t matter. Making her take you seriously is more impressive than Doffy beating up pre-awakened Law or sub Gear 4 Luffy imho

@kobeballer

3 ай бұрын

Misery almost killed him lol I wouldn't call that "ate"

@gommey

3 ай бұрын

kidd tanked that attack stupi d, he was still standing then right after he used damned punk kidd >>> doffy

@Yadanisss

3 ай бұрын

He was also controlling a bird cage surrounding the whole of dressrosa ,technically he was fighting off zoro ,fujitora ,the straw hat grand fleet and all the others at the same time .

Ain't no way we're debating kid vs doffy, doffy is barely commander level, I'm not a kid fan but this is ridiculous.

@Kekkersboy

4 ай бұрын

Not even close to command level

@IFoundTheTwoPiece

4 ай бұрын

I agree that kid is stronger than doffy, but it’s not wild to bring it up. Doffy has better devil fruit mastery, better haki, combat skill, and experience. Kidd just happens to have the AP to take him down

@mgs142

4 ай бұрын

Here's a thought during dressrosa which is 4 arcs ago Law got washed by Doffy, during Zou Law did not have any battles and during Wano he was hiding out maybe training his DF to unlock awakening cause he did not use it on Doffy. I'm gonna say at this point they could fight Doffy to a draw. But overcoming him I find that hard to believe.

@vlr9442

4 ай бұрын

Doffy turns everything to string what kid gonna to do?​@@IFoundTheTwoPiece

@gsmoneybabyxxl7575

4 ай бұрын

Doffy was a Warlord and they are relatively comparable to commanders… Plus his Haki, DF are way more versatile than kid’s whole skill set

this was one yalls worst debates, the amount of cope to think doffy can replicate anything Kidd was doing is insane, yall just overlook kidds feats bad, he has a lot going for him, especially in durability, but in terms of helping law beat big mom, its just a joke of an argument

@gsphil414

4 ай бұрын

Their is no reality where bm punches doffy and is suprised as he turns while being hit 😭😭😭😭 or is angry enough at doffy to search for him and kill him lol bm washes doffy so hard without taking him slightly serious.

@J_Angs

4 ай бұрын

Yep the overhype for doffy is real crazy! They tried to say Big mom would have got up from kidd beam attack but it's the fact that he was even able hold down a yonko and had the strength to tossed Kaido in the first place is underrated

@BrainDamage4436

4 ай бұрын

I just wanna know like law couldnt beat doffy right? And he went to zou then wano and boom law could beat doffy now? Because hes definitely a little stronger but doffy took two round with gear 4 luffy while keeping the birdcage up after beating law. I know it wasnt recent but like? I just dont see it bro and kid is bout equal to law so. If anything its extreme diff either way i think great debate

@J_Angs

4 ай бұрын

@@BrainDamage4436 There's some missing Training arc/context for law but you gotta assume just how we saw Luffy & strawhats fight and grew stronger, the same happened to law. G4 Luffy in Dressrosa is not the same lvl as G4 Wano. You saw how Luffy struggled against Cracker in early WCI then was able to match Katakuri who's a 1st commander. Rayleigh mentioned similar specific on Haki blooming and the stronger opponents you fight the better you become. So you can assume if Doffy comes back into the story he'll be a lot stronger too. Also back to Law, he does fight with Hawkins in the early parts of Wano so you can assume he grew after that fight and after roofpiece against 2 Yonko. So it isn't far fetched to say Doffy is no match for law/kid at this time due to their growth over last few arc....

@Tobanator1

4 ай бұрын

stop sleeping on kid

wtf is this….. kaido called doffy weak… kid broke big moms arm…. Let that sink in

@langadube9611

4 ай бұрын

Didn't Big Mom give more credit to Law for the broken arm.

@noname8650

4 ай бұрын

@@langadube9611 Law broke her ribs with Shock Wille, Kid broke her arm with Punk Corna Dio

@langadube9611

4 ай бұрын

@@noname8650Laws's sword phased or cut through Big Mom before Kids Bull hit Big Mom that apparently broke her arm, BIg Mom didn't acknowledge Kids's attack but she did acknowledge Laws.

@kaikage6060

4 ай бұрын

​@@noname8650she credited law for her broken arm and ribs. His shock willie was weakening her from inside

@noname8650

4 ай бұрын

@@kaikage6060 she only credited law for the broken ribs, she tried to use her arm to block/stop kid, same arm got broken

doflamingo would intimated by big mom and lose instantly imo.

@kjk607

4 ай бұрын

Facts

@ahmedadel-tz2bj

4 ай бұрын

Nice joke

@silverrose1933

4 ай бұрын

​@ahmedadel-tz2bj you think doffy isn't scared of big mom or that he wouldn't lose to big mom? Either way you're wrong

@ahmedadel-tz2bj

4 ай бұрын

@@silverrose1933 i am not comparing doffi to big mom here

@silverrose1933

4 ай бұрын

@@ahmedadel-tz2bj I didn't say you were. You said their 2 points were a joke, so I was wondering which part you didn't agree with

It's a simple question can doffy put out the same power as kid did the answer is NO

@solidkwon

4 ай бұрын

Why does he need to put out the same power? Kidd is nowhere near as durable as Big Mom

@chiefmike3176

4 ай бұрын

@@solidkwon if there attacks go head on against each other that just prooves kidds attack stronger because big mom is so durable dofy couldn't do as much damage as kidd did to big mom

@chiefmike3176

4 ай бұрын

@@solidkwon now if dofy manages to hit kidd is another story because like you said kidd isn't as durable as big mom

@Knull575

3 ай бұрын

​@@chiefmike3176well yeah Kidd isn't as durable as Big Mom BUT Kidd was durable enough to take multiple of Big Moms attacks... Just going off the head here, Kidd took: A fulgora lightning attack head on A Mama raid attack (that lightning sword technique) A Elbaf Spear attack And a 3000 leagues of misery attack from Big Mom I don't think Doffy is taking any of those attacks

Kids rail gun has enough destructive power that shanks felt it necessary to use a named attack. It’s 100% stronger than gear 4 King Kong gun. One of y’all mentioned that law isn’t fully utilizing his fruit the same can be said for kid and luffy. Neither of the 3 rookies is in their prime and they all are at the moment stronger than doflamingo who is in his prime.

@jaahman0098

Ай бұрын

Because he was concerned for his weak fleet. Shanks himself was not concerned by the attack

By some of this guys logic even buggy can beat Kaido 🤦🏾‍♂️

Kidd waxes Doffy

@gommey

3 ай бұрын

kidd would stick doffy to the fridge on his ship 💯

One shot by kid the disrespect needs to stop

Love rewatching these. The pod is a main event of my week. You gotta have the guest back frfrfrfr

Luffy in WCI gear 4 literally got one shot by big mom at the wedding when she was in hunger mode. Doffy got wiped by a weaker gear 4, he’s a non factor if he fights her

@worthyedge9307

4 ай бұрын

Not to mention that big mom one shot wci luffy by BLOCKING Now that is disrespectful and shows that doffy would literally be a non issue for big mom.

@nolans1675

4 ай бұрын

@@worthyedge9307 😂💀💀💀exactly man. I really like this pod and everyone on it but Larry hates Kidd so much for some reason he’s delusional towards him now.

Kid one shots doffys haki is dogshit compared to bm if she couldn’t negate his df awakening neither can doffy he’s getting turned into a magnet and crushed like a ball since his haki is so weak in comparison to bm’s . Kid can tank any attack bro throws tenjin mama raid and ikoku sovereignty all scale light years above anything doffy can muster. One s and n and doffy is legit immobilized getting punched over and over again.

Saying that Doffy competed with King Kong Gun is irrelevant bc that was a King Kong Gun from Dressrosa. There’s no way you think that Dressrosa Luffy is doing what Kid did to Big Mom.

@silverrose1933

4 ай бұрын

Fr. Also the "struggle" they had was anime only, in the manga luffy tore through his strings instantly

@worthyedge9307

4 ай бұрын

Exactly. Big mom embarrassed luffy in whole cake when she one shot him by BLOCKING (now thats a disrespectful feat that people don't talk about enough). Aint no way people are even discussing this.

@heavenlyking8386

4 ай бұрын

That king Kong gun was still strong enough to split a country in half. So I mean it was still impressive. Plus kids recent showing leaves him in the trash.

@worthyedge9307

4 ай бұрын

@@heavenlyking8386 wdym? We know for a fact that pre wano kidd is at LEAST sweet general level, and he got a ponegliff rubbing from tottoland. Big moms territory is one of the hardest places to just get into in the whole series so far. And his showing against shanks doesn't make him trash. We still have other feats for him that are actually impressive. People just ignore that for the shanks hype and to have a reason to clown on kidd. We also forget that we don't really have a full scope of where shanks stands compared to a lot of the characters. Kidd was one shot but we don't know how many characters that could've also happened to, especially since something important is that kidd is very durable Nothing from shanks shows that kidd wouldn't be able to at least beat doffy.

@heavenlyking8386

3 ай бұрын

@worthyedge9307 we have feats where he's helping actual fighters, yeah, but other than being Laws best friend, kid didn't really do much of anything at all. I mean, even Franky has his moment against big mom. Kids haki os absolutely garbage. Hos devil fruit is his greatest clutch. He is specifically the thing Kaido was speaking against. Devil fruit users who don't build their haki and rely on devil fruits too much. It's why he's such a bum. USELESS CAPTAIN MID

these man hv finally lost their minds if they saying doffy stronger than kid 💀💀💀

The 🥅 shifts that happen in this convo is wild 😭😭

Hey guys . Doffy CANNOT generate the amount of power to bring down BIG MOM at all. Yeah Doffy got all 3 types of Haki but he ain’t durable as Kid. In a fact I kind blame ODA for not portraying Kid much more in the story and not showing us his Conqueror Haki or his Advanced form . Doffy even after the timeskip is nowhere Kid’s level imo as good and experienced fighter he is . Kid over Doffy high diff ❤. As for what Seb said I think Kid doesn’t defeat Beckman, King and Katakuri, Zoro but all others commanders he might defeat them

@kingtrickster9545

4 ай бұрын

Naw Oda did his thing he’s letting us know kid is trash and will never be king of the pirates on even close. Because he’s trash

@vampiranya9939

4 ай бұрын

​@@kingtrickster9545if that was the case, he wouldn't be alongside Law putting down one of the emperors and wouldn't give him 3 bill bounty. There's no other candidates for something of a new gen Shiki.

@PKJackboi

4 ай бұрын

Kid is luffy if he had no mentor during his pirate career. He has all 3 forms of haki but he barely uses it, let alone trains it. But he still managed to be one of the strongest characters in the verse. Only commanders I see he can't beat is ben beckman, and katakuri.

@kingtrickster9545

4 ай бұрын

@@PKJackboi shanks,Kaido,big mom fujitora,kizaru, akainu, luffy, zoro (probably sanji but unsure on this) law Blackbeard,king,the 5 elders,Kuzan,garp,Ben Beckmann,Sabo,sengoku,crocodile,mihawk, we haven’t seen dragon fight but there’s a very good chance he’s stronger than useless mid, katakuri, perospero and definitely some others I’m missing some others but I know bro isn’t even in top 30 in verse and he’s done nothing to prove he should be. He’s done nothing impressive so far especially for someone who’s supposed to be luffys rival in his age group

@PKJackboi

4 ай бұрын

@@kingtrickster9545 if you really think that then you just hate kid for the sake of hating kid. He washes atleast half the people you mentioned.

Nah I gotta be honest the kid slander just comes off so disingenuous and just seems like hating on a character you don’t like. Kidd completely switched Shanks’ attitude about him because of one future vision, shanks went from joking with his crew and giving fake threats to getting shook and having to deal with Kidd personally.

Might as well change the channels name to "The Two Piece Talk"

@Zack-pm2tu

4 ай бұрын

Three Piece with a biscuit

Kid bodies Doffy stop it. Nothing in Doffys arsenal is holding a candle to Kid. The only reason people think otherwise is them still having bias about the Big Mom fight and thinking they only pushed her. The fact of the matter is Big Mom took Corna Dio head on, and it broke her arm if shes grounded and took Damned Punk. She's getting blown back and breaking a lot more than that. Doffy could never.

Ill never understand the amount of glazing the fandom gives doflamingo

Kid beats Doffy… most people in the one piece verse not getting up from that assign attack.

All it takes is kidd to say “Assign” and “repel” and Doffy is In the sea. Because he isnt a stronger haki user than kidd. (If you think he is then its cope because kidd was fighting kaido while Luffy was fighting all these other guys

I’m sorry but basic power scaling says dressrosa luffy is stronger than doffy. And that luffy doesn’t hold a candle to even post whole cake luffy, much less roof top luffy and kid

Kid fucks up Doffy ngl

Craziness, Doffy would get strung up.

This shouldn’t really be a debate

Kidd stopped Hera from helping Big Mom, I'm pretty sure he trapped her in that metal box didn't he? I really don't think Law and Doffy could have beat Big Mom, there's a good chance Hera would have flew down and saved her because she wouldn't have been trapped by Kidd if they did knock her off anyways

I LIVE for these kinda debates!!!

On Paper Doffy is a better, more skilled and versatile fighter than kid… But kid only wins cause he got stronger while Doffy is locked up and chained down in impel down

@shihoblade

4 ай бұрын

What paper you reading? LoL. Doffy aint even yonko commander level, he hasnt even taken his first steps into a conversation about Kid.

@Eden0211

4 ай бұрын

​@@shihobladeDoffy beats Jack.

@ioffendedyoudidnti4784

4 ай бұрын

@@Eden0211🤣🤣🤣🤣

@xdrago5602

4 ай бұрын

@@Eden0211 Kaido disagrees with you

Depends if kiddo can destroy bird cage, there was a ton of characters there just to stop it for a sec, and that’s just the default not consciously controlled by doffy (since he was fighting luffy). Doffy could probably control it to be faster

Kid may be trash compared to the top players but that don't mean y'all can praise Doffy when he's gonna perform worse💀💀

Seb brought out the amazing points about Kidd's feats compared to Doffy. Doffy has a tactical kind of devil fruit, he wouldn't last a minute against Big Mom or Kaido. Yes he has more Haki feats, but Haki isn't perfect. We've seen that raw power can STILL overpower Haki (Luffy VS Door Door Fruit dude and Big Mom's raw strength against Gear 4). Kidd has that strength and durability, but he does lack in the Haki department, and that will keep him from being top 15 in my book. Giving Kidd props doesn't take away from anyone, people be crazy to keep him down because he was unlucky enough to run into Shanks. EDIT: It would be crime to forget that WITHOUT HAKI, Kidd was able to physically hurt Big Mom with attacks before using the rail gun. He was about to push out enough physical force, that it hurt BIG MOM, the woman who's durability is more legendary than Kaido's.

Ngl I don’t really like this podcast so I just stopped watching them but then I came back for one sec just to see what the type of nonsense I left in the first place. You have 5 people who are Zoro fans and just talk about the worst takes, first it was Sanji vs Jimbe, then it was Zoro vs big mom, then now is doffy vs Kidd?! But hey if it’s going to bring the views do it 🤷🏾‍♂️ because these worst takes especially from Larry is going bring arguments from the fanbase for no reason but hey what can I say 🤷🏾‍♂️ . Now here’s comes the die hard Zoro fans or Larry Stan’s probably coming to defend these trash takes by replying 😂

if Doffy had an attack as strong as Kids he wouldn’t have lost to Luffy at that point & would be considered on the same level as Kidd,Law, etc

The editing in these clips are too funny

Kid High Diff Outta Respect For Doffy😬

Crazy 5v1 and the 1 is correct. Big mom couldn’t counter because of laws silence, she needs to speak to use it effectively, plus she was still internally damaged from law. And before that she just thought she could power through it, not realizing their plan. Take away laws help kid is not doing anything. Frfr soul pocus would probably end him if she did it at after Hera.

I love these videos lmao. Its almost always heated when Kidd is involved its hilarious

Yall let the Kid hate lead to straight up ignorance

He wouldn’t need to replicate kidds attack power he’d just turn the floor to string and she’d fall through

Yo the tension between larry and seb is CRAZY...fire edits once again tho

I mean, do any of yall see Kidd taking a gamma knife and putting his body back together?

You gotta understand. Certain characters giving the match up can two v one certain. Not all. Yonkou.

Going off feats Kid beats Doffy as easily as he was beaten by Shanks. Short summary of main argument: Kid's feats have him relative in speed to amped Big Mum so he easily blitzes Doffy. He also has higher AP on basic attacks than the gear 4 attacks Luffy was overwhelming Doffy with. Finally, Kaido includes Kid among people he views as "monsters in their own right" but sees Doffy as a weakling. Main argument, with feats to prove: Doffy got overwhelmed by Dressrosa Gear 4 until his awakening and even after that gear 4 was still stronger. That sets our base line. If Kid beats Dressrosa Gear 4 - a form that is literally just speed and power, then he beats Doffy. A stronger gear 4 in whole cake would later use a kong bazooka on Big Mum but would not even budge her and couldn't leave any damage. A stronger gear 4 than that form then gets blitzed by base Kaido. This establishes 3 things: 1. A stronger Luffy than the one who beat Doffy couldn't do any damage to base Big Mum. 2. A much stronger Luffy than the one who beat Doffy was still a blitz level below base Kaido. 3. A base Kaido has the AP to one shot start of Wano Luffy. base Big Mum and base Kaido would then fight evenly for 3 days. SO: 1. Base Big Mum has speed to keep up with Kaido. By default this means she could also blitz start of wano Luffy. 2. Base Big Mum has AP capable of matching base Kaido. So she can also one shot start of Wano Luffy. - not inconsistent since she caught Marco easily and he's a character that has hit Kizaru and could hold King and Queen off in a 2v1. 3. All amped forms fo Big Mum scale above her base so anyone who can keep up with her amped forms in speed and doesn't get one shot also has higher endurance than start of Wano Luffy as well as blitz level speed above him. Now moving to Kid's feats, he tanked the majority of Big Mum's attacks which puts his endurance at a level far higher than start of Wano Luffy and by default Doffy. He also hurt amped Big Mum on multiple occasions - even with basic strikes. So his AP on basic strikes is higher whole Cake Luffy's gear 4 attack he did against Big Mum. Even if you try to say Law broke Big Mum's bones and not Kid, Big Mum actively dodges Kid's attack the next time he uses the same move - she is so afraid of the attack that she screams and lifts a building to dodge it.

@lrv55

3 ай бұрын

Best comment on the video. Also need to highlight that damned punk is no joke, it's an absurd attack power that sinked big mom. Maybe after the anime we'll see clearer what shanks saw and understand the level of destruction it can do

8:18 bro's take is she gets pushed by kid strongest attack law pushed her with a rock😂😂

Please give the editor a raise

I’m still trying to figure out how Kid’s devil fruit became like Douglas Bullet’s devil fruit.

This was such a goated ep

Okay i got two questions who'd win between law vs kidd and who did law have a tough time against?

@nearj2421

4 ай бұрын

Current Law beats doffy Same with kidd

Y’all must’ve need sum content cuz wth even is this debate

a lot of people forget that doffy was fighting gear four luffy to an almost draw after tanking a red hawk, a gama knife and using the bird cage. also doffy is fast af like yeah kidd is more durable but he doesn’t have a lot of fast attacks to pin down doffy like it’s high diff in doffy’s favor

Nah at this point you could bring a flatearther to the podcast and he‘d still be more reasonable than the doffy glazers

This might be dumb but do you guys feel the same way about Katakuri vs Kidd as it seems everyone thinks Doffy is getting sauced on

@oliwiernowakowski1613

4 ай бұрын

It would end up the same as with doff which is speed blitz and one shot. Wano powercreep is crazy

Fights aren't always won on power alone in OP. Can Doffy BFR Big Mom with Law's help? Likely.

I’m here just to listen to seb argue with his high pitched scream

what would it take to be on the channel and debate op stuff

Yall are so funny 😅😂

I don’t usually agree with Larry but he right. One piece is one of those shows where if you get caught lacking..you get caught lacking it is what it is. And big mom unfortunately got caught lacking cause of her cockiness. Kid vs doffy? Doffy because he’s more lethal, and versatile in his fruit. I don’t see kid really hitting him, more than once or twice and those two hits will be enough for doffy to be like Ight bet let me murk him Cause if it comes down to it Haki over powers abilities so…if kids Haki ain’t right then he loses the fight. Kid is YC2/YC1 level. Same as law which are strong enough to pressure yonkos but not ultimately finish them

So in Chapter 1079 Cover story we saw Luffy watering Sunflower and it was actually a lion , Maybe this means that , According to Road to laugh tale shanks was referred as Dorment Lion , So maybe Luffy watering Sunflower mistaking it for Lion , Maybe this means that Luffy is mistaking Shanks , Maybe shanks is not who Luffy thinks he is

Kidd is YC+ story wise. So i dont know what is this convo about?

@AnimeALX

3 ай бұрын

Nah Kidd and Law are both admiral level hence why they have the same bounties as the admirals.

@anonymousanon3977

3 ай бұрын

@@AnimeALX i agree. But comparing someone like Kidd who is AT LEAST YC+ to doflamingo who is maybe YC2 Or 3. Is dumbassery ngl.

Kid can use his arsonal without no metal he could just turn up into a magnet

Big mom was also powered up by extra souls to. so nah the pre awaken haki king kong gun wouldn't definitely do nuthin to powered up big mom making her unable to stop being pushed back in my opinion

We gotta stop the Doffy bias wank. Beginning of Wano Luffy hit Base Kaido in the chest with King Kong Gun and he didn’t move. That’s 2 island amps after Dressrosa and Kaido and Big Mom are comparable in dura base to base. This is an AMPED Big Mom fighting Law and Kid and he could push her back with his awakening. If Base Kaido didn’t budge from a stronger King Kong Gun than the one Doffy lost to, she’s not even gonna feel the force of Doffy’s Heavenly Strings

doffy fruit is so versatile all kid got is a beam and metal hands

u all ever wonder how the other pirates get away after luffy and his crew get send away by kuma

No one ever brings up the fact Kidd was being handicapped the entire big mom fight do to Hawkins tho

Which episode is this

In terms of just raw power and durability I have Kidd > Doffy but everything else I got Doffy. If Kidd actually used his haki more often then this wouldn't even be a debate but because he don't I can't say for sure he beats Doffy that easily.

This is pure Entertainment

1:58 About time they gave Sanji respect

Oda has plans for Kidds comeback he’ll be worth that 3 bil after he comes back with scars and long punk rock hair.

Kidd mids Duffy the point is which devil fruit is strong and its kidd

@arturw5556

4 ай бұрын

Low Diff is more likely.

But why are deciding the fight on one attack? Yeah kid has the stronger attack power but thats about it? Are we gonna pretend that doffy isnt gonna move out the way when he sees a laser coming at him? Doffy flex ability is one of his biggest attributes. Doffy awaking directly counter kid, if everything is strings what is kid gonna do ? And even if he does have metal to throw, how far does that get him against strings that can cut meteors?

I'm all up for Eustass Mid slander, but this is too much. Big mom not using haki in her final fight is a writers error, I believe might have simply forgotten about it & he knew the main event is the Kaido vs Luffy. I know kid is weak but he's almost equal to rooftop luffy before unlocking G5

Not a huge kid fan but he easily has the power. Doffy has him on combat IQ, fruit versatility and awakening mastery, but if kid plays it smart he stomps. A simple win condition would be give all the strings negative change and give doffy a positive charge. Instantly turn doffys fruit against him. No more flight or good range attacks for doffy left. It would come down to endurance and kid only tanks attacks so he got the endurance

Shanks said if kids shot that same attack it would have destroyed his whole fleet and Elbaf

People have to stop wanking Doffy, Jack says doffy is weaker than him. Kaido calls Jack strong but Doffy weak, and when Luffy fought Cracker, Cracker stated that he was sent because the Big Mom pirates know Luffy beat Doffy.

Ngl dude in the beanie had a point doffy was being fucked up from the inside with heavenly strings with at a decent strength with a touch of overheat and I think it would do what kid did not trying to downplay but people making doffy seem like he int that guy

Doffy low diff law and you cant say kidd is stronger than law and if yall give doffy the same uprgrade as crocodile he should be way stronger now.

@streeksxg

4 ай бұрын

thank you soo much lol

@Archonus

4 ай бұрын

Law got a lot stronger after Dressrosa. Awakened his DF and now has K-Room. Wano Law would cook Doffy.

@vampiranya9939

4 ай бұрын

Doffy is not stronger than current Law, you are tripping. Doffy is barely second commander lvl, while the only FIRST commander I can think of that can defeat current Law is probably Beckmen, and also Kuzan and Mihawk if we are counting them as commanders. Point. None other, not Marko, not Katakuri, not King and not even Zoro. Strawhats are not the only one who got stronger, Law did too.

@Greed2K18

4 ай бұрын

Wow let's not forget that doflamingo df hard counters Law df

@WriteWhatISee

4 ай бұрын

See the issue there is Doffy has been actively in jail since his defeat. There really isn’t much room for strength growth in that situation. Crocdile was free and moving around after he lost to Luffy and got outta jail. Time to grow and expand his strength.

Idk man, i think doffy might be able to help law ring out big mom. Less power than kid, more versatile tho for sure woth a few other pros too. I doubt he would beat kid tho at this stage even tho it would be tough for kid for sure.

@arturw5556

4 ай бұрын

Doffy doesnt even hurt Big Mum.

What does Kidd do when he’s surrounded with nothing but strings? At that point it’s just him and his “haki” Edit: Larry literally addressed this n the vid lol

@alwayslaughing2541

4 ай бұрын

Also adding that if Jinbei and Robin can send big mom flying doffy probably can too.

@RWebb-gm3kv

4 ай бұрын

If he's surrounded by string then he could just close the distance and use his awakening to keep doffy attached to the ground, big mom didn't have the physical strength to break thru the magnetism so doffy can't either and kid scales higher in speed so realistically kid can touch doffy

@kjk607

4 ай бұрын

@@RWebb-gm3kvKid scales higher in speed? Where'd you pull that stat from?

@alwayslaughing2541

4 ай бұрын

@@kjk607 agreed, Kidd is definitely of the tank archetype

@RWebb-gm3kv

4 ай бұрын

@@kjk607 kept up with big mom pretty comfortably who fought kaido for 3 days straight, doffy caps at gear 2 dressrosa Luffy because gear 4 on several occasions blitzed him

It’s in the manga that BM literally said Kidd’s Rail Gun “Tickled”… She was laughing at the attack having a full conversation 🤦🏽‍♂️

@ioffendedyoudidnti4784

4 ай бұрын

Your point ?

Nah the way shanks saw the future and had to put Kidd down so to ensure the safety of his friends is a feat. Nothing doffy can do can have shanks feel like he has to put him down

All I’m getting from this debate is that doffy can beat Kidd due environmental factors such as turning everything into string but replicating the same feat against Big Mom as Kidd would be impossible.

Bruh said circumstances don’t matter 😂😂😂

Can Doffy make Shanks prevent him from destroying his fleet in one attack

Kid above doflamingo by a good margin I don’t see any first commander breaking up a yonko the way kid did

Bro there is no way ok big mom was hold her self up right with her hands and feet and she couldn't get up due to kids attack right

Kid didn’t push Big Mom down law did kid just followed up Law attack

Larry just likes to debate atp😂😂

As much as im a fan of doffy, narritvely speaking, it should be kidd over doffy but my agenda is speaking doffy over kidd. Kidd has all 3 types of haki but he doesn't use them in battle as much and uses his df kinda like black beard. With doffy, he uses his haki in tandom with his df. Not saying hes a master of his haki or df but he and kidd are awakened df users and i gotta say, doffy with the better haki control and he actually uses it more then kidd, i gotta give it to the heavenly demon. But if yall say kiddn im not mad, hes strong as well. It could honestly go either or

@d.p.a.474

3 ай бұрын

What? Doffy gets bear by cracker. Kid and Law could fight against big mom and doffy has shat his pants in fear of kaido

I think the fight can go either way but the argument that doffy can’t replicate an attack to pin down big moments is kinda dumb. Doffy doesn’t need to replicate that attack power to hurt kidd. Whether he can or can’t doesn’t really matter.

Y’all crazy how when kiado keep him alive that means that kids was strong in kiado eyes after they fought thinking about it it was only him and killer that fought him and they both got low diff. I believe kid vs doff would differ I believe doffy wasn’t really take luffy serious until gear 4 but kid got stronger in wano so kid

No way king Kong gun is stronger than the rail gun

@WriteWhatISee

4 ай бұрын

Especially not Dressrosa Gear4

Doffy turns the ground big mom is holding into string, manipulates it all away from her, she falls no ap necessary.

doffy couldve just enlarged the whole by turning the ground to strings