German engines used to be bullet proof but then the accounts got to work and plastic components found their way into the engines as well as the outside. BMW and Audi engines also need extreme caution when buying for the same reason.

@ChopsGarage

Жыл бұрын

Yes early 1.9 PD is a different story

@darrenwilson8042

Жыл бұрын

I agree - ,my point was that the original Beetle was billed in the States as how the man who drove the snowplough got to work. When looked after even though they were older tech they were good hence the production life. Early Golfs did rot like anything else at the time but as they progressed they were better than the competition same with BMW. Then yes flash forward they were subject to rationalisation ( VAG + SEAT + Skoda etc ) so parts were spread and if something was substandard in one make it was the same across them all. They lived on an earned reputation that they failed to maintain ( as in many ways did Mercedes ) - cars are cars and they all need maintaining or they break ( can't get that message thru to the Mrs sadly ) but some are better than others. Channels like James' really help steer buyers in the right direction. Just watched High Peak ( as ref'd to by James ) and he is driving an A3 Allroad - nice car but Jesus the number of potential faults and repair costs ........arrrggghhhhhh

@ardongrainford8004

Жыл бұрын

Had 2 golfs and one audi. All very well built and put together- but all cars nunerouscnunerous problems. Toyoyta i hqdcbefore no problem just bulb, andcgoodcbuildcquality. Butvmy experience of vag iscutterly utterkupy problematic. Thexadvert “ if only everything was as reliable as a vw was obviously wrong and utterly misleadibg.

@bigjml

Жыл бұрын

@@ChopsGarage Early TDi is the one you want, the PD was not a robust due to needing a very specific oil to prevent Cam west.

@gingernutpreacher

Жыл бұрын

Not hered any issues with the new 1 litre but the old 1.2 I had to have the valve guides repaired

Top Tips and shows why your business is doing so well because your open, honest, and why your continuing to be recommended! Keep up the fantastic work James.

As a Golf 6 victim, VW are not getting another penny out of me. I'd rather drive a Golf, but I'd rather own a Corolla.

@jonobaywindow

Жыл бұрын

Me too. I feel your pain: EGR valve failures, leaky waterpumps, DPF problems, sticking calipers, failed drop links. Unremitting unreliability. Even the Dieselgate compensation doesn't cover it.

Interesting you’re standing next to an R56 Mini which is renowned for timing chain issues. I had one and the cold start rattle began, had to change the chain at 70k miles even with a good history. Lack of oil changes and oil starvation in many cars ruins chains. Great advice and love that you point out chains aren’t always for life

@timhancock6626

Жыл бұрын

In the old days the chain on the Alfa Romeo Nord engine was good for 200,000 miles or more, but they were properly designed and very robust. These days chains are made deliberately weedy and have plastic chain guides that fall to bits due to heat ( in the old days they were alloy). I used to be a fan of chains, but not in modern cars in which engine parts are seemingly lifed to about 100,000 miles it seems, regardless of make.

@ln5747

Жыл бұрын

Had 3, 2 to 150k miles and 1 to 200kmiles. What are people doing to their cars!

Good advice James, I had the same problem with daughters car was 1.2 polo of same age. Killed the car was advised replacement engine required, sold for spares or repair in the end, was a shocking car also the bodywork was woeful as on a really hot summers day the roof would appear dented as on the initial new shoe polos they didn’t put enough roof struts in! Got her an 18 plate A1 now and seems a lot better car!

Love your transparency!!! Greetings from Sweden.

@ChopsGarage

Жыл бұрын

Thanks buddy!

Nice video it just shows you a chain is not always better than a belt,great info.

I've got a Fabia with the same engine, it's on 158K and I still don't have that noise (been listening out for it since I bought it new). I've always allowed the idle to settle on startup, even when warm, and the last mechanic who inspected the engine put it down to that and that I always use the correct oil for standard service intervals, it's much better for the tensioner than the longlife stuff that gets too thin as it ages. Have heard other engines making the rattle though, always scary when some people still think you have to give it some throttle on startup and it revs away!

@mrbigvanlife7130

Жыл бұрын

My neighbour had a fabia - he was a vw tech. Had it scrapped last year due to rot.

Great video, would love to hear you cover common issues you discover within your stock. Good work James 👍

@ChopsGarage

Жыл бұрын

Cheers Scott

the 1.4 TSI petrols in Golf etc. were/are absolutely notorious for eating timing chains, some failed as early as below 10k miles (I seem to remember reading an account of one needing to be replaced at 3 or 4k km(!)). My parents have one that started rattling around 90k km and the garage said they caught it in the nick of time. The car seems to burn money even though it's neither that old nor has that many km - I think it's around 140k now and has been through a timing chain job, new brakes all round (EXPENSIVE), new front and (not sure about that) rear wheel bearings and a spontaneous massive coolant leak, a radiator hose just popped off on the motorway. The battery's also been entirely flat a few times but that might have been the battery itself - it was seven years old if I remember correctly and the car hasn't acted up since we replaced the battery in spring. If they ever replace it, the next one will be a Japanese car though! They've had Mitsubishis from 1986 and always loved them! One lasted from 1988 to 2012 and was then sold for 1500 Euros.

South Africa - I have been a VW owner for many year and also owned several models. As a hobby I would buy and restore Mk1 Golf's. The Polo in the Video is currently available in SA as a cheaper option and is labeled as the Polo Vivo. Their engine sizes vary from 1.4 and 1.6 4 cylinder with normal aspirated engines, also included is the top of the Vivo range with a 3 cylinder 999cc turbo charged engine. The 1.4 and 1.6 are reliable engines en economical, spare parts and service parts are cheap. There are lots of Polo's on SA roads, the Polo Vivo is also the best selling car in SA for many years. I recently purchased a second hand 2013 VW Polo 1.4 with 153000km's on the clock. The engine is in good shape, the body as well, there is some noise from the front suspension and the air conditioner pump is also making it's presence know with a humming sound when switched it. Will have those problems fixed in a week or two and then take it for COR. Out of the many VW's I owned, the one that stood out from the crowd was my Mk1 Gti, 1800cc 4 cylinder pocket rocket. Keep up the good work.

@sharkfinn6469

2 ай бұрын

So this is our 1.2 TSI nonsense My 2013 1.6 auto only has 90000km I'm keeping that forever

@xyz-uz6me

2 ай бұрын

I don't know if you got around to fixing the suspension and aircon, if you let us know what the cause of the problems were, please

Thanks for the info. I was thinking of the polo 1.2 have had the 1.4 diesel before and that was great forearmed is forewarned. It seems so many of these 3 cyclinder engines are problematic and best avoided unless well maintained. Thanks again, Brian.

My car is 20years old and it's passed its mot with no adviorys honestly amazing Honda civic ❤️

James check the wiring on the fusion, the wires in the door hinge have a habit of breaking, I'd be surprised if both locks had failed at the same time!

Usually excessive wear on cam chains is through lack of oil changes. Even with a "fully stamped service book" it does not mean it's actually been serviced that many times. Heard too many horror stories of fully serviced cars, engines eating themselves only to find out that the service stamp from a couple months back was clearly a fake judging by the oil and oil filter condition. Lots of short journeys won't help either as the oil will get contaminated with moisture so would need changes more frequently unless driven longer distance now and again.

With regards to the Ford Fusion door locks. I recently had a 2008 ford fiesta with the same issue "passenger door open". I disconnected the battery, and left it for 24 hours, and connected back up. This seemed to sort the issue out.

I have a 2016 polo 1.8 gti tsi bmotion, daja 192hp, i can say that its had its issues with a waterpump leak, heater support pump failer & the valve cover seal . The first part to go was the heater blower fan resistor. Generally vw motors have always had vacum leaks but mine has been sweet in this area of the car . It cost me a reasonable amout of money to do the waterpump , heat sup pump & the vcover seal but i decided that i could do it myself & cut out the dealer labour costs which helped me out so i didnt mind paying out for oem parts from the dealers which were updated revised genuine parts . While the valve cover was coming off i decided that i would replace the hpfp gasket & O-ring + the cam bridge seals & cam cover seals which to me made sense to replace them for longer life , Luckily i havnt heard any cam chain slap but the car is at 89,000 now so im thinking about just doing a cam chain kit replacement in the near future for peace of mind + if i decide to sell her new owner has no troubles with that side of things. All in all apart from general wear & tear , services ,repairs & maintenance she is a good car , i do all the work myself i have the tools to do it aswell , With regular oil/ filter services the engine stays sound . Im gona look forward to doing the chain replacement when i get round to it .

With a fleet of small older cars for kids I make the following observations Polo 1.4 2008-2014 seems pretty solid engine, (timing belt though)got one with 130k on it, runs sweet enough and burns no oil. Corsa think oil changes are crucial got a 58 plate that’s never gone more than 7k on oil changes and chain is tight at 69k and sounds sweet (daughters friends same miles and age sounds dreadful) Yaris mk1 indestructible! 07 Fiesta 1.4 gave me a fright with oil consumption but think it was breather hose collapsing/PCV…. When the weather got very hot and a good run it just used to vanish but seems sorted (although used a drop)

I'm in the trade and a smaller car dealer and can agree with 1.2 VW Polo's which is why I don't touch them however the 1.4 Petrol's are superb and use a cambelt instead of chain so highly recommend the 1.4's!

@John-bt3fo

Жыл бұрын

Thanks for that.

@RB-jx1pd

8 ай бұрын

What is the problems with 1.2 tsi polo?

@x.kasiouris5503

5 ай бұрын

What about 1.0 tsi?

Most common in the 1.2 3cyl's is stretched chain/worn tensioner or misfires due to burned exhaust valves. They can also make tappet noise when standing for a while as they are hydraulic

@timalloybhoy

Жыл бұрын

Indeed, burnt valves a massive issue on the 3cyl engines, seemingly. I've stopped taking them in due to this.

@timhancock6626

Жыл бұрын

@@timalloybhoy That's interesting as we recently scrapped our rusty mk1 1.2 3 cyl fabia with 160,000 on it with no engine problems. We have two other MK2 fabia 2 1.2s both with 80,000 miles on, and one of them "might" have a problem as it takes two turns on the key to start. When we got it I found the plugs were not tight, so thought that was the problem, but not so. It seems to run ok, but the engine is deffo not as "nice" as the other one. They are my son and daughters cars and they love them. Maybe I need to check compressions 😕

@timalloybhoy

Жыл бұрын

@@timhancock6626 Yeah, seen them with that kinda mileage a few times. Sadly, I’ve had my fingers burnt too many times with the 3cyl engine

@alphaomega5721

Жыл бұрын

@@timalloybhoy Is this because the valves accumulate soot (assuming a direct injection engine here) and allow blow by?

You had me at Don't buy a Polo!!!!

James, in your video on the Polo chain at 4.00 mins and 7.30 mins in lots of views of your red MGB. It looks spectacular to me because a reflection of the unit appears to give it a central small hump that runs the length of the bonnet right down to the grill. In my opinion it makes the car look awesome. I think of I owned a "B" I'd have a bonnet crafted with that in it. Have a look, just a thought. Love the channel.

@brianiswrong

Жыл бұрын

4:00 7:30 hope that helps.

When I was delivery driver we used to alpt of pre 10 deliveries to V W .These normally small engines on Warrenity claims. The service said the engine alone was £5000 . The would have to matched to VIN meaning you could not recycled engines fron a Scrap Yard .I would deliver at least 1 a month.

Interestingly, here in NZ, the reputation of the VAG cars is "horrendously unreliable mechanically", thus dramatic depreciation. While everyone who wants reliable, buys Japanese or Korean. The VW range is considered by nobody to be bulletproof. Good heads up about the cam chain 🙂

@ChopsGarage

Жыл бұрын

Cheers, does seem to be a UK thing

@howardkerr8174

Жыл бұрын

In the U.S. " smart " car buyers DON'T buy German, no matter the brand, as they aren't all that reliable long term and parts/servicing is expensive.

@davidthomas9

Жыл бұрын

Same here in Australia. It's telling when the majority of the taxis on the road in Melbourne are Toyota Camrys or Klugers/Highlanders, with some Lexus's doing duty as Silver Service cabs. VW's reputation as a reliable brand here never really got over the issues with the early DSG's & various other quality issues.

@licksludgee

Жыл бұрын

Yeah they were known here as mechanically reliable for the longest time, the reputation hasn't caught up with the reality yet. BMWs especially can be unnecessary to service when changing bulbs etc

@stephenhollingsworth2530

Жыл бұрын

People buy German cars because they think they're better cars - what they really think, is that the badge has more "provenance".

Confucius once said " If you want to know which car is most reliable, just look at what local taxi drivers drive " 😉😂

I had from new till march this year an (03 plate) honda accord EX saloon that started to do exactly that,didnt get a chance to sort it some toe rag stole the cat,, thankyou James have a good weekend,,👍👍

@ChopsGarage

Жыл бұрын

Cheers Stevo!

South Africa here again. Currently driving a 2011 Polo sedan. 258000 kms on the clock. Engine has not been touched yet. 2 water pumps and an engine mount replacement is about the most major repairs done. Daily runner and very fuel efficient. Also own a vivo 1.6 tiptronic. A little heavier on the fuel . Keep them regularly serviced and they do carry on forever.

Good video mate, that crap 1.2 engine has been used since about 2002 in many cars, seats, vws etc, my mate bought one at auction, jumping in, as it drove off the block you could hear how noisy it was, he did the chain but didn't see the cam had worn out, it was amazingly noisy. I bought it off him cheap, put thick oil in it and flipped it cheap, told the customer the engine was noisy, they said it was quieter than theirs, joke was their car had a blowing exhaust, but a decent engine (!)

Have had one of these from new, 12 years ago was assured by the VW dealer that the timing chains were good for 100k! Not a chance, had to have mine replaced at 55k, because as you say it stretched, warning lights came up on the dash and it wouldn't run properly!

nylon idlers its common in a few other similar engines. seems to happen if cars aren't used daily.

James the fusion check the passenger door harness that goes into the big rubber grommet on the side of the passenger door . Had the same happen on my Mondeo both doors not locking. Unplugged it from the grommit and put it back in and problem solved

Hi James great channel, love what you do. Question on the polo, is the wing and bonnet out of alignment across the top of the headlight or am I being OCD 🤪 just looks from the angle you filmed to not quite align.

Had a similar problem with a Corsa three cylinder , chain slap on start up . They were subject to a recall but mine was never done .

I bought a brand new Passat 2001 and got told from the first day to keep an eye on the oil as it uses quite a bit and you know what it did none the less it was a great car I had two more after that all the same and all brilliant car's.

The 3 cylinder 1.2 engines as far back as the 9N and 9N3 Polo from about 2002 -2009 are a bag of shite always cracking cylinder heads. An engine rebuilder beside me had literally dozens of them in. One poor girl had hers leaking oil onto the manifold and it went on fire, luckily she got out and the fire extinguished but she got rid quickly.

Once again James top information one top guy.

Very good advice 👍

Yep had this issue with a Merc CLC coupe full service

Spot on. We’ve imported some of these with 30k and rattle when running, not just on start up. If it’s been sitting for a week or so and you got a rattle I’d say nothing to be concerned about. Shouldn’t do it every day though

@ChopsGarage

Жыл бұрын

I think I will try over shorter period and see as you say,

@dipeshpankhania

Жыл бұрын

@@ChopsGarage sent you a bit more info on Instagram 👍🏼

@reeced5521

Жыл бұрын

Apparently a rattle on startup is a fairly common thing with chain driven engines. A slight rattle for 1-2 seconds is usually considered fine. If it lasts longer than that, or happens during normal running then you have an issue that needs looking at immediately.

@dipeshpankhania

Жыл бұрын

@@reeced5521 it is, as James said in the video it’s the tensioner draining so needs to be pressurised again. If it’s doing it every day there is an issue. If it’s doing it after being stood a week or so, it’s quite normal for it to rattle for a few seconds on start up.

Great information cheers. 👍👍👍👍👍👍

Been a long time since VW's were bullet proof unfortunately. My sister had a bread van Polo as her first car and that was pretty bullet proof but that's a long time ago!

Until now, I'd always believed that chain drive was superior to a cam belt, so good that you have set the record straight.

@DaleSteel

Жыл бұрын

chain is better

@ChopsGarage

Жыл бұрын

It can be , old chain cars, like my mgb have no issues. But the chains are twice as thick

@DaleSteel

Жыл бұрын

@@ChopsGarage newer stuff you find the hydraulics and driven by oil pressure. Low oil pressure means they slacken and go sloppy

Really enjoy your channel and your honesty. Wouldn't touch a VW or any of the nasty French makes either. Japanese or South Korean is all I would consider, currently running a Honda Jazz.

@ChopsGarage

Жыл бұрын

Id agree here buddy

@user-te1le7ck6b

Жыл бұрын

Agree 100% bought an aygo as a cheap run around , yes it’s not great but will outlast any vw for the money

@danmoney9932

Жыл бұрын

Its hard to win. German cars the engine dies before the body, Jap the body dies before the engine!

VW chains are notorious. Honest John was always going on about these as VW change manufacturer who used a cheaper chain stamping production method.

People go back to 90s polo's that were reliable, which is a bit strange as buyers are usually a lot younger, had one at 48k,chain stretched, tentioners popped out, bent valves, ect, bought it cheap, fixed it.

All cars have issues these days. Emissions and extended service intervals seem to have ruined reliability. As a rule of thumb regular oil changes are your best chance of reducing issues, especially on turbo’ed cars. Timing chains equal thousands in repairs, belts much less, preventative maintenance these days is all you can hope will minimise risk. New or old…

chops, there was only issues with the earlier 1.2 engines of earlier polos. they have now replaced these engines and now fit belts to them. as the chains were poor quality and cracked. these were the 3 cylinder engines.. but the 1.2 tsi engines are now 4 cylinder, and much stronger with a turbo. anyone wanting a polo, go for the tsi. with over 50mpg. you have speed with economy. i love mine and intend to keep it for years to come. just service them and look after them. they are good cars. 😊

@margo.3466

6 ай бұрын

Thanks.

Great bit of advice there James buyer beware! The VAG reliability thing goes way back probably to the 70/80's when they were better engineered than rivals but that has long since changed and think many other car makers offer better products at better value for money. Still a lot of people still willing to pay a premium for VW!

I have a 2010 Polo 1.2 which I bought on 55k miles for £80 with engine management light on. The owner had the codes pulled and was told it was pretty much scrap value because of timing chain failure. He let me have it for less than scrap because I said I was putting it back on the road. It had a new chain and tensioner for about £600 and it's now on 90k miles 2 years later and I've had no more problems with it. It's been a cracking car to own and drive. But do I sell it now, whilst it's faultless!? 😀 ETA: I do oil and filter every 6 months/6k miles. I had read that the ridiculous longlife service intervals were a big part of the problem. Long service intervals are a good sell when new, and the cars are largely out of warranty when it becomes an issue.

I have a Corsa d, I know about the timing chain, most of the time is not oil change change ect, I change my oil every 7k miles, I know it's over the top but was told by a ex Vauxhall mechanic to do it, has the polo got the same chain as the Skoda fabia

Older cars had shorter duplex chains, so no trouble, but valve train lightness equates to better performance and economy, but unfortunately they don't last 5 mins.

I think VW are relying on the earlier car’s reputation. I had a 1984 A reg Polo Breadvan and it really was bulletproof.

Got a 2011 polo with this engine as a 1st car and it’s been making this noise for the year I’ve had it (only when cold). Just realised recently it must be the timing chain, but was unsure whether it needed doing.

@tardeliesmagic

Жыл бұрын

Toyota can do at least 100,000m with no issue at all! 200,000m even,with no other issues ie tensioner/guides etc. Some gone to 300,000m.

Always used to chuckle at VW’s tagline on their adverts “if only everything was as reliable as a Volkswagen”. If only that were true….

@trevorphillips3055

Жыл бұрын

We wouldn't want everything in life to be as realiable as a Volkswagen.

@kevincross9206

Жыл бұрын

@@trevorphillips3055 just as well really!!!

problem with car makers is they push the limits with service intervals, these days some cars can do fifty thousand miles and only have one oil change, this IMO is what wrecks the timing chains, do a oil service every 8 to 10 thousand miles or every year and these timing chains will go on to a very high mileage, sadly these service intervals suits the fleet buyers

@ChopsGarage

Жыл бұрын

Yes all about getting fleet managers onside

@roystonvehicles9129

Жыл бұрын

@@ChopsGarage not many polo's fleet mate, there just weak those 1.2,s.

@brucefraser4778

Жыл бұрын

@@roystonvehicles9129 most councils in the uk use very small cars for their mobile workers, carers etc

@roystonvehicles9129

Жыл бұрын

@@brucefraser4778 yes bud

I have one for my daily runner, had it for 7 years now. It's been perfect, the best little car I have had. 109k miles

James, do not forget that there are 2 versions of this engine - 6 valve 60BHP and 12 valve 70BHP. As the grey car is an S model I assume it will be the 6 valve.

@piotrwisniewski8027

8 ай бұрын

CGPB, CGPA, CGPC are 12V and best. All issue was sorted. This engine easly run up to 500000km if you change oil and filter every 5-6 kkm. If you listen dealer an his 30kkm you will kill your engine in 3 years. My not consume oil at all.

2 observations: Chevy Sparks are almost universally panned as penalty boxes in the U.S. tho I would guess one with a manual transmission would be tolerable. I own a 2013 Fusion/Mondeo and Ford parts nowadays are extremely expensive.

@ChopsGarage

Жыл бұрын

Yes can't imagine one with an auto box must be terrible

@deuce9769

Жыл бұрын

​@@ChopsGarage Hope you get the deal finalized on the Spark, and that it remains without issues. I've had a few of these coming in on a tow due to a crank-no-start condition. Seems to be an issue with these where they're supposed to be sending constant power towards a certain fuse in the box from the ECU, but it stops sending that power which results in a crank no start as well as the inability to slap an OBD reader on it. I've never managed to find the real reason for the failure, they magically start working again if you poke/tinker with the ECU and the connectors long enough. ( And then it never happens again! )

They are really good cars, just don't get the 1,2 NA three cyilinder. Especially the diesels are exceptionally good. Also replace the belts and the chain on the 1,2 tsis (well, on all chain driven tsis). And some of the 7 speed dryclutch DSGs also can give you headaches, but even their problems can be solved at reasonable price nowadays... They are not for those who cannot even refuel their cars themselves, they need to be taken care of. (To be honest most modern cars needs this more than previous generations for several reasons I won't get into now - all of them became more sensitive to the lack of proper service schedule).

With that engine, never turn it backwards on the crank pulley and spin the engine over with the coilpacks disconnected until the oil pressure comes up after an oil change.

Hi James,so is the the same for the red polo you have aswell or being a diesel is it different?gotta say having watched high peaks and you there is no comparison and I never watched them again after 1 video yet I've been watching you since you were at the alpha place,I told you you'd sell the spark in a day after listing,have a great Saturday 🤙👌👍

@ChopsGarage

Жыл бұрын

Cambelt on the diesels buddy. Many thanks

I bought an Astra J 1.6 CDTI at 69,000 miles and within a 12 mths the chain was rattling like a good un all the time. I was disappointed because I thought a timing chain ought to last longer than a belt..but not in this case. Had to get it done at a local garage - for £1250. Won't be buying another Vauxhall..

So it's open the bonnet place hand on cylinder head to ensure you are starting a cold engine if looking at buying a Polo

@ChopsGarage

Жыл бұрын

Yep

I had a Mk 5 Golf with the exact same problem... I couldn't wait to get rid, problem after problem & would never buy one again.

Very interesting, it just goes to show that starting and revving immediately is never good. Every car I have I start and let the engine stabilize for a few seconds before doing anything.

1.4tsi is the same. Brought a Seat Leon last year, couple of months later I noticed the dreaded rattle noise. Cost me well over a grand to fix.

@licksludgee

Жыл бұрын

Looked an Octavia with the same 1.4 TSI, drove well but she rattled like mad and I walked away

@josephberrie9550

3 ай бұрын

hahahah brought a car.......is that the same as bought a car

@gsyshsjsj

3 ай бұрын

​@@josephberrie9550loser

The 1980s/90s Honda VFR 750 motorcycle engine (V4) had gear driven camshafts. Good for 200k miles. Amazing engineering. The engines whined quietly as a function of the gear driven camshafts. In this regard one of the greatest engines, available to the common man, ever made. Ducati Vtwins used belts.

@johnnie5wreckingyard

Жыл бұрын

Real ducatis used bevel gears , new ones have gone to timing chains

@trevorphillips3055

Жыл бұрын

I have a 1997 VFR750 and agree they have great engines that are over engineered. However Honda's first v4's (the VF range) used cam chains and they had lots of problems with chains and tensioners. This led them to scrap chains and replace them with gears.

@johnnie5wreckingyard

Жыл бұрын

@@trevorphillips3055 dont forget about the chocolate camshafts

@timhancock6626

Жыл бұрын

Ducati used desmodromic valve technology decades before Honda got there.

@greyhorse1211

Жыл бұрын

Sure, I wasn’t knocking Ducati for a moment. I just brought up the VFR point due to the hand wringing on this chat re car engines with belt and chain drives to camshafts.. The early VFRs were a bit special.

Great video. It's not as bad as most people think. Just price the repair in and get it done. All the garages know this and how to fix it. It's not that expensive.

@ChopsGarage

2 ай бұрын

Cheers

Strange that 2 central lockings have failed, probably best to check it out first.

Might be useful to list what other VW/Seat/Skoda models have this engine. What is it with VAG and timing chains - Honest John always used to slate them when their chain supplier had problems with worn tooling (which they would not fund the repair of) causing faulty chains to be supplied which stretched/broke. High Peak - entertaining but his maths on car profits seems a lot "simpler" than yours!

We have a Polo with that engine. Does rattle for a second or two when cold on start-up. At least it is giving me warning it will need changing, as opposed to a cam belt which just snaps without warning!

@Mr330d

Жыл бұрын

How often do belts just randomly snap? 😂

@andru9102

Жыл бұрын

@@Mr330d fair point. Strips teeth, then bends things😂

@roystonvehicles9129

Жыл бұрын

Belts hardly go now, it's usually a tentioner or water pump causing trouble.

timing chain rattle a semi permanent thing on the old BMC A Series engine

The VW group out sourced the manufacture of the timing chains on many engines, but the chains supplied were poor quality. I changed mine on a 2014 Fabia (at 100km) and the old chain had stretched over 1 cm! Beware.

The 1.2 TSI Polo's can jump the chain by simply doing an oil change..... Apparently the tensioner empties itself of oil when draining the oil so when you restart theres no tension until the tensioner fills itself again but by then its too late. Doing the oil change with the engine stone cold is recommended as the oil supposedly stays in the tensioner....even the main dealers are having problems with them.

Do some of the hyundai i20's/i30's also suffer from timing chain issues or are they cambelt as I am not sure,anyway due to this I decided to buy a different car instead, was I right or badly advised. Btw I brought a 1.5 dci Renault vehicle and no problems last 4 years +. Thanks James

@deuce9769

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Yes and no! All engine versions (6 of them yo!), except for the 2.0 petrol and diesel are chain driven. The 2.0's are older engines, from the Hyundai/Kia Sportage/Santa-Fe models, and those feature belts.

I suppose worth mentioning that Fabia 1.2, VW Fox and Ibiza 1.2 share that engine.

Not quite sure what im listening for. Recently brought a 2015 polo 1.2 TSI. Full service history and dealership claimed timing belt was very recently replaced. Service history seens to reflect that but now im hearing its not a belt in a polo but a chain. When i start my engine seems to rumble slightly more then settles down into a quiet drone... but this happens nearly every time. Regardless i will not be hitting the gas upon start up.

Don't know if you've tried wbac as a valuation tool bud, but I've noticed recently their prices are megga low, now, 1600 for our 16 plate xe jag, 2400 for 62 plate polo, obviously they'll chip you when you turn up, getting ready for a downturn?

How about Golf 1.4 TSI? Any better than polo?

The diesel polo needs chain replaced also after 100k due to loosing oil pump drive

My wife has an Audi A1 1.2 TFSI that had that same problem, only it could happen at any time on start up, warm or cold. We had the timing chain changed at great expense at 80K (£675 at independent VW specialist as main dealer wanted around £1200). The car is now on 95K and again it rattles sometimes on start up. We are replacing the oil at 9K intervals as suggested by the VW specialist but it hasn't prevented the problem reoccurring. They had a 1.2 TSI polo in at the same time as ours where the chain had actually slipped, destroying the engine and that had only done 40K. When you scour the internet you here of a lot of timing chain engines with this issue - a case of buyer beware - I wont be buying a car with a timing chain again.

@ChopsGarage

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Thanks for sharing, backs up exactly what I'm saying

@reeced5521

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The thing is, 9k oil change intervals is still quite a long time, especially if those are 9k around town miles or over multiple years. I always aim for 5k intervals as I've read various oil test results where they found that oil after about 6k was overdue a change.

@licksludgee

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I had an Evo X that missed an oil change one year, I resumed normal servicing (and those cars need them often) it didn't skip a beat - they're not all bad, it's all about the manufacturer or application. Unfortunately it's the more common cars that put us off

@davidlang3625

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@@reeced5521 i would agree that if it was over multiple years around town but the car is regularly used in on the motorway and 9k equates to about 1 year. I think its poor design or substandard component supply at fault

Rode past High Peak Romiley today.

Good show

@ChopsGarage

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Glad you enjoyed it

What engine is there in this polo?

And then you get cars with chains like our 1.2 Suzuki Splash that has 100k on the clock, no start up noise, not even a chain running noise like Vauxhalls (signature even faint chain rattle they all seem to have). When idling the K12B engine almost can't be heard and I still find myself checking the rev counter to see if it is. Little or no oil consumption between services...now if only the gearbox wasn't made of brandy snaps...!

I brought a 1998 1.4 L 6N 3 door polo, electric windows,mirrors. 70K on the clock for £300 (private seller well serviced) 5 years ago no rust body work mint for age. Starts on the button ,reliable solid drive, I did have the cam belt changed last year as a matter of service just to be sure, only usual wear and tear things like brake pads and tyres needed in that time. Passes MOT with no advisaries every year so far. dosent burn oil I have kept it because a couple of mechanics tell me engine is solid for that series easy to service as not full of electronics. Best value second hand car i have brought in my 40 years of car ownership along with a peugeot 406 2L deisel a few years back. ( have had new cars and newer cars). will look after it as i am not a high anual milage driver these days makes for a decent rounabout and occasional lomger trips for week ends etc. Guess i chose well when i was seeking a cheap car .

@roystonvehicles9129

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90s cars are good mate, we never used to have all the issues you have now, not even a mil light to spoil your day back then.

@jonobaywindow

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My son bought a Polo 1.4 W Reg in 2014 for £375 to drive around Europe. After that couple of 000 miles, he gave it to his mum to use as a runaround for a few months, until scrap. But 2022, it is still going with 130+k on clock and the 4 cylinder engine is great.

@roystonvehicles9129

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@@jonobaywindow yes bud vw, s were good back in the day

That's just the oil depressurising from the tensioner. Replace the tensioner, easy job on these!

Bad for burning oil as well, but jimbo knows that, ha, ha.

Hello, I have a 2011 polo 6R I purchased it in May this year. When I purchased the car (from a dealership) it had 75k on the clock. I noticed this exact noise about a week or two after I purchased and thought it was just down to cold starts. It now has 81k on clock and still makes this sound, do you recommend getting a new timing chain immediately or just to get it looked at? Cheers

@roystonvehicles9129

Жыл бұрын

Unfortunately bud, you need to get the chain done before it jumps, sorry.

Similar story with both Skoda Fabia's with the 1.2 TSI engines in our family, both with full history and less than 50k miles. Absolutely rubbish. We had no issues with the previous older Favorit/Felicia's that came before them! It was also very difficult to get the Skoda main dealers to actually acknowledge the issue - not helped by the fact the noise only occurs on the initial cold start briefly. Disappointing when there are technical bulletins released internally and upgraded timing chain kits.

5:25: Timing chain noise Vs 5:10: No noise.

There's an opportunity for an after-market company to make parts for VWs to sort out the problems VW bean-counters introduced.

another issue I've had with the 1.2 polo's is a miss fire which turns out to be worn vavle guides

@SimonJones-jy8ly

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My polo, golf and Passat all had misfires, in all cases it was expensive coil packs.

I have a 2016 1.2 Petrol and I blieve its a belt rather than a chain...

i've got a polo tsi. 1.2 and only 18,000 on the clock. now and again if i have left it on the drive for over a week. there is a 'dry rattle'. i always put it down to just the oil hasn't reached the engine on first start up. a few seconds after that it is as quiet as a mouse. never had any problems with mine. i have owned it for 3 years now. it's only 5 years old.

@bimble7240

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If these have hydraulic tappits then it is more likely to be that IMO.

@bs7157

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@@bimble7240 yes it does. and is belt driven. love mine.

James corsa is same timing chain problem's 👍

Hi James, what was the seat cleaner you said was great...Bissel?

@ChopsGarage

Жыл бұрын

Thats it

@robster8444

Жыл бұрын

@@ChopsGarage Bissel what model?

@davercs

Жыл бұрын

Hi i use the bissell spot cleaner Pro for cleaning all car seats and carpets I'm 90% sure James also uses that one they are on a sale in argos at the moment

@robster8444

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@@davercs Thank you.

I've got one to do on Monday, nice thing to look forward to 🙄 It's jumped a tooth or two, it barely idles, code stored for cam/crank correlation. Full service history and only 50k miles or so. 63 plate I think. Shocking

@ChopsGarage

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Do you think you will need to do valves etc?

@sammytheseal2307

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@@ChopsGarage No don't think so, no smoke. It's mainly the 6v that suffers from burnt valves The 12v does also suffer but not as much

I wouldn't touch a Polo with a barge pole anyway. Overpriced and over rated. I'll stick with my far Eastern cars thank you very much. (Honda, Toyota, Kia, Hyundai, Suzuki, Mitsubishi, Mazda, Nissan). Love this channel, it's just so watchable and I've learnt a fair bit about the motor trade from it.

i do all my own cambelts basically because i dont trust garages to do a correct job,not reaaly a hard job once you know what you are doing,i can do a mk5 transit in around 2 hours but i garage would charge me a day rate

@ChopsGarage

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Big savings if you can learn stuff yourself