F in the chat for those beautiful handpainted maps

@coldmossonarock7743

5 ай бұрын

I think that could easily be solved by adding symbols next to the fort/army/flag indicator to tell at a glance what terrain it is.

@LucidTactics

5 ай бұрын

Yeah this could be done ingame by illwinter; or could be done by mapmakers reasonably quickly (compared to actually redrawing the map). Good idea @@coldmossonarock7743

@ClubbingSealCub

5 ай бұрын

well at least it makes porting the maps easy!

@coldmossonarock7743

5 ай бұрын

​​@@LucidTacticsOnly drawback i can think of is that it would be pretty underwhelming to sink an entire damn province and have only a simple icon on the map to show for it. But maybe it could be reasoned as you being just a commander looking at a now dated old map. Maybe mapmakers could even play with that concept adding a desk with cartography instruments in the background.

@LucidTactics

5 ай бұрын

True@@coldmossonarock7743

A conversion of a conquest of elysium map with all the different planes for some single player or coop shenanigans would definitely be fun.

Using Illwinter graphics for provinces that have been changed by terraforming seems like an ok solution for old maps, and it will have the advantage that it is easy to see that a province have been terraformed.

I love that Illwinter is adding more options and tools for people to get creative with how they use the system. As someone who has messed with making Dom 5 maps in the past, I'd love to port some old hand drawn maps or create some new ones. The addition of planes makes me super excited for the possibilities. I see many of the land province layers (like all wasteland) still have lakes as lakes. Do you happen to know if lakes will always be lakes on these maps?

@SirDarthDragon

5 ай бұрын

Biologically speaking, open oceans can become deserts - usually if there is neiter rivers nor oceancurrents feeding material into the open sea

@madmayson

5 ай бұрын

there is one-way ness about it. i guess wastelands can never be converted to anything else

@tampaints

5 ай бұрын

@@madmayson Seems to be that way. I have yet to see a spell that can terraform a lake province but it might exist. I haven't been able to find a comprehensive spell list yet since the wiki hasn't caught up to the new release yet.

19:00 yea, it's called Planar Australia and you can see it in Risk games. I think one of the things you can do to mitigate the risk is by never putting Thrones in their own plane and always keeping thrones on the base map layer. Maybe an underground strength 1 throne or two to balance out thrones in water provinces. It may also be a good idea to never have thrones near planar connections to avoid people just holding Siam from their planar australia. A thought, if you can use magic to turn on or off connections to planes you could stock planes with an AI producing tons and tons of demons or undead or something which then emerge after a plane is opened this could create a risk vs reward or alternate source of attack as those "AI Owned" provinces which were your neighbors 2 turns ago could be fair game. Edit: Another thought, if you can isolate Globals per plane that could allow you to do things like hold a plane and cast Illwinter on it and avoid a Vaettiheim situation.

I'm hoping the new map options will encourage more liberal, tolerant and adventurous MP gamers to start using the Illwinter maps again instead of MapNuke. I do love MapNuke for what it does, obviously essential for tournaments etc, but I prefer games on less balanced maps, it adds an extra element to diplo IMO. Definitely better for gaming groups than playing with randoms though.

It's been two decades since I played it, but I'm pretty sure Dominions: Priest, Prophets and Pretenders had changing map visuals already. The change to the present map system with Dominions 2 was a downgrade on that account (although, make no mistake, as a whole it was a huge huge upgrade).

For the Warhammer stuff, it would be neat to have ways to inflict insanity on troops and commanders maybe based on an end of turn MR check for stuff like the chaos realms to make them truly cancerous (excepting demons maybe). In other words it wouldn't work too differently from the old age mechanic setting off afflictions at the end of the year.

Would be great if you can flag different layers as "new plane" so they can have different pool of globals.

@LucidTactics

5 ай бұрын

Yeah i like this idea a lot.

@EgorIvlev

5 ай бұрын

​@@LucidTacticsif this would be possible, it can make really great strategy layer of specific globals. Like underground globals, underwater globals (yes, I think underwater should be on its own layer now), ect. Or some globals that messing up another plane, like you need to go on the land, to stop the acid waters casting from land nations

@Cruxador

5 ай бұрын

@@EgorIvlev In custom maps, there's no reason why you couldn't make underwater be its own plane. However, I think that would be worse than the current implementation as it wouldn't support sailing (unless you're proposing a whole suite of new mechanics just for that) and it also wouldn't go well with the new mechanic of sinking provinces beneath the waves by terraforming them to sea.

@EgorIvlev

5 ай бұрын

@@Cruxador yes, I forgot about sailing. And you can terraform land into sea? I never thought about it.

@Cruxador

5 ай бұрын

@@EgorIvlev Yes, there's at least one spell which does that, expensive and level 9 but it's there. Kills half the population and units flee to adjacent land provinces

I'm sure you figured it out since but I believe frighten only lowers morale but doesn't cause fear checks, like the old blood rain giving -4, but it interacts with the magic morale bonus thing now. And fear causes morale checks and lowers the morale bonus.

The first map looks like a swan!

@LucidTactics

5 ай бұрын

Its because Loggy made it!

Just having the underground layer makes Agartha more viable, which is always appreciated.

19:20 It would probably work like in conquest of elysium, if you only have a presence in planes, you just lose.

As far as mod stuff goes, I cannot WAIT for dominions 6 nationgen. The mount system is gonna have some goofy shit done to it and I am so here for it.

I am looking forward to the latus map being made in dom 6

I would love an "exploration of the planes" mechanic. Where you travel to the planes but don't earn provinces that give you income/gems, by exploring the planes and defeating powerful indies, you get other kinds of perks (items, one time gold/gems, buff to bless, powerful units/mages, etc.) That would be an interesting question, do you risk your units exploring the indie challenges or do you use them to fight your opponents.

I love the two geese right in the center of the map in the beginning of the video.

Wow I do like those MapNuke graphics for the underground

Do forts draw resources through plane connections?

The caves make me want to play on a 13 hells themed map

@LucidTactics One thing you can do for the Atlas is keep it as is, but add an icon for each province in the other folder. So if a plains turned into a forest, it would visually look the same but a little tree icon would pop up so you can tell it's different. That would make bringing it over to dom6 much easier while still allowing terraforming to be visible - you only have to make like 5 or so icons and copy paste them over the tiles instead of redrawing the whole thing~

1:13 This is fine! as an artist I can draw all of them.

i am so excited for the 1v1 possibilities with the lobby!

Don't know if it was mentioned, but prevously caves were.DARK. So any units without dark vision were blind in combat. Argatha had cave units with dark vision and had a huge advantage in caves. So will caves all have the"dark" tag attached? That is ahige difference between what lucid said " the cave plains is no different than regular plains"

When you have a chance I'd love to see a video that talks about any changes to Ind and the new Late Age factions that sprung from its downfall!

29:00 ahh I see, so the maps are made in a set outline then it fills in that outline differently when you play it for each seperate game. So plains/forests and so on are unique to each game, that's cool. I really like the blueprint for the landmass actually. I can't be dealing with 3rd party tools and stuff but I'm a fan of just generating random stuff and picking which ones seem the best sometimes, like windowshopping. So being able to actually draw in some of the oceans as I want is helpful. Would be happy to see that built up some more over time. Something I'd like to see, I don't know if it's been added or whatever is a way to add some custom names to the province names for the map generation as well. It just adds a bit more uniqueness to the game.

I mostly prefer standard maps for MP. The game does not need to be totally balanced with its maps I think. The balance is in the players anyway. And the fog of war will be great for MP!

@battlemode

5 ай бұрын

Completely agree, although I think MapNuke-level balance is probably necessary for tournaments at least.

@PatrikStandar

5 ай бұрын

@@battlemode for high level tournaments I agree totally

"set up shop in the realm of death and you can never get them out of the game, stream out of there and conquer the world" Now see, i think its totally possible to still do this! Later on in the video you start talking about how for example, the Plane of Death would always have Rigor Mortis up? I think it could be just as viable to have a rule of planar travel for EVERYONE. Example, one player gets into Plane of Death and they're the only ones there, they summon up a massive army from no competition and try to conquer the mortal plane, but all of their units and leaders have their HP reduced. They inherently come from the Plane of Death, so they need MORE set up to actually conquer any other Plane. The counter play for the Death Lord is to set up Death Scale across the plane they want to invade, from cultists. That in of itself gives every other player information on what they're up against. If an Ulm player starts noticing a large number of death cultists and Death Scale increasing for seemingly "no reason", then they know for sure that another player is actually cheesing the Death Plane. And now you have an entire network of counters for each player while having entirely thematic and canon approaches to the different tribes.

Man the caves are fucking sick i gotta say, but damn it will be an issue digging like Agartha from the underground where they get the supercharged earthquakes

One possibility to balance the planes is to make it so they don't generate any gold - you go there to get gems and if you want to stay you have to be really good at alchemy or have very powerful summons. I just think the possibility of fighting over the pits of hell just too good to ignore.

really hope planet map gets updated with the multiple plane feature

Sounds like we need each plane to have a separate Global Enchantment list.

It would be interesting if each plane had its own set of globals slots. And you could target other planes with your globals to mess with them... Hit the under ground realm of death with purgatory...

I think you're overestimating how difficult it is to support different terrains in hand-drawn maps. It would be a lot of work to make it look totally clean and bespoke in every case, but it's not hard to do a hand-drawn basemap and have terrain-relevant features on a different layer, and then for the terrain-shifted versions you can just take the terrain-free version of the maps and slap down terrain-specific stuff en masse, which can even be copy-pasted or a custom brush or whatever. It doesn't have to be the vanilla assets, since they could clash. The only part that gets iffy is coastlines. Planes seem like something that could have a lot of cool custom stuff. Is there a support for a custom, potentially multi-province nexus? Loads of cool ideas coming to mind for me. Can you flag provinces for all scales or just hot and cold? I feel like globals being per-plane and having a command to have some native (or, rather, indie-controlled) globals would definitely be a cool way to make different planes distinct without needing too much by way of new mechanic structures. Globals that originate from a specific indie province and can be removed would also be cool.

Can wastelands be terraformed back to life through growth? This seems like it would be a great counter to everyone hating to play death nations...

@LucidTactics

5 ай бұрын

Nope, once its waste, forever waste i think.

@TanakaRisingSun

5 ай бұрын

@@LucidTactics that's a shame would be a great counter instead of needing mods!

that lake looks like a duck

Not all the thing's perfectly ready at release? Have you seen a Befester game Lusid? Ilwinter is way better than that.