Do you use Cine EI? Or do you even shoot in S-Log3? #cineEI #sonyfx30 #sonyfx30cineEI

Point of cine EI mode is to control your light to stay in the base iso. So you need to ad light

@AllThingsFilm1

2 ай бұрын

True. But, it's pretty impressive that 12800 ISO is cleaner than 2500.

@harbinger26

13 сағат бұрын

@@AllThingsFilm1maybe because 12800 is a base iso but 2500 is not. Right?

Since 12800 is not a native iso on FX30, it should look just like 2500iso pushed to higher exposure in theory. I think the main factor here is noise reduction in camera, since the camera will use more aggresive noise reduction if you bump up the iso.

@JeffBourke

6 ай бұрын

Correct. 12800 has in body NR cranked which is NOT what you want. You should shoot in 2500 or base 800 and apply your NR in resolve sparingly. Increasing iSO is NOT increasing exposure.

Absolute great piece of work! thank you very much!

@NOlimitsON

7 ай бұрын

Thanks! I appreciate it! Stay tuned)

I noticed noise in general is just SUCH a weird issue to deal with in post and shooting in general. If I over expose 2 stops shooting my FX30 in RAW? Theres alot of times I'll punch in and notice I barely see any noise at all...and thats RAW.

I really don't understand the various "filmmakers" on you tube. Let's end it once and for all. Cine EI is designed to be used in controlled shooting conditions. Not to be used for vlog and similar everyday activities. If you don't have the whole team, gaffers, lights, flags, etc etc, using EI is pointless. It seems that many still do not understand how EI works and what it is used for

@shotbydatboi_jaywona

Ай бұрын

Not true bro if you use a light meter with Cine EI you can do any thing with it point blank it’s made for film making just as you said you can use it as a creative tool just like everything else. Stop discouraging up and coming filmmakers who are trying to express their art it’s not just used for that and with the things you named

I always aim for the base ISO’s (with ND filters…)- but I also find that pushing the ISO higher than 2500 stays very clean when needed (up to 6400) on the FX30… I think the camera does as good or better job of internal NR than you can do in post.

You answer my quest. Thanx.

Really appreciate your video and explanations, I'm very upset with the amount of noise I'm getting on the fx30, but, as you explained, the problem must be that I was stuck at 2500 trying to keep it and not Exposing tô the right... Thanks!!

@NOlimitsON

7 ай бұрын

Welcome) stay tuned!

Omg! Great content great video

@NOlimitsON

Жыл бұрын

Thank you) stay tuned mate!

@chaochewei6213

Жыл бұрын

So, the conclusion is that it doesn’t make sense to LOSE dynamic range when using flexible ISO , but it definitely lose some shadow detail, Right? I’ve always been staying tuned, but sometimes KZread didn’t notice me even though I have the notification on

This is the answer! Thanks buddy!

@NOlimitsON

8 ай бұрын

Welcome) stay tuned)

This makes me more comfortable buying an fx30!

@NOlimitsON

Жыл бұрын

I’m glad, mate) stay tuned 😎

@jaymills1720

Жыл бұрын

@@NOlimitsON 💪🏽 💕 🙏

Thanks for the video. This seems... really weird. Although second ISO's are (as far as I know) meant to provide a higher ISO with better dynamic range than the ISO values that immediately preceede it, they also generally provide less noise, too. Are the ISO values between 2500 and 12800 noisier than ISO 2500? Or are they cleaner than 2500?

@NOlimitsON

Жыл бұрын

To be honest, there is no such thing as noisier value of ISO, for example if you expose iso 16000 correctly (at +2 stops as I show in the video) and also at native iso 800 (but you underexpose 2 stops) - after grading 16000 will look cleaner. You can even test it yourself) so in general exposure is A LOT more important than certain iso values. Especially on the FX30. I’d prefer to keep the iso as low as possible, but if I know I have a risk of underexposing - I bump the iso and don’t worry

Very interesting I need to give a try. I often found myself in difficult situations where I can't bring more light, but wanna stick to base ISO (2500) to avoid noise. Results are most of the time a bit disappointing ... And this is most probably due to underexposed image. If I well summarize, you advise to pump the ISO, trust in camera NR, so that color grading will be less noiser than sticking to base ISO (supposed to provide less noise) but as it's underexposed, finally bring more noise ... !

@NOlimitsON

4 ай бұрын

Exactly mate)

I don't have much experience in shooting slog 3 but isn't that color profile even suitable for low light?

@NOlimitsON

11 ай бұрын

It is)) watch the videos I’ve attached in the description to learn more

What if situation is so dark that even with 12800 iso I underexpose with my fx30? Is it better to come closer for overexposing in slog or should I just stick with higher base iso (2500)?

@NOlimitsON

8 ай бұрын

It’s still better to try to use higher iso like 16000 or even 25000.

I just set it to Flexible ISO and expose properly for SLOG3 - usually +1.3 EV. The Cine EI workflow is a nightmare for mere mortals like me.

@NOlimitsON

10 ай бұрын

I suggest +1.7 - +2 E.V.

@Switchkyng

7 ай бұрын

@@NOlimitsON this

In case you can gain through apperture those 2.0 stops , would you stick to the Native highest (in my case 2500 in the FX30). I am still trying to understand the camera in low light situations.

@NOlimitsON

5 ай бұрын

Use aperture first, than raise the iso if there’s no other way to add light

@mortystation

5 ай бұрын

@@NOlimitsON 🙏. Here I am experimenting. Thanks for the reply.

@theproducersacademy2787

4 ай бұрын

Use lut calc to understand your camera sensor and exposure potential I’ve been using it and I am building a solid system around it to maximize my cameras full potential.

What about very dark scenes? I am shooting for a very dark an moody museum with only spotlights lighting up paintings and artworks. It basically impossible to see the customers without crazy noise levels. Im going crazy trying to fix it.

@NOlimitsON

3 ай бұрын

Same) use neat video afterwards to improve the image quality

someone please help lol... I just bought the fx30 & it won't let me use AUTOFOCUS on Movie Mode. Anytime I try it says "Invalid with this lens. if the lens has an af/mf switch perform it that way" which I don't have the option on the lens - it was designed to be done digitally so something seems wrong seeing as my autofocus works just fine when I switch to manual mode... even my autofocus starts to work temporarily when I switch back to movie mode but switches back to MF on its own after time or if I go into the menus.

@NOlimitsON

Жыл бұрын

What lens do you use?

Why do you think no one has pointed out how 12800 ISO is cleaner than 2500 on the FX30? It almost suggests that the FX30 has a 2nd base ISO of 12800 given that it's cleaner than 2500 in low light. Thank you for pointing this out. I'm going to shoot some more in 12800 with my FX30. It's a pretty big find.

@NOlimitsON

2 ай бұрын

Bro, you confuse fx3 and fx30. FX3 has native iso of 800 and 128000 in slog3, when the fx30 has 800 and 2500 in slog3. The thing is not in a certain iso value, it’s all about exposing brighter))

Great ad for fx3

@NOlimitsON

15 күн бұрын

😅😅

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Maybe better to have done this test in XAVC-I?

@NOlimitsON

9 ай бұрын

It doesn’t matter that much, I’ve made the tests for different codecs before

how will 4k60 look with the 12800 iso?

@NOlimitsON

2 ай бұрын

Same as 25p 😅

where is the other video?

@NOlimitsON

Жыл бұрын

kzread.info/dash/bejne/aJOJj6eJcdzVeps.html

Base iso is not about noise performance, it's about dynamic range. Maybe you will get cleaner shadows at 12800 iso, but you will lose a hell lot of dynamic range.

@NOlimitsON

7 ай бұрын

So, I showed you two images side by side (with native iso and with 12800 iso) - did you notice any difference in dynamic range? Maybe some crushed shadows or blown out highlights?) I do get it, but it’s not as dramatic as you may think

I dont really get what you're saying? As CineEI is always shooting at base ISO and using CineEI with the s709 LUT will trick you into overexposing your shots (Eg EI400, EI200) to get a better noise level once you bring it down in post. You don't make any sense when you say why not to use it? Cine EI is just shooting in Base ISO (proper thing to do), ETTR (proper thing to do), so why not CineEI?

@NOlimitsON

11 ай бұрын

Because in extreme lowlight 2500 base iso in cine ei isn’t enough. And you get better results shooting at 16000 iso for example (but ettr), than using cine ei at 2500 and underexposing. Got me?

@iJackBowie

11 ай бұрын

@@NOlimitsON I’ve owned FX6 and FX3 and in extreme lowlight, literally night time with just street lights illumination the correct thing to do is use the widest lens possible, I use the 24mm f1.4, and expose in EI3200 for flawless virtually noiseless blacks, EI3200 is still recording at the second base ISO of 12,800, but is two stops over exposed so has an effective ISO of 51200 with the noise level of a 12,800 base iso, but then in post you bring down the exposure by two stops and when you bring it down the shadows are hella clean

@Marco-zp7nb

10 ай бұрын

@@NOlimitsONthey didn‘t get you. Omg what he will tell us is not so complecated:-) if you film in extrem low light with 2500 Base ISO them you surely underexpoesed because of apsc. Then you get extrem noise.

i am a bit confused. is the 12,800 footage made with the FX30 or FX3?

@NOlimitsON

10 ай бұрын

FX30, everything is written on the screen

cineEI is perfect on fx3 12800 iso. fx30 sucks thats why i sold my fx30 after 6 months

I think you should reconsider the advice you’re giving in this video. You don’t even acknowledge the in body noise reduction at 12800 which you can’t turn off. Also, increasing ISO is not increasing exposure.

@NOlimitsON

6 ай бұрын

You saw the test results, I’ve been applying this technique for more than half a year and getting consistent results, so maybe you should reconsider your comment 😉

I keep shooting in HLG.

@NOlimitsON

Жыл бұрын

The worst profile in terms of colors to be honest… check Gerald Undone’s video about Sony picture profiles to learn more

@KrishnenduKes

Жыл бұрын

@@NOlimitsON I did. That's where he talked about no difference in dynamic range between S Log 3 and HLG3 didn't he?

@NOlimitsON

Жыл бұрын

@@KrishnenduKes nope)) The best DR is also in S-Log3

@KrishnenduKes

Жыл бұрын

@@NOlimitsON I get it. I just checked a newer release of his wherein he does talk of S Log 3 giving out better DR.

FX3 base ISO is 800 AND 12800. Forget about your 2500 setting on the FX3!

@NOlimitsON

11 ай бұрын

Of course) I wasn’t saying opposite in this video) the video is about FX30😉

@andreathode3782

11 ай бұрын

@@NOlimitsON but your title does … and Cine EI is perfect on the FX3

I FILM FOR CLUBS AND 100% AGREE WITH YOU, FX3 IS VERY BAD IN LOW-LIGHT PERFORMANCE